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so I panic. so what? So if I am getting poisoned so what? this is what people want. you were warned. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – wait a second, is this an anxiety panic group. I am one of the few people who seems to really panic. If you ask me panicking  because of a bridge is not worthy of being on here day or night or giving advice when your not even telling anyone why your anxious. Thats just my opinion and thats 99 percent of what is wrong in world. We just don’t deal with reality. We are mean spirited and we are negative and our society is poisoning some so top percent get huge profits. and we do things to control the damage to control the outcome for individuals advantage. What people don’t know is what our news is about. not comparing with reality. Our news makes us think what is important not the facts of the world or REALITY. If you don’t like the fact that alternative energy stocks should keep going up or more shows about global warming or reality of diseases then do what a good percent have done and thats put me on ignore. Ignore the obvious. Having said all that I am happy…. I deal with reality. I don’t act out , I have love in my life and I deal with real issues… I’m fortunate to live in fucking New Orleans???? You have way too much time on your hands Steve. ok I am being poisoned and I was paid to help garner real anxiety links We have  govt where one in four kids in some NJ communities need asthma meds. and what does news and govt do? Ignores it. I ultimately am also affected but I can describe how and why and see how govt allows polluters free will to poison our area of the country. As soon as pollution levels increase , like clockwork my breathing is hard. You try to accept that where you live . Then you know why you are fortunate that you just have anxiety huh??? by US govt. imagine a govt poisoning its own citizens. Geoge Bush is a murderer

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HELP

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – by US govt. imagine a govt poisoning its own citizens. Geoge Bush is a murderer oh, shaddup ! yer just unwittin’ly eatin’ crow. WHOSE FAULT’S THAT? ~tanya

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by US govt. imagine a govt poisoning its own citizens. Geoge Bush is a murderer

You should stop watching "X-Files" reruns… R.

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other countries or companies lol – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – by US govt. imagine a govt poisoning its own citizens. Geoge Bush is a murderer

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 wait a second, is this an anxiety panic group. I am one of the few people who seems to really panic. If you ask me panicking  because of a bridge is not worthy of being on here day or night or giving advice when your not even telling anyone why your anxious. Thats just my opinion and thats 99 percent of what is wrong in world. We just don’t deal with reality. We are mean spirited and we are negative and our society is poisoning some so top percent get huge profits. and we do things to control the damage to control the outcome for individuals advantage. What people don’t know is what our news is about. not comparing with reality. Our news makes us think what is important not the facts of the world or REALITY. If you don’t like the fact that alternative energy stocks should keep going up or more shows about global warming or reality of diseases then do what a good percent have done and thats put me on ignore. Ignore the obvious. Having said all that I am happy…. I deal with reality. I don’t act out , I have love in my life and I deal with real issues…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m fortunate to live in fucking New Orleans???? You have way too much time on your hands Steve. ok I am being poisoned and I was paid to help garner real anxiety links We have  govt where one in four kids in some NJ communities need asthma meds. and what does news and govt do? Ignores it. I ultimately am also affected but I can describe how and why and see how govt allows polluters free will to poison our area of the country. As soon as pollution levels increase , like clockwork my breathing is hard. You try to accept that where you live . Then you know why you are fortunate that you just have anxiety huh??? by US govt. imagine a govt poisoning its own citizens. Geoge Bush is a murderer

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me? yes I am . crack and alcohol yummm throw in a few dogs and Elliott and I da man  attention.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You need help. I’m not a shrink, but I was married to a crack addict and alcoholic and you remind me of him. Tell me I’m wrong. ::::::::SPEW:::::::: ROFLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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where is vashti?  when we need him or her?  bring that cognac over here please. .

yes.  more booze is perzackly whacha need.  MORE, i say, not SOME ! Or maybe i need to accept how do I get crazier with anxiety while offering to help others while being poisoned by my government

tha government shoved that 151 proof down yer throat?  HOOK ME UP ! and not really relying on cognitive therapy to help anxiety or being poisoned. Help

(rum is good food.) ~belle

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You try to accept that where you live . Then you know why you are fortunate that you just have anxiety

i feel fortunate.  yer there’n i’m not. BAM?…. yeah, BAM ! ~belle

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You need help. I’m not a shrink, but I was married to a crack addict and alcoholic and you remind me of him. Tell me I’m wrong.

::::::::SPEW:::::::: ROFLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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Have u thought about moving out of the country? Just a thought. whythe country?  there is lots good here, just can’t get there. sure we are a violent country. sure we ignore the obvious. Sure our own govt poisons us ( and I am serious) and sure I wish things were very different.

But I still have free speech. I was born here and see some great things , having been in other countries to compare I surely would never want what I saw some other companies had Still it saddens me we have become more of Me generation , we are very polarized, mistrusting, with few good role models anymore. If I could just find the good people in the good areas, and lastly Ihope our country can reverse the situation that I feel has happened. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Like I don’t know the answer? Our own government is poisoning people in Philly. Starting yesterday higher temperature, means my clean air machine starts to crackle more. Anyone got a  air cleaner attached to your heater? It starts to crackle when dirt hits the machine. Unfortunately it gets louder as the particulates gets more numberous. Unfortunately thats when my asthma drugs are needed and even then I am taken back by the clockwork how the body bodies  everywhere are affected and nothing is done. My guess that evidence points to your body cant cleanse out that damage. You are being poisoned and not enough people cares. Your brother, sister husband , wife and friend in this area is now being poisoned almost fifty percent of the time. in my area and a PBS special warning we will have the worst air in the world in the not too distance future. and no one says more? This is what growing up in US means? Gun violence every day here too , is there a connection GW? You murderer had a couple of illnesses in respiratory system that has made me keenly aware of pollution and  sensitivity to it, and I am telling those that live in these areas your being poisoned. Your going to suffer way more then people who don’t have to absorb this amount of pollution from cars and coal plants. Try to be objective and get beyond the fact that our own government might be subjecting  you to this slow poison by  ask for  objective data by comparing demographic and health of people from other non polluted citits and towns and our own polluted one . If you did, ( I certainly don’t need it cause I know) you would see a distinct differnce in people who are suffering and dying and having cancers and asthma more ( Pa. number 2 in nation) then many places on earth. Its more then shameful that govt is doing this but equally absurb that people who get up everyday and try to do the best things for their fmaily and get a good education can ignore the implications that they choose to live in F rated air and F rated environment for Cancers. Its shameful , because when I ask more and more people even out on the street, by suggesting the air stinks today, they nod their head in approval, yet they can’t take it one more step and do more by pressuring their leaders to do something now? Do they need to have their local news whores tell them when to act like puppets. ?Sometime news people , like people in govt have agendas ( advertising , protecting rich and not wanting people to move from their viewing and voting areas) and people should not have to wait for tv models to tell them what is importance. I categorically state we are being poisoned. I have no agenda politically except I do realize that we have allot of problems in US , even if 1/20th of the people in US are being poisoned daily and no one cares to do anything about it.  I am sure this includes some areas of California also. All this leads me to try to see how things are connected Oh by the way thanks Arlen for doing nothing about pollution in your state. Its now 13 percent of public lives in poverty and of course you hear it on your paid whores they call the free news ? No Hmmmm wonder why? And you think its not possible we are not being poisoned by pollution. Where most of the commercials on tv ,are for cars ,asthma meds, allergy meds  or cancer and heart clinics.in some cities  and not others? You think its far fetched to think life is basically conspiracies? Where its ok to poison their own population?   To produce jobs?  especially for oil or rich?  It is and will be and we are basically sheep to think otherwise. So its anything goes because chances are no matter what happens. the rich will gain in the end and they WILL KILLL EVERYONE of you without a care in the world so they can maintain yachts and play golf all day. .  The thing is more and more people understand this and are starting to treat each other with disrespect. I was on ebay and all of sudden people are deceiving others like never before. People don’t care about others because they have too many things to worry about. They even have commercials that show how insensitive we are becoming to one another. big companies rip you off with phone cards  that don;t work and bills and there often are no phone numbers to complain to., and I was in Best Buy and customers are screaming about being ripped, ..and when you do get an operator on phone, and they happen to answer, and you happen to make sense, they just put you on hold. Where good credit ratings means you will lose your credit if Sprint says you bought something you didnt and you can’t complain about it? Big companies will turn your gas off if you can’t afford to pay 120 dollars a month for gas when you don’t even use any except to cook food? everyone is paranoid and fecious for good reason or deceptive. . Wonderful role models we have and just a wonderful country , we got going on all fronts…..  But the worse part that goes all beyond this and our state govt voting themselves raises whenever they want,  is when govt actually crosses the lines and poisons you . ww.ericblumrich.com/thanks.html want role models? Our athletes not being  role models?  Who are our role models/ Tv actors? News and weather people who lie and deceive you? Its amazing our weather people say beautiful day while asthma meds in number two prescribed medication in the area nnd we had warning levels of pollution when I can’t even move around without wheezing and taking meds all day. Yet they worry about a fire in an abandoned home? Wonderful , Just wonderful .. and so you know how Nazi Germany happened. So all this poisoning has compelled to show other things that are connected. and why this is happening Millionaires are basically the only people being elected to Senate and now Congress Without voter reform we become a nation of rich elected with the only people able to get elected are the people rich enough to be able to afford to advertise. So eventually people being poisoned doesn’t have to seem so crazy after all or  make sense when everything else is added up. Bush who gutted rules for polluters and energy companies while kids ( maybe not you) have to bring nebulizers to school., millions including me having hard time breathing, Our pollution levels for toxicidity has increased at least four fold and not a thing is said. Asthma has jumped from 5 to 10 percent to 16 percent of youth  You see Bush as a role model,? when he makes rules that make it impossible to sue some businesses or polluters or the Saudis but more possible to sue consumers? Where Sierra club said Bush has unraveled 20 years of environment changes. Where kids have more mercury in their brains. Where many people don’t have any good days of air for months?  Where in some cities the biggest outlays of advertising for tv is asthma, and presrcription drugs to treat allergies, cancers and heart disease.? Where cancers association and American Lung association rates the area in which you live as F? That doesn’t make any sane person wonder why nothing is done 0r said and we sit and watch tv passively believeing the hype from models on tv purporting to give the news? Great and beautiful out certainly can’t include polluted and warnings to not go out even if they are legitimate if  tv expects continued billion dollars from advetisining from energy and drug companies.  Where there are more people then ever getting damage from sun and skin cancers? Where people think its hot and humidity that causes asthma,  or their deficincy in some kind of  immune response , but not the  the particulates and ozone that has jumped in my F Rated city or their city and I should be patriotic and accept my poisoning and having to pay for it so Bush could screw whoever he wants. Bush G O T O H E LL USA go to fking helll. You have no right to fking kill or poson me or our  people. not to mention watch as practically every conceivable correlation gets worse. So the top one percent can get record profits again. Our govt could have , or should have spent the same amount of money on lost Americans lives  in Iraq with alternative energy plans and our environment.   If you assume oil companies gettting record profits and paying for Bushs election is connected then you know why we were not prepared with alternatives. Millions of people

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::tossin’ Steve’ah life saver:: … and CHERRY !  yer so lucky. ~tanya

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Have u thought about moving out of the country? Just a thought. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Like I don’t know the answer? Our own government is poisoning people in Philly. Starting yesterday higher temperature, means my clean air machine starts to crackle more. Anyone got a  air cleaner attached to your heater? It starts to crackle when dirt hits the machine. Unfortunately it gets louder as the particulates gets more numberous. Unfortunately thats when my asthma drugs are needed and even then I am taken back by the clockwork how the body bodies  everywhere are affected and nothing is done. My guess that evidence points to your body cant cleanse out that damage. You are being poisoned and not enough people cares. Your brother, sister husband , wife and friend in this area is now being poisoned almost fifty percent of the time. in my area and a PBS special warning we will have the worst air in the world in the not too distance future. and no one says more? This is what growing up in US means? Gun violence every day here too , is there a connection GW? You murderer had a couple of illnesses in respiratory system that has made me keenly aware of pollution and  sensitivity to it, and I am telling those that live in these areas your being poisoned. Your going to suffer way more then people who don’t have to absorb this amount of pollution from cars and coal plants. Try to be objective and get beyond the fact that our own government  might be subjecting  you to this slow poison by  ask for  objective data by comparing demographic and health of people from other non polluted citits and towns and our own polluted one . If you did, ( I certainly don’t need it cause I know) you would see a distinct differnce in people who are suffering and dying and having cancers and asthma more ( Pa. number 2 in nation) then many places on earth. Its more then shameful that govt is doing this but equally absurb that people who get up everyday and try to do the best things for their fmaily and get a good education can ignore the implications that they choose to live in F rated air and F rated environment for Cancers. Its shameful , because when I ask more and more people even out on the street, by suggesting the air stinks today, they nod their head in approval, yet they can’t take it one more step and do more by pressuring their leaders to do something now? Do they need to have their local news whores tell them when to act like puppets. ?Sometime news people , like people in govt have agendas ( advertising , protecting rich and not wanting people to move from their viewing and voting areas) and people should not have to wait for tv models to tell them what is importance. I categorically state we are being poisoned. I have no agenda politically except I do realize that we have allot of problems in US , even if 1/20th of the people in US are being poisoned daily and no one cares to do anything about it.  I am sure this includes some areas of California also. All this leads me to try to see how things are connected Oh by the way thanks Arlen for doing nothing about pollution in your state. Its now 13 percent of public lives in poverty and of course you hear it on your paid whores they call the free news ? No Hmmmm wonder why? And you think its not possible we are not being poisoned by pollution. Where most of the commercials on tv ,are for cars ,asthma meds, allergy meds  or cancer and heart clinics.in some cities  and not others? You think its far fetched to think life is basically conspiracies? Where its ok to poison their own population?   To produce jobs?  especially for oil or rich?  It is and will be and we are basically sheep to think otherwise. So its anything goes because chances are no matter what happens. the rich will gain in the end and they WILL KILLL EVERYONE of you without a care in the world so they can maintain yachts and play golf all day. .  The thing is more and more people understand this and are starting to treat each other with disrespect. I was on ebay and all of sudden people are deceiving others like never before. People don’t care about others because they have too many things to worry about. They even have commercials that show how insensitive we are becoming to one another. big companies rip you off with phone cards  that don;t work and bills and there often are no phone numbers to complain to., and I was in Best Buy and customers are screaming about being ripped, ..and when you do get an operator on phone, and they happen to answer, and you happen to make sense, they just put you on hold. Where good credit ratings means you will lose your credit if Sprint says you bought something you didnt and you can’t complain about it? Big companies will turn your gas off if you can’t afford to pay 120 dollars a month for gas when you don’t even use any except to cook food? everyone is paranoid and fecious for good reason or deceptive. . Wonderful role models we have and just a wonderful country , we got going on all fronts…..  But the worse part that goes all beyond this and our state govt voting themselves raises whenever they want,  is when govt actually crosses the lines and poisons you . ww.ericblumrich.com/thanks.html want role models? Our athletes not being  role models?  Who are our role models/ Tv actors? News and weather people who lie and deceive you? Its amazing our weather people say beautiful day while asthma meds in number two prescribed medication in the area nnd we had warning levels of pollution when I can’t even move around without wheezing and taking meds all day. Yet they worry about a fire in an abandoned home? Wonderful , Just wonderful .. and so you know how Nazi Germany happened. So all this poisoning has compelled to show other things that are connected. and why this is happening Millionaires are basically the only people being elected to Senate and now Congress Without voter reform we become a nation of rich elected with the only people able to get elected are the people rich enough to be able to afford to advertise. So eventually people being poisoned doesn’t have to seem so crazy after all or  make sense when everything else is added up. Bush who gutted rules for polluters and energy companies while kids ( maybe not you) have to bring nebulizers to school., millions including me having hard time breathing, Our pollution levels for toxicidity has increased at least four fold and not a thing is said. Asthma has jumped from 5 to 10 percent to 16 percent of youth  You see Bush as a role model,? when he makes rules that make it impossible to sue some businesses or polluters or the Saudis but more possible to sue consumers? Where Sierra club said Bush has unraveled 20 years of environment changes. Where kids have more mercury in their brains. Where many people don’t have any good days of air for months?  Where in some cities the biggest outlays of advertising for tv is asthma, and presrcription drugs to treat allergies, cancers and heart disease.? Where cancers association and American Lung association rates the area in which you live as F? That doesn’t make any sane person wonder why nothing is done 0r said and we sit and watch tv passively believeing the hype from models on tv purporting to give the news? Great and beautiful out certainly can’t include polluted and warnings to not go out even if they are legitimate if  tv expects continued billion dollars from advetisining from energy and drug companies.  Where there are more people then ever getting damage from sun and skin cancers? Where people think its hot and humidity that causes asthma,  or their deficincy in some kind of  immune response , but not the  the particulates and ozone that has jumped in my F Rated city or their city and I should be patriotic and accept my poisoning and having to pay for it so Bush could screw whoever he wants. Bush G O T O H E LL USA go to fking helll. You have no right to fking kill or poson me or our  people. not to mention watch as practically every conceivable correlation gets worse. So the top one percent can get record profits again. Our govt could have , or should have spent the same amount of money on lost Americans lives  in Iraq with alternative energy plans and our environment.   If you assume oil companies gettting record profits and paying for Bushs election is connected then you know why we were not prepared with alternatives. Millions of people foresaw the rise of oil when Bush was in office but voted for him anyway. .Finally the matter of what drives business can be influenced by govt obviously thus oil and defense business soaring. What mandates better business when our kids are being poisoned though? One year we support terrorists the next we fight them. Could it be all because of jobs?  After all if we are really concerned with violence from terrorism but not violence in our streets which outpaces terrorism then obviously no one really cares about potential violence in reality at all  or fears unless more people can get paid in higher places to madate more funding. You might not know it but  hundreds of thousands are dying from respiratory diseases thru no fault of their own. You hear that?  Thru no fault of their own. out our country and some studies point that out. if you do a search on the net.  We have mercury poisoning and asthma at record rates. We have ocean temperatures at record levels.

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Like I don’t know the answer? Our own government is poisoning people in Philly. Starting yesterday higher temperature, means my clean air machine starts to crackle more. Anyone got a  air cleaner attached to your heater? It starts to crackle when dirt hits the machine. Unfortunately it gets louder as the particulates gets more numberous. Unfortunately thats when my asthma drugs are needed and even then I am taken back by the clockwork how the body bodies  everywhere are affected and nothing is done. My guess that evidence points to your body cant cleanse out that damage. You are being poisoned and not enough people cares. Your brother, sister husband , wife and friend in this area is now being poisoned almost fifty percent of the time. in my area and a PBS special warning we will have the worst air in the world in the not too distance future. and no one says more? This is what growing up in US means? Gun violence every day here too , is there a connection GW? You murderer  had a couple of illnesses in respiratory system that has made me keenly aware of pollution and  sensitivity to it, and I am telling those that live in these areas your being poisoned. Your going to suffer way more then people who don’t have to absorb this amount of pollution from cars and coal plants. Try to be objective and get beyond the fact that our own government  might be subjecting  you to this slow poison by  ask for  objective data by comparing demographic and health of people from other non polluted citits and towns and our own polluted one . If you did, ( I certainly don’t need it cause I know) you would see a distinct differnce in people who are suffering and dying and having cancers and asthma more ( Pa. number 2 in nation) then many places on earth. Its more then shameful that govt is doing this but equally absurb that people who get up everyday and try to do the best things for their fmaily and get a good education can ignore the implications that they choose to live in F rated air and F rated environment for Cancers. Its shameful , because when I ask more and more people even out on the street, by suggesting the air stinks today, they nod their head in approval, yet they can’t take it one more step and do more by pressuring their leaders to do something now? Do they need to have their local news whores tell them when to act like puppets. ?Sometime news people , like people in govt have agendas ( advertising , protecting rich and not wanting people to move from their viewing and voting areas) and people should not have to wait for tv models to tell them what is importance. I categorically state we are being poisoned. I have no agenda politically except I do realize that we have allot of problems in US , even if 1/20th of the people in US are being poisoned daily and no one cares to do anything about it.  I am sure this includes some areas of California also. All this leads me to try to see how things are connected Oh by the way thanks Arlen for doing nothing about pollution in your – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – state. Its now 13 percent of public lives in poverty and of course you hear it on your paid whores they call the free news ? No Hmmmm wonder why? And you think its not possible we are not being poisoned by pollution. Where most of the commercials on tv ,are for cars ,asthma meds, allergy meds  or cancer and heart clinics.in some cities  and not others? You think its far fetched to think life is basically conspiracies? Where its ok to poison their own population?   To produce jobs?  especially for oil or rich?  It is and will be and we are basically sheep to think otherwise. So its anything goes because chances are no matter what happens. the rich will gain in the end and they WILL KILLL EVERYONE of you without a care in the world so they can maintain yachts and play golf all day. .  The thing is more and more people understand this and are starting to treat each other with disrespect. I was on ebay and all of sudden people are deceiving others like never before. People don’t care about others because they have too many things to worry about. They even have commercials that show how insensitive we are becoming to one another. big companies rip you off with phone cards  that don;t work and bills and there often are no phone numbers to complain to., and I was in Best Buy and customers are screaming about being ripped, ..and when you do get an operator on phone, and they happen to answer, and you happen to make sense, they just put you on hold. Where good credit ratings means you will lose your credit if Sprint says you bought something you didnt and you can’t complain about it? Big companies will turn your gas off if you can’t afford to pay 120 dollars a month for gas when you don’t even use any except to cook food? everyone is paranoid and fecious for good reason or deceptive. . Wonderful role models we have and just a wonderful country , we got going on all fronts…..  But the worse part that goes all beyond this and our state govt voting themselves raises whenever they want,  is when govt actually crosses the lines and poisons you . ww.ericblumrich.com/thanks.html want role models? Our athletes not being  role models?  Who are our role models/ Tv actors? News and weather people who lie and deceive you? Its amazing our weather people say beautiful day while asthma meds in number two prescribed medication in the area nnd we had warning levels of pollution when I can’t even move around without wheezing and taking meds all day. Yet they worry about a fire in an abandoned home? Wonderful , Just wonderful .. and so you know how Nazi Germany happened.

So all this poisoning has compelled to show other things that are connected. and why this is happening Millionaires are basically the only people being elected to Senate and now Congress Without voter reform we become a nation of rich elected with the only people able to get elected are the people rich enough to be able to afford to advertise. So eventually people being poisoned doesn’t have to seem so crazy after all or  make sense when everything else is added up. Bush who gutted rules for polluters and – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – energy companies while kids ( maybe not you) have to bring nebulizers to school., millions including me having hard time breathing, Our pollution levels for toxicidity has increased at least four fold and not a thing is said. Asthma has jumped from 5 to 10 percent to 16 percent of youth  You see Bush as a role model,? when he makes rules that make it impossible to sue some businesses or polluters or the Saudis but more possible to sue consumers? Where Sierra club said Bush has unraveled 20 years of environment changes. Where kids have more mercury in their brains. Where many people don’t have any good days of air for months?  Where in some cities the biggest outlays of advertising for tv is asthma, and presrcription drugs to treat allergies, cancers and heart disease.? Where cancers association and American Lung association rates the area in which you live as F? That doesn’t make any sane person wonder why nothing is done 0r said and we sit and watch tv passively believeing the hype from models on tv purporting to give the news? Great and beautiful out certainly can’t include polluted and warnings to not go out even if they are legitimate if  tv expects continued billion dollars from advetisining from energy and drug companies.  Where there are more people then ever getting damage from sun and skin cancers? Where people think its hot and humidity that causes asthma,  or their deficincy in some kind of  immune response , but not the  the particulates and ozone that has jumped in my F Rated city or their city and I should be patriotic and accept my poisoning and having to pay for it so Bush could screw whoever he wants. Bush G O T O H E LL USA go to fking helll. You have no right to fking kill or poson me or our  people. not to mention watch as practically every conceivable correlation gets worse. So the top one percent can get record profits again. Our govt could have , or should have spent the same amount of money on lost Americans lives  in Iraq with alternative energy plans and our environment.   If you assume oil companies gettting record profits and paying for Bushs election is connected then you know why we were not prepared with alternatives. Millions of people foresaw the rise of oil when Bush was in office but voted for him anyway. .Finally the matter of what drives business can be influenced by govt obviously thus oil and defense business soaring. What mandates better business when our kids are being poisoned though? One year we support terrorists the next we fight them. Could it be all because of jobs?  After all if we are really concerned with violence from terrorism but not violence in our streets which outpaces terrorism then obviously no one really cares about potential violence in reality at all  or fears unless more people can get paid in higher places to madate more funding.

You might not know it but  hundreds of thousands are dying from respiratory – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – diseases thru no fault of their own. You hear that?  Thru no fault of their own. out our country and some studies point that out. if you do a search on the net.  We have mercury poisoning and asthma at record rates. We have ocean temperatures at record levels. We have polar ice melting  and record asthma, record skin cancers and we can’t drink our water or eat fish in many pleaces. .. At what point should things be done more proactive? its a crime to wait till 2020 a fking crimeLiberals or Conservative in the Republicans and Democrat parties  are virtually the same . They are mostly rich, they support people who vote in status quo, while ignoring most of people who have needs.  The make the agendas what we

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ok I am being poisoned and I was paid to help garner real anxiety links We have  govt where one in four kids in some NJ communities need asthma meds. and what does news and govt do? Ignores it. I ultimately am also affected but I can describe how and why and see how govt allows polluters free will to poison our area of the country. As soon as pollution levels increase , like clockwork my breathing is hard. You try to accept that where you live . Then you know why you are fortunate that you just have anxiety

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I’m fortunate to live in fucking New Orleans???? You have way too much time on your hands Steve. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ok I am being poisoned and I was paid to help garner real anxiety links We have  govt where one in four kids in some NJ communities need asthma meds. and what does news and govt do? Ignores it. I ultimately am also affected but I can describe how and why and see how govt allows polluters free will to poison our area of the country. As soon as pollution levels increase , like clockwork my breathing is hard. You try to accept that where you live . Then you know why you are fortunate that you just have anxiety huh??? by US govt. imagine a govt poisoning its own citizens. Geoge Bush is a murderer

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You need help. I’m not a shrink, but I was married to a crack addict and alcoholic and you remind me of him. Tell me I’m wrong. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – where is vashti?  when we need him or her?  bring that cognac over here please. . Or maybe i need to accept how do I get crazier with anxiety while offering to help others while being poisoned by my government and not really relying on cognitive therapy to help anxiety or being poisoned. Help by US govt. imagine a govt poisoning its own citizens. Geoge Bush is a murderer

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by US govt. imagine a govt poisoning its own citizens. Geoge Bush is a murderer

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where is vashti?  when we need him or her?  bring that cognac over here please. . Or maybe i need to accept how do I get crazier with anxiety while offering to help others while being poisoned by my government and not really relying on cognitive therapy to help anxiety or being poisoned. Help – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – by US govt. imagine a govt poisoning its own citizens. Geoge Bush is a murderer

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anyone know any gum or hard candy (prefer gum) or breath type mints that have no sugar and no sugar alcohol?  my mouth gets so dry on my daily bike commute it drives me nuts. no matter how much water I drink my mouth is always dry while riding. small amounts of sorbitol and such really set me off. — Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices See http://www.knight-toolworks.com  For prices and ordering instructions.

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Leafing through alt.support.diet, I read Steve Knight’s message of 12 Nov 2004: anyone know any gum or hard candy (prefer gum) or breath type mints that have no sugar and no sugar alcohol?

Steve, sorry for not answering your question, but I’m wondering why your mouth is so dry.  my mouth gets so dry on my daily bike commute it drives me nuts. no  matter how much water I drink my mouth is always dry while riding.

I don’t ride, but I do run. My experience is that my mouth will be dry for two reasons; 1) low humidity and/or 2) low hydration level. Hydration levels can best be controlled by drinking an hour before you go for your ride, then within 10 minutes before you go for your ride. Drinking an hour before will allow your body to absorb the needed fluid and give your body to excrete excess fluid before the ride. Drinking within 10 minutes of the ride will ensure that that last bit of fluid is used for your ride and not passed through your system. Another thing to consider is that plain water may not be emptying from your stomach in a timely manner. Fluid replacement drinks have the proper carb and sodium concentration that facilitates absorption by your body. However, since this is alt.support.diet, you may be trying to cut your calories or carbs. If that is the case try plain water, but drink at the proper times. My usual routine before a long run: 1 to 1.5 hours pre-run – 20 oz fluid replacement drink 5 to 10 minutes pre-run – 20 oz fluid replacement drink Every 15 to 20 minutes during the run – 12 oz fluid replacement drink Phil M. — "What counts in battle is what you do once the pain sets in." -John Short, South African coach.

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Steve, sorry for not answering your question, but I’m wondering why your mouth is so dry.

not sure why. I thought it was dehydration but no matter how much I drink I have it when I ride. in the morning I will have had two 20 oz glasses of water or watered down tea or one of diet pop. by the ride home I usually will have had atleast 64oz more of watered down tea and maybe a can if diet pop sometimes I have 100oz before I leave. Another thing to consider is that plain water may not be emptying from your stomach in a timely manner. Fluid replacement drinks have the proper carb and sodium concentration that facilitates absorption by your body. However, since this is alt.support.diet, you may be trying to cut your calories or carbs. If that is the case try plain water, but drink at the proper times.

I don’t have a choice about carbs. I have this weird problem called leaky gut and it causes all of these food allergies. I can’t eat any sugars or carbs really.  it may be causing this though I have not heard anyone else saying they have the same problem. — Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices See http://www.knight-toolworks.com  For prices and ordering instructions.

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anyone know any gum or hard candy (prefer gum) or breath type mints that have no sugar and no sugar alcohol?  my mouth gets so dry on my daily bike commute it drives me nuts. no matter how much water I drink my mouth is always dry while riding. small amounts of sorbitol and such really set me off.

One stick of regular chewing gum contains about 8-10 calories (and 2.5 g carb, if you’re low-carbing, which might also account for getting the cotton-mouth so bad?). If even that bothers you, you could do the old "chewing gum on the bedpost" trick and try to get several rides out of it. Also note, a study showed that chewing gum burns something like 11 additional calories per hour, so assuming you consume no more than 1 stick/hr, you’d actually lose weight. http://magazines.ivillage.com/goodhousekeeping/diet/nutrition/article…

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Leafing through alt.support.diet, I read Steve Knight’s message of 12 Nov 2004: I have this weird problem called leaky gut and it causes all of these food allergies. I can’t eat any sugars or carbs really.  it may be causing this though I have not heard anyone else saying  they have the same problem.

From what I understand leaky gut is a common problem. You may want to do some googling on leaky gut and dehydration. Phil M.

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One stick of regular chewing gum contains about 8-10 calories (and 2.5 g carb, if you’re low-carbing, which might also account for getting the cotton-mouth so bad?). If even that bothers you, you could do the old "chewing gum on the bedpost" trick and try to get several rides out of it. Also note, a study showed that chewing gum burns something like 11 additional calories per hour, so assuming you consume no more than 1 stick/hr, you’d actually lose weight.

it’s not the calories so much as the allergic reactions. in the other messages I talk about leaky gut. it causes food allergies. and in me that causes asthma problems. well any sugar sets it off. I can get away with 0 carbs or maybe 1 gram at most but that’s pushing it.  but the idea of washing the gum like bubble blowers do has merit. though it is better if the gum has some flavor. — Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices See http://www.knight-toolworks.com  For prices and ordering instructions.

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Could be sugar related. Check your blood sugar.

no I am fine there. — Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices See http://www.knight-toolworks.com  For prices and ordering instructions.

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From what I understand leaky gut is a common problem. You may want to do some googling on leaky gut and dehydration.

I have done so much research it makes me sick (G) I just don’t remember anything about dehydration.  I can’t take any of the supplements recommended either, it seems anything I was not eating when it really got bad I react to. part of the dryness is I get asthma from it and when I ride I am breathing through my mouth a lot and I think that really dries it out. — Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices See http://www.knight-toolworks.com  For prices and ordering instructions.

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Steve, sorry for not answering your question, but I’m wondering why your mouth is so dry. not sure why.

Could be sugar related. Check your blood sugar.

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I don’t know how practicable my suggestion would be, but how about trying something like sucking on a slice of lemon, instead of chewing gum.

I think most of it is that the allergies cause asthma reactions so when I am riding and my lungs act up I am huffing and puffing a lot and I dry up and I also notice I don’t swallow alot. so the gum helps for that too. — Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices See http://www.knight-toolworks.com  For prices and ordering instructions.

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Help!  I have a sever rash all over my legs, thighs, and the back of my knees.  It is incredibly itchy.  I was reading through my atkins book and it mentioned a rash as a symptom of Candida.  I am also severely allergic to house mold, it causes asthma attacks.     I noticed that my last few days of food consumption have been a lot of cheddar cheese, smoked foods, mushrooms and  salami.  These are all listed as foods that are no no for Candida.     Has anyone dealt with this before.  I immediately started taking garlic and acidophilus to try to curb this.  But it has been 2 days and I am miserable.  Should I go to the dr? Anyone have any suggestions who has dealt with this before?  I am on induction, so this drastically cuts what I can eat.  Thanks, Daisie

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With me it was under my arms and breasts, and on my sides… I found the main culprit in my case to be ATKINS barbeque sauce… the spices seemed to cause it… bactine spray  seemed to at least stop the pain for minutes… Also took lots of fish oil, nancyy

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Help!  I have a sever rash all over my legs, thighs, and the back of my knees.  It is incredibly itchy.  I was reading through my atkins book and it mentioned a rash as a symptom of Candida.  I am also severely allergic to house mold, it causes asthma attacks.    I noticed that my last few days of food consumption have been a lot of cheddar cheese, smoked foods, mushrooms and  salami.  These are all listed as foods that are no no for Candida.    Has anyone dealt with this before.

Yep. I get it and have to stop my intake of all yeast producing foods which *SUCKS* because I LIKE all those foods. :-/

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what I would give to live in Canada, but don’t have much to give. Anyway:more and more I believe , clean air and healthy food has an enormous affect on the health for many different ailments. Unfortuantely though , its probably not the cause. I am willing to bet if they took people and there was a way to measure how much they shake  and then gave them a vigorish exercise and good healthy diet , that the level of shake and stress would dissipate. Clean air is by no accident an important ingredient in helping anxiety. The way we adjust to stress with adrenalin response and rapid breathing can only be helped if the air we breathe is cleaner. More oxygen to the brain the better but of course the slower the breathing the better also but if the air is dirty , slower breathing is not really going to do all it can do. I just know its all connected. Sleep is the only area I don’t have enough control of yet,  take care  rick

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Clean air is wonderful but living in a city it is a bit hard to come by:) I cannot spend much time in second-hand book or clothing shops. The mustiness triggers my allergies. Interestingly, my daughter who has asthma, was much better when we spent a year in Canada. A thick blanket of snow made a big difference to the air quality. I would still prefer the sun. love Meryl Hey Meryl,  Thanks for the message. I realize people suffer from bad inside air, but isn’t it amazing when you go into a different environment our nose smells the dust ? To me if I didn’t breath it or if I hadn’t had to understand it , perhaps I wouldn’t believe it if someone told me they were allergic to the dust "smell" in the home.To this day people look at me like I am making this up. I even thought about moving, selling my home etc. I use to smoke (dumb) and now like you when I get anxious , out the door into a cleaner environment I go and what a relief. So clean air I believe is good for us . I just wish I could move easily . I even follow how dirty the air is outside and see when its cleaner I breathe even better. when its dirty I dont go out and put up with the air inside. I do that only because I compared the differences. I love the winter and fall now because the air outside tends to be clearner. Oh what I would give to live in a cleaner environment like Portland or Iowa. If anyone is listening and has an apt they want to rent out please email. I would make a great friend! Sounds like  dog ad , doesn’t it. ?  :) Have a good day everyone. Hi, I have had allergies for a lot longer than I have had anxiety, and yes I can smell the dust in some inside environments. Then again, when I am anxious I experience a strong urge to be outside in fresh air. Usually I can distinguish between allergic reactions and panic. love Meryl Here again I relate. I have asthma and often think its the duct work that has dust. To me I can breath better outside then when my heating or central air is on . I had duct work done but most companies cannot possibly get all the areas inside cleaned or reached. Except when high ozone is up. Man, I am not sure I am as good as I thought I was. I can relate to everyone here? Can anyone smell the dust that causes asthma, I swear to you after I go into the park with clean air and come into the house I smell the dust and I think that triggers anxiety! Hi rabbit, I sometimes am not sure if I have asthma or whether I am hyperventilating. Sometimes I use my bronchodilator and take a Xanax to cover both possibilities. love Meryl Hello I have the same thing. Middle of the night i wake up and cant breathe. It was so bad one night that I just about called an ambulance. I have asthma and I’m not sure if the asthma constricting my breathing makes me panic, or if I’m just panicing and there is nothing wrong. Very Scary…… Hi I was wondering if there was anyone out there that faces the same problem I do, and if there is, please comment! I often feel like I have great difficulty breathing, and sometimes this leads to a panic attack, and sometimes it doesn’t. I don’t breathe particularly fast, and I’m not panting- I just feel like I can’t get any air in. It will get pretty bad for maybe 30 seconds, and then it will ease up a bit. This cycle can last for half an hour or more! I know it’s not a heart problem, and my skin doesn’t turn blue and I don’t wheeze. Sometimes I do feel a little light-headed, and if I’m scared enough it will lead to panicky feelings. But I have never fainted. I haven’t met anybody else with panic disorder before so I’m not sure if this is a typical symptom of anxiety or not. I’m not sure whether to get this checked out with a doctor, or to treat it as a symptom of panic disorder and work on it. Any help is appreciated! thanks That, along with shaking, is one of my biggest symptoms. Like you I don’t breathe all that fast, it’s more like I’m desperately trying to gulp in some air. Even though this is a symptom of panic disorder you still should see a doctor IMO, just to rule out any other possible causes. Teri <with a cold and a stuffy nose who *really* feels like she can’t get any air right now  

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Hi, I lived in Edmonton in 1997. Having come from a city with a high allergy rate, we noticed the difference with the ground covered in a thick blanket of snow. The air seemed much cleaner. The only problem was the risk of death from hypothermia:P I know that many people had problems with leaf mould allergies in Spring, but we were used to Spring allergies. love Meryl

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just so you know, the air in Canadian cities is not that clean. The weather channel gives the air quality report and recently I saw it was no longer "good" but already in the zone where people are advised not to exercise outdoors. This is in the Vancouver area. It gets worse the further east into the valley you go as the pollution from downtown blows inland. I know my relatives who came up here for a visit always thought the air was so clean (compared to Sacramento). And yes, relatively I’m sure it is. My mom could not even go outside during grass burning season or whatever it was in the Sacramento valley, and was on inhalers. But my daughter has developed asthma up here in "pristine Canada" and I often have asthma-like lung congestion. There are too many cars. Even though emission levels went down in the last ten years or so because the newer cars had to have emission controls, the amount of cars doubled so that it remains the same quality of air (I learned this from a government report). There is no way to escape this in the cities; and in the countryside you get the smog blown in from the cities. Yet people still flock to the great Pacific Northwest with its beautiful mountains and ocean. The mountains, always clear when we came here in 1968, are usually obscured by smog now. And this is because everyone flocks here for the great climate, and in doing so, the city is dirtier and where is there left to flock to? The air quality is especially bad in hot weather. Winter and the rainy times are the cleanest air times and that is why I love them. But our summers are getting harsher and longer due to the permanent climate change, and so really, don’t dream of Canada as a pure place anymore. Parts of it are, the ones with less industry and population, but unless you are young and tough and strong and can make it without any services you’d be living in the thick of the smog anyway. This is just my opinion after living here 35 years and seeing it change gradually, especially since the mid 80s. what I would give to live in Canada, but don’t have much to give. Anyway:more and more I believe , clean air and healthy food has an enormous affect on the health for many different ailments. Unfortuantely though , its probably not the cause. I am willing to bet if they took people and there was a way to measure how much they shake  and then gave them a vigorish exercise and good healthy diet , that the level of shake and stress would dissipate. Clean air is by no accident an important ingredient in helping anxiety. The way we adjust to stress with adrenalin response and rapid breathing can only be helped if the air we breathe is cleaner. More oxygen to the brain the better but of course the slower the breathing the better also but if the air is dirty , slower breathing is not really going to do all it can do. I just know its all connected. Sleep is the only area I don’t have enough control of yet,  take care  rick Clean air is wonderful but living in a city it is a bit hard to come by:) I cannot spend much time in second-hand book or clothing shops. The mustiness triggers my allergies. Interestingly, my daughter who has asthma, was much better when we spent a year in Canada. A thick blanket of snow made a big difference to the air quality. I would still prefer the sun. love Meryl

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Hi Lionheart again,    I did write that original message. There are a few websites that have touched on exactly where to go. I didn’t know though Vancouver was one of the places with bad air. Basically the air goes west to east. If you really want clean air , cooler air usually is better and , so is northern california coast or Washington state close to ocean where real estate goes for lots of money  but you might be lucky to find something isolate somewhere .If you live on east coast near water and away from large city or tourist attractions you might do well because on stormy days the winds shift coming off the ocean in easterly direction which is why i like noreasters . I am probably the only one who goes for walks or jogs on rainy days Lol. I also like cloudy days for the same reasons.Still west coast would probably be better cause winds usually go west to east . Thanks for caring and posting about this. Rick

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just so you know, the air in Canadian cities is not that clean. The weather channel gives the air quality report and recently I saw it was no longer "good" but already in the zone where people are advised not to exercise outdoors. This is in the Vancouver area. It gets worse the further east into the valley you go as the pollution from downtown blows inland. I know my relatives who came up here for a visit always thought the air was so clean (compared to Sacramento). And yes, relatively I’m sure it is. My mom could not even go outside during grass burning season or whatever it was in the Sacramento valley, and was on inhalers. But my daughter has developed asthma up here in "pristine Canada" and I often have asthma-like lung congestion. There are too many cars. Even though emission levels went down in the last ten years or so because the newer cars had to have emission controls, the amount of cars doubled so that it remains the same quality of air (I learned this from a government report). There is no way to escape this in the cities; and in the countryside you get the smog blown in from the cities. Yet people still flock to the great Pacific Northwest with its beautiful mountains and ocean. The mountains, always clear when we came here in 1968, are usually obscured by smog now. And this is because everyone flocks here for the great climate, and in doing so, the city is dirtier and where is there left to flock to? The air quality is especially bad in hot weather. Winter and the rainy times are the cleanest air times and that is why I love them. But our summers are getting harsher and longer due to the permanent climate change, and so really, don’t dream of Canada as a pure place anymore. Parts of it are, the ones with less industry and population, but unless you are young and tough and strong and can make it without any services you’d be living in the thick of the smog anyway. This is just my opinion after living here 35 years and seeing it change gradually, especially since the mid 80s. what I would give to live in Canada, but don’t have much to give. Anyway:more and more I believe , clean air and healthy food has an enormous affect on the health for many different ailments. Unfortuantely though , its probably not the cause. I am willing to bet if they took people and there was a way to measure how much they shake  and then gave them a vigorish exercise and good healthy diet , that the level of shake and stress would dissipate. Clean air is by no accident an important ingredient in helping anxiety. The way we adjust to stress with adrenalin response and rapid breathing can only be helped if the air we breathe is cleaner. More oxygen to the brain the better but of course the slower the breathing the better also but if the air is dirty , slower breathing is not really going to do all it can do. I just know its all connected. Sleep is the only area I don’t have enough control of yet,  take care  rick Clean air is wonderful but living in a city it is a bit hard to come by:) I cannot spend much time in second-hand book or clothing shops. The mustiness triggers my allergies. Interestingly, my daughter who has asthma, was much better when we spent a year in Canada. A thick blanket of snow made a big difference to the air quality. I would still prefer the sun. love Meryl Hey Meryl,  Thanks for the message. I realize people suffer from bad inside air, but isn’t it amazing when you go into a different environment our nose smells the dust ? To me if I didn’t breath it or if I hadn’t had to understand it , perhaps I wouldn’t believe it if someone told me they were allergic to the dust "smell" in the home.To this day people look at me like I am making this up. I even thought about moving, selling my home etc. I use to smoke (dumb) and now like you when I get anxious , out the door into a cleaner environment I go and what a relief. So clean air I believe is good for us . I just wish I could move easily . I even follow how dirty the air is outside and see when its cleaner I breathe even better. when its dirty I dont go out and put up with the air inside. I do that only because I compared the differences. I love the winter and fall now because the air outside tends to be clearner. Oh what I would give to live in a cleaner environment like Portland or Iowa. If anyone is listening and has an apt they want to rent out please email. I would make a great friend! Sounds like  dog ad , doesn’t it. ?  :) Have a good day everyone. Hi, I have had allergies for a lot longer than I have had anxiety, and yes I can smell the dust in some inside environments. Then again, when I am anxious I experience a strong urge to be outside in fresh air. Usually I can distinguish between allergic reactions and panic. love Meryl Here again I relate. I have asthma and often think its the duct work that has dust. To me I can breath better outside then when my heating or central air is on . I had duct work done but most companies cannot possibly get all the areas inside cleaned or reached. Except when high ozone is up. Man, I am not sure I am as good as I thought I was. I can relate to everyone here? Can anyone smell the dust that causes asthma, I swear to you after I go into the park with clean air and come into the house I smell the dust and I think that triggers anxiety! Hi rabbit, I sometimes am not sure if I have asthma or whether I am hyperventilating. Sometimes I use my bronchodilator and take a Xanax to cover both possibilities. love Meryl Hello I have the same thing. Middle of the night i wake up and cant breathe. It was so bad one night that I just about called an ambulance. I have asthma and I’m not sure if the asthma constricting my breathing makes me panic, or if I’m just panicing and there is nothing wrong. Very Scary…… Hi I was wondering if there was anyone out there that faces the same problem I do, and if there is, please comment! I often feel like I have great difficulty breathing, and sometimes this leads to a panic attack, and sometimes it doesn’t. I don’t breathe particularly fast, and I’m not panting- I just feel like I can’t get any air in. It will get pretty bad for maybe 30 seconds, and then it will ease up a bit. This cycle can last for half an hour or more! I know it’s not a heart problem, and my skin doesn’t turn blue and I don’t wheeze. Sometimes I do feel a little light-headed, and if I’m scared enough it will lead to panicky feelings. But I have never fainted. I haven’t met

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Just so you know, the air in Canadian cities is not that clean. The weather channel gives the air quality report and recently I saw it was no longer "good" but already in the zone where people are advised not to exercise outdoors. This is in the Vancouver area. It gets worse the further east into the valley you go as the pollution from downtown blows inland. I know my relatives who came up here for a visit always thought the air was so clean (compared to Sacramento). And yes, relatively I’m sure it is. My mom could not even go outside during grass burning season or whatever it was in the Sacramento valley, and was on inhalers. But my daughter has developed asthma up here in "pristine Canada" and I often have asthma-like lung congestion. There are too many cars. Even though emission levels went down in the last ten years or so because the newer cars had to have emission controls, the amount of cars doubled so that it remains the same quality of air (I learned this from a government report). There is no way to escape this in the cities; and in the countryside you get the smog blown in from the cities. Yet people still flock to the great Pacific Northwest with its beautiful mountains and ocean. The mountains, always clear when we came here in 1968, are usually obscured by smog now. And this is because everyone flocks here for the great climate, and in doing so, the city is dirtier and where is there left to flock to? The air quality is especially bad in hot weather. Winter and the rainy times are the cleanest air times and that is why I love them. But our summers are getting harsher and longer due to the permanent climate change, and so really, don’t dream of Canada as a pure place anymore. Parts of it are, the ones with less industry and population, but unless you are young and tough and strong and can make it without any services you’d be living in the thick of the smog anyway. This is just my opinion after living here 35 years and seeing it change gradually, especially since the mid 80s.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – what I would give to live in Canada, but don’t have much to give. Anyway:more and more I believe , clean air and healthy food has an enormous affect on the health for many different ailments. Unfortuantely though , its probably not the cause. I am willing to bet if they took people and there was a way to measure how much they shake  and then gave them a vigorish exercise and good healthy diet , that the level of shake and stress would dissipate. Clean air is by no accident an important ingredient in helping anxiety. The way we adjust to stress with adrenalin response and rapid breathing can only be helped if the air we breathe is cleaner. More oxygen to the brain the better but of course the slower the breathing the better also but if the air is dirty , slower breathing is not really going to do all it can do. I just know its all connected. Sleep is the only area I don’t have enough control of yet,  take care  rick Clean air is wonderful but living in a city it is a bit hard to come by:) I cannot spend much time in second-hand book or clothing shops. The mustiness triggers my allergies. Interestingly, my daughter who has asthma, was much better when we spent a year in Canada. A thick blanket of snow made a big difference to the air quality. I would still prefer the sun. love Meryl Hey Meryl,  Thanks for the message. I realize people suffer from bad inside air, but isn’t it amazing when you go into a different environment our nose smells the dust ? To me if I didn’t breath it or if I hadn’t had to understand it , perhaps I wouldn’t believe it if someone told me they were allergic to the dust "smell" in the home.To this day people look at me like I am making this up. I even thought about moving, selling my home etc. I use to smoke (dumb) and now like you when I get anxious , out the door into a cleaner environment I go and what a relief. So clean air I believe is good for us . I just wish I could move easily . I even follow how dirty the air is outside and see when its cleaner I breathe even better. when its dirty I dont go out and put up with the air inside. I do that only because I compared the differences. I love the winter and fall now because the air outside tends to be clearner. Oh what I would give to live in a cleaner environment like Portland or Iowa. If anyone is listening and has an apt they want to rent out please email. I would make a great friend! Sounds like  dog ad , doesn’t it. ?  :) Have a good day everyone. Hi, I have had allergies for a lot longer than I have had anxiety, and yes I can smell the dust in some inside environments. Then again, when I am anxious I experience a strong urge to be outside in fresh air. Usually I can distinguish between allergic reactions and panic. love Meryl Here again I relate. I have asthma and often think its the duct work that has dust. To me I can breath better outside then when my heating or central air is on . I had duct work done but most companies cannot possibly get all the areas inside cleaned or reached. Except when high ozone is up. Man, I am not sure I am as good as I thought I was. I can relate to everyone here? Can anyone smell the dust that causes asthma, I swear to you after I go into the park with clean air and come into the house I smell the dust and I think that triggers anxiety! Hi rabbit, I sometimes am not sure if I have asthma or whether I am hyperventilating. Sometimes I use my bronchodilator and take a Xanax to cover both possibilities. love Meryl Hello I have the same thing. Middle of the night i wake up and cant breathe. It was so bad one night that I just about called an ambulance. I have asthma and I’m not sure if the asthma constricting my breathing makes me panic, or if I’m just panicing and there is nothing wrong. Very Scary…… Hi I was wondering if there was anyone out there that faces the same problem I do, and if there is, please comment! I often feel like I have great difficulty breathing, and sometimes this leads to a panic attack, and sometimes it doesn’t. I don’t breathe particularly fast, and I’m not panting- I just feel like I can’t get any air in. It will get pretty bad for maybe 30 seconds, and then it will ease up a bit. This cycle can last for half an hour or more! I know it’s not a heart problem, and my skin doesn’t turn blue and I don’t wheeze. Sometimes I do feel a little light-headed, and if I’m scared enough it will lead to panicky feelings. But I have never fainted. I haven’t met anybody else with panic disorder before so I’m not sure if this is a typical symptom of anxiety or not. I’m not sure whether to get this checked out with a doctor, or to treat it as a symptom of panic disorder and work on it. Any help is appreciated! thanks That, along with shaking, is one of my biggest symptoms. Like you I don’t breathe all that fast, it’s more like I’m desperately trying to gulp in some air. Even though this is a symptom of panic disorder you still should see a doctor IMO, just to rule out any other possible causes. Teri <with a cold and a stuffy nose who *really* feels like she can’t get any air right now  

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Hi I was wondering if there was anyone out there that faces the same problem I do, and if there is, please comment! I often feel like I have great difficulty breathing, and sometimes this leads to a panic attack, and sometimes it doesn’t. I don’t breathe particularly fast, and I’m not panting- I just feel like I can’t get any air in. It will get pretty bad for maybe 30 seconds, and then it will ease up a bit. This cycle can last for half an hour or more! I know it’s not a heart problem, and my skin doesn’t turn blue and I don’t wheeze. Sometimes I do feel a little light-headed, and if I’m scared enough it will lead to panicky feelings. But I have never fainted. I haven’t met anybody else with panic disorder before so I’m not sure if this is a typical symptom of anxiety or not. I’m not sure whether to get this checked out with a doctor, or to treat it as a symptom of panic disorder and work on it. Any help is appreciated! thanks

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Sounds like hyperventilation, a common characteristic of panic attacks.  See http://www.emedicine.com/wild/topic31.htm You can use your search engine and find a few techniques for stopping them once they start (e.g., breathing exercises, reducing your oxygen intake, etc.).  Preventing them means learning how to reduce and manage your anxiety levels. Are you seeing a doctor or therapist for your panic disorder?

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Hi, Lux, It’s always best to run it by your doctor first.  But I can tell you that in hindsight that was one of the first symptoms I remember having… smiles, Elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi I was wondering if there was anyone out there that faces the same problem I do, and if there is, please comment! I often feel like I have great difficulty breathing, and sometimes this leads to a panic attack, and sometimes it doesn’t. I don’t breathe particularly fast, and I’m not panting- I just feel like I can’t get any air in. It will get pretty bad for maybe 30 seconds, and then it will ease up a bit. This cycle can last for half an hour or more! I know it’s not a heart problem, and my skin doesn’t turn blue and I don’t wheeze. Sometimes I do feel a little light-headed, and if I’m scared enough it will lead to panicky feelings. But I have never fainted. I haven’t met anybody else with panic disorder before so I’m not sure if this is a typical symptom of anxiety or not. I’m not sure whether to get this checked out with a doctor, or to treat it as a symptom of panic disorder and work on it. Any help is appreciated! thanks

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Clean air is wonderful but living in a city it is a bit hard to come by:) I cannot spend much time in second-hand book or clothing shops. The mustiness triggers my allergies. Interestingly, my daughter who has asthma, was much better when we spent a year in Canada. A thick blanket of snow made a big difference to the air quality. I would still prefer the sun. love Meryl

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Meryl,  Thanks for the message. I realize people suffer from bad inside air, but isn’t it amazing when you go into a different environment our nose smells the dust ? To me if I didn’t breath it or if I hadn’t had to understand it , perhaps I wouldn’t believe it if someone told me they were allergic to the dust "smell" in the home.To this day people look at me like I am making this up. I even thought about moving, selling my home etc. I use to smoke (dumb) and now like you when I get anxious , out the door into a cleaner environment I go and what a relief. So clean air I believe is good for us . I just wish I could move easily . I even follow how dirty the air is outside and see when its cleaner I breathe even better. when its dirty I dont go out and put up with the air inside. I do that only because I compared the differences. I love the winter and fall now because the air outside tends to be clearner. Oh what I would give to live in a cleaner environment like Portland or Iowa. If anyone is listening and has an apt they want to rent out please email. I would make a great friend! Sounds like  dog ad , doesn’t it. ?  :) Have a good day everyone. Hi, I have had allergies for a lot longer than I have had anxiety, and yes I can smell the dust in some inside environments. Then again, when I am anxious I experience a strong urge to be outside in fresh air. Usually I can distinguish between allergic reactions and panic. love Meryl Here again I relate. I have asthma and often think its the duct work that has dust. To me I can breath better outside then when my heating or central air is on . I had duct work done but most companies cannot possibly get all the areas inside cleaned or reached. Except when high ozone is up. Man, I am not sure I am as good as I thought I was. I can relate to everyone here? Can anyone smell the dust that causes asthma, I swear to you after I go into the park with clean air and come into the house I smell the dust and I think that triggers anxiety! Hi rabbit, I sometimes am not sure if I have asthma or whether I am hyperventilating. Sometimes I use my bronchodilator and take a Xanax to cover both possibilities. love Meryl Hello I have the same thing. Middle of the night i wake up and cant breathe. It was so bad one night that I just about called an ambulance. I have asthma and I’m not sure if the asthma constricting my breathing makes me panic, or if I’m just panicing and there is nothing wrong. Very Scary…… Hi I was wondering if there was anyone out there that faces the same problem I do, and if there is, please comment! I often feel like I have great difficulty breathing, and sometimes this leads to a panic attack, and sometimes it doesn’t. I don’t breathe particularly fast, and I’m not panting- I just feel like I can’t get any air in. It will get pretty bad for maybe 30 seconds, and then it will ease up a bit. This cycle can last for half an hour or more! I know it’s not a heart problem, and my skin doesn’t turn blue and I don’t wheeze. Sometimes I do feel a little light-headed, and if I’m scared enough it will lead to panicky feelings. But I have never fainted. I haven’t met anybody else with panic disorder before so I’m not sure if this is a typical symptom of anxiety or not. I’m not sure whether to get this checked out with a doctor, or to treat it as a symptom of panic disorder and work on it. Any help is appreciated! thanks That, along with shaking, is one of my biggest symptoms. Like you I don’t breathe all that fast, it’s more like I’m desperately trying to gulp in some air. Even though this is a symptom of panic disorder you still should see a doctor IMO, just to rule out any other possible causes. Teri <with a cold and a stuffy nose who *really* feels like she can’t get any air right now  

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Hey Meryl,  Thanks for the message. I realize people suffer from bad inside air, but isn’t it amazing when you go into a different environment our nose smells the dust ? To me if I didn’t breath it or if I hadn’t had to understand it , perhaps I wouldn’t believe it if someone told me they were allergic to the dust "smell" in the home.To this day people look at me like I am making this up. I even thought about moving, selling my home etc. I use to smoke (dumb) and now like you when I get anxious , out the door into a cleaner environment I go and what a relief. So clean air I believe is good for us . I just wish I could move easily . I even follow how dirty the air is outside and see when its cleaner I breathe even better. when its dirty I dont go out and put up with the air inside. I do that only because I compared the differences. I love the winter and fall now because the air outside tends to be clearner. Oh what I would give to live in a cleaner environment like Portland or Iowa. If anyone is listening and has an apt they want to rent out please email. I would make a great friend! Sounds like  dog ad , doesn’t it. ?  :) Have a good day everyone.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I have had allergies for a lot longer than I have had anxiety, and yes I can smell the dust in some inside environments. Then again, when I am anxious I experience a strong urge to be outside in fresh air. Usually I can distinguish between allergic reactions and panic. love Meryl Here again I relate. I have asthma and often think its the duct work that has dust. To me I can breath better outside then when my heating or central air is on . I had duct work done but most companies cannot possibly get all the areas inside cleaned or reached. Except when high ozone is up. Man, I am not sure I am as good as I thought I was. I can relate to everyone here? Can anyone smell the dust that causes asthma, I swear to you after I go into the park with clean air and come into the house I smell the dust and I think that triggers anxiety! Hi rabbit, I sometimes am not sure if I have asthma or whether I am hyperventilating. Sometimes I use my bronchodilator and take a Xanax to cover both possibilities. love Meryl Hello I have the same thing. Middle of the night i wake up and cant breathe. It was so bad one night that I just about called an ambulance. I have asthma and I’m not sure if the asthma constricting my breathing makes me panic, or if I’m just panicing and there is nothing wrong. Very Scary…… Hi I was wondering if there was anyone out there that faces the same problem I do, and if there is, please comment! I often feel like I have great difficulty breathing, and sometimes this leads to a panic attack, and sometimes it doesn’t. I don’t breathe particularly fast, and I’m not panting- I just feel like I can’t get any air in. It will get pretty bad for maybe 30 seconds, and then it will ease up a bit. This cycle can last for half an hour or more! I know it’s not a heart problem, and my skin doesn’t turn blue and I don’t wheeze. Sometimes I do feel a little light-headed, and if I’m scared enough it will lead to panicky feelings. But I have never fainted. I haven’t met anybody else with panic disorder before so I’m not sure if this is a typical symptom of anxiety or not. I’m not sure whether to get this checked out with a doctor, or to treat it as a symptom of panic disorder and work on it. Any help is appreciated! thanks That, along with shaking, is one of my biggest symptoms. Like you I don’t breathe all that fast, it’s more like I’m desperately trying to gulp in some air. Even though this is a symptom of panic disorder you still should see a doctor IMO, just to rule out any other possible causes. Teri <with a cold and a stuffy nose who *really* feels like she can’t get any air right now  

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Hi, I have had allergies for a lot longer than I have had anxiety, and yes I can smell the dust in some inside environments. Then again, when I am anxious I experience a strong urge to be outside in fresh air. Usually I can distinguish between allergic reactions and panic. love Meryl

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here again I relate. I have asthma and often think its the duct work that has dust. To me I can breath better outside then when my heating or central air is on . I had duct work done but most companies cannot possibly get all the areas inside cleaned or reached. Except when high ozone is up. Man, I am not sure I am as good as I thought I was. I can relate to everyone here? Can anyone smell the dust that causes asthma, I swear to you after I go into the park with clean air and come into the house I smell the dust and I think that triggers anxiety! Hi rabbit, I sometimes am not sure if I have asthma or whether I am hyperventilating. Sometimes I use my bronchodilator and take a Xanax to cover both possibilities. love Meryl Hello I have the same thing. Middle of the night i wake up and cant breathe. It was so bad one night that I just about called an ambulance. I have asthma and I’m not sure if the asthma constricting my breathing makes me panic, or if I’m just panicing and there is nothing wrong. Very Scary…… Hi I was wondering if there was anyone out there that faces the same problem I do, and if there is, please comment! I often feel like I have great difficulty breathing, and sometimes this leads to a panic attack, and sometimes it doesn’t. I don’t breathe particularly fast, and I’m not panting- I just feel like I can’t get any air in. It will get pretty bad for maybe 30 seconds, and then it will ease up a bit. This cycle can last for half an hour or more! I know it’s not a heart problem, and my skin doesn’t turn blue and I don’t wheeze. Sometimes I do feel a little light-headed, and if I’m scared enough it will lead to panicky feelings. But I have never fainted. I haven’t met anybody else with panic disorder before so I’m not sure if this is a typical symptom of anxiety or not. I’m not sure whether to get this checked out with a doctor, or to treat it as a symptom of panic disorder and work on it. Any help is appreciated! thanks That, along with shaking, is one of my biggest symptoms. Like you I don’t breathe all that fast, it’s more like I’m desperately trying to gulp in some air. Even though this is a symptom of panic disorder you still should see a doctor IMO, just to rule out any other possible causes. Teri <with a cold and a stuffy nose who *really* feels like she can’t get any air right now  

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Oo[ps sometimes I think the air inside the home triggers asthma  meant to say , not anxiety although if it happens enough, it will trigger anxiety also.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here again I relate. I have asthma and often think its the duct work that has dust. To me I can breath better outside then when my heating or central air is on . I had duct work done but most companies cannot possibly get all the areas inside cleaned or reached. Except when high ozone is up. Man, I am not sure I am as good as I thought I was. I can relate to everyone here? Can anyone smell the dust that causes asthma, I swear to you after I go into the park with clean air and come into the house I smell the dust and I think that triggers anxiety! Hi rabbit, I sometimes am not sure if I have asthma or whether I am hyperventilating. Sometimes I use my bronchodilator and take a Xanax to cover both possibilities. love Meryl Hello I have the same thing. Middle of the night i wake up and cant breathe. It was so bad one night that I just about called an ambulance. I have asthma and I’m not sure if the asthma constricting my breathing makes me panic, or if I’m just panicing and there is nothing wrong. Very Scary…… Hi I was wondering if there was anyone out there that faces the same problem I do, and if there is, please comment! I often feel like I have great difficulty breathing, and sometimes this leads to a panic attack, and sometimes it doesn’t. I don’t breathe particularly fast, and I’m not panting- I just feel like I can’t get any air in. It will get pretty bad for maybe 30 seconds, and then it will ease up a bit. This cycle can last for half an hour or more! I know it’s not a heart problem, and my skin doesn’t turn blue and I don’t wheeze. Sometimes I do feel a little light-headed, and if I’m scared enough it will lead to panicky feelings. But I have never fainted. I haven’t met anybody else with panic disorder before so I’m not sure if this is a typical symptom of anxiety or not. I’m not sure whether to get this checked out with a doctor, or to treat it as a symptom of panic disorder and work on it. Any help is appreciated! thanks That, along with shaking, is one of my biggest symptoms. Like you I don’t breathe all that fast, it’s more like I’m desperately trying to gulp in some air. Even though this is a symptom of panic disorder you still should see a doctor IMO, just to rule out any other possible causes. Teri <with a cold and a stuffy nose who *really* feels like she can’t get any air right now  

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||        I have often stuck my head in the freezer just to get some air in. Ummm, Vanessa?  Could you explain this therapeutic technique, please?

LOL – it’s just my way of tricking my brain into thinking it is getting some fresh air. Plus the distraction helps calm me down enough to get my breathing back in control. Vanessa

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Here again I relate. I have asthma and often think its the duct work that has dust. To me I can breath better outside then when my heating or central air is on . I had duct work done but most companies cannot possibly get all the areas inside cleaned or reached. Except when high ozone is up. Man, I am not sure I am as good as I thought I was. I can relate to everyone here? Can anyone smell the dust that causes asthma, I swear to you after I go into the park with clean air and come into the house I smell the dust and I think that triggers anxiety!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi rabbit, I sometimes am not sure if I have asthma or whether I am hyperventilating. Sometimes I use my bronchodilator and take a Xanax to cover both possibilities. love Meryl Hello I have the same thing. Middle of the night i wake up and cant breathe. It was so bad one night that I just about called an ambulance. I have asthma and I’m not sure if the asthma constricting my breathing makes me panic, or if I’m just panicing and there is nothing wrong. Very Scary…… Hi I was wondering if there was anyone out there that faces the same problem I do, and if there is, please comment! I often feel like I have great difficulty breathing, and sometimes this leads to a panic attack, and sometimes it doesn’t. I don’t breathe particularly fast, and I’m not panting- I just feel like I can’t get any air in. It will get pretty bad for maybe 30 seconds, and then it will ease up a bit. This cycle can last for half an hour or more! I know it’s not a heart problem, and my skin doesn’t turn blue and I don’t wheeze. Sometimes I do feel a little light-headed, and if I’m scared enough it will lead to panicky feelings. But I have never fainted. I haven’t met anybody else with panic disorder before so I’m not sure if this is a typical symptom of anxiety or not. I’m not sure whether to get this checked out with a doctor, or to treat it as a symptom of panic disorder and work on it. Any help is appreciated! thanks That, along with shaking, is one of my biggest symptoms. Like you I don’t breathe all that fast, it’s more like I’m desperately trying to gulp in some air. Even though this is a symptom of panic disorder you still should see a doctor IMO, just to rule out any other possible causes. Teri <with a cold and a stuffy nose who *really* feels like she can’t get any air right now  

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Hi rabbit, I sometimes am not sure if I have asthma or whether I am hyperventilating. Sometimes I use my bronchodilator and take a Xanax to cover both possibilities. love Meryl

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello I have the same thing. Middle of the night i wake up and cant breathe. It was so bad one night that I just about called an ambulance. I have asthma and I’m not sure if the asthma constricting my breathing makes me panic, or if I’m just panicing and there is nothing wrong. Very Scary…… Hi I was wondering if there was anyone out there that faces the same problem I do, and if there is, please comment! I often feel like I have great difficulty breathing, and sometimes this leads to a panic attack, and sometimes it doesn’t. I don’t breathe particularly fast, and I’m not panting- I just feel like I can’t get any air in. It will get pretty bad for maybe 30 seconds, and then it will ease up a bit. This cycle can last for half an hour or more! I know it’s not a heart problem, and my skin doesn’t turn blue and I don’t wheeze. Sometimes I do feel a little light-headed, and if I’m scared enough it will lead to panicky feelings. But I have never fainted. I haven’t met anybody else with panic disorder before so I’m not sure if this is a typical symptom of anxiety or not. I’m not sure whether to get this checked out with a doctor, or to treat it as a symptom of panic disorder and work on it. Any help is appreciated! thanks That, along with shaking, is one of my biggest symptoms. Like you I don’t breathe all that fast, it’s more like I’m desperately trying to gulp in some air. Even though this is a symptom of panic disorder you still should see a doctor IMO, just to rule out any other possible causes. Teri <with a cold and a stuffy nose who *really* feels like she can’t get any air right now  

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||        I have often stuck my head in the freezer just to get some air in. Ummm, Vanessa?  Could you explain this therapeutic technique, please?

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| Does anyone else get a little panicky | if they exert themselves more than usual and their heart rates go up | from exercising? No, not from the exertion itself, but I do seem to rebound (higher anxiety levels) afterwards, like the next day.  So I try to keep a steady level of physical activity.  Springtime is often when I feel it, because of yard activities after the winter layoff…. of course, with the weather this year it’s been hard to get started at all!

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Hi I was wondering if there was anyone out there that faces the same problem I do, and if there is, please comment! I often feel like I have great difficulty breathing, and sometimes this leads to a panic attack, and sometimes it doesn’t. I don’t breathe particularly fast, and I’m not panting- I just feel like I can’t get any air in. It will get pretty bad for maybe 30 seconds, and then it will ease up a bit. This cycle can last for half an hour or more! I know it’s not a heart problem, and my skin doesn’t turn blue and I don’t wheeze. Sometimes I do feel a little light-headed, and if I’m scared enough it will lead to panicky feelings. But I have never fainted. I haven’t met anybody else with panic disorder before so I’m not sure if this is a typical symptom of anxiety or not. I’m not sure whether to get this checked out with a doctor, or to treat it as a symptom of panic disorder and work on it. Any help is appreciated! thanks

Sounds like a symptom of panic IMHO. I do this quite often when I am feeling anxious. I have often stuck my head in the freezer just to get some air in. The more you are conscious of your difficulty in breathing the more it feed the anxiety and increases your chance of panicking. I can go from slight hyperventilation into chest pains and racing heart within minutes. Another trick to help is to breathe into a paper bag. It will help minimise the dizziness from over-breathing. If you can take deep cleansing breaths this will help also. Vanessa

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Sounds like hyperventilation, a common characteristic of panic attacks.   See http://www.emedicine.com/wild/topic31.htm You can use your search engine and find a few techniques for stopping them once they start (e.g., breathing exercises, reducing your oxygen intake, etc.).  Preventing them means learning how to reduce and manage your anxiety levels. Are you seeing a doctor or therapist for your panic disorder?

Thanks for your info, Figaro. Yes, I’m seeing a therapist and doing cognitive behavioural therapy, which has been great. It’s just easy for a therapist to say "oh, that’s just anxiety", so I wanted to hear the experiences of other panic disorder sufferers. The only reason that I thought that my breathing difficulty may not have been caused by hyperventilation was the fact that although I’m in good shape, sometimes I get really out of breath while going on walks. I wasn’t sure if it was another medical condition, or just the fact that getting slightly out of breath from the walking makes me nervous, and then I start to hyperventilate. Does anyone else get a little panicky if they exert themselves more than usual and their heart rates go up from exercising?

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Hello I have the same thing. Middle of the night i wake up and cant breathe. It was so bad one night that I just about called an ambulance. I have asthma and I’m not sure if the asthma constricting my breathing makes me panic, or if I’m just panicing and there is nothing wrong. Very Scary……

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi I was wondering if there was anyone out there that faces the same problem I do, and if there is, please comment! I often feel like I have great difficulty breathing, and sometimes this leads to a panic attack, and sometimes it doesn’t. I don’t breathe particularly fast, and I’m not panting- I just feel like I can’t get any air in. It will get pretty bad for maybe 30 seconds, and then it will ease up a bit. This cycle can last for half an hour or more! I know it’s not a heart problem, and my skin doesn’t turn blue and I don’t wheeze. Sometimes I do feel a little light-headed, and if I’m scared enough it will lead to panicky feelings. But I have never fainted. I haven’t met anybody else with panic disorder before so I’m not sure if this is a typical symptom of anxiety or not. I’m not sure whether to get this checked out with a doctor, or to treat it as a symptom of panic disorder and work on it. Any help is appreciated! thanks That, along with shaking, is one of my biggest symptoms. Like you I don’t breathe all that fast, it’s more like I’m desperately trying to gulp in some air. Even though this is a symptom of panic disorder you still should see a doctor IMO, just to rule out any other possible causes. Teri <with a cold and a stuffy nose who *really* feels like she can’t get any air right now  

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he has a book? How do you know?

Because he posted it either here or in a.s.d.

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Ok, thanks. See? I’m really diabetic, really am getting unpleasant boils, and not a random jerk! Would be pleased, though if I could say Not diabetic, Not getting boils but Yes to being a random jerk.

Ditto. Diabetes is enough but boils are the pits.

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Ok, thanks.

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Ok, thanks.

See? I’m really diabetic, really am getting unpleasant boils, and not a random jerk! Would be pleased, though if I could say Not diabetic, Not getting boils but Yes to being a random jerk.

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Is this so you can advertise your book some more? he has a book? How do you know?

He posted as an "infrequent poster" on alt.support.lupus, alt.support.crohns-colitis and this ng that he had a book out.

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Is this so you can advertise your book some more? he has a book? How do you know? He posted as an "infrequent poster" on alt.support.lupus, alt.support.crohns-colitis and this ng that he had a book out.

…and here some of them are: Newsgroups: alt.support.chronic-pain Dear Friends, "Dear Friends, I’ve been reading your very positive group for several months and have posted once or twice.  I want to let you know about my new book, "The Art of Getting Well: a Five-Step Plan for Maximizing Health When You Have a Chronic Illness."  The book is not selling anything or promising any magic cures, but does have a lot of inspiring stories from people with a variety of chronic conditions including chronic pain, and a lot of good advice on taking the best care and living the best life you possibly can.  You can check out excerpts and some critical raves from doctors and patients by clicking on the URL below. Accept my apologies for this somewhat commercial message.  You have a great group here, and I hope to get more involved in the future. — David Spero RN, BSN 415-585-9851    www.art-of-getting-well.com "Illness is the best teacher.  Awareness is the best medicine.  Self-care is the best care." Newsgroups: alt.support.lupusView this article only Dear Friends, I’ve been reading your very positive group for several months and have posted once or twice.  I want to let you know about my new book, "The Art of Getting Well: a Five-Step Plan for Maximizing Health When You Have a Chronic Illness."  The book is not selling anything or promising any magic cures, but does have a lot of inspiring stories from people with a variety of chronic conditions including lupus, and a lot of good advice on taking the best care and living the best life you possibly can.  You can check out excerpts and some critical raves from doctors and patients by clicking on the URL below. Accept my apologies for this somewhat commercial message.  You have a great group here, and I hope to get more involved in the future. — David Spero RN, BSN 415-585-9851    www.art-of-getting-well.com "Illness is the best teacher.  Awareness is the best medicine.  Self-care is the best care."

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Dear MHD Folks, Can anyone tell me of sites with diabetes-related chat?  I would like to participate.  Thanks in advance for any information you can provide.

Is this so you can advertise your book some more?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – From Guy Williams Many things are being accused in the current concern over increased diabetes. Has any work been done which could rule out current meds?. The ones I question is a class of blood pressure meds.of the chlorothiazide types. There was some articles in this area about 20 years ago. I was on Enduronyl when I was diagnosed as a diabetic.

I have heard that prolonged use of certain diuretics (like Lasix), often used to control blood pressure, have been linked to adult-onset DM2.

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Is this so you can advertise your book some more?

he has a book? How do you know?

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excellent reply HOWEVER, the WORST meal is STILL a tuna on toast with some potato chips.   AND, you are a little optimistic on what you think that people ate. In 1962 I worked as a  store manager then a district manager for a MacDonald clone before I went back to working for an insurance company – hey it paid better than an actuarial clerk..  The typical meal was TWO cheesburgers, fries and a shake or a soda (NOT diet, diet hadn’t been invented yet).  ANd the meat was higher in fat than today’s meat. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I didn’t say that fast food was low calorie, but it is not HIGHER in calories than food available before the MacDonald brothers even THOUGHT of doing business, and, today’s diet is general healthier than it used to be. Hi Ted – In the early 1960s at  McDonald’s , a typical meal there might have been a regular hamburger, a regular (now small) fries and a small soda or shake. Today a typical meal eaten probably has three to four times the calories such as a – Big Mac, large fries, and a large soda or shake.  It’s not just the burger business that has been increasing calorie intake.  The pizza market is huge as is the the fast-food ice-cream market.  Even now-popular Tex-Mex food piles on the high calorie (not to mention high carbo) meals. Gasoline stations are now almost all equiped with food stores or donut shops or fast-food outlets. The decade of the 60s was a decade of youth for many of today’s aging baby boomers and coincidentally these folks and the two generations behind them are experiencing the first waves of the T2 diabetes epidemic.  This week’s (4/29) USN&WR had a three page article on the T2 experiences from a 30 year-old, newly diagnosed, journalist. Are there other factors?  Yes.  There are more sedentary occupations and sedentary leisure activities.   Video cinema and TV, video gaming, and computing come to mind right off.  There is generally less required job-related physical activity.  Input (food) is on one side of the equation. The other side has output (exercise). Will other triggers be found?  Perhaps the environments of our office-spaces, schools, or public transportation have agents which trigger the disease? You also have NO reliable statistics showing ACTUAL increases, NO decent studies showing a cause – effect relationship with fast food, some reasonable indications that T2 is almost entirely genetic, and that T2 may CAUSE overeating, not the other way around. Even so, if the food energy isn’t used up, perhaps that’s the increasing problem these days? The whole thing looks very much like the low cholesterol diet hype – not only no evidence for it, and TONS of evidence AGAINST it., but MOST physicians bought into it for YEARS, some STILL do. True.   This bad science  may have driven up the DM ranks by the fad to replace fat with even more carbs! I am not claiming that these things defiantly do NOT exist, just that there is NO EVIDENCE, and so should be labeled as far out theories with little basis, not facts. It’s theories that may lead to better lifestyle management.  Eating better and better overall fitness couldn’t hurt.  If more non-diabetics worked just a little bit harder at over-all fitness programs and paid a little more attention to well-balanced and moderate diets, then perhaps more and more could avoid having to work a whole lot harder at it as diabetics.  The fitness and dietary programs do appear to help T2s control the beast.  Will some get the dreaded DX no matter what?  Probably so, but perhaps far fewer, hopefully much later in life, and maybe with less severity.  Do I know for sure?  No, but how could it hurt? Kosta T2 12/2002

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There is an "official" chatroom associated with alt.support.diabetes. It requires an IRC client and is on the zerolimit.net network. The channel name is #diabeticnet. For more information visit http://www.diabeticnet.com . You can get the IRC software at http://www.zerolimit.net/files/zl-mirc.exe Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear MHD Folks, Can anyone tell me of sites with diabetes-related chat?  I would like to participate.  Thanks in advance for any information you can provide. Take care,

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Dear MHD Folks, Can anyone tell me of sites with diabetes-related chat?  I would like to participate.  Thanks in advance for any information you can provide. Take care, — David Spero RN, BSN 415-585-9851    www.art-of-getting-well.com "Illness is the best teacher.  Awareness is the best medicine.  Self-care is the best care."

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ted, Perhaps what I said doesn’t accurately describe you. However the generalizations DO fit what we are seeing as a typical lifestyle now. As far as fast food being low calorie, well, I suppose if you ate just 10 french fries that would be low calorie. But folks are "Super Sizing" their meals.They don’t eat one Big Mac, they eat two, plus super size the fries and Coke. The bottom line is that people are eating far in excess what they burn up in calories. And they are doing it at a very young age. I’m just the messenger here.  So don’t shoot me ! William C Biggs MD

Awful glad to see it isn’t just me and my little old MT that is getting shot for this message Doc.  :)  Great post.  Apparently it is very hard for some folks to accept that the medical and scientific communities and the National Institute of Health do have some vague idea of what we are talking about when this gets said.

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I didn’t say that fast food was low calorie, but it is not HIGHER in calories than food available before the MacDonald brothers even THOUGHT of doing business, and, today’s diet is general healthier than it used to be.

Hi Ted – In the early 1960s at  McDonald’s , a typical meal there might have been a regular hamburger, a regular (now small) fries and a small soda or shake. Today a typical meal eaten probably has three to four times the calories such as a – Big Mac, large fries, and a large soda or shake.  It’s not just the burger business that has been increasing calorie intake.  The pizza market is huge as is the the fast-food ice-cream market.  Even now-popular Tex-Mex food piles on the high calorie (not to mention high carbo) meals. Gasoline stations are now almost all equiped with food stores or donut shops or fast-food outlets. The decade of the 60s was a decade of youth for many of today’s aging baby boomers and coincidentally these folks and the two generations behind them are experiencing the first waves of the T2 diabetes epidemic.  This week’s (4/29) USN&WR had a three page article on the T2 experiences from a 30 year-old, newly diagnosed, journalist. Are there other factors?  Yes.  There are more sedentary occupations and sedentary leisure activities.   Video cinema and TV, video gaming, and computing come to mind right off.  There is generally less required job-related physical activity.  Input (food) is on one side of the equation. The other side has output (exercise). Will other triggers be found?  Perhaps the environments of our office-spaces, schools, or public transportation have agents which trigger the disease? You also have NO reliable statistics showing ACTUAL increases, NO decent studies showing a cause – effect relationship with fast food, some reasonable indications that T2 is almost entirely genetic, and that T2 may CAUSE overeating, not the other way around.

Even so, if the food energy isn’t used up, perhaps that’s the increasing problem these days? The whole thing looks very much like the low cholesterol diet hype – not only no evidence for it, and TONS of evidence AGAINST it., but MOST physicians bought into it for YEARS, some STILL do.

True.   This bad science  may have driven up the DM ranks by the fad to replace fat with even more carbs! I am not claiming that these things defiantly do NOT exist, just that there is NO EVIDENCE, and so should be labeled as far out theories with little basis, not facts.

It’s theories that may lead to better lifestyle management.  Eating better and better overall fitness couldn’t hurt.  If more non-diabetics worked just a little bit harder at over-all fitness programs and paid a little more attention to well-balanced and moderate diets, then perhaps more and more could avoid having to work a whole lot harder at it as diabetics.  The fitness and dietary programs do appear to help T2s control the beast.  Will some get the dreaded DX no matter what?  Probably so, but perhaps far fewer, hopefully much later in life, and maybe with less severity.  Do I know for sure?  No, but how could it hurt? Kosta T2 12/2002

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I didn’t say that fast food was low calorie, but it is not HIGHER in calories than food available before the MacDonald brothers even THOUGHT of doing business, and, today’s diet is general healthier than it used to be. You also have NO reliable statistics showing ACTUAL increases, NO decent studies showing a cause – effect relationship with fast food, some reasonable indications that T2 is almost entirely genetic, and that T2 may CAUSE overeating, not the other way around. The whole thing looks very much like the low cholesterol diet hype – not only no evidence for it, and TONS of evidence AGAINST it., but MOST physicians bought into it for YEARS, some STILL do. I am not claiming that these things defiantly do NOT exist, just that there is NO EVIDENCE, and so should be labeled as far out theories with little basis, not facts. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ted, Perhaps what I said doesn’t accurately describe you. However the generalizations DO fit what we are seeing as a typical lifestyle now. As far as fast food being low calorie, well, I suppose if you ate just 10 french fries that would be low calorie. But folks are "Super Sizing" their meals.They don’t eat one Big Mac, they eat two, plus super size the fries and Coke. The bottom line is that people are eating far in excess what they burn up in calories. And they are doing it at a very young age. I’m just the messenger here.  So don’t shoot me ! William C Biggs MD I have LOTS of problems with this standard statement, which is AWASH with inaccuracies. FIRST: "Fast food" has LESS fat and LESS calories than what we used to eat. The worst fat meal is a tuna salad on toast with mayo !! NOT a "big Mac", and you are MUCH too young to remember that french fries used to be DRIPPING in fat, or "coddies" – basically a potato and fat cake were the staple of an after school snack – washed down with those little bottles of sugar syrup, and maybe some walnuttos. For dinner, pan fried chicken with white gravy made from drippings  and flour, or maybe a nice fat pot roast of brisket with potatoes and carrots, and any vegetables cooked so much that they almost disintegrated. – ALWAYS a nice sweet desert. SECOND: with the demise of decent mass transit systems in the 50’s many of us end up walking MORE, not less.  when I went to Jr High school, I got a ride there with my father, but came back by trolley.  The trolley stopped running in 1956.  My daughter used to take a buss home from class, and walk over a mile from another buss line, because to get directly to the house by bus took 2 HOURS more. THIRD: MOST of the "epidemic" is caused by better diagnosis and standards. FOURTH: It wasn’t long ago that BY DEFINITION, all juveniles were T1’s, and many physicians STILL don’t realize that children can have Type 2. "18 and under = type 1", so it is not surprising that we are finding juvenile T2’s now that we realize they exist. Obviously, eating less and (even more important) exercising more is a good thing.  There are NO credible reproducible studies which show that fat, per se, is bad for you – other than the calories are more compact in fats than in many foods, and it is easier to overeat. As to the "epidemic", until some attempt is made to adjust for the differences in measurement, there is no way to know if an increase actually exists, or to quantify it.  THEN, comes the question of why? We KNOW we have an "epidemic" of asthma, and we have significant DECREASES in most factors most people think causes asthma.  The claims about lifestyle and diabetes are totally unscientific.  They MAY be true, but the current claims are not much better than those of Bernstein, Atkins, Weil, and Solomon. I am NOT saying that one does NOT exist, but it is anecdotal, and the causes are anecdotal, and I don’t like repeating anecdotes without proof. Guy, There are probably a host of factors.  Most people with DM have never seen a thiazide. The biggest factor still seems to be lifestyle. What we do, and how we do it has changed over the decades. Jobs of all kinds are more mechanized and sedentary than they were 20 – 40 years ago. We sit at the computer or watch TV rather than have physical exercise/play to burn calories. What we eat and how we eat it has changed as well. We eat more fast food , and we eat out more than ever. When we eat out, we eat more. We eat in our cars. We pick up dinner on the way home from work.  Fast foods tend to be higher fat and higher calories. This has resulted in a change in our weight and where we wear it. We are more fat, and have more central obesity now. A big chest on a man used to be from big pectoral and shoulder muscles. Now it’s from more breast tissue and a big gut. We know that there are interventions that work to reverse early type 2 diabetes. The one that is the most effective is the one that is the hardest to do – " intensive lifestyle modification ". Most people wish there was just a pill they could take.  The hardest part of my job is motivating people to modify their diet & exercise in a meaningful way. One of the things that drives me nuts is what we are teaching our children. Our local school system sold out to Coca-Cola for $15 million to have the right to put Coke machines everywhere. Even in the elementary school cafeterias. I’ve met personally with the superintendent, shown him the stats on the current epidemic, and how many type 2 CHILDREN we are starting to see. He seemed unmoved, and said it was only year 4 on a 15 year contract. The state of Texas is making a little progress. They made PE a requirement again in elementary school so the kids will get some minimum amount of exercise. I would tell everyone they need to be an activist. Push PE, sports and exercise on your kids and schools. Don’t let your schools sign up with Coke or Pepsi for machines all over your schools. Set a good example as far as eating habits beginning in early childhood. Push Congress to continue to fund diabetes research for cures for both Type 1 and Type 2. It’s human nature to look for something easy to blame for the epidemic. But we seem to have found the cause, and it is we. As a footnote, the statistics continue to get worse on this epidemic. At the same time, the numbers of docs choosing to specialize in endocrinology is falling. As it is, endos take care of 8% of those with diabetes. Look for that number to continue to fall. As far as fixing the endo shortage, I see no end in sight, and have no immediate suggestion for how to fix that. It’s a free country, and we allow docs to choose their own specialty.  We are about to a point where we are having more endos retire than new endos trained. The short term fix will probably be more DM education for general internists, and use more physician extenders like nurse practitioners and physician assistants in endo practices. William C Biggs MD From Guy Williams Many things are being accused in the current concern over increased diabetes. Has any work been done which could rule out current meds?. The ones I question is a class of blood pressure meds.of the chlorothiazide types. There was some articles in this area about 20 years ago. I was on Enduronyl when I was diagnosed as a diabetic.

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Ted, Perhaps what I said doesn’t accurately describe you. However the generalizations DO fit what we are seeing as a typical lifestyle now. As far as fast food being low calorie, well, I suppose if you ate just 10 french fries that would be low calorie. But folks are "Super Sizing" their meals.They don’t eat one Big Mac, they eat two, plus super size the fries and Coke. The bottom line is that people are eating far in excess what they burn up in calories. And they are doing it at a very young age. I’m just the messenger here.  So don’t shoot me ! William C Biggs MD

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have LOTS of problems with this standard statement, which is AWASH with inaccuracies. FIRST: "Fast food" has LESS fat and LESS calories than what we used to eat. The worst fat meal is a tuna salad on toast with mayo !! NOT a "big Mac", and you are MUCH too young to remember that french fries used to be DRIPPING in fat, or "coddies" – basically a potato and fat cake were the staple of an after school snack – washed down with those little bottles of sugar syrup, and maybe some walnuttos. For dinner, pan fried chicken with white gravy made from drippings  and flour, or maybe a nice fat pot roast of brisket with potatoes and carrots, and any vegetables cooked so much that they almost disintegrated. – ALWAYS a nice sweet desert. SECOND: with the demise of decent mass transit systems in the 50’s many of us end up walking MORE, not less.  when I went to Jr High school, I got a ride there with my father, but came back by trolley.  The trolley stopped running in 1956.  My daughter used to take a buss home from class, and walk over a mile from another buss line, because to get directly to the house by bus took 2 HOURS more. THIRD: MOST of the "epidemic" is caused by better diagnosis and standards. FOURTH: It wasn’t long ago that BY DEFINITION, all juveniles were T1’s, and many physicians STILL don’t realize that children can have Type 2. "18 and under = type 1", so it is not surprising that we are finding juvenile T2’s now that we realize they exist. Obviously, eating less and (even more important) exercising more is a good thing.  There are NO credible reproducible studies which show that fat, per se, is bad for you – other than the calories are more compact in fats than in many foods, and it is easier to overeat. As to the "epidemic", until some attempt is made to adjust for the differences in measurement, there is no way to know if an increase actually exists, or to quantify it.  THEN, comes the question of why? We KNOW we have an "epidemic" of asthma, and we have significant DECREASES in most factors most people think causes asthma.  The claims about lifestyle and diabetes are totally unscientific.  They MAY be true, but the current claims are not much better than those of Bernstein, Atkins, Weil, and Solomon. I am NOT saying that one does NOT exist, but it is anecdotal, and the causes are anecdotal, and I don’t like repeating anecdotes without proof. Guy, There are probably a host of factors.  Most people with DM have never seen a thiazide. The biggest factor still seems to be lifestyle. What we do, and how we do it has changed over the decades. Jobs of all kinds are more mechanized and sedentary than they were 20 – 40 years ago. We sit at the computer or watch TV rather than have physical exercise/play to burn calories. What we eat and how we eat it has changed as well. We eat more fast food , and we eat out more than ever. When we eat out, we eat more. We eat in our cars. We pick up dinner on the way home from work.  Fast foods tend to be higher fat and higher calories. This has resulted in a change in our weight and where we wear it. We are more fat, and have more central obesity now. A big chest on a man used to be from big pectoral and shoulder muscles. Now it’s from more breast tissue and a big gut. We know that there are interventions that work to reverse early type 2 diabetes. The one that is the most effective is the one that is the hardest to do – " intensive lifestyle modification ". Most people wish there was just a pill they could take.  The hardest part of my job is motivating people to modify their diet & exercise in a meaningful way. One of the things that drives me nuts is what we are teaching our children. Our local school system sold out to Coca-Cola for $15 million to have the right to put Coke machines everywhere. Even in the elementary school cafeterias. I’ve met personally with the superintendent, shown him the stats on the current epidemic, and how many type 2 CHILDREN we are starting to see. He seemed unmoved, and said it was only year 4 on a 15 year contract. The state of Texas is making a little progress. They made PE a requirement again in elementary school so the kids will get some minimum amount of exercise. I would tell everyone they need to be an activist. Push PE, sports and exercise on your kids and schools. Don’t let your schools sign up with Coke or Pepsi for machines all over your schools. Set a good example as far as eating habits beginning in early childhood. Push Congress to continue to fund diabetes research for cures for both Type 1 and Type 2. It’s human nature to look for something easy to blame for the epidemic. But we seem to have found the cause, and it is we. As a footnote, the statistics continue to get worse on this epidemic. At the same time, the numbers of docs choosing to specialize in endocrinology is falling. As it is, endos take care of 8% of those with diabetes. Look for that number to continue to fall. As far as fixing the endo shortage, I see no end in sight, and have no immediate suggestion for how to fix that. It’s a free country, and we allow docs to choose their own specialty.  We are about to a point where we are having more endos retire than new endos trained. The short term fix will probably be more DM education for general internists, and use more physician extenders like nurse practitioners and physician assistants in endo practices. William C Biggs MD From Guy Williams Many things are being accused in the current concern over increased diabetes. Has any work been done which could rule out current meds?. The ones I question is a class of blood pressure meds.of the chlorothiazide types. There was some articles in this area about 20 years ago. I was on Enduronyl when I was diagnosed as a diabetic.

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From Guy Williams Many things are being accused in the current concern over increased diabetes. Has any work been done which could rule out current meds?. The ones I question is a class of blood pressure meds.of the chlorothiazide types.

This has always been listed as raising bg and sometimes bringing on clinical diabetes. I believe it did this in my case.  However, by present standards, I would have been diagnosed diabetic many years before. There was some articles in this area about 20 years ago. I was on Enduronyl when I was diagnosed as a diabetic.  Everything I read about T2 origins indicates that the pandemic Doc Biggs warns of can be explained by fatty diets and sedentary lifestyles.  

This is totally unclear, although it is probably partially correct.  The changing of the criterion from fbg of 140 to 126 may well account for a good part of it.  We are finding Type 2 diabetes in younger people, including pre-teens, and at levels which would not have even been noticed 20 years ago. They would have been called Type 1 if detected at all. There also has been immigration and other types of population increase in those ethnic groups which seem to have a higher genetic incidence. Historians may name it the McDonald’s Pandemic.

Someone on the mailing list pointed out that at one time the recommendation for school lunches was a minimum of 1000 calories, and preferably 1500. It is only recently that there has been that much of a public concern with weight of non-adults.  However, new meds and/or our exposure to novel allergens (enzymes in laundry detergent, emissions from new-type building materials, "toxic" buildings, mold in modern "tight" houses, etc, etc, ) could be triggering Type 1 auto-immune episodes.

The large number and variety of vaccinations is also given as a possible cause of Type 1.  For a vaccination to be effective, it MUST produce an immune response.  Regards Old Al (T1 since ‘94, 45 units H + U via 4 injections daily)    A retired engineer who shares his experiences

– This address is for information only.  I do not claim that these views are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University. Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399

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<delurk on I would like to add a comment on this subject.  I just saw a thread on the effect of steroids on diabetes.  While in Calgary, AB, I was developing asthma like symptoms due to the dry dustiness of the city.  The medication they put me on there was "prednisone", an oral steroid.  It was not until this time that I started showing any diabetic symptoms. So, the upshot of this is, not only are more accurate diagnoses seeming to contribute to a diabetic epidemic, it is entirely possible that the side effects of some of the medications that we are on actually contribute to different ailments. For example – one medication advertised on TV for a breathing problem lists "headache, flu-like symptoms and diarhea" among its’ side effects. Sometimes, the cure is worse than the disease… Fred.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – From Guy Williams Many things are being accused in the current concern over increased diabetes. Has any work been done which could rule out current meds?. The ones I question is a class of blood pressure meds.of the chlorothiazide types. There was some articles in this area about 20 years ago. I was on Enduronyl when I was diagnosed as a diabetic.

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As a footnote, the statistics continue to get worse on this epidemic. At the same time, the numbers of docs choosing to specialize in endocrinology is falling. As it is, endos take care of 8% of those with diabetes. Look for that number to continue to fall.

Why do you think doctors are going into other specialities? And at what point do you think someone needs to see an endocrinologist?  I’ve been diagnosed with diabetes for about a year now and have been cared for by a family physician.  I feel like I’m getting excellent care; he seems to be on top of everything that I read should be done.  As long as I’m getting good daily readings and A1c’s (the latest was 5.7), and he’s watching blood pressure, cholesterol, and kidney function, is there a reason I’d need a specialist?  

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I have LOTS of problems with this standard statement, which is AWASH with inaccuracies. FIRST: "Fast food" has LESS fat and LESS calories than what we used to eat. The worst fat meal is a tuna salad on toast with mayo !! NOT a "big Mac", and you are MUCH too young to remember that french fries used to be DRIPPING in fat, or "coddies" – basically a potato and fat cake were the staple of an after school snack – washed down with those little bottles of sugar syrup, and maybe some walnuttos. For dinner, pan fried chicken with white gravy made from drippings  and flour, or maybe a nice fat pot roast of brisket with potatoes and carrots, and any vegetables cooked so much that they almost disintegrated. – ALWAYS a nice sweet desert. SECOND: with the demise of decent mass transit systems in the 50’s many of us end up walking MORE, not less.  when I went to Jr High school, I got a ride there with my father, but came back by trolley.  The trolley stopped running in 1956.  My daughter used to take a buss home from class, and walk over a mile from another buss line, because to get directly to the house by bus took 2 HOURS more. THIRD: MOST of the "epidemic" is caused by better diagnosis and standards. FOURTH: It wasn’t long ago that BY DEFINITION, all juveniles were T1’s, and many physicians STILL don’t realize that children can have Type 2. "18 and under = type 1", so it is not surprising that we are finding juvenile T2’s now that we realize they exist. Obviously, eating less and (even more important) exercising more is a good thing.  There are NO credible reproducible studies which show that fat, per se, is bad for you – other than the calories are more compact in fats than in many foods, and it is easier to overeat. As to the "epidemic", until some attempt is made to adjust for the differences in measurement, there is no way to know if an increase actually exists, or to quantify it.  THEN, comes the question of why? We KNOW we have an "epidemic" of asthma, and we have significant DECREASES in most factors most people think causes asthma.  The claims about lifestyle and diabetes are totally unscientific.  They MAY be true, but the current claims are not much better than those of Bernstein, Atkins, Weil, and Solomon. I am NOT saying that one does NOT exist, but it is anecdotal, and the causes are anecdotal, and I don’t like repeating anecdotes without proof. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Guy, There are probably a host of factors.  Most people with DM have never seen a thiazide. The biggest factor still seems to be lifestyle. What we do, and how we do it has changed over the decades. Jobs of all kinds are more mechanized and sedentary than they were 20 – 40 years ago. We sit at the computer or watch TV rather than have physical exercise/play to burn calories. What we eat and how we eat it has changed as well. We eat more fast food , and we eat out more than ever. When we eat out, we eat more. We eat in our cars. We pick up dinner on the way home from work.  Fast foods tend to be higher fat and higher calories. This has resulted in a change in our weight and where we wear it. We are more fat, and have more central obesity now. A big chest on a man used to be from big pectoral and shoulder muscles. Now it’s from more breast tissue and a big gut. We know that there are interventions that work to reverse early type 2 diabetes. The one that is the most effective is the one that is the hardest to do – " intensive lifestyle modification ". Most people wish there was just a pill they could take.  The hardest part of my job is motivating people to modify their diet & exercise in a meaningful way. One of the things that drives me nuts is what we are teaching our children. Our local school system sold out to Coca-Cola for $15 million to have the right to put Coke machines everywhere. Even in the elementary school cafeterias. I’ve met personally with the superintendent, shown him the stats on the current epidemic, and how many type 2 CHILDREN we are starting to see. He seemed unmoved, and said it was only year 4 on a 15 year contract. The state of Texas is making a little progress. They made PE a requirement again in elementary school so the kids will get some minimum amount of exercise. I would tell everyone they need to be an activist. Push PE, sports and exercise on your kids and schools. Don’t let your schools sign up with Coke or Pepsi for machines all over your schools. Set a good example as far as eating habits beginning in early childhood. Push Congress to continue to fund diabetes research for cures for both Type 1 and Type 2. It’s human nature to look for something easy to blame for the epidemic. But we seem to have found the cause, and it is we. As a footnote, the statistics continue to get worse on this epidemic. At the same time, the numbers of docs choosing to specialize in endocrinology is falling. As it is, endos take care of 8% of those with diabetes. Look for that number to continue to fall. As far as fixing the endo shortage, I see no end in sight, and have no immediate suggestion for how to fix that. It’s a free country, and we allow docs to choose their own specialty.  We are about to a point where we are having more endos retire than new endos trained. The short term fix will probably be more DM education for general internists, and use more physician extenders like nurse practitioners and physician assistants in endo practices. William C Biggs MD From Guy Williams Many things are being accused in the current concern over increased diabetes. Has any work been done which could rule out current meds?. The ones I question is a class of blood pressure meds.of the chlorothiazide types. There was some articles in this area about 20 years ago. I was on Enduronyl when I was diagnosed as a diabetic.

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Guy, There are probably a host of factors.  Most people with DM have never seen a thiazide. The biggest factor still seems to be lifestyle. What we do, and how we do it has changed over the decades. Jobs of all kinds are more mechanized and sedentary than they were 20 – 40 years ago. We sit at the computer or watch TV rather than have physical exercise/play to burn calories.

On Saturday my wife hires a high school freshman to help her. Yesterday I l;ooked at him and it sure supports exactly what you say. My wife does sub work in  school cafeterias and she says the kids throw the served food in the garbage except for a couple of goodies.  Then they go to the vending machines. I am a bit biased since I never fit the profile of the typical diabetic.  So I question things. You comments are taken seriously by me. Another comment is that when I went to high school I receive a dime to buy lunch.  That bought a moon pie and a six ounce soda.  Then I was skin and bones. Was I setting my self up then for later events? I would like to see a broad discussion with many aspects of our problem discussed.  Irrational arguments may be good entertainment but little else. Thanks  for a good post.                                 Guy

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says… From Guy Williams Many things are being accused in the current concern over increased diabetes. Has any work been done which could rule out current meds?.

There is some interesting new research being carried out concerning fat cells. Apparently an enzyme has been detected in fat cells that can increase insulin resistance. Looking at this factor could have implications for treatment and even prevention of type 2 diabetes with a whole new approach. Ratty — flying.rat at btclick.com

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Guy, There are probably a host of factors.  Most people with DM have never seen a thiazide. The biggest factor still seems to be lifestyle. What we do, and how we do it has changed over the decades. Jobs of all kinds are more mechanized and sedentary than they were 20 – 40 years ago. We sit at the computer or watch TV rather than have physical exercise/play to burn calories. What we eat and how we eat it has changed as well. We eat more fast food , and we eat out more than ever. When we eat out, we eat more. We eat in our cars. We pick up dinner on the way home from work.  Fast foods tend to be higher fat and higher calories. This has resulted in a change in our weight and where we wear it. We are more fat, and have more central obesity now. A big chest on a man used to be from big pectoral and shoulder muscles. Now it’s from more breast tissue and a big gut. We know that there are interventions that work to reverse early type 2 diabetes. The one that is the most effective is the one that is the hardest to do – " intensive lifestyle modification ". Most people wish there was just a pill they could take.  The hardest part of my job is motivating people to modify their diet & exercise in a meaningful way. One of the things that drives me nuts is what we are teaching our children. Our local school system sold out to Coca-Cola for $15 million to have the right to put Coke machines everywhere. Even in the elementary school cafeterias. I’ve met personally with the superintendent, shown him the stats on the current epidemic, and how many type 2 CHILDREN we are starting to see. He seemed unmoved, and said it was only year 4 on a 15 year contract. The state of Texas is making a little progress. They made PE a requirement again in elementary school so the kids will get some minimum amount of exercise. I would tell everyone they need to be an activist. Push PE, sports and exercise on your kids and schools. Don’t let your schools sign up with Coke or Pepsi for machines all over your schools. Set a good example as far as eating habits beginning in early childhood. Push Congress to continue to fund diabetes research for cures for both Type 1 and Type 2. It’s human nature to look for something easy to blame for the epidemic. But we seem to have found the cause, and it is we. As a footnote, the statistics continue to get worse on this epidemic. At the same time, the numbers of docs choosing to specialize in endocrinology is falling. As it is, endos take care of 8% of those with diabetes. Look for that number to continue to fall. As far as fixing the endo shortage, I see no end in sight, and have no immediate suggestion for how to fix that. It’s a free country, and we allow docs to choose their own specialty.  We are about to a point where we are having more endos retire than new endos trained. The short term fix will probably be more DM education for general internists, and use more physician extenders like nurse practitioners and physician assistants in endo practices. William C Biggs MD

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – From Guy Williams Many things are being accused in the current concern over increased diabetes. Has any work been done which could rule out current meds?. The ones I question is a class of blood pressure meds.of the chlorothiazide types. There was some articles in this area about 20 years ago. I was on Enduronyl when I was diagnosed as a diabetic.

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From Guy Williams Many things are being accused in the current concern over increased diabetes. Has any work been done which could rule out current meds?. The ones I question is a class of blood pressure meds.of the chlorothiazide types. There was some articles in this area about 20 years ago. I was on Enduronyl when I was diagnosed as a diabetic.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – From Guy Williams Many things are being accused in the current concern over increased diabetes. Has any work been done which could rule out current meds?. The ones I question is a class of blood pressure meds.of the chlorothiazide types. There was some articles in this area about 20 years ago. I was on Enduronyl when I was diagnosed as a diabetic.

  Everything I read about T2 origins indicates that the pandemic  Doc Biggs warns of can be explained by fatty diets and  sedentary lifestyles.    Historians may name it the McDonald’s Pandemic.   However, new meds and/or our exposure to novel allergens  (enzymes in laundry detergent, emissions from new-type building  materials, "toxic" buildings, mold in modern "tight" houses,  etc, etc, ) could be triggering Type 1 auto-immune episodes.   Regards Old Al (T1 since ‘94, 45 units H + U via 4 injections daily)     A retired engineer who shares his experiences

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There is no evidence that running actually causes asthma, but rougly 15 percent of people have exercise induced asthma; Many of these don’t even know that they have asthma, as it only shows up during exercise and has neven been diagnosed as asthma.

Running triggers the asthma that’s already there. Second-hand smoke (among other poisons in the air and environment) causes it, as well as lung cancer.  And it will bring it back if it had not been there since infancy or childhood.  The cause and effect is too direct to require the need for evidence, as least as far as I’m concerned.  I’m speaking directly from first hand experience.

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It might be just a one of thing due to the cold air and nothing to worry about but if it persist I advice you go to your doctor and get it checked out. I didn’t get asthma till I was 28 but still run and cycle and climb ok. Dave.o

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe a stupid question, but I was just running tonight for about an hour and towards the end, on the last hill, my chest/throat kind of seized up it felt like asthma, but I have never had asthma so I couldn’t tell you for sure. It was a cool night, maybe in the 40’s. I just wanted to know what happened to me. It was kind of scary, I am in good shape. I do not smoke or anything. htanks for the advice. BTW I am 17 years old and 6 months, 5′7 145lbs 8%bodyfat

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There is no evidence that running actually causes asthma, but rougly 15 percent of people have exercise induced asthma; Many of these don’t even know that they have asthma, as it only shows up during exercise and has neven been diagnosed as asthma.  Often only an asthma/allergy specialist can determine the presence of exercise induced asthma (EIA). That being said, your symtoms would seem to imply something else.  EIA is most commonly triggered by about 15 minutes of moderate/strenuous exercise, and while it is made worse by cold, true asthma will present symptoms when it is warm as well. Some people who do not have asthma at all can have bronchospasms triggered simply by the cold; If you are one of these people, taking an antihistamine like benedryl before running will greatly improve the problem. If an antihistamine does not improve the problem, you should see an MD a get tested. Lyndon "Speed Kills.  It kills those that don’t have it" –Brooks Johnson

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Or, it may be temporary cold-induced asthma. Was it your first run of the season in cold weather? I usually wheeze a bit when the cold weather first hits, then I get used to it and have no more troubles. –On Monday, December 10, 2001 3:18 AM +0000 Alex Jones – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It may be exercise induced asthma.  Two years ago (same age as you are now), I was diagnosed with exercise induced asthma.  I started using inhalers to control it whenever I ran/biked/swam/rollerbladed or windsurfed hard.  I immediately dropped 1 minute from my 5k.  The best thing to do would be to talk to a doctor, or an asthma specialist if you can. Good luck Alex Maybe a stupid question, but I was just running tonight for about an hour and towards the end, on the last hill, my chest/throat kind of seized up it felt like asthma, but I have never had asthma so I couldn’t tell you for sure. It was a cool night, maybe in the 40’s. I just wanted to know what happened to me. It was kind of scary, I am in good shape. I do not smoke or anything. htanks for the advice. BTW I am 17 years old and 6 months, 5′7 145lbs 8%bodyfat

Leah Kauffman Managing Editor, Genetics Mellon Institute, Box I 4400 Fifth Avenue Pittsburgh, PA  15213 tel 412-268-1812 fax 412-268-1813 www.genetics.org

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Hard running in cold (espec cold, dry) air can do it for a lot of people.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It may be exercise induced asthma.  Two years ago (same age as you are now), I was diagnosed with exercise induced asthma.  I started using inhalers to control it whenever I ran/biked/swam/rollerbladed or windsurfed hard.  I immediately dropped 1 minute from my 5k.  The best thing to do would be to talk to a doctor, or an asthma specialist if you can. Good luck Alex Maybe a stupid question, but I was just running tonight for about an hour and towards the end, on the last hill, my chest/throat kind of seized up it felt like asthma, but I have never had asthma so I couldn’t tell you for sure. It was a cool night, maybe in the 40’s. I just wanted to know what happened to me. It was kind of scary, I am in good shape. I do not smoke or anything. htanks for the advice. BTW I am 17 years old and 6 months, 5′7 145lbs 8%bodyfat

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Maybe a stupid question, but I was just running tonight for about an hour and towards the end, on the last hill, my chest/throat kind of seized up it felt like asthma, but I have never had asthma so I couldn’t tell you for sure. It was a cool night, maybe in the 40’s. I just wanted to know what happened to me. It was kind of scary, I am in good shape. I do not smoke or anything. htanks for the advice. BTW I am 17 years old and 6 months, 5′7 145lbs 8%bodyfat

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It may be exercise induced asthma.  Two years ago (same age as you are now), I was diagnosed with exercise induced asthma.  I started using inhalers to control it whenever I ran/biked/swam/rollerbladed or windsurfed hard.  I immediately dropped 1 minute from my 5k.  The best thing to do would be to talk to a doctor, or an asthma specialist if you can. Good luck Alex

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe a stupid question, but I was just running tonight for about an hour and towards the end, on the last hill, my chest/throat kind of seized up it felt like asthma, but I have never had asthma so I couldn’t tell you for sure. It was a cool night, maybe in the 40’s. I just wanted to know what happened to me. It was kind of scary, I am in good shape. I do not smoke or anything. htanks for the advice. BTW I am 17 years old and 6 months, 5′7 145lbs 8%bodyfat

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I am am having difficulty getting my asthma back under control. I am looking for lay/technical info on all newer drugs so I can have an informed discussion next time I go to see my doc. Also any well grounded information on complementary medecine and lifestyle stuff. I am on 50 mg prednisolone, plus flucanosate, serevent, ventolin, theophylline, pretty much the works and breathing  is only so-so ie about 230 on flow meter. Any. help, info, useful websites will be gratefully recieved, Thanks, Andrew Blake

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: I am am having difficulty getting my asthma back under control. I am looking : for lay/technical info on all newer drugs so I can have an informed : discussion next time I go to see my doc. Also any well grounded information : on complementary medecine and lifestyle stuff. : I am on 50 mg prednisolone, plus flucanosate, serevent, ventolin, : theophylline, pretty much the works and breathing  is only so-so ie about : 230 on flow meter. : Any. help, info, useful websites will be gratefully recieved, : Thanks, Andrew Blake Can you find any triggers to avoid? If you have been on the predisone very long you need to be taking stuff to prevent osteoporosis and having bone scans done. Good luck — Gordon    W5RED www.couger.com/gcouger "You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take."   – Wayne Gretzky

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I am am having difficulty getting my asthma back under control. I am looking for lay/technical info on all newer drugs so I can have an informed discussion next time I go to see my doc. Also any well grounded information on complementary medecine and lifestyle stuff. I am on 50 mg prednisolone, plus flucanosate, serevent, ventolin, theophylline, pretty much the works and breathing  is only so-so ie about 230 on flow meter. Any. help, info, useful websites will be gratefully recieved,

Your need for oral steroids for maintenance and low peak flow [per cent of predicted would be more meaningful] suggest Severe Asthma. Many cases of asthma are triggered either by postnasal drip from sinusitis [or rhinitis], or GE reflux. You might benefit from evaluation at a major asthma clinic in your country [Australia]. You may have steroid-resistant asthma Links: http://www.ama-assn.org/special/asthma/library/scan/archive/resist.htm * Steroid-Resistant Asthma: Evaluation and Management Abstract Nov 96 http://www.aaaai.org/aadmc/currentliterature/selectedarticles/ http://www.aaaai.org/aadmc/currentliterature/selectedarticles/1999arc… High dose IV Ig therapy in steroid-dependent asthma ['99] Steroid-resistant asthma may not be asthma at all    Thorax 1999;54:352-356. http://www.applied-medical.co.uk/brittle.htm Brittle Asthma Australian links: http://www.asthma.org.au/ Asthma Victoria http://www.lungnet.org.au/ The Australian Lung Assoc http://hna.ffh.vic.gov.au/asthma/  National Asthma Campaign Australia http://www.asthmawa.asn.au/index.html Asthma Fd. Of West. Australia Ellis

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I hope this doesn’t sound ridiculous or like spam but you never know so here goes.   I’ve been having serious problems breathing for the past 6-8 weeks; been on predisone, amoxicilin and zthramx (sic) but it just got worst. About a week ago, after being up all night, I found I had gas.  I took a bicarbonite and later had to follow up with an over the counter pill for gas.  After a few hours I was breathing almost normally.  I do tend to suffer from indigestion but never thought it could have impacted  my breathing.  Niasha Andrew Blake … I am am having difficulty getting my asthma back under control. I am looking – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – for lay/technical info on all newer drugs so I can have an informed discussion next time I go to see my doc. Also any well grounded information on complementary medecine and lifestyle stuff. I am on 50 mg prednisolone, plus flucanosate, serevent, ventolin, theophylline, pretty much the works and breathing  is only so-so ie about 230 on flow meter. Any. help, info, useful websites will be gratefully recieved, Thanks, Andrew Blake

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Actually pretty common and quite controllable with a number of prescription medications. One being Prevacid. You ought to discuss with your doctor and be evaluated for gastroesophogeal reflux disease, GERD. For additional info see: http://www.gerd.com/ Your doctor will probably quiz you about dietary habits as an adjunct to help control the disorder. Don’t let it go untreated. Some pretty serious complications can result.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I hope this doesn’t sound ridiculous or like spam but you never know so here goes.   I’ve been having serious problems breathing for the past 6-8 weeks; been on predisone, amoxicilin and zthramx (sic) but it just got worst. About a week ago, after being up all night, I found I had gas.  I took a bicarbonite and later had to follow up with an over the counter pill for gas.  After a few hours I was breathing almost normally.  I do tend to suffer from indigestion but never thought it could have impacted  my breathing.  Niasha Andrew Blake … I am am having difficulty getting my asthma back under control. I am looking for lay/technical info on all newer drugs so I can have an informed discussion next time I go to see my doc. Also any well grounded information on complementary medecine and lifestyle stuff. I am on 50 mg prednisolone, plus flucanosate, serevent, ventolin, theophylline, pretty much the works and breathing  is only so-so ie about 230 on flow meter. Any. help, info, useful websites will be gratefully recieved, Thanks, Andrew Blake

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Do you use Pulmo-Aide with albuterol solution 0083% and don’t drink soda and white wine

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About a week ago, after being up all night, I found I had gas.  I took a bicarbonite and later had to follow up with an over the counter pill for gas.  After a few hours I was breathing almost normally.  I do tend to suffer from indigestion but never thought it could have impacted  my breathing.  Niasha

I had the same problem but after the doctor put me on clindex for indihestion the problems went away.

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I hope this doesn’t sound ridiculous or like spam but you never know so here goes.   I’ve been having serious problems breathing for the past 6-8 weeks; been on predisone, amoxicilin and zthramx (sic) but it just got worst. About a week ago, after being up all night, I found I had gas.  I took a bicarbonite and later had to follow up with an over the counter pill for gas.  After a few hours I was breathing almost normally.  I do tend to suffer from indigestion but never thought it could have impacted  my breathing.  Niasha

You betcha!!  First off, if you have gas you very likely have reflux, and reflux often causes asthma symptoms.  Second, the pressure of the gas in the stomach reduces your lung volume and also puts pressure on the airways, making it harder to breathe.  In severe cases stomach pressure due to swallowed air (which may be part of your problem) can cause actual choking. Note that prednisone may make symptoms worse.  Can’t offhand say about the others. Bicarb usually isn’t be best choice for gas or indigestion.  Use a buffered antacid (virtually any of the OTC products) or an acid reducer (Tagamet, et al).

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I started taking singulair/flovent/serevent at end of April.  I feel normal for the first time in my life.  I need my rescue inhaler maybe once a week if that.   Before the singulair/flovent/servent combo, I was using theophyline and albuterol. I started taking a multi-vitamin (One-a-day) and noticed that it seemed to enhance the medication.  Don’t know if this is coincidental or not. Good luck! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am am having difficulty getting my asthma back under control. I am looking for lay/technical info on all newer drugs so I can have an informed discussion next time I go to see my doc. Also any well grounded information on complementary medecine and lifestyle stuff. I am on 50 mg prednisolone, plus flucanosate, serevent, ventolin, theophylline, pretty much the works and breathing  is only so-so ie about 230 on flow meter. Any. help, info, useful websites will be gratefully recieved, Thanks, Andrew Blake

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Txs, Ed.  I was a long time Zantac user but learned to control my Gerd through diet.  Occasionally my libido takes over and the Buffalo Wings/chocolatecake/pepsi weekend binges remind me to stay in line.  The gas is a new thing, probably attributable to more beans and greens in my diet.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Actually pretty common and quite controllable with a number of prescription medications. One being Prevacid. You ought to discuss with your doctor and be evaluated for gastroesophogeal reflux disease, GERD. For additional info see: http://www.gerd.com/ Your doctor will probably quiz you about dietary habits as an adjunct to help control the disorder. Don’t let it go untreated. Some pretty serious complications can result. I hope this doesn’t sound ridiculous or like spam but you never know so here goes.   I’ve been having serious problems breathing for the past 6-8 weeks; been on predisone, amoxicilin and zthramx (sic) but it just got worst. About a week ago, after being up all night, I found I had gas.  I took a bicarbonite and later had to follow up with an over the counter pill for gas.  After a few hours I was breathing almost normally.  I do tend to suffer from indigestion but never thought it could have impacted  my breathing.  Niasha Andrew Blake … I am am having difficulty getting my asthma back under control. I am looking for lay/technical info on all newer drugs so I can have an informed discussion next time I go to see my doc. Also any well grounded information on complementary medecine and lifestyle stuff. I am on 50 mg prednisolone, plus flucanosate, serevent, ventolin, theophylline, pretty much the works and breathing  is only so-so ie about 230 on flow meter. Any. help, info, useful websites will be gratefully recieved, Thanks, Andrew Blake

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The gas is a new thing, probably attributable to more beans and greens in my diet.

Get some beano in liquid form from any drug store. Put on prior to eating and will eliminate gas from beans and certain other food.

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The gas is a new thing, probably attributable to more beans and greens in my diet. Get some beano in liquid form from any drug store. Put on prior to eating and will eliminate gas from beans and certain other food.

add sage when seasoning…has a similar effect…plus it tastes nice — eric "if a thing’s worth doing, it’s worth doing to excess"

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: : The gas : is a new thing, probably attributable to more beans and greens in my diet. : : Get some beano in liquid form from any : drug store. Put on prior to eating and will : eliminate gas from beans and certain other food. Usually after you eat something for a while the bugs in your gut will adapt. The exception are things like pinto beans that don’t break down with the usual enzymes in the gut and provide food for bacteria lower down in the gut. Beano will help this by breaking them down where you gut can get them before the bacteria do.. — Gordon    W5RED www.couger.com/gcouger "You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take."   – Wayne Gretzky

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Hello, I am new to this group and was hoping to get some information.  My cat is dehydrated and I’m having to force water with a food syringe.  Does anyone know roughly how much water a cat should be getting a day?

A *very* rough guide would be about 1 ounce water/pound of body weight. Daily water needs, in milliliters, often are "guesstimated" as equal to the metabolizable energy requirement in kilocalories (kcal).  For example, a cat consuming 240 kcals/day has a water requirement of roughly 240 ml/day. Actual water needs depend on the solute load of the diet, environmental temperature, activity, and other factors such as disease. When calculating water needs, be sure to consider the water content of the food.  For example, a 5.5 oz (weight) can of cat food that contains 75% moisture contains about 140 ml of water or about 4.5 ounces.  Another 13 ml of water is produced by oxidation of nutrients for every 100 kcals of metabolizable energy (or about an ounce/240 kcals). Many owners who feed their cats canned food rarely see their cats drink and worry their cats aren’t getting enough water.  In actuality, the cats are getting most of their water needs directly from the food… just as the cat’s ancestor’s did on the plains of Africa where water was scarce. Phil Bucky – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – will be grateful for your help.  Thanks in advance! LuAnn — Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG

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Hello, I am new to this group and was hoping to get some information.  My cat is dehydrated and I’m having to force water with a food syringe.  Does anyone know roughly how much water a cat should be getting a day?  Bucky will be grateful for your help.  Thanks in advance! LuAnn —

My cat loves for me to give her water with and eyedropper.  It is a just before bed ritual.  She takes about eight or nine eyedroppers.  It started over four years ago when she was ill.  The Vet gave her antibiotic and she loved it.  I followed each dose with water.  This has continued for four years.  I really believe it is the highlight of each day.  She opens one side of her mouth and I sqirt it in/   Call me Grammy

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I am new to this group and was hoping to get some information.  My cat is dehydrated and I’m having to force water with a food syringe.  Does anyone know roughly how much water a cat should be getting a day?  Bucky will be grateful for your help.  Thanks in advance! LuAnn — My cat loves for me to give her water with and eyedropper.  It is a just before bed ritual.  She takes about eight or nine eyedroppers.  It started over four years ago when she was ill.  The Vet gave her antibiotic and she loved it.  I followed each dose with water.  This has continued for four years.  I really believe it is the highlight of each day.  She opens one side of her mouth and I sqirt it in/   Call me Grammy

Wow. That’s gotta be handy if she ever needs medicine again! Karen

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In article If you haven’t been to a vet, you really NEED to go. If she is dehydrated the vet will be of much more help. How much water depends on a lot of things not least of which is food. Is the cat eating? Why is she dehydrated? Please call a vet. Dehydration can be very serious and if it is due to not eating even MORE so. Karen Karen, Thanks, I’ve already been to the vet and he got rehydrated yesterday. I just need to keep him going for a while until he drinks on his own.  I was just trying to avoid calling the office and being on hold forever. Dehydration is not merely a matter of water, but of body salts, etc. If the cat is seriously dehydrated, she needs fluids, not just water. (That kind of dehydration is a major cause of death among humans, btw.)

I’ve heard people use pedialyte. Anyone know how much per pound for a cat? Does it work? Karen

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So, are you hydrating the cat orally or per injection of fluids?  If the cat isn’t drinking on  his own by now, I would be contact the vet at once. At this point, I am assuming the vet is doing labwork to determine what is the cause of the dehydration? Sharon Talbert Friends of Campus Cats

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Hello, I am new to this group and was hoping to get some information.  My cat is dehydrated and I’m having to force water with a food syringe.  Does anyone know roughly how much water a cat should be getting a day?  Bucky will be grateful for your help.  Thanks in advance! LuAnn — Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG

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If you haven’t been to a vet, you really NEED to go. If she is dehydrated the vet will be of much more help. How much water depends on a lot of things not least of which is food. Is the cat eating? Why is she dehydrated? Please call a vet. Dehydration can be very serious and if it is due to not eating even MORE so. Karen

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I am new to this group and was hoping to get some information.  My cat is dehydrated and I’m having to force water with a food syringe.  Does anyone know roughly how much water a cat should be getting a day?  Bucky will be grateful for your help.  Thanks in advance! LuAnn — Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG

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If you haven’t been to a vet, you really NEED to go. If she is dehydrated the vet will be of much more help. How much water depends on a lot of things not least of which is food. Is the cat eating? Why is she dehydrated? Please call a vet. Dehydration can be very serious and if it is due to not eating even MORE so. Karen

Karen, Thanks, I’ve already been to the vet and he got rehydrated yesterday. I just need to keep him going for a while until he drinks on his own.  I was just trying to avoid calling the office and being on hold forever. — Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you haven’t been to a vet, you really NEED to go. If she is dehydrated the vet will be of much more help. How much water depends on a lot of things not least of which is food. Is the cat eating? Why is she dehydrated? Please call a vet. Dehydration can be very serious and if it is due to not eating even MORE so. Karen Karen, Thanks, I’ve already been to the vet and he got rehydrated yesterday. I just need to keep him going for a while until he drinks on his own.  I was just trying to avoid calling the office and being on hold forever. — Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG

And he hasn’t drunk on his own at all? do you know what the originating problem is? If he isn’t drinking yet, I’d give the doc a call. Hopefully one of the special needs caregivers here could give you some  info. It would help them if you told them what all was happening though. Karen

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And he hasn’t drunk on his own at all? do you know what the originating problem is? If he isn’t drinking yet, I’d give the doc a call. Hopefully one of the special needs caregivers here could give you some  info. It would help them if you told them what all was happening though. Karen

Karen, The vet knew I was having to make him drink.  He had diarrhea and is just slowling and unhappily recovering. BTW, I got the answer.  It is approx. 1/2-1 cup of water depending on the cat and whether he eats dry food or not. LuAnn — Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG

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Hello, I am new to this group and was hoping to get some information.  My cat is dehydrated and I’m having to force water with a food syringe.  Does anyone know roughly how much water a cat should be getting a day?

A *very* rough guide would be about 1 ounce water/pound of body weight. Daily water needs, in milliliters, often are "guesstimated" as equal to the metabolizable energy requirement in kilocalories (kcal).  For example, a cat consuming 240 kcals/day has a water requirement of roughly 240 ml/day. Actual water needs depend on the solute load of the diet, environmental temperature, activity, and other factors such as disease. When calculating water needs, be sure to consider the water content of the food.  For example, a 5.5 oz (weight) can of cat food that contains 75% moisture contains about 140 ml of water or about 4.5 ounces.  Another 13 ml of water is produced by oxidation of nutrients for every 100 kcals of metabolizable energy (or about an ounce/240 kcals). Many owners who feed their cats canned food rarely see their cats drink and worry their cats aren’t getting enough water.  In actuality, the cats are getting most of their water needs directly from the food… just as the cat’s ancestor’s did on the plains of Africa where water was scarce. Phil Bucky – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – will be grateful for your help.  Thanks in advance! LuAnn — Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG

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Hello, I am new to this group and was hoping to get some information.  My cat is dehydrated and I’m having to force water with a food syringe.  Does anyone know roughly how much water a cat should be getting a day?  Bucky will be grateful for your help.  Thanks in advance! LuAnn —

My cat loves for me to give her water with and eyedropper.  It is a just before bed ritual.  She takes about eight or nine eyedroppers.  It started over four years ago when she was ill.  The Vet gave her antibiotic and she loved it.  I followed each dose with water.  This has continued for four years.  I really believe it is the highlight of each day.  She opens one side of her mouth and I sqirt it in/   Call me Grammy

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I am new to this group and was hoping to get some information.  My cat is dehydrated and I’m having to force water with a food syringe.  Does anyone know roughly how much water a cat should be getting a day?  Bucky will be grateful for your help.  Thanks in advance! LuAnn — My cat loves for me to give her water with and eyedropper.  It is a just before bed ritual.  She takes about eight or nine eyedroppers.  It started over four years ago when she was ill.  The Vet gave her antibiotic and she loved it.  I followed each dose with water.  This has continued for four years.  I really believe it is the highlight of each day.  She opens one side of her mouth and I sqirt it in/   Call me Grammy

Wow. That’s gotta be handy if she ever needs medicine again! Karen

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In article If you haven’t been to a vet, you really NEED to go. If she is dehydrated the vet will be of much more help. How much water depends on a lot of things not least of which is food. Is the cat eating? Why is she dehydrated? Please call a vet. Dehydration can be very serious and if it is due to not eating even MORE so. Karen Karen, Thanks, I’ve already been to the vet and he got rehydrated yesterday. I just need to keep him going for a while until he drinks on his own.  I was just trying to avoid calling the office and being on hold forever. Dehydration is not merely a matter of water, but of body salts, etc. If the cat is seriously dehydrated, she needs fluids, not just water. (That kind of dehydration is a major cause of death among humans, btw.)

I’ve heard people use pedialyte. Anyone know how much per pound for a cat? Does it work? Karen

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So, are you hydrating the cat orally or per injection of fluids?  If the cat isn’t drinking on  his own by now, I would be contact the vet at once. At this point, I am assuming the vet is doing labwork to determine what is the cause of the dehydration? Sharon Talbert Friends of Campus Cats

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Hello, I am new to this group and was hoping to get some information.  My cat is dehydrated and I’m having to force water with a food syringe.  Does anyone know roughly how much water a cat should be getting a day?  Bucky will be grateful for your help.  Thanks in advance! LuAnn — Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG

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If you haven’t been to a vet, you really NEED to go. If she is dehydrated the vet will be of much more help. How much water depends on a lot of things not least of which is food. Is the cat eating? Why is she dehydrated? Please call a vet. Dehydration can be very serious and if it is due to not eating even MORE so. Karen

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I am new to this group and was hoping to get some information.  My cat is dehydrated and I’m having to force water with a food syringe.  Does anyone know roughly how much water a cat should be getting a day?  Bucky will be grateful for your help.  Thanks in advance! LuAnn — Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG

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If you haven’t been to a vet, you really NEED to go. If she is dehydrated the vet will be of much more help. How much water depends on a lot of things not least of which is food. Is the cat eating? Why is she dehydrated? Please call a vet. Dehydration can be very serious and if it is due to not eating even MORE so. Karen

Karen, Thanks, I’ve already been to the vet and he got rehydrated yesterday. I just need to keep him going for a while until he drinks on his own.  I was just trying to avoid calling the office and being on hold forever. — Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you haven’t been to a vet, you really NEED to go. If she is dehydrated the vet will be of much more help. How much water depends on a lot of things not least of which is food. Is the cat eating? Why is she dehydrated? Please call a vet. Dehydration can be very serious and if it is due to not eating even MORE so. Karen Karen, Thanks, I’ve already been to the vet and he got rehydrated yesterday. I just need to keep him going for a while until he drinks on his own.  I was just trying to avoid calling the office and being on hold forever. — Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG

And he hasn’t drunk on his own at all? do you know what the originating problem is? If he isn’t drinking yet, I’d give the doc a call. Hopefully one of the special needs caregivers here could give you some  info. It would help them if you told them what all was happening though. Karen

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And he hasn’t drunk on his own at all? do you know what the originating problem is? If he isn’t drinking yet, I’d give the doc a call. Hopefully one of the special needs caregivers here could give you some  info. It would help them if you told them what all was happening though. Karen

Karen, The vet knew I was having to make him drink.  He had diarrhea and is just slowling and unhappily recovering. BTW, I got the answer.  It is approx. 1/2-1 cup of water depending on the cat and whether he eats dry food or not. LuAnn — Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG

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Discover the benefits of this dense green vegetable juice which contains one of nature’s widest spectrum of nutrients.  Great for the whole family and  can be consumed by babies to sportsmen… for boosting the nutritional profile and  improving the levels of  immunity and stamina. http://homepages.infoseek.com/~epistlemalaysia/index.html Epistle

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If you have a few moments could you take a look at the site quoted below and try the FREE Functional Health Analysis Profile (FHAP) which is now online? Whether you currently feel well or suffer from a known illness, FHAP could provide insight to guide you toward maximum health. Just visit the following site and follow the link….. http://teraformahealth.com/tfh/22491.html You may also find some other aspects of the site to be of interest. Many thanks. Before you buy.

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Discover the benefits of this dense green vegetable juice which contains one of nature’s widest spectrum of nutrients.  Great for the whole family and  can be consumed by babies to sportsmen… for boosting the nutritional profile and  improving the levels of  immunity and stamina. http://homepages.infoseek.com/~epistlemalaysia/index.html Epistle

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If you have a few moments could you take a look at the site quoted below and try the FREE Functional Health Analysis Profile (FHAP) which is now online? Whether you currently feel well or suffer from a known illness, FHAP could provide insight to guide you toward maximum health. Just visit the following site and follow the link….. http://teraformahealth.com/tfh/22491.html You may also find some other aspects of the site to be of interest. Many thanks. Before you buy.

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sheesh…never mind… wrong thread… I think one of my posts got lost during the isp crash… more later J

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Found in Chemical Exposures – Low Levels and High Stakes Nicholas A. Ashford and Claudia S. Miller (1991) P 180 Scleroderma: Scleroderma-like syndromes (scleroderma is a connective tissue disorder that can affect the skin, lung, esophagus and other tissues) have been linked to a variety of environmental exposures including vinyl chloride, silica dust, organic solvents, epoxy resins, and ingestion of toxic cooking oil in Spain (Black 1988).  Specific features of the illnesses resulting from each type of exposure vary somewhat, but overlap is significant.  Other exposures that have been related to scleroderma-like illnesses include various drugs, breast augmentation (paraffin and silicone), and use of hair dyes (Fremi-Titulaer 1989).  Hair dyes contain aromatic amines that are absorbed through the scalp and metabolized by acetylation in the liver.  Individuals who are slow acetylators, that is, those whose enzymes do not break down these amines as readily, may be at greater risk for the disease. Can’t find the "Fremi-Titulaer" report on-line..or I do find a few but they are not that particular one or are not in English. Get lots of "hits" using http://www.ussc.alltheweb.com/ (if anyone is interested) on keywords "paraffin silicone" including http://www.medinfo.co.za/data/med_info/silicone.htm <snipThere are 69 cases reported cases world-wide of women who contracted CTD after breast enlargements. In 12 of these cases liquid paraffin (not silicone!) had been injected, and in 31 cases impure liquid silicone was injected into the breast tissue. This leaves a total of 26 women (out of approximately three million women who have had breast implants) who contracted CTD. This incidence is much lower than one would expect in the normal population of a similar age group.<snip also http://biotech.ufl.edu/~emcl/tips.html http://biotech.ufl.edu/icbr/emcl/db/si.html http://biotech.ufl.edu/icbr/emcl/db/polymerize.html (wondered about air-borne bacteria getting into implants) FYI and FWIW J

another response from the other sources: he said: I would ask for a whole lot of supporting data from anybody who claims that anything in particular causes asthma. ASTHMA IN PATIENTS WITH SILICONE BREAST IMPLANTS: REPORT OF A CASE SERIES AND IDENTIFICATION OF HEXACHLOROPLATINATE CONTAMINANT AS A POSSIBLE ETIOLOGIC AGENT.                      Michael R Harbut                      Brenda C Churchill*   IJOH; 1999; 3:73-82. University,  School of Medicine, Detroit, Michigan,  and *Department of Internal  Medicine, Providence Hospital, Southfield, Michigan

he said: First of all, I am not familar with the journal ‘IJOH’ (Illinois Journal of Health?).  And due to the fact that my internet turnaround time is about 12 hours – I cannot currently research them. Also remember the rule: "One study does not a conclusion make."  Hexachloroplatinate, a potent sensitizer and component of breast implants, is identified as the likely primary etiologic agent in view of findings consistent with platinosis in these  patients, and the demonstration of the leaching of hexachloroplatinate from  even intact silicone breast implants.

he said: This is half of the data needed.  They also need to show that this (and only this) is also associated with an increased incidence of asthma. Would appreciate your comment…because I am getting info on another issue

from Wayne State U..  Do you consider them to be a reliable source or does it just depend on the study and who the studiers are? he said: The thing to look at is 1) the reputation of the publishing journal, and 2) the methodology of the study.  Also, you should look at the comments sections of subsequent issues.  If the article is flamed by the readers you can suspect that something slipped past the quality control people. end of snip

Wonder if Dr. Harbut had done follow-ups or knows of additional studies on this? J

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No date, Ilena. J – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – jean, was there a date on the last article ??? was it 1991 also? i’ve never heard 3 million women with implants nor is is accurate that only 26 implanted women have SD. we have FAR more than that in our Support Group alone! thanks for the info. **Found in Chemical Exposures – Low Levels and High Stakes **Nicholas A. Ashford and Claudia S. Miller (1991) **P 180 ** **Scleroderma: **Scleroderma-like syndromes (scleroderma is a connective tissue disorder **that can affect the skin, lung, esophagus and other tissues) have been **linked to a variety of environmental exposures including vinyl chloride, **silica dust, organic solvents, epoxy resins, and ingestion of toxic **cooking oil in Spain (Black 1988).  Specific features of the illnesses **resulting from each type of exposure vary somewhat, but overlap is **significant.  Other exposures that have been related to scleroderma-like **illnesses include various drugs, breast augmentation (paraffin and **silicone), and use of hair dyes (Fremi-Titulaer 1989).  Hair dyes **contain aromatic amines that are absorbed through the scalp and **metabolized by acetylation in the liver.  Individuals who are slow **acetylators, that is, those whose enzymes do not break down these amines **as readily, may be at greater risk for the disease. **Can’t find the "Fremi-Titulaer" report on-line..or I do find a few but **they are not that particular one or are not in English. ** **Get lots of "hits" using http://www.ussc.alltheweb.com/ (if anyone is **interested) **on keywords "paraffin silicone" **including http://www.medinfo.co.za/data/med_info/silicone.htm ** **<snipThere are 69 cases reported cases world-wide of women who **contracted CTD after breast enlargements. In 12 of these cases liquid **paraffin (not silicone!) had been injected, and in 31 cases impure **liquid silicone was injected into the breast tissue. This leaves a total **of 26 women (out of approximately three million women who have had **breast implants) who contracted CTD. This incidence is much lower than **one would expect in the normal population of a similar age group.<snip ** **also http://biotech.ufl.edu/~emcl/tips.html **http://biotech.ufl.edu/icbr/emcl/db/si.html ** **http://biotech.ufl.edu/icbr/emcl/db/polymerize.html (wondered about **air-borne bacteria getting into implants) ** **FYI and FWIW **J

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i’ve never heard 3 million women with implants we have FAR more than that in our Support Group alone!

Example of how Ilena works her cut and paste out of context.  I used her tequenique here.

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With apologies to Jean. Example of how Ilena works her cut and paste out of context.  I used her technique here. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -i’ve never heard 3 million women with implants we have FAR more than that in our Support Group alone!

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but then your Job as Marine to MoleOne is to try to make her look better and me worse

Thanks for doing my job for me, I guess.<G

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**but then your Job as Marine to MoleOne **is to try to make her look better and me worse ** **Thanks for doing my job for me, I guess.<G you’ve made yourself look like just another Mole/$hill.

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why not use the ugly Schaezlerism’s c&pee’d into my atheist postings? far better example ~ but then your Job as Marine to MoleOne is to try to make her look better and me worse

**With apologies to Jean. ** **Example of how Ilena works her cut and paste out of context.  I used her **technique here. ** **i’ve never heard 3 million women with implants **we have FAR more than that in our Support Group alone!

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jean, was there a date on the last article ??? was it 1991 also? i’ve never heard 3 million women with implants nor is is accurate that only 26 implanted women have SD. we have FAR more than that in our Support Group alone! thanks for the info.

**Found in Chemical Exposures – Low Levels and High Stakes **Nicholas A. Ashford and Claudia S. Miller (1991) **P 180 ** **Scleroderma: **Scleroderma-like syndromes (scleroderma is a connective tissue disorder **that can affect the skin, lung, esophagus and other tissues) have been **linked to a variety of environmental exposures including vinyl chloride, **silica dust, organic solvents, epoxy resins, and ingestion of toxic **cooking oil in Spain (Black 1988).  Specific features of the illnesses **resulting from each type of exposure vary somewhat, but overlap is **significant.  Other exposures that have been related to scleroderma-like **illnesses include various drugs, breast augmentation (paraffin and **silicone), and use of hair dyes (Fremi-Titulaer 1989).  Hair dyes **contain aromatic amines that are absorbed through the scalp and **metabolized by acetylation in the liver.  Individuals who are slow **acetylators, that is, those whose enzymes do not break down these amines **as readily, may be at greater risk for the disease. **Can’t find the "Fremi-Titulaer" report on-line..or I do find a few but **they are not that particular one or are not in English. ** **Get lots of "hits" using http://www.ussc.alltheweb.com/ (if anyone is **interested) **on keywords "paraffin silicone" **including http://www.medinfo.co.za/data/med_info/silicone.htm ** **<snipThere are 69 cases reported cases world-wide of women who **contracted CTD after breast enlargements. In 12 of these cases liquid **paraffin (not silicone!) had been injected, and in 31 cases impure **liquid silicone was injected into the breast tissue. This leaves a total **of 26 women (out of approximately three million women who have had **breast implants) who contracted CTD. This incidence is much lower than **one would expect in the normal population of a similar age group.<snip ** **also http://biotech.ufl.edu/~emcl/tips.html **http://biotech.ufl.edu/icbr/emcl/db/si.html ** **http://biotech.ufl.edu/icbr/emcl/db/polymerize.html (wondered about **air-borne bacteria getting into implants) ** **FYI and FWIW **J

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Found in Chemical Exposures – Low Levels and High Stakes Nicholas A. Ashford and Claudia S. Miller (1991) P 180 Scleroderma: Scleroderma-like syndromes (scleroderma is a connective tissue disorder that can affect the skin, lung, esophagus and other tissues) have been linked to a variety of environmental exposures including vinyl chloride, silica dust, organic solvents, epoxy resins, and ingestion of toxic cooking oil in Spain (Black 1988).  Specific features of the illnesses resulting from each type of exposure vary somewhat, but overlap is significant.  Other exposures that have been related to scleroderma-like illnesses include various drugs, breast augmentation (paraffin and silicone), and use of hair dyes (Fremi-Titulaer 1989).  Hair dyes contain aromatic amines that are absorbed through the scalp and metabolized by acetylation in the liver.  Individuals who are slow acetylators, that is, those whose enzymes do not break down these amines as readily, may be at greater risk for the disease. Can’t find the "Fremi-Titulaer" report on-line..or I do find a few but they are not that particular one or are not in English. Get lots of "hits" using http://www.ussc.alltheweb.com/ (if anyone is interested) on keywords "paraffin silicone" including http://www.medinfo.co.za/data/med_info/silicone.htm <snipThere are 69 cases reported cases world-wide of women who contracted CTD after breast enlargements. In 12 of these cases liquid paraffin (not silicone!) had been injected, and in 31 cases impure liquid silicone was injected into the breast tissue. This leaves a total of 26 women (out of approximately three million women who have had breast implants) who contracted CTD. This incidence is much lower than one would expect in the normal population of a similar age group.<snip also http://biotech.ufl.edu/~emcl/tips.html http://biotech.ufl.edu/icbr/emcl/db/si.html http://biotech.ufl.edu/icbr/emcl/db/polymerize.html (wondered about air-borne bacteria getting into implants) FYI and FWIW J

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Spoken like an unemployed Silicone Manufacturer. Come on ladies (term used very loosely), you can come up wit h a better retort than this when you are avoiding a question.

Whining like an unemployed Silicone Manufacturer……

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Does this also occur with women with salne imlants? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ASTHMA IN PATIENTS WITH SILICONE BREAST IMPLANTS: REPORT OF A CASE SERIES AND IDENTIFICATION OF HEXACHLOROPLATINATE CONTAMINANT AS A POSSIBLE ETIOLOGIC AGENT.                     Michael R Harbut                     Brenda C Churchill*  IJOH; 1999; 3:73-82. University,  School of Medicine, Detroit, Michigan,  and *Department of Internal Medicine, Providence Hospital, Southfield, Michigan  Address for correspondence: Michael R. Harbut MD , MPH; Wayne State University School of  Medicine, Detroit, Michigan, and Center for Occupational and Environmental Medicine, 22255 Greenfield; Southfield, Mi. 48075  ABSTRACT  The following study is of 8  breast implant patients evaluated because of respiratory systems, pruritus and rhinorrhea.  The presence of hexachoroplatinate in the implants was notes and support for the hypothesis that this contaminant was related to the symptoms experienced by the patients is presented.  Cases of implant related asthma were defined by episodic dyspnea, cough, or breathlessness with onset or worsening after implant placement and objective evidence of reversible airways obstruction, either during the presence or after the removal of the devices. All eight patients were found to have asthma, with airway hyper-reactivity demonstrated by methacholine challenge testing performed in seven patients and by partially reversible obstruction after nebulized administration of a beta-agonist in one patient.  Eight patients had urticaria and seven had rhinorrhea.  Eight of eight breast implant patients evaluated had findings consistent with asthma.  Hexachloroplatinate, a potent sensitizer and component of breast implants, is identified as the likely primary etiologic agent in view of findings consistent with platinosis in these patients, and the demonstration of the leaching of hexachloroplatinate from even intact silicone breast implants.   INTRODUCTION     Human illness as a result of toxicity of silicone gel breast implants is an evolving and controversial area of medical investigation.  The nature of any toxicity has not yet been fully characterized, but at least in part it appears to be consistent with a hypersensitivity process.  The medical community is moving away from early reports of an autoimmune process, but has not yet offered a clear explanation for complaints registered by patients who have had the devices placed.  There is also significant uncertainty with respect to any responsible agents of toxicity.       Silicone breast implants consist of a shell encasing a gel. Both the shell and gel are complex formulations that include carbon and silicone and traces of many other elements.  Saline implants are comprised of a saline fluid contained in a silicone shell casing. From an Occupational Medicine perspective, notable among the agents present in both gel and shell are the metals chromium, nickel, aluminum and platinum.  The presence of platinum in the implants occurs as a result of its use as a catalyst in its hexasolvent form (H2PtCl6) in the production of gel and shell. (1). All three metals are known to be associated with occupational asthma.  Hexachloroplatinate, however, is the most potent of sensitizers reported.        There is an extensive medical literature related to the occupational disease entity platinosis and airways reactivity, caused by exposure to complex platinum salts.  Respiratory problems in platinum refinery workers were reported as long ago as 1911 and are extensively reviewed in the World Health Organization Monograph of the Internal Program of Chemical Safety. (2).  Platinosis or platinum allergy historically refers to the triad of asthma, dermatitis and rhinitis in workers exposed to platinum.  Pruritis has also been reported. Platinosis is highly prevalent in workers exposed to platinum with a cumulative prevalent rate  50% or more. The potency of platinum is such that the *TLV-TWA  for platinum salts is 2 mcg/cubic meter of air. (6).  As a comparison, the TLVs for two other toxic metals, lead and arsenic, are two orders of magnitude greater at 0.15 and 0.2 mg/cubic meter of air respectively. There have been case reports of platinum sensitivity from dental work and jewelry. (3,4).         Platinum asthma can be present before, after, or in the absence of positive skin prick testing.  Cold air and methacholine challenge have both been shown to evoke airways hyper-responsiveness in the hexachloroplatinate-exposed lung, in the absence of existing exposure and/or laboratory or abnormal immunologic testing. (5-9).   METHODS           Eight consecutive patients referred to the clinic with breast implants and various symptoms were included, l993 with extensive histories, including a respiratory history that incorporated the questions from the Epidemiology Standardization Project (10). The patients were questioned about alternative exposure sources, such as occupational metal exposures and platinum-containing dental work.  This was done to identify any sources of platinum even in the non-hexasolvent form.       Patients were also asked about their surgical history, type of implant (silicone or saline), manufacturer, and whether the implants had ruptured. Symptom onset as related to implant status was also elicited. Pulmonary function testing was done in the eight patients. All had complaints of cough or breathlessness.  Methacholine challenge testing was done on 7 patients with fundamentally normal pulmonary function and a beta-agonist (Albuterol) was administered by nebulizer to the patient whose pulmonary function test demonstrated airway obstruction.  CASE SUMMARIES: CASE #1:  A 31 year old, nonsmoking white female, sales account manager underwent breast augmentation surgery in 1989 using Surgitek silicone implants.  There was no evidence of rupture or leakage. She had childhood pneumonia but no respiratory symptoms before implantation.  Presenting complaints include exertional dyspnea with wheezing, severe pruritus several times each week, scaling and dry skin, occurring since the implant surgery.  The patient had normal resting pulmonary function tests with a positive methacholine challenge test (36% decrease in FEV1). CASE: #2: A 47 year old, white female nurse, who is currently a smoker with an 8-pack-year history had breast augmentation surgery in 1970 using Dow Silastic silicone implants.  The right breast implant ruptured in 1982, necessitating removal and replacement.  In 1992, both implants were removed after rupture of the left implant.  Spillage of silicone was confirmed operatively in both 1982 and 1992. The patient presented with complaints of loss of taste sensation, speech difficulty, muscular tics and vesiculations, memory loss, episodic confusion, intermittent rash, pruritus, chronic bronchitis and dyspnea on exertion occurring since 1970.  She has coughing spells and has episodes of dyspnea on exertion on exposure to some household chemicals.  Symptoms worsened after the 1982-1992 ruptures.  She had a history of nonspecific allergies, bronchitis and pneumonia prior to the implants.  The patient had near normal resting pulmonary function tests and a positive methacholine challenge.   CASE #3:  A 54 year of age, nonsmoking white female teacher underwent breast augmentation in 1975 with silicone gel breast implants. There was no definite evidence of rupture or leakage.  The patient presented with severe fatigue, somnolence, chest and upper extremity burning, paresthesias and urticaria. Respiratory symptoms developed over the last two years prior to her evaluation, and included a nonproductive cough, episodic coughing spells, and increasing exertional dyspnea.  Prior to the implant surgery, she had a history of bronchitis but no documented allergies.  She had near normal resting pulmonary function test and the methacholine challenge test demonstrated a 34% decrease in FEV1. CASE #4:  A 58 year of age, white female homemaker who is a smoker with a 33-pack-year history, underwent breast reconstruction and augmentation in 1981 after bilateral prophylactic mastectomies for multiple nonmalignant tumors. The implants were removed and replaced three times as a result of complications, and they were permanently removed in 1993.  The patient is convinced that there was leakage, but this is unconfirmed. Presenting complaints included severe, progressive fatigue over the eight years prior to evaluation to the point that she now reports spending up to 75% of her day in bed.  She also complained of  paresthesias. Respiratory symptoms which began or worsened after the implant surgery include cough, wheezing, multiple episodes of bronchitis, increasingly productive cough and episodic dyspnea. Despite her smoking history, this patient had near normal resting pulmonary function tests.  Methacholine challenge test was positive with a 22% decrease in FEV1.   CASE #5:  A 57 year old white female, employed as a waitress since 1991 underwent breast augmentation with silicone implants in 1974. Suspected leakage was confirmed at surgery in January of 1993 when the implants were replaced with a saline type.  She is currently a nonsmoker who quit two years ago.  Prior to that, she had accumulated a 9-pack-year history over 38 calendar years.  She presented with complaints of constant fatigue, pruritus, and an intermittently productive

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This is an interesting one . . . I know the FDA is denying that hexachloroplatinate causes asthma . .. but that’s what I was DX’s with while I had implants. Interestingly enough, with the implants out, that has cleared up completely. Can asthma resolve itself without intervention? Rogene

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ASTHMA IN PATIENTS WITH SILICONE BREAST IMPLANTS: REPORT OF A CASE SERIES AND IDENTIFICATION OF HEXACHLOROPLATINATE CONTAMINANT AS A POSSIBLE ETIOLOGIC AGENT.                      Michael R Harbut                      Brenda C Churchill*   IJOH; 1999; 3:73-82. University,  School of Medicine, Detroit, Michigan,  and *Department of Internal  Medicine, Providence Hospital, Southfield, Michigan   Address for correspondence: Michael R. Harbut MD , MPH; Wayne State University School of  Medicine, Detroit, Michigan, and Center for Occupational and Environmental Medicine, 22255 Greenfield; Southfield, Mi. 48075   ABSTRACT   The following study is of 8  breast implant patients evaluated because of respiratory systems, pruritus and rhinorrhea.  The presence of hexachoroplatinate in the implants was notes and support for the hypothesis that this contaminant was related to the symptoms experienced by the patients is presented.  Cases of implant related asthma were defined by episodic dyspnea, cough, or breathlessness with onset or worsening after implant placement and objective evidence of reversible airways obstruction, either during the presence or after the removal of the devices.  All eight patients were found to have asthma, with airway hyper-reactivity demonstrated by methacholine challenge testing performed in seven patients and by partially reversible obstruction after nebulized administration of a beta-agonist in one patient.  Eight patients had urticaria and seven had rhinorrhea.  Eight of eight breast implant patients evaluated had findings consistent with asthma.  Hexachloroplatinate, a potent sensitizer and component of breast implants, is identified as the likely primary etiologic agent in view of findings consistent with platinosis in these  patients, and the demonstration of the leaching of hexachloroplatinate from  even intact silicone breast implants.    INTRODUCTION      Human illness as a result of toxicity of silicone gel breast implants is an evolving and controversial area of medical investigation.  The nature of any toxicity has not yet been fully characterized, but at least in part it appears to be consistent with a hypersensitivity process.  The medical community is moving away from early reports of an autoimmune process, but has not yet offered a clear explanation for complaints registered by patients who have had the devices placed.  There is also significant uncertainty with respect to any responsible agents of toxicity.        Silicone breast implants consist of a shell encasing a gel. Both the shell and gel are complex formulations that include carbon and silicone and traces of many other elements.  Saline implants are comprised of a saline fluid contained in a silicone shell casing. From an Occupational Medicine perspective, notable among the agents present in both gel and shell are the metals chromium, nickel, aluminum and platinum.  The presence of platinum in the implants occurs as a result of its use as a catalyst in its hexasolvent form (H2PtCl6) in the production of gel and shell. (1). All three metals are known to be associated with occupational asthma.  Hexachloroplatinate, however, is the most potent of sensitizers reported.         There is an extensive medical literature related to the occupational disease entity platinosis and airways reactivity, caused by exposure to complex platinum salts.  Respiratory problems in platinum refinery workers were reported as long ago as 1911 and are extensively reviewed in the World Health Organization Monograph of the Internal Program of Chemical Safety. (2).  Platinosis or platinum allergy historically  refers to the triad of asthma, dermatitis and rhinitis in workers exposed to platinum.  Pruritis has also been reported. Platinosis is highly prevalent in workers exposed to platinum with a cumulative prevalent rate  50% or more. The potency of platinum is such that the *TLV-TWA  for platinum salts is 2 mcg/cubic meter of air.  (6).  As a comparison, the TLVs for two other toxic metals, lead and arsenic, are two orders of magnitude greater at 0.15 and 0.2 mg/cubic meter of air respectively. There have been case reports of platinum sensitivity from dental work and jewelry. (3,4).        Platinum asthma can be present before, after, or in the absence of positive skin prick testing.  Cold air and methacholine challenge have both been shown to evoke airways hyper-responsiveness in the hexachloroplatinate-exposed lung, in the absence of existing exposure and/or laboratory or abnormal immunologic testing. (5-9). METHODS        Eight consecutive patients referred to the clinic with breast implants and various symptoms were included, l993 with extensive histories, including a respiratory history that incorporated the questions from the Epidemiology Standardization Project (10). The patients were questioned about alternative exposure sources, such as occupational metal exposures and platinum-containing dental work.  This was done to identify any sources of platinum even in the non-hexasolvent form.        Patients were also asked about their surgical history, type of implant (silicone or saline), manufacturer, and whether the implants had ruptured. Symptom onset as related to implant status was also elicited. Pulmonary function testing was done in the eight patients. All had complaints of cough or breathlessness.  Methacholine challenge testing was done on 7 patients with fundamentally normal pulmonary function and a beta-agonist (Albuterol) was administered by nebulizer to the patient whose pulmonary function test demonstrated airway obstruction.   CASE SUMMARIES:  CASE #1:  A 31 year old, nonsmoking white female, sales account manager underwent breast augmentation surgery in 1989 using Surgitek silicone implants.  There was no evidence of rupture or leakage. She had childhood pneumonia but no respiratory symptoms before implantation.  Presenting complaints include exertional dyspnea with wheezing, severe pruritus several times each week, scaling and dry skin,  occurring since the implant surgery.  The patient had normal resting pulmonary function tests with a positive methacholine challenge test (36% decrease in FEV1). CASE: #2: A 47 year old, white female nurse, who is currently a smoker with an 8-pack-year history had breast augmentation surgery in 1970 using Dow Silastic silicone implants.  The right breast implant ruptured in 1982, necessitating removal and replacement.  In 1992, both implants were removed after rupture of the left implant.  Spillage of silicone was confirmed operatively in both 1982 and 1992. The patient presented with complaints of loss of taste sensation, speech difficulty,  muscular tics and vesiculations, memory loss, episodic confusion, intermittent rash, pruritus, chronic bronchitis and dyspnea on exertion occurring since 1970.  She has coughing spells and has episodes of dyspnea on exertion on exposure to some household chemicals.  Symptoms worsened after the 1982-1992 ruptures.  She had a history of nonspecific allergies, bronchitis and pneumonia prior to the implants.  The patient had near normal resting pulmonary function tests and a positive methacholine  challenge. CASE #3:  A 54 year of age, nonsmoking white female teacher underwent breast augmentation in 1975 with silicone gel breast implants. There was no definite evidence of rupture or leakage.  The patient presented with severe fatigue, somnolence, chest and upper extremity burning, paresthesias and urticaria. Respiratory symptoms developed over the last two years prior to her evaluation, and included a nonproductive cough, episodic coughing spells, and increasing exertional  dyspnea.  Prior to the implant surgery, she had a history of bronchitis but no documented allergies.  She had near normal resting pulmonary function test and the methacholine challenge test demonstrated a 34% decrease in FEV1. CASE #4:  A 58 year of age, white female homemaker who is a smoker with a 33-pack-year history, underwent breast reconstruction and augmentation in 1981 after bilateral prophylactic mastectomies for multiple nonmalignant tumors. The implants were removed and replaced three times as a result of complications, and they were permanently removed in 1993.  The patient is convinced that there was leakage, but this is unconfirmed. Presenting complaints included severe, progressive fatigue over the eight years prior to evaluation to the point that she now reports spending up to 75% of her day in bed.  She also complained of  paresthesias. Respiratory symptoms which began or worsened after the implant surgery include cough, wheezing, multiple episodes of bronchitis, increasingly productive cough and episodic dyspnea. Despite her smoking history, this patient had near normal resting pulmonary function tests.  Methacholine challenge test was positive with a 22% decrease in FEV1. CASE #5:  A 57 year old white female, employed as a waitress since 1991 underwent breast augmentation with silicone implants in 1974. Suspected leakage was confirmed at surgery in January of 1993 when the implants were replaced with a saline type.  She is currently a nonsmoker who quit two years ago.  Prior to that, she had accumulated a 9-pack-year

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 ASTHMA IN PATIENTS WITH SILICONE BREAST IMPLANTS: REPORT OF A CASE SERIES AND IDENTIFICATION OF HEXACHLOROPLATINATE CONTAMINANT AS A POSSIBLE ETIOLOGIC AGENT.                      Michael R Harbut                      Brenda C Churchill*   IJOH; 1999; 3:73-82. University,  School of Medicine, Detroit, Michigan,  and *Department of Internal  Medicine, Providence Hospital, Southfield, Michigan   Address for correspondence: Michael R. Harbut MD , MPH; Wayne State University School of  Medicine, Detroit, Michigan, and Center for Occupational and Environmental Medicine, 22255 Greenfield; Southfield, Mi. 48075   ABSTRACT   The following study is of 8  breast implant patients evaluated because of respiratory systems, pruritus and rhinorrhea.  The presence of hexachoroplatinate in the implants was notes and support for the hypothesis that this contaminant was related to the symptoms experienced by the patients is presented.  Cases of implant related asthma were defined by episodic dyspnea, cough, or breathlessness with onset or worsening after implant placement and objective evidence of reversible airways obstruction, either during the presence or after the removal of the devices.  All eight patients were found to have asthma, with airway hyper-reactivity demonstrated by methacholine challenge testing performed in seven patients and by partially reversible obstruction after nebulized administration of a beta-agonist in one patient.  Eight patients had urticaria and seven had rhinorrhea.  Eight of eight breast implant patients evaluated had findings consistent with asthma.  Hexachloroplatinate, a potent sensitizer and component of breast implants, is identified as the likely primary etiologic agent in view of findings consistent with platinosis in these  patients, and the demonstration of the leaching of hexachloroplatinate from  even intact silicone breast implants.    INTRODUCTION      Human illness as a result of toxicity of silicone gel breast implants is an evolving and controversial area of medical investigation.  The nature of any toxicity has not yet been fully characterized, but at least in part it appears to be consistent with a hypersensitivity process.  The medical community is moving away from early reports of an autoimmune process, but has not yet offered a clear explanation for complaints registered by patients who have had the devices placed.  There is also significant uncertainty with respect to any responsible agents of toxicity.        Silicone breast implants consist of a shell encasing a gel. Both the shell and gel are complex formulations that include carbon and silicone and traces of many other elements.  Saline implants are comprised of a saline fluid contained in a silicone shell casing. From an Occupational Medicine perspective, notable among the agents present in both gel and shell are the metals chromium, nickel, aluminum and platinum.  The presence of platinum in the implants occurs as a result of its use as a catalyst in its hexasolvent form (H2PtCl6) in the production of gel and shell. (1). All three metals are known to be associated with occupational asthma.  Hexachloroplatinate, however, is the most potent of sensitizers reported.         There is an extensive medical literature related to the occupational disease entity platinosis and airways reactivity, caused by exposure to complex platinum salts.  Respiratory problems in platinum refinery workers were reported as long ago as 1911 and are extensively reviewed in the World Health Organization Monograph of the Internal Program of Chemical Safety. (2).  Platinosis or platinum allergy historically  refers to the triad of asthma, dermatitis and rhinitis in workers exposed to platinum.  Pruritis has also been reported. Platinosis is highly prevalent in workers exposed to platinum with a cumulative prevalent rate  50% or more.   The potency of platinum is such that the *TLV-TWA  for platinum salts is 2 mcg/cubic meter of air.  (6).  As a comparison, the TLVs for two other toxic metals, lead and arsenic, are two orders of magnitude greater at 0.15 and 0.2 mg/cubic meter of air respectively. There have been case reports of platinum sensitivity from dental work and jewelry. (3,4).          Platinum asthma can be present before, after, or in the absence of positive skin prick testing.  Cold air and methacholine challenge have both been shown to evoke airways hyper-responsiveness in the hexachloroplatinate-exposed lung, in the absence of existing exposure and/or laboratory or abnormal immunologic testing. (5-9).   METHODS            Eight consecutive patients referred to the clinic with breast implants and various symptoms were included, l993 with extensive histories, including a respiratory history that incorporated the questions from the Epidemiology Standardization Project (10). The patients were questioned about alternative exposure sources, such as occupational metal exposures and platinum-containing dental work.  This was done to identify any sources of platinum even in the non-hexasolvent form.        Patients were also asked about their surgical history, type of implant (silicone or saline), manufacturer, and whether the implants had ruptured. Symptom onset as related to implant status was also elicited. Pulmonary function testing was done in the eight patients. All had complaints of cough or breathlessness.  Methacholine challenge testing was done on 7 patients with fundamentally normal pulmonary function and a beta-agonist (Albuterol) was administered by nebulizer to the patient whose pulmonary function test demonstrated airway obstruction.   CASE SUMMARIES:  CASE #1:  A 31 year old, nonsmoking white female, sales account manager underwent breast augmentation surgery in 1989 using Surgitek silicone implants.  There was no evidence of rupture or leakage. She had childhood pneumonia but no respiratory symptoms before implantation.  Presenting complaints include exertional dyspnea with wheezing, severe pruritus several times each week, scaling and dry skin,  occurring since the implant surgery.  The patient had normal resting pulmonary function tests with a positive methacholine challenge test (36% decrease in FEV1). CASE: #2: A 47 year old, white female nurse, who is currently a smoker with an 8-pack-year history had breast augmentation surgery in 1970 using Dow Silastic silicone implants.  The right breast implant ruptured in 1982, necessitating removal and replacement.  In 1992, both implants were removed after rupture of the left implant.  Spillage of silicone was confirmed operatively in both 1982 and 1992. The patient presented with complaints of loss of taste sensation, speech difficulty,  muscular tics and vesiculations, memory loss, episodic confusion, intermittent rash, pruritus, chronic bronchitis and dyspnea on exertion occurring since 1970.  She has coughing spells and has episodes of dyspnea on exertion on exposure to some household chemicals.  Symptoms worsened after the 1982-1992 ruptures.  She had a history of nonspecific allergies, bronchitis and pneumonia prior to the implants.  The patient had near normal resting pulmonary function tests and a positive methacholine  challenge.   CASE #3:  A 54 year of age, nonsmoking white female teacher underwent breast augmentation in 1975 with silicone gel breast implants. There was no definite evidence of rupture or leakage.  The patient presented with severe fatigue, somnolence, chest and upper extremity burning, paresthesias and urticaria.   Respiratory symptoms developed over the last two years prior to her evaluation, and included a nonproductive cough, episodic coughing spells, and increasing exertional  dyspnea.  Prior to the implant surgery, she had a history of bronchitis but no documented allergies.  She had near normal resting pulmonary function test and the methacholine challenge test demonstrated a 34% decrease in FEV1. CASE #4:  A 58 year of age, white female homemaker who is a smoker with a 33-pack-year history, underwent breast reconstruction and augmentation in 1981 after bilateral prophylactic mastectomies for multiple nonmalignant tumors. The implants were removed and replaced three times as a result of complications, and they were permanently removed in 1993.  The patient is convinced that there was leakage, but this is unconfirmed. Presenting complaints included severe, progressive fatigue over the eight years prior to evaluation to the point that she now reports spending up to 75% of her day in bed.  She also complained of  paresthesias. Respiratory symptoms which began or worsened after the implant surgery include cough, wheezing, multiple episodes of bronchitis, increasingly productive cough and episodic dyspnea.   Despite her smoking history, this patient had near normal resting pulmonary function tests.  Methacholine challenge test was positive with a 22% decrease in FEV1.   CASE #5:  A 57 year old white female, employed as a waitress since 1991 underwent breast augmentation with silicone implants in 1974. Suspected leakage was confirmed at surgery in January of 1993 when the implants were replaced with a saline type.  She is currently a nonsmoker who quit two years ago.  Prior to that, she had accumulated a 9-pack-year history over 38 calendar years.  She presented with complaints of constant fatigue, pruritus, and an intermittently productive chronic cough with  nocturnal wheezing.  She also noted burning paresthesias radiating across the chest and upper extremities.  Respiratory symptoms began approximately three years prior to evaluation. She had a history of bronchitis and emphysema prior to the implants, but chronic bronchitis only began three years prior to her evaluation here.  The patient had markedly abnormal resting pulmonary … read more »

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It is very unusual not for something to turn up on my search but pop implants did not. Are they called something else? Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Kay, Try the following on your search: PIP pre-filled saline implant J – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It is very unusual not for something to turn up on my search but pop implants did not. Are they called something else? Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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" Silicone breast implants consist of a shell encasing a gel. Both the shell and gel are complex formulations that include carbon and silicone and traces of many other elements.  Saline implants are comprised of a saline fluid contained in a silicone shell casing. From an Occupational Medicine perspective, notable among the agents present in both gel and shell are the metals chromium, nickel, aluminum and platinum.  The presence of platinum in the implants occurs as a result of its use as a catalyst in its hexasolvent form (H2PtCl6) in the production of gel and shell. (1). All three metals are known to be associated with occupational asthma.  Hexachloroplatinate, however, is the most potent of sensitizers reported."

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says… ** **I still would like to know, does this happen from platinum i **n both saline and **gel implants? ** ** **You have lot’s of time on your **hands…do some research yourself. sounds like a set up question coming from a "consultant" who was trying to convince the FDA that PIP implants were "safe" and should be approved thank god they weren’t a woman called me a couple of weeks ago who was very ill after PIP imlants very severe neuological problems she said that when she called Pip in Florida l-888-700-9831m she was told there were all dipped in Platinum hope someone will follow up and let us know

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** **says… **** ****I still would like to know, does this happen from platinum i ****n both saline and ****gel implants? **** **** ****You have lot’s of time on your ****hands…do some research yourself. ** **sounds like a set up question coming from a "consultant" who was trying to **convince the FDA that PIP implants were "safe" and should be approved ** **thank god they weren’t ** **a woman called me a couple of weeks ago who was very ill after PIP imlants ** **very severe neuological problems ** **she said that when she called Pip in Florida ** **l-888-700-9831m she was told there were all dipped in Platinum ** **hope someone will follow up and let us know

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what is your opinion?

**I still would like to know, does this happen from platinum in both saline and **gel implants? ** **

** ** ** ASTHMA IN PATIENTS WITH SILICONE BREAST IMPLANTS: REPORT OF A CASE SERIES ** **AND IDENTIFICATION OF HEXACHLOROPLATINATE CONTAMINANT AS A POSSIBLE ETIOLOGIC ** **AGENT. **   **                     Michael R Harbut **                     Brenda C Churchill* **

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(Mplnt) writes: I still would like to know, does this happen from platinum in both saline and gel implants?

Is there platinum used in the catalyst for both saline & gel? Susan

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Previously posted: No date.  Stamped MC 8790, document # 0304661 McGhan Medical Corp, Polymer Coated Mammary Implant Program General Information Silicone elastomer used in implantable devices consists of three ingredients of widely varying biocompatibilities:  1.  Pure Silicone Polymer –Most offer, polydimenthylsiloxane [sic] or pure polydiphensylsiloxane.  2.  Reinforcing Filler (Fumed Silica) – used to increase the tensile strength of pure silicone polymer.  3.  Vulcanizing Agent – Very low concentration of Platinum  catalyst (approximately 5 parts per million) which when mixed with the functional polymer and crosslinker promotes vulcanization. Pure silicone polymer is (one) of the most biologically compatible materials known to man, whereas SILICA FILLER IS AN EXTREME TISSUE IRRITANT. (The very small concentration of platinum renders its biocompatibility insignificant.) ONE MAY QUESTION WHY A MATERIAL WITH EXCELLENT BIOCOMPATIBILITY IS COMBINED WITH A KNOWN TISSUE IRRITANT.  The answer lies in the need to increase the tensile strength (the ability) to stretch without breaking) of the implant shell. Document marked MC 8791, document number 0304662 continues General Information. There are three basic theories as to why the biocompatibility performance studies have consistently shown greater tissue compatibility with the pure silicone polymer, as compared with silica filled silicone elastomer.  1. Electrical Charge – Silica has a positive charge a compared with living tissue which has a negative charge.  THIS COMBINATION IS BELIEVED TO BE INCOMPATIBLE OVER A LONG TIME PERIOD. 2. Surface Smoothness – The surface topography of silicone elastomer is shown to be somewhat course.  Pure silicone polymer with zero silica filler aggregates appears smooth. 3. Exposed Silica Particles  - As discussed earlier the possibility of exposed silica particles on the implantable devices surface does exist. Other documents of interest show the increasing amounts of platinum catalyst used in their implants as the experiment on women continued: McGhan Medical Master Formula for Silicone Dispersion  (Internal) Documents stamped MCG 183335, 183336, 183339 Platinum Catalyst  P/N 3103 Original date ?          Platinum Catalyst                                     28.5 – 142.8 ppm Xylene                      150 -233 parts From 2/22/78               Platinum Catalyst                                     257 ppm From 7/19/83                Platinum Catalyst                                    228 -428 ppm Looks like the quality control was absent on the latter platinum.  Just throw in whatever you want today, guys.  No big deal. I also have a couple of other non-MDL documents showing chemical analysis of a Dow and a Mentor implant.  The amount of platinum in the envelopes is 8 to 9 times higher than in the gel.  Mentor being higher.  I think it is important for women with saline implants to know that they have fumed silica and platinum.

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I still would like to know, does this happen from platinum i n both saline and gel implants?

You have lot’s of time on your hands…do some research yourself.

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I still would like to know, does this happen from platinum in both saline and gel implants? ASTHMA IN PATIENTS WITH SILICONE BREAST IMPLANTS: REPORT OF A CASE SERIES AND IDENTIFICATION OF HEXACHLOROPLATINATE CONTAMINANT AS A POSSIBLE ETIOLOGIC AGENT.                     Michael R Harbut                     Brenda C Churchill*

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 ASTHMA IN PATIENTS WITH SILICONE BREAST IMPLANTS: REPORT OF A CASE SERIES AND IDENTIFICATION OF HEXACHLOROPLATINATE CONTAMINANT AS A POSSIBLE ETIOLOGIC AGENT.                      Michael R Harbut                      Brenda C Churchill*   IJOH; 1999; 3:73-82. University,  School of Medicine, Detroit, Michigan,  and *Department of Internal  Medicine, Providence Hospital, Southfield, Michigan   Address for correspondence: Michael R. Harbut MD , MPH; Wayne State University School of  Medicine, Detroit, Michigan, and Center for Occupational and Environmental Medicine, 22255 Greenfield; Southfield, Mi. 48075   ABSTRACT   The following study is of 8  breast implant patients evaluated because of respiratory systems, pruritus and rhinorrhea.  The presence of hexachoroplatinate in the implants was notes and support for the hypothesis that this contaminant was related to the symptoms experienced by the patients is presented.  Cases of implant related asthma were defined by episodic dyspnea, cough, or breathlessness with onset or worsening after implant placement and objective evidence of reversible airways obstruction, either during the presence or after the removal of the devices.  All eight patients were found to have asthma, with airway hyper-reactivity demonstrated by methacholine challenge testing performed in seven patients and by partially reversible obstruction after nebulized administration of a beta-agonist in one patient.  Eight patients had urticaria and seven had rhinorrhea.  Eight of eight breast implant patients evaluated had findings consistent with asthma.  Hexachloroplatinate, a potent sensitizer and component of breast implants, is identified as the likely primary etiologic agent in view of findings consistent with platinosis in these  patients, and the demonstration of the leaching of hexachloroplatinate from  even intact silicone breast implants.    INTRODUCTION      Human illness as a result of toxicity of silicone gel breast implants is an evolving and controversial area of medical investigation.  The nature of any toxicity has not yet been fully characterized, but at least in part it appears to be consistent with a hypersensitivity process.  The medical community is moving away from early reports of an autoimmune process, but has not yet offered a clear explanation for complaints registered by patients who have had the devices placed.  There is also significant uncertainty with respect to any responsible agents of toxicity.        Silicone breast implants consist of a shell encasing a gel. Both the shell and gel are complex formulations that include carbon and silicone and traces of many other elements.  Saline implants are comprised of a saline fluid contained in a silicone shell casing. From an Occupational Medicine perspective, notable among the agents present in both gel and shell are the metals chromium, nickel, aluminum and platinum.  The presence of platinum in the implants occurs as a result of its use as a catalyst in its hexasolvent form (H2PtCl6) in the production of gel and shell. (1). All three metals are known to be associated with occupational asthma.  Hexachloroplatinate, however, is the most potent of sensitizers reported.         There is an extensive medical literature related to the occupational disease entity platinosis and airways reactivity, caused by exposure to complex platinum salts.  Respiratory problems in platinum refinery workers were reported as long ago as 1911 and are extensively reviewed in the World Health Organization Monograph of the Internal Program of Chemical Safety. (2).  Platinosis or platinum allergy historically  refers to the triad of asthma, dermatitis and rhinitis in workers exposed to platinum.  Pruritis has also been reported. Platinosis is highly prevalent in workers exposed to platinum with a cumulative prevalent rate  50% or more.   The potency of platinum is such that the *TLV-TWA  for platinum salts is 2 mcg/cubic meter of air.  (6).  As a comparison, the TLVs for two other toxic metals, lead and arsenic, are two orders of magnitude greater at 0.15 and 0.2 mg/cubic meter of air respectively. There have been case reports of platinum sensitivity from dental work and jewelry. (3,4).          Platinum asthma can be present before, after, or in the absence of positive skin prick testing.  Cold air and methacholine challenge have both been shown to evoke airways hyper-responsiveness in the hexachloroplatinate-exposed lung, in the absence of existing exposure and/or laboratory or abnormal immunologic testing. (5-9).   METHODS            Eight consecutive patients referred to the clinic with breast implants and various symptoms were included, l993 with extensive histories, including a respiratory history that incorporated the questions from the Epidemiology Standardization Project (10). The patients were questioned about alternative exposure sources, such as occupational metal exposures and platinum-containing dental work.  This was done to identify any sources of platinum even in the non-hexasolvent form.        Patients were also asked about their surgical history, type of implant (silicone or saline), manufacturer, and whether the implants had ruptured. Symptom onset as related to implant status was also elicited. Pulmonary function testing was done in the eight patients. All had complaints of cough or breathlessness.  Methacholine challenge testing was done on 7 patients with fundamentally normal pulmonary function and a beta-agonist (Albuterol) was administered by nebulizer to the patient whose pulmonary function test demonstrated airway obstruction.   CASE SUMMARIES:  CASE #1:  A 31 year old, nonsmoking white female, sales account manager underwent breast augmentation surgery in 1989 using Surgitek silicone implants.  There was no evidence of rupture or leakage. She had childhood pneumonia but no respiratory symptoms before implantation.  Presenting complaints include exertional dyspnea with wheezing, severe pruritus several times each week, scaling and dry skin,  occurring since the implant surgery.  The patient had normal resting pulmonary function tests with a positive methacholine challenge test (36% decrease in FEV1). CASE: #2: A 47 year old, white female nurse, who is currently a smoker with an 8-pack-year history had breast augmentation surgery in 1970 using Dow Silastic silicone implants.  The right breast implant ruptured in 1982, necessitating removal and replacement.  In 1992, both implants were removed after rupture of the left implant.  Spillage of silicone was confirmed operatively in both 1982 and 1992. The patient presented with complaints of loss of taste sensation, speech difficulty,  muscular tics and vesiculations, memory loss, episodic confusion, intermittent rash, pruritus, chronic bronchitis and dyspnea on exertion occurring since 1970.  She has coughing spells and has episodes of dyspnea on exertion on exposure to some household chemicals.  Symptoms worsened after the 1982-1992 ruptures.  She had a history of nonspecific allergies, bronchitis and pneumonia prior to the implants.  The patient had near normal resting pulmonary function tests and a positive methacholine  challenge.   CASE #3:  A 54 year of age, nonsmoking white female teacher underwent breast augmentation in 1975 with silicone gel breast implants. There was no definite evidence of rupture or leakage.  The patient presented with severe fatigue, somnolence, chest and upper extremity burning, paresthesias and urticaria.   Respiratory symptoms developed over the last two years prior to her evaluation, and included a nonproductive cough, episodic coughing spells, and increasing exertional  dyspnea.  Prior to the implant surgery, she had a history of bronchitis but no documented allergies.  She had near normal resting pulmonary function test and the methacholine challenge test demonstrated a 34% decrease in FEV1. CASE #4:  A 58 year of age, white female homemaker who is a smoker with a 33-pack-year history, underwent breast reconstruction and augmentation in 1981 after bilateral prophylactic mastectomies for multiple nonmalignant tumors. The implants were removed and replaced three times as a result of complications, and they were permanently removed in 1993.  The patient is convinced that there was leakage, but this is unconfirmed. Presenting complaints included severe, progressive fatigue over the eight years prior to evaluation to the point that she now reports spending up to 75% of her day in bed.  She also complained of  paresthesias. Respiratory symptoms which began or worsened after the implant surgery include cough, wheezing, multiple episodes of bronchitis, increasingly productive cough and episodic dyspnea.   Despite her smoking history, this patient had near normal resting pulmonary function tests.  Methacholine challenge test was positive with a 22% decrease in FEV1.   CASE #5:  A 57 year old white female, employed as a waitress since 1991 underwent breast augmentation with silicone implants in 1974. Suspected leakage was confirmed at surgery in January of 1993 when the implants were replaced with a saline type.  She is currently a nonsmoker who quit two years ago.  Prior to that, she had accumulated a 9-pack-year history over 38 calendar years.  She presented with complaints of constant fatigue, pruritus, and an intermittently productive chronic cough with  nocturnal wheezing.  She also noted burning paresthesias radiating across the chest and upper extremities.  Respiratory symptoms began approximately three years prior to evaluation. She had a history of bronchitis and emphysema prior to the implants, but chronic bronchitis only … read more »

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You might also want to look up "endocrine disruptors caused by chemicals in our environement (deliberate and spills)" "chemicals companies who also produce medications" and auto-immune. IMHO Jean – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Over the past few decades there has been a dramatic increase in the incidence of asthma and other autoimmune diseases. One plausible explanation is that the medical industry itself is responsible for the rise. The long-term effects of multiple vaccinations on certain people’s immune systems can be detrimental. Most of the infectious diseases (e.g. measles,mumps,rubella) that infants are vaccinated against are, the vast majority of the time, mild and harmless. Infectious diseases contracted at an appropriate age and allowed to run their course can be beneficial because they serve to prime and mature the child’s immune system. They play a vital role in the development of a strong, healthy immune system. Messing around with an immature, developing immune system by simultaneously vaccinating against multiple diseases denies it the opportunity to learn and grow stronger, as nature intended. It can only strengthen by overcoming challenges, not by avoiding them. In later years this avoidance may result in conditions like asthma, where the immune system starts to act in a totally exaggerated and inappropriate manner. Several studies have shown that vaccinated children have a higher incidence of asthma than unvaccinated children, and that infection with childhood disease can lower the risk of getting asthma later on: http://www.909shot.com/dimedia.htm The myths that vaccines are safe and effective are addressed here: http://www.unc.edu/~aphillip/www/vaccine/dvm1.htm Before you buy.

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I Measles does kill this many, mostly in third world countries, and the reason is because of severe malnutrition. A weakened immune system from malnutrition is not able to fight off what would otherwise be a very mild, harmless disease. The way to wipe out deaths from measles and other infectious diseases is improved nutrition and sanitation, not vaccines. This is a half truth. True the malnurished are more vulnerable but it also strikes healthy children. The reason it is common in third world countries is because they do not vaccinate.

There is no proof that measles is more common in third world countries because of lack of vaccination. In the US and England, between 1915 and 1958, there was a 95% decline in the measles death rate. The measles vaccine didn’t arrive until the 1960s. The decline was due to improved sanitation/nutrition. The measles vaccine isn’t even very good at stopping the spread of the disease. Lots of people who get measles have already been vaccinated against it. The same is true of other vaccines. Again, half true. While no vaccine gives 100% immunity, in recent outbreaks in the US and in Europe unvaccinated people were overwhelmingly more likely to get measles than vaccinated ones.

In 1985 the US government reported that 80% of notified cases of measles had been vaccinated. As the years go by children’s immune systems are getting less and less stimulation because of the increasing number of diseases that they are being vaccinated against. Pure BS. Children are exposed to hundreds if not thousands of viruses every year. There is no evidence that immunizing against the few organisms that we do immunize against (which also stimulates the immune system by the way) makes and significant difference in the number of infections the kids are exposed to.

Maybe the thousands of viruses that they are exposed to are not enough of a challenge to their immune systems, and exposure to some of the mild disease-causing viruses that they are currenly being vaccinated against would pose more of a challenge and result in  stronger immune systems. The body of evidence showing that vaccines work would argue against this. Infections post vaccination tend to be milder and have fewer complications even when they do occur. Besides, there is nothing about these statements that provides any logical arguement against vaccinating.

The body of evidence shows that vaccines don’t work. They haven’t been responsible for disease decline, they can be unsafe, the principles on how they’re supposed to work are unsound, and they may cause long-term damage to the immune system. Apart from that, they’re fine. Before you buy.

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Do a search on medline for asthma and parasite. It doesn’t bring up anyting conclusive but there is some work being done there. — Gordon    W5RED www.couger.com/gcouger "You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take."   – Wayne Gretzky

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some things I think could be contrbuting to asthma: In studying asthma/allergies one thing that comes up now and again are accoditale reports of increased allergies after a population is cure of parasites. Particularly worms. I also notice that singular has a warning that it may reduce the bodies immune reaction to parasites. I have also seen reports of allergies being cured by an infestation of liver flukes. They killed the patient but he died with a clear head:) There are some whip worms that do not produce disease in humans that I have considered trying. Are there solid evidence based references for the above or it this based on people’s hypothesis? I would suspect that the above is based on a misunderstanding of the functioning of the immune system.  Immunoglobulin E (IgE) is an antibody that provides resistance to parasitic infection.  Your body produces the various immunoglobulin as a learned response to an infection (or what the body thinks is an infection).  Getting a case or worms is not going to do anything about the immunoglobulins that are designed specifically to react to an allergen such as a pollen protein. (If your hypothesis were correct then getting my flu shot would also protect me from colds – as most of us can tell, it dosent work that way.) The increase of energy efficient homes, the use of manufactured materials such as particle board and wide spread carpeting have IMO lead to an marked decrease in indoor air quality. Maybe, maybe not.  There is a lot of evidence that these can make existing cases of asthma worse, but not any convincing evidence that it causes asthma. Catalytic converter and gasoline with sulfur in it make sulphonic acid that bothers me a lot. Possible the cleaner exhaust are more damaging to the lungs than the dirty exhaust were. A lot more people are exposed to exhaust fumes every year. Comparative studies in some Siberia might lend some light on this. This hypothesis was tested shortly after the two Germanies reunited. The findings were that although the incidence of asthma was the same for (relatively unpolluted) West germany as it was for (heavily polluted East Germany – there was a direct correlation between the severity of the pollution and the severity of the asthma. I know I do better away from vehicle exhaust, wood smoke, and all the people that wear perfume and the stores that use air freshener. All of these are respiratory irritants.  I have a sign on my office door telling people not to enter if they are wearing perfume or cologne.  And I have asked the general manager to leave because his cologne was irritating me. I don’t have references on any of these. I expect that two or more of them may be contributing to increased asthma. Isolating them is would be a nightmare. FYI, there is a not small subset of epidemiologist who are unconvinced that the actual rate of asthma has risen at all.  They have made some reasonable arguments that the ‘increase’ in asthma may be a result of more accurate screening and fewer missed diagnoses.  (And more than a little bit of over diagnosis.)  Ever notice how when new people with asthma come here one of the frequent recommendations is to go to a specialist to make sure it really is asthma? It’s a terrible responsibility – but somebody has to be the Americans.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Most of the infectious diseases (e.g. measles,mumps,rubella) that infants are vaccinated against are, the vast majority of the time, mild and harmless. Measles kills one million children per year according to Unicef data. Authors since William Osler in the 1890’s have described it as one of the leading causes of morbidity and mortality among children. Rubella is mild in the child but causes "fetal rubella syndrome" (several birth defects) if pregant mother catch it. Mumps causes a series of perment problems including infertility in men. "Mild and harmless" indeed. Measles does kill this many, mostly in third world countries, and the reason is because of severe malnutrition. A weakened immune system from malnutrition is not able to fight off what would otherwise be a very mild, harmless disease. The way to wipe out deaths from measles and other infectious diseases is improved nutrition and sanitation, not vaccines.

This is a half truth. True the malnurished are more vulnerable but it also strikes healthy children. The reason it is common in third world countries is because they do not vaccinate. The measles vaccine isn’t even very good at stopping the spread of the disease. Lots of people who get measles have already been vaccinated against it. The same is true of other vaccines.

Again, half true. While no vaccine gives 100% immunity, in recent outbreaks in the US and in Europe unvaccinated people were overwhelmingly more likely to get measles than vaccinated ones. If mumps and rubella are mild diseases in childhood, why are their vaccines being given to infants whose immune systems are still immature and developing?

Because that is the only way to get high vaccination rates. People just don’t turn out in large numbers to vaccinate at any age after infancy. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Infectious diseases contracted at an appropriate age and allowed to run their course can be beneficial because they serve to prime and mature the child’s immune system. They play a vital role in the development of a strong, healthy immune system. Again, frequently hypothesized but never proven. This theory suffers from the flaw that it assumes that the few diseases that are immunized against repesent a significan proportion of the different infections a child will face growing up. The immune system gets plent of stimulation without seeing these infections. It also assumes that the immune stimulation is fundamentally different than the stimulation recieved by the vaccine. While they certainly are not the same they are similar and there is not reason to suspect that one is good and needed and the other is harmful. As the years go by children’s immune systems are getting less and less stimulation because of the increasing number of diseases that they are being vaccinated against.

Pure BS. Children are exposed to hundreds if not thousands of viruses every year. There is no evidence that immunizing against the few organisms that we do immunize against (which also stimulates the immune system by the way) makes and significant difference in the number of infections the kids are exposed to. There is a fundamental difference between the immune stimulation received from a vaccine and that received naturally. There’s more to immune stimulation than just antibody production, which is all that vaccines replicate. Natural immunization is a complex process and involves many organs and systems. Naturally acquired immunity  is far more powerful than the "immunity" received from vaccines. Reinfection with a disease is very rare after having had the disease, whereas it can be quite easy to catch it after being vaccinated against it. Epidemics breaking out in fully vaccinated populations are not uncommon.

The body of evidence showing that vaccines work would argue against this. Infections post vaccination tend to be milder and have fewer complications even when they do occur. Besides, there is nothing about these statements that provides any logical arguement against vaccinating. — CBI, M.D. Please note: It is impossible to accurately diagnose medical problems without seeing the patient and reviewing the entire history. These posts are intended to be helpful and informative. Always check with your doctor before following any advice given.

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Today the spell check no longer works. Oh well….. — CBI

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Surfer – you may also notice that now my spell check works. Yippee. Not a chance!  My spelling is awful – but my spell checker works just fine!  However congratulations on sorting out MS Outlook.  I reckon you deserve a medal, of at the very least some additional kind of qualification. PS the cats are impressed as well.  ;-) <snip — Surfer!

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Measles does kill this many, mostly in third world countries, and the reason is because of severe malnutrition. A weakened immune system from malnutrition is not able to fight off what would otherwise be a very mild, harmless disease. The way to wipe out deaths from measles and other infectious diseases is improved nutrition and sanitation, not vaccines.

So you have a problem with giving them a vaccinate that can save their lives?   The measles vaccine isn’t even very good at stopping the spread of the disease. Lots of people who get measles have already been vaccinated against it. The same is true of other vaccines.

If this is true, then explain the lack of measles epidemics in vaccinated populations.  The fact is that vaccinations work.   If mumps and rubella are mild diseases in childhood, why are their vaccines being given to infants whose immune systems are still immature and developing?

Maybe because we want to protect the children from the disease? As the years go by children’s immune systems are getting less and less stimulation because of the increasing number of diseases that they are being vaccinated against.

Notice the logical flaw here?  The vaccines provide stimulation in that they fool the body into thinking it has the disease, causing it to learn how to defeat it. There is a fundamental difference between the immune stimulation received from a vaccine and that received naturally. There’s more to immune stimulation than just antibody production, which is all that vaccines replicate. Natural immunization is a complex process and involves many organs and systems. Naturally acquired immunity  is far more powerful than the "immunity" received from vaccines. Reinfection with a disease is very rare after having had the disease, whereas it can be quite easy to catch it after being vaccinated against it. Epidemics breaking out in fully vaccinated populations are not uncommon.

Can you provide scientific references to the above?  This sounds mostly like speculation. It’s a terrible responsibility – but somebody has to be the Americans.

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An excellent article that shows the ‘before vaccination’ and ‘after vaccination’ death rates for diseases is at: http://www.cdc.gov/od/nvpo/arttop10a.htm "Measles. Measles vaccine was licensed in the United States in 1963. During 1958-1962, an average of 503,282 measles cases and 432 measles-associated deaths were reported each year (9-11). Measles incidence and deaths began to decline in 1965 and continued a 33-year downward trend. This trend was interrupted by epidemics in 1970-1972, 1976-1978, and 1989-1991. In 1998, measles reached a provisional record low number of 89 cases with no measles-associated deaths (13). All cases in 1998 were either documented to be associated with international importations (69 cases) or believed to be associated with international importations (CDC, unpublished data, 1998). In 1994, every dollar spent to purchase measles-containing vaccine saved $10.30 in direct medical costs and $3.20 in indirect societal costs (7). " It’s a terrible responsibility – but somebody has to be the Americans.

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Most of the infectious diseases (e.g. measles,mumps,rubella) that infants are vaccinated against are, the vast majority of the time, mild and harmless. Measles kills one million children per year according to Unicef data. Authors since William Osler in the 1890’s have described it as one of the leading causes of morbidity and mortality among children. Rubella is mild in the child but causes "fetal rubella syndrome" (several birth defects) if pregant mother catch it. Mumps causes a series of perment problems including infertility in men. "Mild and harmless" indeed.

Measles does kill this many, mostly in third world countries, and the reason is because of severe malnutrition. A weakened immune system from malnutrition is not able to fight off what would otherwise be a very mild, harmless disease. The way to wipe out deaths from measles and other infectious diseases is improved nutrition and sanitation, not vaccines. The measles vaccine isn’t even very good at stopping the spread of the disease. Lots of people who get measles have already been vaccinated against it. The same is true of other vaccines. If mumps and rubella are mild diseases in childhood, why are their vaccines being given to infants whose immune systems are still immature and developing? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Infectious diseases contracted at an appropriate age and allowed to run their course can be beneficial because they serve to prime and mature the child’s immune system. They play a vital role in the development of a strong, healthy immune system. Again, frequently hypothesized but never proven. This theory suffers from the flaw that it assumes that the few diseases that are immunized against repesent a significan proportion of the different infections a child will face growing up. The immune system gets plent of stimulation without seeing these infections. It also assumes that the immune stimulation is fundamentally different than the stimulation recieved by the vaccine. While they certainly are not the same they are similar and there is not reason to suspect that one is good and needed and the other is harmful.

As the years go by children’s immune systems are getting less and less stimulation because of the increasing number of diseases that they are being vaccinated against. There is a fundamental difference between the immune stimulation received from a vaccine and that received naturally. There’s more to immune stimulation than just antibody production, which is all that vaccines replicate. Natural immunization is a complex process and involves many organs and systems. Naturally acquired immunity  is far more powerful than the "immunity" received from vaccines. Reinfection with a disease is very rare after having had the disease, whereas it can be quite easy to catch it after being vaccinated against it. Epidemics breaking out in fully vaccinated populations are not uncommon. Before you buy.

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In studying asthma/allergies one thing that comes up now and again are accoditale reports of increased allergies after a population is cure of parasites. Particularly worms. I also notice that singular has a warning that it may reduce the bodies immune reaction to parasites. I have also seen reports of allergies being cured by an infestation of liver flukes. They killed the patient but he died with a clear head:) There are some whip worms that do not produce disease in humans that I have considered trying.

I think you will find that many sorts of infections and other inflamation-causing conditions will sometimes result in a reduction in allergies and asthma symptoms.  When there is an inflammation somewhere in the body the body concentrates its efforts there and more generalized inflammations may be reduced.  In other cases, however, the localized inflammation may cause a generalized increase in inflammation-causing hormones and make the allergy or asthma worse. There are other paradoxes.  I can recall as a child discovering that climbing stairs would not only temporarily relieve my nasal congestion but would also (once I caught my breath) reduce my wheezing.  I always figured that it was the increase in blood pressure that did it, though I suppose there are other explanations.

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<snip Catalytic converter and gasoline with sulfur in it make sulphonic acid that bothers me a lot. Possible the cleaner exhaust are more damaging to the lungs than the dirty exhaust were. A lot more people are exposed to exhaust fumes every year. Comparative studies in some Siberia might lend some light on this.

<snip The incidence of asthma in the north-west of Scotland (*very* clean air for those who don’t know it) is as high as anywhere else in the UK. — Surfer!

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Surfer – you may also notice that now my spell check works. Yippee.

Not a chance!  My spelling is awful – but my spell checker works just fine!  However congratulations on sorting out MS Outlook.  I reckon you deserve a medal, of at the very least some additional kind of qualification. PS the cats are impressed as well.  ;-) <snip — Surfer!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – another plausible cause for increasing asthma diagnoses is not only better recognition of the disease process itself, but increasing amounts of airborne pollution’s, exposure to chemical irritants used to "make life easier" ie cleaning agents, glues, plastics, carpets, home building materials, etc. Yep, that’s a plausible explaination.  Yet when kids with asthma/allergies were tested it turns out they were most allergic to cockroaches.  Totally defies logic, since in theory homes have gotten cleaner and more cockroach free.  The expectation was that house dust would be the biggie, but there you are. There’s a hell of a lot that’s not understood at all here.  And clinging to one theory or another does one little good.  The real issue is what works and what doesn’t. That study looked at two groups of kids. In children living in rural areas the principle allergy stimulating asthma was dust mites, as previous studies have shown. In inner city kids it was cockroaches. If you have ever lived in an American inner city this makes sense. It also helps explain part of the differences due to socioeconomic and racial status. Furthermore it lets us know that interventions and environmental modifications should stress different issues between these two groups.

OK, that isn’t quite the way I heard it, but my info was 3rd or 4th hand.

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Some things I think could be contrbuting to asthma: In studying asthma/allergies one thing that comes up now and again are accoditale reports of increased allergies after a population is cure of parasites. Particularly worms. I also notice that singular has a warning that it may reduce the bodies immune reaction to parasites. I have also seen reports of allergies being cured by an infestation of liver flukes. They killed the patient but he died with a clear head:) There are some whip worms that do not produce disease in humans that I have considered trying.

Are there solid evidence based references for the above or it this based on people’s hypothesis? I would suspect that the above is based on a misunderstanding of the functioning of the immune system.  Immunoglobulin E (IgE) is an antibody that provides resistance to parasitic infection.  Your body produces the various immunoglobulin as a learned response to an infection (or what the body thinks is an infection).  Getting a case or worms is not going to do anything about the immunoglobulins that are designed specifically to react to an allergen such as a pollen protein. (If your hypothesis were correct then getting my flu shot would also protect me from colds – as most of us can tell, it dosent work that way.) The increase of energy efficient homes, the use of manufactured materials such as particle board and wide spread carpeting have IMO lead to an marked decrease in indoor air quality.

Maybe, maybe not.  There is a lot of evidence that these can make existing cases of asthma worse, but not any convincing evidence that it causes asthma. Catalytic converter and gasoline with sulfur in it make sulphonic acid that bothers me a lot. Possible the cleaner exhaust are more damaging to the lungs than the dirty exhaust were. A lot more people are exposed to exhaust fumes every year. Comparative studies in some Siberia might lend some light on this.

This hypothesis was tested shortly after the two Germanies reunited. The findings were that although the incidence of asthma was the same for (relatively unpolluted) West germany as it was for (heavily polluted East Germany – there was a direct correlation between the severity of the pollution and the severity of the asthma. I know I do better away from vehicle exhaust, wood smoke, and all the people that wear perfume and the stores that use air freshener.

All of these are respiratory irritants.  I have a sign on my office door telling people not to enter if they are wearing perfume or cologne.  And I have asked the general manager to leave because his cologne was irritating me. I don’t have references on any of these. I expect that two or more of them may be contributing to increased asthma. Isolating them is would be a nightmare.

FYI, there is a not small subset of epidemiologist who are unconvinced that the actual rate of asthma has risen at all.  They have made some reasonable arguments that the ‘increase’ in asthma may be a result of more accurate screening and fewer missed diagnoses.  (And more than a little bit of over diagnosis.)  Ever notice how when new people with asthma come here one of the frequent recommendations is to go to a specialist to make sure it really is asthma? It’s a terrible responsibility – but somebody has to be the Americans.

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The increase of energy efficient homes, the use of manufactured materials such as particle board and wide spread carpeting have IMO lead to an marked decrease in indoor air quality.

you have several good points there, but the picture isn’t all bad. energy-efficient buildings have crappy air because people (at least at first) forgot that buildings need ventilation. put in some energy-efficient air exchange systems and they’re just fine – or, at least, a lot better than without such systems. manufactured materials can’t be done without any longer; remember, that huge group includes steel, glass and concrete. the good part is that materials science is getting ever better, and we’re getting handles on why things like early formaldehyde-fuming particle boards are so dangerous, meaning we can get rid of things like formaldehyde and test for their presence. carpeting i’ll agree with you on without qualifications, though. back home in europe people don’t generally do the wall-to-wall carpeting thing, and since moving to the USA i’ve quickly come to consider the fashion utterly insane. give me a good hardwood or even vinyl floor with throwrugs you can wash any day. Catalytic converter and gasoline with sulfur in it make sulphonic acid that bothers me a lot.

personally, i’m more bothered by the carbon monoxide older cars put out. but then, i’m not asthmatic. my wife, who is asthmatic, is bothered far more by the (uncathalyzed) diesel trucks, and the USA has a leg up here: in europe, ordinary family cars often run on diesel because tax laws make the fuel cheaper. yes, it’s insane to run tiny sedans on engines better suited for 18-wheelers, but that doesn’t stop anybody from doing it. Possible the cleaner exhaust are more damaging to the lungs than the dirty exhaust were.

possibly, but i doubt it. my opinion is that cathalyzers did a great and good thing if they never did anything more than get rid of the tetraethyl lead from the gasoline; i’ve got some simple knowledge of chemistry, and that stuff is _scary_. I know I do better away from vehicle exhaust, wood smoke, and all the people that wear perfume and the stores that use air freshener.

so do i, and i don’t even have asthma. i can’t understand why most people wear perfumes and deodorants that usually make them smell worse than the body odour they’re trying to cover up.

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Here is the post from the other group that I mentioned earlier.   Methods:  Data were used from the Third National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey on infants aged 2 months through adolescents aged 16 years.  DTP or tetanus vaccination, lifetime allergy history, and allergy symptoms in the past 12 months were based on parental or guardian recall. Logistic regression modeling was performed to estimate the effects of DTP or tetanus vaccination on each allergy.

This analysis requires that the parents who had their kids vaccinated had equally well diagnosed asthma and allergies and that they understand and recall these diagnoses equally well. While participation in internet groups might suggest to some that most unvaccinated children are because of well thought out choices among intelligent parents with good access to healthcare, this is not the case. Most unvaccinated kids in the US are due to uneducated parents with poor access to healthcare services. I have many uneducated patients that would say they don’t have asthma, but "chronic bronchitis" (for which they regularly seek antibiotics) and who come in every spring insisting that their symptoms of sneezing, itchy eyes, and nasal congestion are from sinus infections and colds (again seeking antibiotics).   Results:  The odds of having a history of asthma was twice as great among vaccinated subjects than among unvaccinated subjects (adjusted odds ratio, 2.00; 95% confidence interval, 0.59 to 6.74).  The odds of having had any allergy-related respiratory symptom in the past 12 months was 63% greater among vaccinated subjects than unvaccinated subjects (adjusted odds ratio, 1.63; 95% confidence interval, 1.05 to 2.54).  The associations between vaccination and subsequent allergies and symptoms were greatest among children aged 5 through 10 years.

For asthma they did not reach statistical significance and for allergies they barely did. If you accept a 5% error rate (or 95 confidence intervals) then one in every 11 unrelated variables tested will show a false correlation. When you consider that the authors apparently didn’t even feel they needed to reach a 95% confidence to publish the results the problem is compounded. This is an example of inappropriate data crunching and against the principals of well designed studies.   Conclusions:  DTP or tetanus vaccination appears to increase the risk of allergies and related respiratory symptoms in children and adolescents. Although it is unlikely that these results are entirely because of any sources of bias, the small number of unvaccinated subjects and the study design limit our ability to make firm causal inferences about the true magnitude of effect.   Hurwitz EL, Morgenstern H.  Journal of Manipulative and Physiological Therapeutics.  February 2000; Vol. 23, No. 2, pp. 81-90.

A more accurate conclusion would be: "While the results of this study are most  likely spurious correlations from over analysis of data they may truly reflect that underimmunization is a risk factor for failure to receive, understand, and recall correct diagnoses and treatments for common conditions." As I’ve stated there are several fatal errors:     1) The method is flawed and fails to consider socioeconomic and educational factors in the receipt of vaccine, the diagnoses of asthma and allergies, and the recall of them.     2) One of the two outcomes tested didn’t reach statistical significance and so should really be not discussed at all.     3) The entire method of culling over old data looking for correlations without a working hypothesis to be tested is poor science. As amp points out in his post, it leads to publication of implausible correlations (like back pain, depression, asthma, and immunization) and is generally considered poor study design.     4) The study was published in a journal of "manipulative therapeutics" , i.e. chiropractors and other alternative health practitioners. Other than to forward their beliefs that vaccination is bad and to provide references to "scientific literature" for propagandists to cite, it is off topic to the journal. The very fact that an article on vaccination was published in a journal about manipulation should arouse suspicion. — CBI, M.D. Please note: It is impossible to accurately diagnose medical problems without seeing the patient and reviewing the entire history. These posts are intended to be helpful and informative. Always check with your doctor before following any advice given.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Over the past few decades there has been a dramatic increase in the incidence of asthma and other autoimmune diseases. One plausible explanation is that the medical industry itself is responsible for the rise. The long-term effects of multiple vaccinations on certain people’s immune systems can be detrimental. Most of the infectious diseases (e.g. measles,mumps,rubella) that infants are vaccinated against are, the vast majority of the time, mild and harmless. Infectious diseases contracted at an appropriate age and allowed to run their course can be beneficial because they serve to prime and mature the child’s immune system. They play a vital role in the development of a strong, healthy immune system. Messing around with an immature, developing immune system by simultaneously vaccinating against multiple diseases denies it the opportunity to learn and grow stronger, as nature intended. It can only strengthen by overcoming challenges, not by avoiding them. In later years this avoidance may result in conditions like asthma, where the immune system starts to act in a totally exaggerated and inappropriate manner. Several studies have shown that vaccinated children have a higher incidence of asthma than unvaccinated children, and that infection with childhood disease can lower the risk of getting asthma later on: http://www.909shot.com/dimedia.htm The myths that vaccines are safe and effective are addressed here: http://www.unc.edu/~aphillip/www/vaccine/dvm1.htm Before you buy.

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Over the past few decades there has been a dramatic increase in the incidence of asthma and other autoimmune diseases. One plausible explanation is that the medical industry itself is responsible for the rise. The long-term effects of multiple vaccinations on certain people’s immune systems can be detrimental. This has been studied.  The rate of asthma is identical for vaccinated and unvaccinated children in the US and Great Britain.

Some things I think could be contrbuting to asthma: In studying asthma/allergies one thing that comes up now and again are accoditale reports of increased allergies after a population is cure of parasites. Particularly worms. I also notice that singular has a warning that it may reduce the bodies immune reaction to parasites. I have also seen reports of allergies being cured by an infestation of liver flukes. They killed the patient but he died with a clear head:) There are some whip worms that do not produce disease in humans that I have considered trying. The increase of energy efficient homes, the use of manufactured materials such as particle board and wide spread carpeting have IMO lead to an marked decrease in indoor air quality. Catalytic converter and gasoline with sulfur in it make sulphonic acid that bothers me a lot. Possible the cleaner exhaust are more damaging to the lungs than the dirty exhaust were. A lot more people are exposed to exhaust fumes every year. Comparative studies in some Siberia might lend some light on this. I know I do better away from vehicle exhaust, wood smoke, and all the people that wear perfume and the stores that use air freshener. I don’t have references on any of these. I expect that two or more of them may be contributing to increased asthma. Isolating them is would be a nightmare. — Gordon    W5RED www.couger.com/gcouger "You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take."   – Wayne Gretzky

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Surfer – you may also notice that now my spell check works. Yippee. — CBI, M.D. Please note: It is impossible to accurately diagnose medical problems without seeing the patient and reviewing the entire history. These posts are intended to be helpful and informative. Always check with your doctor before following any advice given.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Over the past few decades there has been a dramatic increase in the incidence of asthma and other autoimmune diseases. One plausible explanation is that the medical industry itself is responsible for the rise. The long-term effects of multiple vaccinations on certain people’s immune systems can be detrimental. Most of the infectious diseases (e.g. measles,mumps,rubella) that infants are vaccinated against are, the vast majority of the time, mild and harmless. The diseases mentioned above all have significant rates of complication and mortality.  They are not harmless in the way a cold is.  Nor are they pleasant to experience. Infectious diseases contracted at an appropriate age and allowed to run their course can be beneficial because they serve to prime and mature the child’s immune system. They play a vital role in the development of a strong, healthy immune system. How does ‘nature’ ensure a child is of the ‘appropriate age’ when it gets (say) measles?  Once the effects of maternal antibodies wear off unvaccinated children of *all* ages are equally prone to getting measles, mumps and so on. Messing around with an immature, developing immune system by simultaneously vaccinating against multiple diseases denies it the opportunity to learn and grow stronger, as nature intended. It can only strengthen by overcoming challenges, not by avoiding them. Just how do you think a vaccine works if not by challenging the immune system? In later years this avoidance may result in conditions like asthma, where the immune system starts to act in a totally exaggerated and inappropriate manner. Never heard that asthma is an auto-immune disease before. Several studies have shown that vaccinated children have a higher incidence of asthma than unvaccinated children, and that infection with childhood disease can lower the risk of getting asthma later on: http://www.909shot.com/dimedia.htm The myths that vaccines are safe and effective are addressed here: Nothing is 100% safe.  However most people believe that the low (almost 0% depending on the vaccine concerned) incidence of the disease being vaccinated against in vaccinated people is causal.  What do you put it down to? — Surfer!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – another plausible cause for increasing asthma diagnoses is not only better recognition of the disease process itself, but increasing amounts of airborne pollution’s, exposure to chemical irritants used to "make life easier" ie cleaning agents, glues, plastics, carpets, home building materials, etc. Yep, that’s a plausible explaination.  Yet when kids with asthma/allergies were tested it turns out they were most allergic to cockroaches.  Totally defies logic, since in theory homes have gotten cleaner and more cockroach free.  The expectation was that house dust would be the biggie, but there you are. There’s a hell of a lot that’s not understood at all here.  And clinging to one theory or another does one little good.  The real issue is what works and what doesn’t.

That study looked at two groups of kids. In children living in rural areas the principle allergy stimulating asthma was dust mites, as previous studies have shown. In inner city kids it was cockroaches. If you have ever lived in an American inner city this makes sense. It also helps explain part of the differences due to socioeconomic and racial status. Furthermore it lets us know that interventions and environmental modifications should stress different issues between these two groups. — CBI, M.D. Please note: It is impossible to accurately diagnose medical problems without seeing the patient and reviewing the entire history. These posts are intended to be helpful and informative. Always check with your doctor before following any advice given.

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Over the past few decades there has been a dramatic increase in the incidence of asthma and other autoimmune diseases. One plausible explanation is that the medical industry itself is responsible for the rise. The long-term effects of multiple vaccinations on certain people’s immune systems can be detrimental. Most of the infectious diseases (e.g. measles,mumps,rubella) that infants are vaccinated against are, the vast majority of the time, mild and harmless.

The diseases mentioned above all have significant rates of complication and mortality.  They are not harmless in the way a cold is.  Nor are they pleasant to experience. Infectious diseases contracted at an appropriate age and allowed to run their course can be beneficial because they serve to prime and mature the child’s immune system. They play a vital role in the development of a strong, healthy immune system.

How does ‘nature’ ensure a child is of the ‘appropriate age’ when it gets (say) measles?  Once the effects of maternal antibodies wear off unvaccinated children of *all* ages are equally prone to getting measles, mumps and so on. Messing around with an immature, developing immune system by simultaneously vaccinating against multiple diseases denies it the opportunity to learn and grow stronger, as nature intended. It can only strengthen by overcoming challenges, not by avoiding them.

Just how do you think a vaccine works if not by challenging the immune system? In later years this avoidance may result in conditions like asthma, where the immune system starts to act in a totally exaggerated and inappropriate manner.

Never heard that asthma is an auto-immune disease before. Several studies have shown that vaccinated children have a higher incidence of asthma than unvaccinated children, and that infection with childhood disease can lower the risk of getting asthma later on: http://www.909shot.com/dimedia.htm The myths that vaccines are safe and effective are addressed here:

Nothing is 100% safe.  However most people believe that the low (almost 0% depending on the vaccine concerned) incidence of the disease being vaccinated against in vaccinated people is causal.  What do you put it down to? — Surfer!

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another plausible cause for increasing asthma diagnoses is not only better recognition of the disease process itself, but increasing amounts of airborne pollutions, exposure to chemical irritants used to "make life easier" ie cleaning agents, glues, plastics, carpets, home building materials, etc. Since I doubt we’ll find a cure any time soon I would suggest more attention be given to what we do know, and becoming compliant with treatment plans vs spending time speculating without any ability to make find solutions. Scooby RCP, EMT-P Perinatal-Pediatric Respiratory Specialist This mail is a natural product.  The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects.

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another plausible cause for increasing asthma diagnoses is not only better recognition of the disease process itself, but increasing amounts of airborne pollutions, exposure to chemical irritants used to "make life easier" ie cleaning agents, glues, plastics, carpets, home building materials, etc.

Yep, that’s a plausible explaination.  Yet when kids with asthma/allergies were tested it turns out they were most allergic to cockroaches.  Totally defies logic, since in theory homes have gotten cleaner and more cockroach free.  The expectation was that house dust would be the biggie, but there you are. There’s a hell of a lot that’s not understood at all here.  And clinging to one theory or another does one little good.  The real issue is what works and what doesn’t.

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Several studies have shown that vaccinated children have a higher incidence of asthma than unvaccinated children, and that infection with childhood disease can lower the risk of getting asthma later on:

Were this true, it could easily be due to the availability of medical care and hence the likelihood of being diagnosed with asthma.  IMO, a substantial part of the increase in asthma diagnoses is probably due to a simple "widening of the net", diagnosing more and more marginal cases.

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Over the past few decades there has been a dramatic increase in the incidence of asthma and other autoimmune diseases. One plausible explanation is that the medical industry itself is responsible for the rise. The long-term effects of multiple vaccinations on certain people’s immune systems can be detrimental.

This debate has been raging on the alt.kidshealth newsgroup. This statement has been repeatedly made and never substantiated. maybe you would like to take a try. Most of the infectious diseases (e.g. measles,mumps,rubella) that infants are vaccinated against are, the vast majority of the time, mild and harmless.

Measles kills one million children per year according to Unicef data. Authors since William Osler in the 1890’s have described it as one of the leading causes of morbidity and mortality among children. Rubella is mild in the child but causes "fetal rubella syndrome" (several birth defects) if pregant mother catch it. Mumps causes a series of perment problems including infertility in men. "Mild and harmless" indeed. Infectious diseases contracted at an appropriate age and allowed to run their course can be beneficial because they serve to prime and mature the child’s immune system. They play a vital role in the development of a strong, healthy immune system.

Again, frequently hypothesized but never proven. This theory suffers from the flaw that it assumes that the few diseases that are immunized against repesent a significan proportion of the different infections a child will face growing up. The immune system gets plent of stimulation without seeing these infections. It also assumes that the immune stimulation is fundamentally different than the stimulation recieved by the vaccine. While they certainly are not the same they are similar and there is not reason to suspect that one is good and needed and the other is harmful. Messing around with an immature, developing immune system by simultaneously vaccinating against multiple diseases denies it the opportunity to learn and grow stronger, as nature intended.

So nature intended the immune sytem to face one infection at a time? Come on, how can that be true? How does vaccination deny the opportunity to learn and grow stronger? This is exactly what the vaccine does with dereased risks to the child. It can only strengthen by overcoming challenges, not by avoiding them. In later years this avoidance may result in conditions like asthma, where the immune system starts to act in a totally exaggerated and inappropriate manner.

This is just purely nonsensical. It may also result in lower infant mortality and more adults. There is no evidence for your assertions. Several studies have shown that vaccinated children have a higher incidence of asthma than unvaccinated children, and that infection with childhood disease can lower the risk of getting asthma later on:

This study has been discussed on the other board. It has several flaws and the authors themselves do not support your interpretation of the data. I’ll try to repost my response here. — CBI, M.D. Please note: It is impossible to accurately diagnose medical problems without seeing the patient and reviewing the entire history. These posts are intended to be helpful and informative. Always check with your doctor before following any advice given.

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Over the past few decades there has been a dramatic increase in the incidence of asthma and other autoimmune diseases. One plausible explanation is that the medical industry itself is responsible for the rise. The long-term effects of multiple vaccinations on certain people’s immune systems can be detrimental.

This has been studied.  The rate of asthma is identical for vaccinated and unvaccinated children in the US and Great Britain. It’s a terrible responsibility – but somebody has to be the Americans.

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Over the past few decades there has been a dramatic increase in the incidence of asthma and other autoimmune diseases. One plausible explanation is that the medical industry itself is responsible for the rise. The long-term effects of multiple vaccinations on certain people’s immune systems can be detrimental. Most of the infectious diseases (e.g. measles,mumps,rubella) that infants are vaccinated against are, the vast majority of the time, mild and harmless. Infectious diseases contracted at an appropriate age and allowed to run their course can be beneficial because they serve to prime and mature the child’s immune system. They play a vital role in the development of a strong, healthy immune system. Messing around with an immature, developing immune system by simultaneously vaccinating against multiple diseases denies it the opportunity to learn and grow stronger, as nature intended. It can only strengthen by overcoming challenges, not by avoiding them. In later years this avoidance may result in conditions like asthma, where the immune system starts to act in a totally exaggerated and inappropriate manner. Several studies have shown that vaccinated children have a higher incidence of asthma than unvaccinated children, and that infection with childhood disease can lower the risk of getting asthma later on: http://www.909shot.com/dimedia.htm The myths that vaccines are safe and effective are addressed here: http://www.unc.edu/~aphillip/www/vaccine/dvm1.htm Before you buy.

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