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Please answer this question for my own edification. Is CS an anti-viral or anti-bacterial agent? Since colds are viral howcan this be an effective remedy if CS is an anit-baterial agent only thanks, Ken. kenny
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Please answer this question for my own edification. Is CS an anti-viral or anti-bacterial agent? Since colds are viral howcan this be an effective remedy if CS is an anit-baterial agent only
CS attaches itself to all one celled critters and kills them, be they viral, fungal or bacterial. Yes, it will even kill the good bacteria in your system which is why it is recomended that when one is using CS, one also eats yogurt or something like it to keep good bacteria going in the body. Please read the CS reports on my webpages for more information. James Vernon, Allison http://apothecary.hypermart.net
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Please answer this question for my own edification. Is CS an anti-viral or anti-bacterial agent? Since colds are viral howcan this be an effective remedy if CS is an anit-baterial agent only CS attaches itself to all one celled critters and kills them, be they viral, fungal or bacterial.
Viruses are not "one-celled." They aren’t cells at all; they’re much smaller. Yes, it will even kill the good bacteria in your system which is why it is recomended that when one is using CS, one also eats yogurt or something like it to keep good bacteria going in the body.
How come the CS doesn’t kill that too? — David Wright :: wright at ibnets.com :: Not a Spokesman for Anyone These are my opinions only, but they’re almost always correct. "Few things give a greater feeling of security than a full gas tank."
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So david…. is CS anti baterial or anto viral or both.. I still have not heard an intelligent answer. Thanks, ken kenny
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So david…. is CS anti baterial or anto viral or both.. I still have not heard an intelligent answer.
I think it’s both — in vitro. That is to say, if you take some CS and dump it on viruses or bacteria that you’re growing in the lab, it can kill them. Which says absolutely nothing about what it’ll do in your body. Bleach does a nice job of killing HIV in the lab, but that doesn’t mean that drinking bleach will cure you of AIDS. (By the way, despite what the proponents of CS say, it is NOT true that bacteria can’t develop a resistance to silver, as a few minutes with Medline will show.) — David Wright :: wright at ibnets.com :: Not a Spokesman for Anyone These are my opinions only, but they’re almost always correct. "Few things give a greater feeling of security than a full gas tank."
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CS is worthless as a cure for anything. It’s supposed to be an antibacterial. — Carol …. Real News Headlines…. "Miners Refuse To Work After Death." ~~~ }<(((0 ~~~ }<{{{o ~~~ }<(((0 ~~~ }<{{{o ~~~ }<(((0 : Please answer this question for my own edification. Is CS an anti-viral or : anti-bacterial agent? Since colds are viral howcan this be an effective remedy : if CS is an anit-baterial agent only : thanks, Ken. : kenny :
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Do you have anything to say that’s positive. You’re a real downer and I’m here to learn…knock it off! HB – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – CS is worthless as a cure for anything. It’s supposed to be an antibacterial. — Carol …. Real News Headlines…. "Miners Refuse To Work After Death." ~~~ }<(((0 ~~~ }<{{{o ~~~ }<(((0 ~~~ }<{{{o ~~~ }<(((0 : Please answer this question for my own edification. Is CS an anti-viral or : anti-bacterial agent? Since colds are viral howcan this be an effective remedy : if CS is an anit-baterial agent only : thanks, Ken. : kenny :
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HI Rob…I’m new to the group…has this nonsense gone on for long by this turpentine personality of hers? HB – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Get used to it. It’s the only life yarrow has. She deserves our pity. Do you have anything to say that’s positive. You’re a real downer and I’m here to learn…knock it off! HB CS is worthless as a cure for anything. It’s supposed to be an antibacterial. — Carol …. Real News Headlines…. "Miners Refuse To Work After Death." ~~~ }<(((0 ~~~ }<{{{o ~~~ }<(((0 ~~~ }<{{{o ~~~ }<(((0 : Please answer this question for my own edification. Is CS an anti-viral or : anti-bacterial agent? Since colds are viral howcan this be an effective remedy : if CS is an anit-baterial agent only : thanks, Ken. : kenny :
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People with HIV seem to get huge jumps in viral load when using CS for too long. Too much of it definately seems to weaken the immune system, especially those in an already weakened state. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I see some discussion of colloidal silver here, and I have a high degree of interest considering that I sell the least expensive CS Generator on the net 
I have personally talked to a couple of the research people at UCLA who did the studies where CS killed every virus it was put up against in under 6 minutes (in a test tube environment mind you), and I have many close friends that have used CS to get rid of things like pink-eye, gum infections, flu’s, ear infections, and even phnemonia! I have also talked with many people that have bought my CSG who have used CS to rid themselves of a great many more illnesses. Heck, my last cold lasted a total of two days! All I can say is that CS works, when used properly. Naysayers can choose to say it doesn’t, however, if they do, I have many friends and customers that will tell them that their braincells must be dead, and as far as I know, there’s no cure for that. James Vernon, Allison http://apothecary.hypermart.net
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Get used to it. It’s the only life yarrow has. She deserves our pity. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you have anything to say that’s positive. You’re a real downer and I’m here to learn…knock it off! HB CS is worthless as a cure for anything. It’s supposed to be an antibacterial. — Carol …. Real News Headlines…. "Miners Refuse To Work After Death." ~~~ }<(((0 ~~~ }<{{{o ~~~ }<(((0 ~~~ }<{{{o ~~~ }<(((0 : Please answer this question for my own edification. Is CS an anti-viral or : anti-bacterial agent? Since colds are viral howcan this be an effective remedy : if CS is an anit-baterial agent only : thanks, Ken. : kenny :
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Someone already pointed out that the AMA doesn’t license anyone, so let’s skip that. Meanwhile, what exactly is it that you’re advocating? Close all the pharmacies and don’t allow any of their wares to be sold, because some people have bad reactions to the stuff?
The only point that I would like to make is that antibiotics may help some and not others, and colloidal silver may help some and not others. Sorry for not going more into detail, but I’m on my way out the door. James Vernon, Allison http://apothecary.hypermart.net
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There has never been one reported case of colloidal silver improving people with VIRAL infections. It works wonders with BACTERIAL infections and the like but is completely useless when it comes to HIV, Hepatitas C, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and the Herpes family of viruses. I was sucked in by reading many ridiculous claims that colloidal silver can eradicate the HIV virus completely. This stuff definately does not have any ANTI-VIRAL properties and is immune suppressing if taken for too long. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have personally talked to a couple of the research people at UCLA who did the studies where CS killed every virus it was put up against in under 6 minutes (in a test tube environment mind you), and I have many close friends that have used CS to get rid of things like pink-eye, gum infections, flu’s, ear infections, and even phnemonia! I have also talked with many people that have bought my CSG who have used CS to rid themselves of a great many more illnesses. Heck, my last cold lasted a total of two days! All I can say is that CS works, when used properly. Naysayers can choose to say it doesn’t, however, if they do, I have many friends and customers that will tell them that their braincells must be dead, and as far as I know, there’s no cure for that. James Vernon, Allison http://apothecary.hypermart.net
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—– Original Message —– But the quacks on these NG’s will keep right on selling it to them as some kind of secret cure. What a shame…to victimize them at their weakest moments.
Very interesting comment. I took some penicilin when I was younger, for strep throat, and it cured me. However, I had a friend that also had strep, and when she got her shot of penicilin, she ended up in the hospital due to some kind of alergic reaction! This kind of thing still happens every day! Those quacks licensed by the AMA keep prescribing it and the pharmacies keep right on selling it to people as some kind of not so secret cure. What a shame…to victomize those sick people at their weakest moments.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – —– Original Message —– But the quacks on these NG’s will keep right on selling it to them as some kind of secret cure. What a shame…to victimize them at their weakest moments. Very interesting comment. I took some penicilin when I was younger, for strep throat, and it cured me. However, I had a friend that also had strep, and when she got her shot of penicilin, she ended up in the hospital due to some kind of alergic reaction! This kind of thing still happens every day! Those quacks licensed by the AMA keep prescribing it and the pharmacies keep right on selling it to people as some kind of not so secret cure. What a shame…to victomize those sick people at their weakest moments.
Allison, The AMA is not a licensing agency. It is a professional organization. It has no power to license. Stupid people, like many politicians, ascribe to it power, but other than votes and lobbying, it has no power. Good points in your example. Keep up the excellent work. Roger
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ihope youre not trying to compare penicillin and all the lives it has saved to silver which i suppose is not that weell proven to work againsts tuff. its not penicilins fault that the friend had a alergic reaction — that was perhaps the physicins for not being more cautious or perhpas just a chance occurance. penicillin has ehlped me get through two serious infections. what kinds of life threatening illnesses such as systemic infection does silver definitely impred? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – —– Original Message —– But the quacks on these NG’s will keep right on selling it to them as some kind of secret cure. What a shame…to victimize them at their weakest moments. Very interesting comment. I took some penicilin when I was younger, for strep throat, and it cured me. However, I had a friend that also had strep, and when she got her shot of penicilin, she ended up in the hospital due to some kind of alergic reaction! This kind of thing still happens every day! Those quacks licensed by the AMA keep prescribing it and the pharmacies keep right on selling it to people as some kind of not so secret cure. What a shame…to victomize those sick people at their weakest moments.
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—– Original Message —– But the quacks on these NG’s will keep right on selling it to them as some kind of secret cure. What a shame…to victimize them at their weakest moments. Very interesting comment. I took some penicilin when I was younger, for strep throat, and it cured me. However, I had a friend that also had strep, and when she got her shot of penicilin, she ended up in the hospital due to some kind of alergic reaction! This kind of thing still happens every day!
Yes, because some people have allergies. What do you propose to do about it? Ban antibiotics? Those quacks licensed by the AMA keep prescribing it and the pharmacies keep right on selling it to people as some kind of not so secret cure. What a shame…to victomize those sick people at their weakest moments.
Someone already pointed out that the AMA doesn’t license anyone, so let’s skip that. Meanwhile, what exactly is it that you’re advocating? Close all the pharmacies and don’t allow any of their wares to be sold, because some people have bad reactions to the stuff? — David Wright :: wright at ibnets.com :: Not a Spokesman for Anyone These are my opinions only, but they’re almost always correct. "Few things give a greater feeling of security than a full gas tank."
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if it kills stuff that well wont it possibly kill a person who takes to much – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I see some discussion of colloidal silver here, and I have a high degree of interest considering that I sell the least expensive CS Generator on the net I have personally talked to a couple of the research people at UCLA who did the studies where CS killed every virus it was put up against in under 6 minutes (in a test tube environment mind you), and I have many close friends that have used CS to get rid of things like pink-eye, gum infections, flu’s, ear infections, and even phnemonia! I have also talked with many people that have bought my CSG who have used CS to rid themselves of a great many more illnesses. Heck, my last cold lasted a total of two days! All I can say is that CS works, when used properly. Naysayers can choose to say it doesn’t, however, if they do, I have many friends and customers that will tell them that their braincells must be dead, and as far as I know, there’s no cure for that. James Vernon, Allison http://apothecary.hypermart.net
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But the quacks on these NG’s will keep right on selling it to them as some kind of secret cure. What a shame…to victimize them at their weakest moments. — Carol …. News Headlines…. "Farmer Bill Dies in House." ~~ }<(((0 ~~~ }<{{{o ~~~ }<(((0 ~~~ }<{{{o ~~~ }<(((0 : People with HIV seem to get huge jumps in viral load when using CS for : too long. Too much of it definately seems to weaken the immune system, : especially those in an already weakened state.
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The strength of the colloidal silver I was taiking was 25 parts per million and it was store bought. As far as I know it was fairly fresh. Colloidal silver also does not prevent people with HIV from developing Pneumocystis Carinii Pneumonia (PCP). But I have heard that colloidal silver has been very effective in many other HIV related infections, sometimes life threatening ones. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – —– Original Message —– Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 6:09 AM People with HIV seem to get huge jumps in viral load when using CS for too long. Too much of it definately seems to weaken the immune system, especially those in an already weakened state. I saw your eariler post as well as this one and have a couple of questions for you (if you don’t mind that is) so that I can try and figure out why CS isn’t helping you. First, the basics to get me started. What kind of CS are you taking? eg. are you buying it from a store, making it yourself etc. And what are the parts per million? And do you know how fresh the CS that you’re using is? I’m sure that your responce will bring about many more questions, and I hope you don’t mind, as I am only trying to help. BTW, I’m not a doctor or anything, and will not give medical advice. I only offer suggestion and guidance if possible. James Vernon, Allison http://apothecary.hypermart.net
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I have personally talked to a couple of the research people at UCLA who did the studies where CS killed every virus it was put up against in under 6 minutes (in a test tube environment mind you),
Very interesting comment. No doubt a good shot of plutonium would also do the same, fancy a dose ? The point is, it may help the condition, but what else is it doing ?
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I have personally talked to a couple of the research people at UCLA who did the studies where CS killed every virus it was put up against in under 6 minutes (in a test tube environment mind you), Very interesting comment. No doubt a good shot of plutonium would also do the same, fancy a dose ? The point is, it may help the condition, but what else is it doing ?
Good point! For me, among other things, I look to see if the substance or procedure is otherwise in harmony with natural living, like stevia. Colloidal silver is a little tiny bit on the weird side. Does it exist naturally in nature?
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 6:09 AM People with HIV seem to get huge jumps in viral load when using CS for too long. Too much of it definately seems to weaken the immune system, especially those in an already weakened state. I saw your eariler post as well as this one and have a couple of questions for you (if you don’t mind that is) so that I can try and figure out why CS isn’t helping you. First, the basics to get me started. What kind of CS are you taking? eg. are you buying it from a store, making it yourself etc. And what are the parts per million? And do you know how fresh the CS that you’re using is? I’m sure that your responce will bring about many more questions, and I hope you don’t mind, as I am only trying to help. BTW, I’m not a doctor or anything, and will not give medical advice. I only offer suggestion and guidance if possible. James Vernon, Allison http://apothecary.hypermart.net
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I see some discussion of colloidal silver here, and I have a high degree of interest considering that I sell the least expensive CS Generator on the net I have personally talked to a couple of the research people at UCLA who did the studies where CS killed every virus it was put up against in under 6 minutes (in a test tube environment mind you), and I have many close friends that have used CS to get rid of things like pink-eye, gum infections, flu’s, ear infections, and even phnemonia! I have also talked with many people that have bought my CSG who have used CS to rid themselves of a great many more illnesses. Heck, my last cold lasted a total of two days! All I can say is that CS works, when used properly. Naysayers can choose to say it doesn’t, however, if they do, I have many friends and customers that will tell them that their braincells must be dead, and as far as I know, there’s no cure for that. James Vernon, Allison http://apothecary.hypermart.net
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see my website at http://members.dynamite.com.au/hubbca for more information.
Thsanks, I will.
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re: Freckles: Calc.Phos. Geez, Carole, where were you when I was a teenager and tried lemon juice to bleach my freckles away?? Now I’m a grown up and find that I much more appreciate these freckles and the fun it is to play dot-to-dot. ; )
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am asking questions to learn. Especially I want to know some real-life examples of good and bad results of CS therapy. My problem is skin disease, and my friend advised me CS, so I try to check it out, OK? It’s not quite the same thing. If CS were so great, there’d be at least a few articles about tests on it that worked well. There are none. If you want to say "it’s because the drug companies suppressed it all," go right ahead. I don’t think so, myself. I don’t know if you’ve heard about cell salts – calcium, potassium, sodium, magnesium, silica and iron but there is a theory on them which says every disease is a deficiency symptom of one or another of the cell salts. I have attached a list of typical symptoms and their associated remedies, although it may not represent the condition you have. I know how good the cell salts are and just recently discovered that calcium in fact, gets rid of athletes foot which is a fungus. Yes believe it or not it does sound incredible but is true and medical science still hasn’t figured it out yet. see my website at http://members.dynamite.com.au/hubbca for more information. SKIN Abscess, for heat and pain: Ferr.Phos. Blisters, with fetid, watery contents: Kali Phos. Blisters, with clear watery contents: Nat.Mur. Burns: Kali Mur. " when suppurating: Calc.Sulph. Burning, as from nettles: Calc.Phos. Chafed skin of infants: Nat.Phos., Nat.Mur. Chapped hands from cold: Ferr.Phos., Calc.Fluor. Chilblains: Kali Phos., Kali Mur. Colourless, watery vesicles: Nat.Mur. Cracks in palms of hands: Calc.Fluor. Dandruff: Kali Sulph., Nt. Mur., Kali Mur. Discharge, albuminous: Calc.Phos. " blood and pus: Calc.Sulph. " fetid: Kali Phos. " thick, yellow pus: Silica. Dry skin: Calc.Phos., Kali Sulph. Eruptions with watery contents: Nat.Mur. " thick, white contents: Kali Mur. Excessive dryness of skin: Nat.Mur. Exudations, when white and fibrinous: Kali Mur. " albuminous: Calc.Phos. " yellow, with small, tough lumps: Calc.Fluor. " " like gold: Nat.Phos. " yellowish and slimy or watery: Kali Sulph. " greenish, thin: Kali Sulph. " clear, transparent, thin like water: Nat.Mur. " mattery, or streaked with blood: Calc.Sulph. " pus is thick, yellow: Silica. " very offensive smelling: Kali Phos. " causing soreness and chafing: Nat.Mur., Kali Phos. Face full of pimples: Calc.Phos., Calc.Sulph. Festers easily: Calc.Sulph., Silica. Fevers, with skin dry and hot: Kali Sulph. Freckles: Calc.Phos. Greasy scales on skin: Kali Phos. Hard, callous skin: Calc.Fluor. Heals slowly: Silica. Herpetic eruptions: Nat.Mur. Horny skin: Calc.Fluor. Inflammation of skin, for fever and heat: Ferr.Phos. " with yellow, watery exudation: Nat.Sulph. Irritating secretions: Kali Phos. Irritation of the skin similar to chilblains: Kali Mur. Itching, as from nettles: Calc.Phos. " of skin, with crawling: Kali Phos., Calc.Phos. " without eruptions: Calc.Phos. Ivy poisoning: Kali Sulph., Nat.Mur Mattery scabs on heads of pimples: Calc.Sulph. Moist scabs on skin: Nat.Sulph. Nettle-rash, after becoming overheated: Nat.Mur. perspiration, lack of: Kali Sulph. " to promote: Kali Sulph. Pimples all over body, like flea-bites: Nat.Phos. " with itching: Calc.Phos. " under beard: Calc.Sulph. Postules on face: Silica, Kali Mur. Rawness of skin in little children: Nat.Phos. Scalds, when suppurating: Calc.Sulph. Scaling eruptions on skin: Calc.Phos., Kali Sulph. Secretions irritate: Kali Phos. Shingles: Kali Mur., Nat. Mur. " nervous symptoms: Kali Phos. " for the pain: Ferr.Phos (powder applied locally). Skin affections with vesicular eruptions containing yellowish water: Nat.Sulph. " yellow scabs: Calc.Sulph. " festers easily: Calc.Sulph. " heard and horny: Calc.Fluor. " heals slowly and suppurates easily after injuries: Silica. " dry, hot and burning, lack of perspiration: Kali Sulph. " itching and burning, as from nettles: Calc.Phos. " scales freely on a sticky base: Kali Sulph. " withered and wrinkled: Kali Phos. Suppurates easily: Silica. Stings of insects: Nat.Mur. (applied locally). To aid desquamation in eruption diseases: Kali Sulph. To assist in the formation of new skin: Kali Sulph. Ulcers around nails: Silica. Unhealthy-looking skin: Silica. Yellow scabs: Calc.Sulph. " scales on skin: Nat.Sulph. Warts: Kali Mur. " in palms of hand: Nat.Mur. Wounds do not heal readily: Calc.Sulph. " neglected, discharge pus: Calc.Sulph. Wrinkled skin: Kali Phos.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are wary of antibiotics and only ever take them when we deem it absolutely necessary and I mostly refuse to take them, but this is not about antibiotics so enough about that. Silver IS a very broad spectrum antibiotic. Of course taken internally it can cause irreversible argyria. And due to lack of quality control, you really don’t know the concentration of the silver in these preparations. One analysis of various brands revealed that several manufacturers were cutting production costs by not bothering to include any silver at all in the product.
That would be the homeopathic one. Very strong stuff the less of it you take <snigger — David Wright :: wright at ibnets.com :: Not a Spokesman for Anyone These are my opinions only, but they’re almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders."
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Silver is not a "Heavy Metal". It is not classified as such, but as a "Nobel Metal" The atomic weight of silver is about 107. By definition the heavy metals start at AW 200. So, even if silver in massive amounts— can become toxic, it is not "heavy metal toxicity".
Actually, there are a number of toxicities associated with silver ingestion besides argyria. Argyria, while not being a deadly condition, certainly is undesirable. It is usually caused by the massive intake of silver salts, such as silver nitrate, silver sulphate, or silver chloride. Is there some way we can ascertain that the boy took Colloidal Silver or one of the other
substances? Argyria has been caused by colloidal silver as well as silver salts. That being said, I agree with you for the need to insure that the quality of CS produced is of a certain standard. I started making my own to insure this, not to save money. If D wants to do this, he must be prepared separate the wheat from the chaff. The link that I posted as a source of information is a good one, lots of chaff (what do you expect?), good info as well.
There is no evidence that "colloidal silver generators" actually create a product that contains any silver. I would suspect that most of them don’t. Distilled water taken in a few drops under the tongue every day, however, can certainly be considered a safe product. How do you know that the "colloidal silver" you "generate" has any silver content?
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Silver is not a "Heavy Metal". It is not classified as such, but as a "Nobel Metal" The atomic weight of silver is about 107. By definition the heavy metals start at AW 200. So, even if silver in massive amounts— can become toxic, it is not "heavy metal toxicity". Argyria, while not being a deadly condition, certainly is undesirable. It is usually caused by the massive intake of silver salts, such as silver nitrate, silver sulphate, or silver chloride. Is there some way we can ascertain that the boy took Colloidal Silver or one of the other substances? That being said, I agree with you for the need to insure that the quality of CS produced is of a certain standard. I started making my own to insure this, not to save money. If D wants to do this, he must be prepared separate the wheat from the chaff. The link that I posted as a source of information is a good one, lots of chaff (what do you expect?), good info as well. http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Best Regards, Arnold —
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Rich, As I understand it, Argyria comes from the use of silver nitrate, not colloids. Tell that to Rosemary Jacobs (http://homepages.together.net/~rjstan/rose2.html and the teenage boy I know. He used colloidal silver. "I personally know a teenager who is now silver in color from long term use of colloidal silver nose drops. He has become ostracized from his friends and very depressed." It would be of great benefit if you would look further into the case and report back to the group. What would you like me to look into.?? This boy was given colloidal nose drops over a period of years (on and off). I do believe the parents are looking into suing the MLMer who sold them the stuff. I do believe that the company that manufactured the colloidal silver that they got has been out of business for a while. I make my own CS and give away many gallons to friends. If there is any potential for harm to anyone I want to know about it. There is certainly potential harm if the concentration of your colloidal silver is too high. Are you able to measure the concentration accurately before giving out the stuff to your friends?? If not then I would warn them about the possible side effects. Good luck. Aloha, Rich If you don’t lie then you never have to remember anything.
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We are wary of antibiotics and only ever take them when we deem it absolutely necessary and I mostly refuse to take them, but this is not about antibiotics so enough about that. Silver IS a very broad spectrum antibiotic. Of course taken internally it can cause irreversible argyria. And due to lack of quality control, you really don’t know the concentration of the silver in these preparations.
One analysis of various brands revealed that several manufacturers were cutting production costs by not bothering to include any silver at all in the product. — David Wright :: wright at ibnets.com :: Not a Spokesman for Anyone These are my opinions only, but they’re almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders."
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any quotations]: [me:] It’s not quite the same thing. If CS were so great, there’d be at least a few articles about tests on it that worked well. There are none. If you want to say "it’s because the drug companies suppressed it all," go right ahead. I don’t think so, myself. I don’t know if you’ve heard about cell salts – calcium, potassium, sodium, magnesium, silica and iron but there is a theory on them which says every disease is a deficiency symptom of one or another of the cell salts.
Oh, boy, have I ever heard about cell salts since you got here. And that theory does exist. It’s ridiculous, but it does exist. — David Wright :: wright at ibnets.com :: Not a Spokesman for Anyone These are my opinions only, but they’re almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders."
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Rich, As I understand it, Argyria comes from the use of silver nitrate, not colloids. As Steven said "I don’t sell or have anything to do with the sellers of colloidal silver or the equipment for it’s production and have no gain in any way from it’s sale or production", same for me.
"I personally know a teenager who is now silver in color from long term use of colloidal silver nose drops. He has become ostracized from his friends and very depressed." It would be of great benefit if you would look further into the case and report back to the group. I make my own CS and give away many gallons to friends. If there is any potential for harm to anyone I want to know about it. BTW, Arnold Beland is my real name. I have used it on scientific newsgroups for some time. I hope that I will not have cause to regret this. Best Regards, Arnold (A fellow Skeptic) (Generally Speaking) —
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are wary of antibiotics and only ever take them when we deem it absolutely necessary and I mostly refuse to take them, but this is not about antibiotics so enough about that. Silver IS a very broad spectrum antibiotic. Of course taken internally it can cause irreversible argyria. And due to lack of quality control, you really don’t know the concentration of the silver in these preparations. Aloha, Rich If you don’t lie then you never have to remember anything.
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I am asking questions to learn. Especially I want to know some real-life examples of good and bad results of CS therapy. My problem is skin disease, and my friend advised me CS, so I try to check it out, OK? It’s not quite the same thing. If CS were so great, there’d be at least a few articles about tests on it that worked well. There are none. If you want to say "it’s because the drug companies suppressed it all," go right ahead. I don’t think so, myself.
I don’t know if you’ve heard about cell salts – calcium, potassium, sodium, magnesium, silica and iron but there is a theory on them which says every disease is a deficiency symptom of one or another of the cell salts. I have attached a list of typical symptoms and their associated remedies, although it may not represent the condition you have. I know how good the cell salts are and just recently discovered that calcium in fact, gets rid of athletes foot which is a fungus. Yes believe it or not it does sound incredible but is true and medical science still hasn’t figured it out yet. see my website at http://members.dynamite.com.au/hubbca for more information. SKIN Abscess, for heat and pain: Ferr.Phos. Blisters, with fetid, watery contents: Kali Phos. Blisters, with clear watery contents: Nat.Mur. Burns: Kali Mur. " when suppurating: Calc.Sulph. Burning, as from nettles: Calc.Phos. Chafed skin of infants: Nat.Phos., Nat.Mur. Chapped hands from cold: Ferr.Phos., Calc.Fluor. Chilblains: Kali Phos., Kali Mur. Colourless, watery vesicles: Nat.Mur. Cracks in palms of hands: Calc.Fluor. Dandruff: Kali Sulph., Nt. Mur., Kali Mur. Discharge, albuminous: Calc.Phos. " blood and pus: Calc.Sulph. " fetid: Kali Phos. " thick, yellow pus: Silica. Dry skin: Calc.Phos., Kali Sulph. Eruptions with watery contents: Nat.Mur. " thick, white contents: Kali Mur. Excessive dryness of skin: Nat.Mur. Exudations, when white and fibrinous: Kali Mur. " albuminous: Calc.Phos. " yellow, with small, tough lumps: Calc.Fluor. " " like gold: Nat.Phos. " yellowish and slimy or watery: Kali Sulph. " greenish, thin: Kali Sulph. " clear, transparent, thin like water: Nat.Mur. " mattery, or streaked with blood: Calc.Sulph. " pus is thick, yellow: Silica. " very offensive smelling: Kali Phos. " causing soreness and chafing: Nat.Mur., Kali Phos. Face full of pimples: Calc.Phos., Calc.Sulph. Festers easily: Calc.Sulph., Silica. Fevers, with skin dry and hot: Kali Sulph. Freckles: Calc.Phos. Greasy scales on skin: Kali Phos. Hard, callous skin: Calc.Fluor. Heals slowly: Silica. Herpetic eruptions: Nat.Mur. Horny skin: Calc.Fluor. Inflammation of skin, for fever and heat: Ferr.Phos. " with yellow, watery exudation: Nat.Sulph. Irritating secretions: Kali Phos. Irritation of the skin similar to chilblains: Kali Mur. Itching, as from nettles: Calc.Phos. " of skin, with crawling: Kali Phos., Calc.Phos. " without eruptions: Calc.Phos. Ivy poisoning: Kali Sulph., Nat.Mur Mattery scabs on heads of pimples: Calc.Sulph. Moist scabs on skin: Nat.Sulph. Nettle-rash, after becoming overheated: Nat.Mur. perspiration, lack of: Kali Sulph. " to promote: Kali Sulph. Pimples all over body, like flea-bites: Nat.Phos. " with itching: Calc.Phos. " under beard: Calc.Sulph. Postules on face: Silica, Kali Mur. Rawness of skin in little children: Nat.Phos. Scalds, when suppurating: Calc.Sulph. Scaling eruptions on skin: Calc.Phos., Kali Sulph. Secretions irritate: Kali Phos. Shingles: Kali Mur., Nat. Mur. " nervous symptoms: Kali Phos. " for the pain: Ferr.Phos (powder applied locally). Skin affections with vesicular eruptions containing yellowish water: Nat.Sulph. " yellow scabs: Calc.Sulph. " festers easily: Calc.Sulph. " heard and horny: Calc.Fluor. " heals slowly and suppurates easily after injuries: Silica. " dry, hot and burning, lack of perspiration: Kali Sulph. " itching and burning, as from nettles: Calc.Phos. " scales freely on a sticky base: Kali Sulph. " withered and wrinkled: Kali Phos. Suppurates easily: Silica. Stings of insects: Nat.Mur. (applied locally). To aid desquamation in eruption diseases: Kali Sulph. To assist in the formation of new skin: Kali Sulph. Ulcers around nails: Silica. Unhealthy-looking skin: Silica. Yellow scabs: Calc.Sulph. " scales on skin: Nat.Sulph. Warts: Kali Mur. " in palms of hand: Nat.Mur. Wounds do not heal readily: Calc.Sulph. " neglected, discharge pus: Calc.Sulph. Wrinkled skin: Kali Phos.
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Sorry if I have offended anybody, it was not my intention. I had really bad experiences with all that "official medical service". Maybe you can trust them, me not. All the best, thank you.
Yes there are some here who share with your experience. There are also some who want alternative medicine to disappear, as in the only way is through conventional *proved* (while much of it isn’t) medicine. Usually anyone who ask anything alternative is bombared by those who have closed minds. Best to find a good alternative practitioner and ask these kinds of questions. Good Luck, Jan
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Hi dhanvantari, My bit is merely anecdotal, yet by playing around with the variables I can safely assume colloidal silver has some benefit, even if not for what some claim. My wife regularly suffers from Candida and thrush, yet diet has not done anything to affect it. We have tried experimenting with various diets including an anti Candida diet which is pretty harsh and no benefits have been gained. I bought a colloidal silver maker and gave it a go wanting to check it out. Within days my wife was free of the Candida and thrush and was elated by the results. So far it does not seem to have actually cured it as if she stops taking it about 2 months down the track it comes back. Now she takes it daily and has not had a recurrence. We tried playing with combinations of diet to support the treatment, yet the same results were evident, about 2 months of not taking cs her Candida returned. If antibiotics are taken then the Candida comes back with a vengeance and much quicker, but is eliminated within a few days. We are wary of antibiotics and only ever take them when we deem it absolutely necessary and I mostly refuse to take them, but this is not about antibiotics so enough about that. When I was younger I suffered greatly with regular colds and flu, and had sinus trouble. In the past 5-6 years I can count the colds on one hand and now if I feel a slight sniffle one of the first things I do is to make some colloidal silver and I don’t get sick. I don’t sell or have anything to do with the sellers of colloidal silver or the equipment for it’s production and have no gain in any way from it’s sale or production. Just responding to a predicted attack that I may have something to gain. Good luck in your search Steven
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As far as I see the facts are that, as usual, there are two contradictory opinions. I am not going to participate in this discussion (but I am reading everything carefully), because I am not an expert. What I am especially lookimg for are factual experiences of people, who had used CS. My general question is: Who is the real authority on this subject? Thank all you for your answers. D
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There are plenty of CS testimonials out there. In fact, there are plenty of testimonials for everything out there. The only question whether they are relevant to you.
At the moment – yes. I have just striated to investigate the subject. You can make bread at home, but many people buy it from a store. The drug companies could make money on it today, just by making it and…
OK. This is a side path at he moment. No, and that’s not what I said. I said that if CS was so great, the drug companies would be making nice a profit on it right now.
My mistake. Sorry. But if they do not, does it mean, that CS doesn’t work – this is my question. Yes I have, and you can stop sounding patronizing.
Sorry. I really would like CS to be so effective – I need sth like this, but I do not say it works. If you had some bad experiences with it, please let me know, but please dot expect me to accept that CS is worthless just because you said so. If you know so much, how come *you* are the one asking all the questions?
I do know some things, but I do not think it is so much. Especially CS is quite new idea for me – I have just read few WWW pages on it. What do you men by "*you*"? I am asking questions to learn. Especially I want to know some real-life examples of good and bad results of CS therapy. My problem is skin disease, and my friend advised me CS, so I try to check it out, OK? It’s not quite the same thing. If CS were so great, there’d be at least a few articles about tests on it that worked well. There are none. If you want to say "it’s because the drug companies suppressed it all," go right ahead. I don’t think so, myself.
I do not want to say yes or not, just see the possibility. But it is different subject, isn’t it? Thank you D
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Just curious. Why do you trust Arnold?? Do you even know that is his real name?? I think it is very silly to trust ANYONE who posts on the internet, especially if it deals with important health care decisions. However it is your right to do so if you choose.
Thanks. Trust does not mean follow. I generally try to trust everybody unless I know the one is not trustworthy. Ah, the conspiracy theory:-)))
You may be right, but I feel… I do not have a single authority. I try to get as much objective information as I can and then make my decision. I do not put much credence in anecdotes or testimonials especially when they are made by people I don’t even know.
Different methodology, but I do understand. Silver taken internally clearly has toxicity. Silver is a heavy metal that binds irreversibly in the body. Since there is no objective evidence that if taken internally that it does anything good, I would not consider ingesting it regardless of how many anecdotes I hear. Anecdotes are a dime a dozen. One’s health is priceless.
Ok. Understood and appreciated. Thank you very much. I would like to hear also some opinions from the other side. best wishes Namaste D
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Not everyone is lying, of course. But just because someone says "I used CS to cure my disease X" does not mean that CS cured their disease. Would you let me consider his statement just as ONE personal testimony on the subject. (the only one – all the rest are just slogans and web links – it’s sth differentt, isn’t it?)
There are plenty of CS testimonials out there. In fact, there are plenty of testimonials for everything out there. The only question whether they are relevant to you. I think you aren’t thinking. If CS was such a miracle drug, the big drug companies would research it, get all sorts of usage patents, and persuade the FDA (and other regulatory bodies) to make it a prescription drug. It would be a huge win for them; the stuff is very cheap to make, but they could sell it at high prices. You are right, thinking is not my best side. I prefere to listen to those who know. As far as I have learned one can make CS at home, so I really cannot see, how drug companies can make money on it. Probably I am a total dumb.
You can make bread at home, but many people buy it from a store. The drug companies could make money on it today, just by making it and selling it over the counter, without any health claims. But they don’t, so they must have more profitable things to do. However, if they had the whole market, they could raise the price a lot and make lots of profit. Would you be so kind to enlighten me? Do you really believe that drug companies exist to help people?
No, and that’s not what I said. I said that if CS was so great, the drug companies would be making nice a profit on it right now. It’s legitimate to say "there is not much in the literature." But the articles that have been in the medical journals are all negative about… Who writes to and reads medical journals? People in distress or those who want to help others??? Have you ever heard about sponsored articles?
Yes I have, and you can stop sounding patronizing. If you know so much, how come *you* are the one asking all the questions? Sorry if I have offended anybody, it was not my intention. I had really bad experiences with all that "official medical service". Maybe you can trust them, me not.
It’s not quite the same thing. If CS were so great, there’d be at least a few articles about tests on it that worked well. There are none. If you want to say "it’s because the drug companies suppressed it all," go right ahead. I don’t think so, myself. — David Wright :: wright at ibnets.com :: Not a Spokesman for Anyone These are my opinions only, but they’re almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders."
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Not everyone is lying, of course. But just because someone says "I used CS to cure my disease X" does not mean that CS cured their disease.
Would you let me consider his statement just as ONE personal testimony on the subject. (the only one – all the rest are just slogans and web links – it’s sth differentt, isn’t it?) I think you aren’t thinking. If CS was such a miracle drug, the big drug companies would research it, get all sorts of usage patents, and persuade the FDA (and other regulatory bodies) to make it a prescription drug. It would be a huge win for them; the stuff is very cheap to make, but they could sell it at high prices.
You are right, thinking is not my best side. I prefere to listen to those who know. As far as I have learned one can make CS at home, so I really cannot see, how drug companies can make money on it. Probably I am a total dumb. Would you be so kind to enlighten me? Do you really believe that drug companies exist to help people? It’s legitimate to say "there is not much in the literature." But the articles that have been in the medical journals are all negative about…
Who writes to and reads medical journals? People in distress or those who want to help others??? Have you ever heard about sponsored articles? Sorry if I have offended anybody, it was not my intention. I had really bad experiences with all that "official medical service". Maybe you can trust them, me not. All the best, thank you.
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I could understand your desire for "factual" experiences… I trust Arnold, who answered my post (maybe I am stupid, buit I still hope that not all people always lie to ohters.)
Not everyone is lying, of course. But just because someone says "I used CS to cure my disease X" does not mean that CS cured their disease. A review of the literature does not turn up anything…. OK. I’ll be careful. But I also have a feeling, that if CS is really effective, big drug companies will do anything they can to kill CS, how do you thing?
I think you aren’t thinking. If CS was such a miracle drug, the big drug companies would research it, get all sorts of usage patents, and persuade the FDA (and other regulatory bodies) to make it a prescription drug. It would be a huge win for them; the stuff is very cheap to make, but they could sell it at high prices. My general question is: Who is the real authority on this subject? You got me. Nice to hear. So please let me ask you a question – who is your authority? I do not trust in self made authorities, so I humbly ask you to answer this anquestion.
It’s legitimate to say "there is not much in the literature." But the articles that have been in the medical journals are all negative about CS. — David Wright :: wright at ibnets.com :: Not a Spokesman for Anyone These are my opinions only, but they’re almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders."
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I could understand your desire for "factual" experiences…
I trust Arnold, who answered my post (maybe I am stupid, buit I still hope that not all people always lie to ohters.) A review of the literature does not turn up anything….
OK. I’ll be careful. But I also have a feeling, that if CS is really effective, big drug companies will do anything they can to kill CS, how do you thing? My general question is: Who is the real authority on this subject? You got me.
Nice to hear. So please let me ask you a question – who is your authority? I do not trust in self made authorities, so I humbly ask you to answer this anquestion. All the best D
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As far as I see the facts are that, as usual, there are two contradictory opinions. I am not going to participate in this discussion (but I am reading everything carefully), because I am not an expert. What I am especially lookimg for are factual experiences of people, who had used CS. My general question is: Who is the real authority on this subject? Thank all you for your answers. D
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So you get virtually no silver and it prevents sinus infections. I don’t use any silver at all and haven’t had a sinus infection in years either. Evaluating whether a therapy prevents an intermittent condition is a difficult proposition. My bet is that you are merely wasting money. It’s mine to waste. Indeed. And sadly millions are wasted every year by consumers who are looking for some magic bullet or a natural remedy that is safe and effective. I never could figure out how taking silver is either natural or safe but with the clever MLM marketers, it is not surprising that they could convince the scientifically illiterate. Aloha, Rich W #1: I don’t buy cs from MLMers. I get it from a health food shop. #2: Science was never my strong suit. Obviously…
What’s your PhD in, Mark? #3: The best defense against ignorance is enlightenment. The best defense against enlightenment is #1 and #2.
At least I live in a country that *allows* #1 and #2. Long live freedom. Wordsmith
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HOW MANY PEOPLE HAS COLLOIDAL SILVER KILLED? HERBS? VITAMINS? Deal with the REAL killers,,,,,,,,,,,,, Naa. Deal with the needless mistakes and deaths EACH DAY. Naa. Jan
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I use Colloidal silver and swear by it. Nose Drops for sinuses, Gargle for to make my own , I just haven’t done it yet…….
Take it easy. It CAN make you turn grey. One of my patients has this. She swears by its usefulness and I don’t argue with that fact because I don’t know. But I do know she is going a blue-grey color. I will ask her how much she has been taking and for how long and will post this info. It is interesting to note that she does not seem aware of her color change. I guess it kind of grows on you. It is apparently not dangerous though. It is true that anyone who wishes to use it should have the freedom to do so. I don’t think I’d like to put too much silver in my body though. Don’ t feel it’s natural to go out of your way to pump increased amounts of heavy metals in your body. I’m not fond of the "Marilyn Manson" look.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I use Colloidal silver and swear by it. Nose Drops for sinuses, Gargle for to make my own , I just haven’t done it yet……. Take it easy. It CAN make you turn grey. One of my patients has this. She swears by its usefulness and I don’t argue with that fact because I don’t know. But I do know she is going a blue-grey color. I will ask her how much she has been taking and for how long and will post this info. It is interesting to note that she does not seem aware of her color change. I guess it kind of grows on you.
IN you. It is apparently not dangerous though. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It is true that anyone who wishes to use it should have the freedom to do so. I don’t think I’d like to put too much silver in my body though. Don’ t feel it’s natural to go out of your way to pump increased amounts of heavy metals in your body. I’m not fond of the "Marilyn Manson" look.
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I use Colloidal silver and swear by it. Nose Drops for sinuses, Gargle for to make my own , I just haven’t done it yet……. Take it easy. It CAN make you turn grey. One of my patients has this. She swears by its usefulness and I don’t argue with that fact because I don’t know. But I do know she is going a blue-grey color. I will ask her how much she has been taking and for how long and will post this info. It is interesting to note that she does not seem aware of her color change.
Have her brong in some old photos, and compare her skin tone with them. It’s a really SICKcolor to be, and it’s permanent. Tsu Dho Nimh — "Y’know, I can *say* I’m Ming The Merciless, Emporer of Planet Mongo, but unless I can produce a few legions of heavily-armed rocket ships, you’re not likely to take me seriously." Morely Dotes, 2001
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Moderation in consumption will prevent greying. I know some will say I’m using cs too sparingly, but I put no more than a few drops of 250 ppm cs in every gallon of whatever liquid I’m drinking. Takes me over a year to use a two ounce bottle. Works great. I can’t remember the last time I had to pop any over the counter dope for sinus problems. Folks, a little cs goes a long way. If the quantity I consume is an error, well then, I’d rather err on the side of caution. Who wants skin the color of rain clouds? I’ve used Colloidal silver for 5 yrs , I’m not silver yet……. and yes it how they do it…… So how much silver is in the colloidal silver that you use?? And just because you are not silver yet don’t think that you may not turn grey in the future. Silver accumulates in the skin and stays there. Perhaps your colloidal silver has homeopathic doses of silver. Aloha, Rich The best defense to logic is ignorance. First of all, I am new when it comes to the knowledge of colloidal silver, so I have been doing some research. First, I quote this from Rosemary Jacob’s (the woman who turned gray) story: "A biopsy confirmed the diagnosis showing all the little specks of silver in my skin. Unfortunately, that is the only information that I have ever been able to get about the drug that disfigured me." http://homepages.together.net/~rjstan/rose2.html This woman really has no Idea what she took. And if this is what colloidal silver can do, and I have found and heard that many people have been using Colloidal Silver for many years, why is this the only such claim by an individual I can find on the internet. Don’t quote me on this, but from what I have found, Argyria (the gray skin disease) is very rare, I can’t find proof that their is more than a handful of reported cases in the entire world. Now if I am wrong, please let me know and refer me to your source. This is my opinion that I have come to from my browsing through many forums and Websites, for and against colloidal silver, if colloidal Sliver really works and people can make it at home the right way (which my mother does), instead of taking a chance at what you think is in a over-priced over-the-counter bottle (you don’t always get what you asked for), then why would the FDA or most doctors approve of the use of colloidal silver. It would mean the death of a multi billion-dollar antibiotics industry. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t live and die by the stuff (colloidal silver), but if we can learn from one another and discover a better and easier way to take care of ourselves then why would someone who would, in all truth, loose money from this the discovery say anything positive about it. Sadly, that is the way the world works today. I am just a parent who is getting sick of my kids being given many different antibiotics in the the hope that one might work. Most of them usually don’t. It seems like the doctors visits are usually guessing games. Finally, I also ran across this in a forum, which got my attention: "collodial silver is 900 times safer than cipro whom many here take or have taken. No One has ever died from collodial silver to my knowledge. People have died taking many FDA-approved drugs including cipro." Thank you for your time, Jason
You will have to do a little more work to see other pictures of people with argyria, since Rosemary is the only one whose pictures are on-line. However, reference 1 should be available at any hospital library or medical school library: The difference between ciprofloxacin and colloidal silver is that cipro has been shown to be effective when ingested, while colloidal silver has not. I have no idea how you would quantify "safety" enough to make the statement that CS is "900 times safer than cipro". That’s a dazzling, but meaningless figure. Adverse reactions to cipro are uncommon and millions of people have taken it without any problem. CS will cause argyria in every single person who ingests enough of the stuff. CS wouldn’t "mean the death of a multi billion-dollar antibiotics industry", because it’s doubtful that it would actually work as an ingested antibiotic. In adequate concentration it is bactericidal, but so is bleach. Getting a substance to work as an antibiotic in vivo is a different story. Tests performed in the 1930s showed that colloidal silver protein was not effective in the treatment of multiple diseases (2). The CS salesmen continue to fail to provide any non-anecdotal data to support their claims (3). Rosemary Jacobson used nose drops for allergies. Colloidal silver protein was sold for this purpose at the time. 1) Greene RM, Su WPD. Argyria. American Family Physician, 36:151-154 (Dec. 1987). 2) Goodman LS, Gillman A. A Pharmacological Basis of Therapeutics. 5th Edition. McMillan, 1975:930-931, 999-1000. 3) Fung MC, Bowen DL. Silver Products for Medical Indications: Risk Benefit Assessment. Journal of Toxicology and Clinical Toxicology, 34(1), 119-126 (Nov. 1996).
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Moderation in consumption will prevent greying. I know some will say I’m using cs too sparingly, but I put no more than a few drops of 250 ppm cs in every gallon of whatever liquid I’m drinking. Takes me over a year to use a two ounce bottle. Works great. I can’t remember the last time I had to pop any over the counter dope for sinus problems. Folks, a little cs goes a long way. If the quantity I consume is an error, well then, I’d rather err on the side of caution. Who wants skin the color of rain clouds? I’ve used Colloidal silver for 5 yrs , I’m not silver yet……. and yes it they do it…… So how much silver is in the colloidal silver that you use?? And just because you are not silver yet don’t think that you may not turn grey in the future. Silver accumulates in the skin and stays there. Perhaps your colloidal silver has homeopathic doses of silver. Aloha, Rich The best defense to logic is ignorance.
First of all, I am new when it comes to the knowledge of colloidal silver, so I have been doing some research. First, I quote this from Rosemary Jacob’s (the woman who turned gray) story: "A biopsy confirmed the diagnosis showing all the little specks of silver in my skin. Unfortunately, that is the only information that I have ever been able to get about the drug that disfigured me." http://homepages.together.net/~rjstan/rose2.html This woman really has no Idea what she took. And if this is what colloidal silver can do, and I have found and heard that many people have been using Colloidal Silver for many years, why is this the only such claim by an individual I can find on the internet. Don’t quote me on this, but from what I have found, Argyria (the gray skin disease) is very rare, I can’t find proof that their is more than a handful of reported cases in the entire world. Now if I am wrong, please let me know and refer me to your source. This is my opinion that I have come to from my browsing through many forums and Websites, for and against colloidal silver, if colloidal Sliver really works and people can make it at home the right way (which my mother does), instead of taking a chance at what you think is in a over-priced over-the-counter bottle (you don’t always get what you asked for), then why would the FDA or most doctors approve of the use of colloidal silver. It would mean the death of a multi billion-dollar antibiotics industry. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t live and die by the stuff (colloidal silver), but if we can learn from one another and discover a better and easier way to take care of ourselves then why would someone who would, in all truth, loose money from this the discovery say anything positive about it. Sadly, that is the way the world works today. I am just a parent who is getting sick of my kids being given many different antibiotics in the the hope that one might work. Most of them usually don’t. It seems like the doctors visits are usually guessing games. Finally, I also ran across this in a forum, which got my attention: "collodial silver is 900 times safer than cipro whom many here take or have taken. No One has ever died from collodial silver to my knowledge. People have died taking many FDA-approved drugs including cipro." Thank you for your time, Jason
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Anyone using Colloidal Silver? I’ve started using it for sinus infections and have found it very effective for only a few days treatment at a time. I also gave some to my daughter who was desperately ill with the flu and asthma. She recovered quickly after two doses. It is a natural antibiotic, used before today’s antibiotics. Apparently it also kills viruses and fungi. If you haven’t tried it, try it. I found it at Wild Oats/Alfalfa’s. Also, read more by searching the web for info. Sorry, I don’t have the web addresses handy. You’ll want to be educated about it before using it daily. Can have side effects used that way. But a great product.
See http://www.ftc.gov/os/2001/06/formoranalysis.htm http://www.ftc.gov/os/2001/08/aaroncmp.htm http://www.ftc.gov/os/2001/08/aarondo.htm http://www.ftc.gov/os/2001/06/aaronanalysis.htm http://www.ftc.gov/os/2001/09/healthfraud.htm http://www.ftc.gov/os/2001/11/muris011107.htm
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone using Colloidal Silver? I’ve started using it for sinus infections and have found it very effective for only a few days treatment at a time. I also gave some to my daughter who was desperately ill with the flu and asthma. She recovered quickly after two doses. For some pictures of someone who also used CS for allergies, please see the following: http://homepages.together.net/~rjstan/rose3.html You don’t honestly expect anyone to believe that this lady consumed enough silver to color her entire body grey? I suppose this could happen but not by using "a few drops taken as needed" as was stated in the article. I’d imagine for this to happen you’d have to take LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS, like drink a glass a day or something. I happen to agree with you about this. The reason is likely because most colloidal silver preparations contain so little (if any) colloidal silver that the risk is low. However this also explains why it is unlikely that colloidal silver will do much of anything. Of course since there are no good quality controls to ensure the concentration of colloidal silver, you are taking a chance that the particular colloidal silver prep that you take may have a high enough concentration to cause argyria if you take it over a long enough period of time. Remember that silver toxicity is accumulative as the body does not have a good way to get rid of it. Aloha, Rich The best defense to logic is ignorance. The poor lady in the picture must have chugged the stuff in unreasonable quantities.
She used colloidal silver nose drops for about 18 months before anyone noticed the change. The nose drops that she was using did actually contain silver unlike many of the "colloidal silver" preparations currently available. Her skin has been biopsied and it is known that the discoloration is due to silver, too. Moderation in consumption will prevent greying. I know some will say I’m using cs too sparingly, but I put no more than a few drops of 250 ppm cs in every gallon of whatever liquid I’m drinking. Takes me over a year to use a two ounce bottle. Works great. I can’t remember the last time I had to pop any over the counter dope for sinus problems. Folks, a little cs goes a long way. If the quantity I consume is an error, well then, I’d rather err on the side of caution. Who wants skin the color of rain clouds?
So you get virtually no silver and it prevents sinus infections. I don’t use any silver at all and haven’t had a sinus infection in years either. Evaluating whether a therapy prevents an intermittent condition is a difficult proposition. My bet is that you are merely wasting money.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So you get virtually no silver and it prevents sinus infections. I don’t use any silver at all and haven’t had a sinus infection in years either. Evaluating whether a therapy prevents an intermittent condition is a difficult proposition. My bet is that you are merely wasting money. It’s mine to waste. Indeed. And sadly millions are wasted every year by consumers who are looking for some magic bullet or a natural remedy that is safe and effective. I never could figure out how taking silver is either natural or safe but with the clever MLM marketers, it is not surprising that they could convince the scientifically illiterate. Aloha, Rich W
#1: I don’t buy cs from MLMers. I get it from a health food shop. #2: Science was never my strong suit. #3: The best defense against ignorance is enlightenment. Wordsmith – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The best defense to logic is ignorance.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So you get virtually no silver and it prevents sinus infections. I don’t use any silver at all and haven’t had a sinus infection in years either. Evaluating whether a therapy prevents an intermittent condition is a difficult proposition. My bet is that you are merely wasting money. It’s mine to waste. Indeed. And sadly millions are wasted every year by consumers who are looking for some magic bullet or a natural remedy that is safe and effective. I never could figure out how taking silver is either natural or safe but with the clever MLM marketers, it is not surprising that they could convince the scientifically illiterate. Aloha, Rich W #1: I don’t buy cs from MLMers. I get it from a health food shop. #2: Science was never my strong suit.
Obviously… #3: The best defense against ignorance is enlightenment.
The best defense against enlightenment is #1 and #2.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone using Colloidal Silver? I’ve started using it for sinus infections and have found it very effective for only a few days treatment at a time. I also gave some to my daughter who was desperately ill with the flu and asthma. She recovered quickly after two doses. For some pictures of someone who also used CS for allergies, please see the following: http://homepages.together.net/~rjstan/rose3.html You don’t honestly expect anyone to believe that this lady consumed enough silver to color her entire body grey? I suppose this could happen but not by using "a few drops taken as needed" as was stated in the article. I’d imagine for this to happen you’d have to take LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS, like drink a glass a day or something. I happen to agree with you about this. The reason is likely because most colloidal silver preparations contain so little (if any) colloidal silver that the risk is low. However this also explains why it is unlikely that colloidal silver will do much of anything. Of course since there are no good quality controls to ensure the concentration of colloidal silver, you are taking a chance that the particular colloidal silver prep that you take may have a high enough concentration to cause argyria if you take it over a long enough period of time. Remember that silver toxicity is accumulative as the body does not have a good way to get rid of it. Aloha, Rich The best defense to logic is ignorance. The poor lady in the picture must have chugged the stuff in unreasonable quantities. She used colloidal silver nose drops for about 18 months before anyone noticed the change. The nose drops that she was using did actually contain silver unlike many of the "colloidal silver" preparations currently available. Her skin has been biopsied and it is known that the discoloration is due to silver, too. Moderation in consumption will prevent greying. I know some will say I’m using cs too sparingly, but I put no more than a few drops of 250 ppm cs in every gallon of whatever liquid I’m drinking. Takes me over a year to use a two ounce bottle. Works great. I can’t remember the last time I had to pop any over the counter dope for sinus problems. Folks, a little cs goes a long way. If the quantity I consume is an error, well then, I’d rather err on the side of caution. Who wants skin the color of rain clouds? So you get virtually no silver and it prevents sinus infections. I don’t use any silver at all and haven’t had a sinus infection in years either. Evaluating whether a therapy prevents an intermittent condition is a difficult proposition. My bet is that you are merely wasting money.
It’s mine to waste. W
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone using Colloidal Silver? I’ve started using it for sinus infections and have found it very effective for only a few days treatment at a time. I also gave some to my daughter who was desperately ill with the flu and asthma. She recovered quickly after two doses. For some pictures of someone who also used CS for allergies, please see the following: http://homepages.together.net/~rjstan/rose3.html You don’t honestly expect anyone to believe that this lady consumed enough silver to color her entire body grey? I suppose this could happen but not by using "a few drops taken as needed" as was stated in the article. I’d imagine for this to happen you’d have to take LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS, like drink a glass a day or something. I happen to agree with you about this. The reason is likely because most colloidal silver preparations contain so little (if any) colloidal silver that the risk is low. However this also explains why it is unlikely that colloidal silver will do much of anything. Of course since there are no good quality controls to ensure the concentration of colloidal silver, you are taking a chance that the particular colloidal silver prep that you take may have a high enough concentration to cause argyria if you take it over a long enough period of time. Remember that silver toxicity is accumulative as the body does not have a good way to get rid of it. Aloha, Rich The best defense to logic is ignorance. The poor lady in the picture must have chugged the stuff in unreasonable quantities. She used colloidal silver nose drops for about 18 months before anyone noticed the change. The nose drops that she was using did actually contain silver unlike many of the "colloidal silver" preparations currently available. Her skin has been biopsied and it is known that the discoloration is due to silver, too. Moderation in consumption will prevent greying. I know some will say I’m using cs too sparingly, but I put no more than a few drops of 250 ppm cs in every gallon of whatever liquid I’m drinking. Takes me over a year to use a two ounce bottle. Works great. I can’t remember the last time I had to pop any over the counter dope for sinus problems. Folks, a little cs goes a long way. If the quantity I consume is an error, well then, I’d rather err on the side of caution. Who wants skin the color of rain clouds? So you get virtually no silver and it prevents sinus infections. I don’t use any silver at all and haven’t had a sinus infection in years either. Evaluating whether a therapy prevents an intermittent condition is a difficult proposition. My bet is that you are merely wasting money. It’s mine to waste. W
You are, however, financing their bogus advertising and leading people away from sound treatment. IOW, you are doing harm.
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Moderation in consumption will prevent greying. I know some will say I’m using cs too sparingly, but I put no more than a few drops of 250 ppm cs in every gallon of whatever liquid I’m drinking. Takes me over a year to use a two ounce bottle. Works great. I can’t remember the last time I had to pop any over the counter dope for sinus problems. Folks, a little cs goes a long way. If the quantity I consume is an error, well then, I’d rather err on the side of caution. Who wants skin the color of rain clouds?
I’ve used Colloidal silver for 5 yrs , I’m not silver yet……. and yes it they do it……
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If you haven’t tried it, try it. I found it at Wild Oats/Alfalfa’s. Also, read more by searching the web for info. Sorry, I don’t have the web addresses handy. You’ll want to be educated about it before using it daily. Can have side effects used that way. But a great product.
How much arsenic, lead, and mercury does this stuff contain? (All commonly mixed with silver.) — | May I have the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, | | the strength to change the things I cannot accept, and the | | cunning to hide the bodies of those who got in my way. |
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Anyone using Colloidal Silver? I’ve started using it for sinus infections and have found it very effective for only a few days treatment at a time. I also gave some to my daughter who was desperately ill with the flu and asthma. She recovered quickly after two doses. It is a natural antibiotic, used before today’s antibiotics. Apparently it also kills viruses and fungi.
I use Colloidal silver and swear by it. Nose Drops for sinuses, Gargle for make my own , I just haven’t done it yet……. My husband and I had a cold/flu with a sore throat at the same time last year. I went the alternative route - herbs/ vitamins colodial
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone using Colloidal Silver? I’ve started using it for sinus infections and have found it very effective for only a few days treatment at a time. I also gave some to my daughter who was desperately ill with the flu and asthma. She recovered quickly after two doses. For some pictures of someone who also used CS for allergies, please see the following: http://homepages.together.net/~rjstan/rose3.html You don’t honestly expect anyone to believe that this lady consumed enough silver to color her entire body grey? I suppose this could happen but not by using "a few drops taken as needed" as was stated in the article. I’d imagine for this to happen you’d have to take LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS, like drink a glass a day or something. I happen to agree with you about this. The reason is likely because most colloidal silver preparations contain so little (if any) colloidal silver that the risk is low. However this also explains why it is unlikely that colloidal silver will do much of anything. Of course since there are no good quality controls to ensure the concentration of colloidal silver, you are taking a chance that the particular colloidal silver prep that you take may have a high enough concentration to cause argyria if you take it over a long enough period of time. Remember that silver toxicity is accumulative as the body does not have a good way to get rid of it. Aloha, Rich The best defense to logic is ignorance. The poor lady in the picture must have chugged the stuff in unreasonable quantities. She used colloidal silver nose drops for about 18 months before anyone noticed the change. The nose drops that she was using did actually contain silver unlike many of the "colloidal silver" preparations currently available. Her skin has been biopsied and it is known that the discoloration is due to silver, too. Moderation in consumption will prevent greying. I know some will say I’m using cs too sparingly, but I put no more than a few drops of 250 ppm cs in every gallon of whatever liquid I’m drinking. Takes me over a year to use a two ounce bottle. Works great. I can’t remember the last time I had to pop any over the counter dope for sinus problems. Folks, a little cs goes a long way. If the quantity I consume is an error, well then, I’d rather err on the side of caution. Who wants skin the color of rain clouds? So you get virtually no silver and it prevents sinus infections. I don’t use any silver at all and haven’t had a sinus infection in years either. Evaluating whether a therapy prevents an intermittent condition is a difficult proposition. My bet is that you are merely wasting money. It’s mine to waste. W You are, however, financing their bogus advertising and leading people away from sound treatment.
But I have the freedom to do so if I choose. Pass legislation to have this prevented, and stick that feather in your cap. IOW, you are doing harm.
No one’s forcing anyone into any treatment they don’t want. Let the market decide. Wordsmith
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Anyone using Colloidal Silver? I’ve started using it for sinus infections
The long-term use of silver may be quite hazardous, considering the company it keeps: http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org/vtlrefab.htm — _o Kristofer Dale, _ <,_ ragged individualist, _____( )/ ( )_____ statistic at large… p.s. Learn and live, http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org
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Anyone using Colloidal Silver? I’ve started using it for sinus infections and have found it very effective for only a few days treatment at a time. I also gave some to my daughter who was desperately ill with the flu and asthma. She recovered quickly after two doses. For some pictures of someone who also used CS for allergies, please see the following: http://homepages.together.net/~rjstan/rose3.html
You don’t honestly expect anyone to believe that this lady consumed enough silver to color her entire body grey? I suppose this could happen but not by using "a few drops taken as needed" as was stated in the article. I’d imagine for this to happen you’d have to take LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS, like drink a glass a day or something.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone using Colloidal Silver? I’ve started using it for sinus infections and have found it very effective for only a few days treatment at a time. I also gave some to my daughter who was desperately ill with the flu and asthma. She recovered quickly after two doses. For some pictures of someone who also used CS for allergies, please see the following: http://homepages.together.net/~rjstan/rose3.html You don’t honestly expect anyone to believe that this lady consumed enough silver to color her entire body grey? I suppose this could happen but not by using "a few drops taken as needed" as was stated in the article. I’d imagine for this to happen you’d have to take LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS, like drink a glass a day or something. I happen to agree with you about this. The reason is likely because most colloidal silver preparations contain so little (if any) colloidal silver that the risk is low. However this also explains why it is unlikely that colloidal silver will do much of anything. Of course since there are no good quality controls to ensure the concentration of colloidal silver, you are taking a chance that the particular colloidal silver prep that you take may have a high enough concentration to cause argyria if you take it over a long enough period of time. Remember that silver toxicity is accumulative as the body does not have a good way to get rid of it. Aloha, Rich The best defense to logic is ignorance.
The poor lady in the picture must have chugged the stuff in unreasonable quantities. Moderation in consumption will prevent greying. I know some will say I’m using cs too sparingly, but I put no more than a few drops of 250 ppm cs in every gallon of whatever liquid I’m drinking. Takes me over a year to use a two ounce bottle. Works great. I can’t remember the last time I had to pop any over the counter dope for sinus problems. Folks, a little cs goes a long way. If the quantity I consume is an error, well then, I’d rather err on the side of caution. Who wants skin the color of rain clouds? Wordsmith
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Anyone using Colloidal Silver? I’ve started using it for sinus infections and have found it very effective for only a few days treatment at a time. I also gave some to my daughter who was desperately ill with the flu and asthma. She recovered quickly after two doses. It is a natural antibiotic, used before today’s antibiotics. Apparently it also kills viruses and fungi. If you haven’t tried it, try it. I found it at Wild Oats/Alfalfa’s. Also, read more by searching the web for info. Sorry, I don’t have the web addresses handy. You’ll want to be educated about it before using it daily. Can have side effects used that way. But a great product.
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Anyone using Colloidal Silver? I’ve started using it for sinus infections and have found it very effective for only a few days treatment at a time. I also gave some to my daughter who was desperately ill with the flu and asthma. She recovered quickly after two doses.
For some pictures of someone who also used CS for allergies, please see the following: http://homepages.together.net/~rjstan/rose3.html A safer and cheaper recipe for early sinus infection is: 1 c. warm water 1/2 tsp salt pinch baking soda. It is a natural antibiotic, used before today’s antibiotics. Apparently it also kills viruses and fungi.
It is a completely unnatural preparation with limited antibiotic properties. Bleach also kills a multitude of germs on contact, but you wouldn’t ingest it. There are a number of natural antibiotics (e.g. penicillin) which are considerably safer.
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Could whoever recommended colloidal silver,for sinus infections,please repost?I should have paid more attention the first time around.Also I was wond wondering if colloidal silver had any kind of adverse effect on the natural bacteria that resides in the nose and throat area?
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Treatment Education Program 213.993-1482 Treatment Advocate AIDS Project Los Angeles 213.993-1483 Treatment Advocate 1313 North Vine Street 213.993-1484 Program Manager Los Angeles, California 90028 213.993-1529 Materials T R E A T M E N T E D U C A T I O N P R O J E C T Jon Greenburg Library of Alternative Therapies for HIV/AIDS Copyright 1994, AIDS Project Los Angeles. We encourage you to share these fact sheets with others. Permission is granted for reproduction in full, and copies must be provided free of charge. The information in these fact sheets is not medical advice. It is intended to help people with HIV/AIDS make informed choices. Please consult with a physician before making any decisions regarding treatment. COLLOIDAL SILVER Prepared by Martin A. Majchrowicz Spring 1994 Colloidal elements are elements which have been broken down into extremely small positively-charged particles, 0.01 to 0.001 microns, and suspended in distilled water. Colloidal silver was commonly used until 1938 as an antibiotic and overall cure-all. In 1938, the Food and Drug Administration mandated that all prescription drugs be proven safe and effective. This form of therapy was eventually priced out of the market due to the high cost of manufacturing. Colloidal silver is still available today, but maintains the same labeling it had since 1938. (Other pre-1938 drugs include morphine sulfate and thyroid tablets.) According to SeanTek Laboratories, a distributor of colloidal silver, a "breakthrough" in the manufacturing technique has brought the price down to where it can compete in the "medical marketplace." In addition to its antibacterial uses, colloidal silver can be used as a food preservative, digestive aid, and as a water purifier. MECHANISM OF ACTION According to a report by L. Delynn Hansen, a doctor from Utah, colloidal silver interferes with oxygen metabolization and "suffocates" and "kills all disease-causing organisms." This report comes from an unknown source and cites many dated references. The same report continues to say that colloidal silver acts like a "second immune system" and can be used to treat as well as prevent diseases. In fact, colloidal silver is supposedly effective against over 650 diseases ranging from appendicitis to malaria. Of course, HIV/AIDS is included in the list of treatable diseases. STUDIES Daryl Tichy, a man from Utah, claims two laboratories have demonstrated that colloidal silver kills HIV in the test tube. The UCLA Medical Center is supposedly one of the research sites. However, this work has never been published and cannot be verified. Colloidal silver has never been studied in a clinical trial. SeanTek Laboratories claims their product will prevent opportunistic infections in addition to killing HIV. Because this product was widely used over fifty years ago, SeanTek claims that colloidal silver is extremely safe and will not interact with other drugs. AVAILABILITY Colloidal silver and more information is available through: Stephan Henningson (213) 294-1898 SeanTek Laboratories 5751 Ninth Avenue Los Angeles, CA 90043 A two month supply (three bottles) costs $225.00 or $75.00 per bottle. COMMENT At face value, colloidal silver may seem like an effective cure-all. There are no current reputable benefits of colloidal silver for people with HIV/AIDS, only anecdotal reports from the distributors. There exists very little current information on the benefits of colloidal silver. Please keep this in mind when evaluating your treatment options. — Shrine of the Cybernetic Madonna BBS 213-766-1356 "The Board that Hates Rush Limbaugh With A Passion"
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AVAILABILITY Colloidal silver and more information is available through: Stephan Henningson (213) 294-1898 SeanTek Laboratories 5751 Ninth Avenue Los Angeles, CA 90043 A two month supply (three bottles) costs $225.00 or $75.00 per bottle.
I bought 12 bottles at $19.95 each from a distributor. My doctor charges $30.00 a bottle – which is why I went and found a distributor. It is not a cure all, my personal observation: Did not clear up a stye – 3 drops in eyes at night Has cleared: conjunctivitis – 3 drops into eyes at night. an infected wound on a finger – soaked a bandaid. heavy congested cough with a runny nose – 1 tsp once a day, symptoms lessened by about 80% in 48 hrs. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -COMMENT At face value, colloidal silver may seem like an effective cure-all. There are no current reputable benefits of colloidal silver for people with HIV/AIDS, only anecdotal reports from the distributors. There exists very little current information on the benefits of colloidal silver. Please keep this in mind when evaluating your treatment options.
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Is Argyrol still on the market? Is it over-the-counter? — | Stephen Dubin VMD, PhD | | | Biomedical Engineering & Science Institute | Phone: 215-895-2219 | | Drexel University, Philadelphia PA 19104 | Fax: 215-895-4983 |
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Could whoever recommended colloidal silver,for sinus infections,please repost?I should have paid more attention the first time around.Also I was wond wondering if colloidal silver had any kind of adverse effect on the natural bacteria that resides in the nose and throat area?
I am not sure what natural bacteria might reside in the nose or throat, but colloidal silver (administered by nasal spray) did not seem to be very helpful against my recent sinus cold. Several months ago, I tried a large oral dose of colloidal silver (4 tbsp, 15 ppm) before recommending it to a friend with thrush. There was no discernible effect on my gut microflora or regularity. Either gut bacteria are not susceptible, or the colloidal silver is absorbed so efficiently that it never reaches the intestine or bowel. An AIDS patient friend successfully used colloidal silver (via inhallation of mist) to fight off a PCP infection. I am intrigued by colloidal silver and would like to know if anybody has tried it against any of the antibiotic-resistant strains out there. Cognitive Enhancement Research Institute fax: 415-323-3864 PO Box 4029, Menlo Park, CA 94026 USA alt: 415-321-6670
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A two month supply (three bottles) costs $225.00 or $75.00 per bottle.
LifeLink sells a 4 oz 15 ppm colloidal silver for <$20. Any idea how this compares with the SeanTek product? I agree with you about caution regarding claims. I am especially suspicious of efficacy claims based on the ppm strength of the solution. I suspect that it is the surface area of the colloidal silver which determines its biological activity. The smaller the particles, the more the surface area per ppm. In fact, half-sized particles have eight-fold increased surface area. Is there a graduate student out there looking for a thesis? "A bacterial and fungal bio-assay of colloidal silver products" Cognitive Enhancement Research Institute fax: 415-323-3864 PO Box 4029, Menlo Park, CA 94026 USA alt: 415-321-6670
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: Has anyone ever tried Colloidal Silver,, and for what purpose? ‘They use it to turn blue so they can play corpse scenes on TV and the Theatre. — Carol … "Always drink upstream from the herd." *<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*
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Has anyone ever tried Colloidal Silver,, and for what purpose? Patti
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: Has anyone ever tried Colloidal Silver,, and for what purpose? Colloidal silver is great if you want to look like a smurf. Its useless for anything else. -Dan
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Has anyone ever tried Colloidal Silver,, and for what purpose?
Here’s a post I found: Newsgroup: alt.folklore.herbs Most Perfect Medicine) I ran a Medline search yesterday and found about 40 references that described adverse effects and toxicities ascribed to silver and published in the last five years. The following adverse effects/toxicities have been reported: Neurological – seizures, muscle paralysis, gait disturbances. Gastrointestinal – chronic, incurable abdominal pain from silver deposition; hemorrhagic gastroenteritis with shock and death, and abdominal cramping. Vision – reduced night vision with deposition in retinas, a possible connection between retinal detachment and colloidal silver ingestion. Dermatologic – incurable argyria, photosensitivity. Pregnancy – late pregnancy adverse outcomes in proportion to silver contamination of drinking water and serum level of silver (decade plus study in Massachusetts), 100% mortality in rat pups born to mothers given AgCl during pregnancy. Cardiac – conduction defects (i.e. metal deposition screws up electrical conduction in the heart muscle). Immunologic – bone marrow toxicity, in vitro damage to T and B cells approximately equivalent to that of mercury. Metabolic – alteration in copper metabolism. The proponents of colloidal silver will proclaim "…Cu/Zn/Ag , are all pretty close on the periodic table…all exhibit bacteriocidal properties…" The same can be said for mercury and cadmium. The location on the periodic chart is not a valid test of safety or physiologic requirement. Note also that silver consumption alters copper metabolism, which is a known physiologic requirement. Additionally, both zinc and copper can be toxic when taken in excess quantities. The MLM’ers will also declare that Colloidal Silver is relatively nontoxic (with Argyria as the only known effect after gram doses and that this is only cosmetic), and that when weighed against death from a fulminating infection, it is pure nonsense to consider colloidal silver toxic in any reasonable sense of the word. Argyria has developed in 18 months of daily use, at considerably less than a total dose of a gram, and is IRREVERSIBLE. The other side effects are rare, *because* argyria is so obvious and its appearance usually stops silver consumption. There is no evidence at all that colloidal silver will have any effect on "fulminating infection". It is currently used to prevent localized infection on catheter tips, in prosthesis cements, and topically for skin infections (especially burns). It has been widely replaced for other applications with more effective, less toxic antibiotics. In order for any antibiotic to work, it must come in contact with the bacteria. Silver absorbs and distributes poorly and is useless when consumed orally for systemic, respiratory, or other than local infections. This was shown in clinical studies performed in the 1930s. In a serious infection, colloidal silver would be worse than useless. In order to get an adequate concentration in a rapid enough period, you would have to take such a large dose that mucosal destruction and hemorrhage would result. Slower ingestion over a period of days would be ineffective against bacteria whose population doubles in about 20 minutes. Purveyors make the claim that colloidal silver is less toxic than silver salts. In reality, colloidal silver is produced by mixing silver nitrate, lye, and gelatin. The silver salts contaminating the solution may actually exceed the quantity of silver complexed to protein. This varies between manufacturers and batches, and may substantially increase the dose of silver consumed. (Note: Without gelatin or some other protein in the solution, it is not possible to have colloidal silver.) For those of you who are less committed to colloidal silver, here are some good references: 1) Goodman LS, Gillman A. A Pharmacological Basis of Therapeutics. 5th Edition. McMillan, 1975:930-931, 999-1000. 2) Greene RM, Su WPD. Argyria. American Family Physician, 36:151-154 (Dec. 1987). — This reference has nifty color pictures of silver-blue people. 3) Fung MC, Bowen DL. Silver Products for Medical Indications: Risk Benefit Assessment. Journal of Toxicology and Clinical Toxicology, 34(1), 119-126 (Nov. 1996). — A comprehensive review by FDA toxicolgists with 45 references. We all have an intake of silver from milk (well, some of us), bran, mushrooms, amalgam dental fillings, and water. Those of us who use Brita water filters may also get some silver from that source. If you are really concerned about an unsuspected need for an ultra- micro-nutrient and you don’t have any silver fillings, filter your water!
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Okay, genius, kindly explain the use of silver and gold in dentistry and the use of silver pins in repairing shattered bones before stainless steel was widely available. Like "Yarrow" you seem to very seldom have anything good to say about any subject. Are you just another busybody sticking your nose in to say "that smells" but not offering any new ideas?
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Well, then maybe you need to do a quick literature search, because there are certainly case reports of argyria, both localized and generalized, from colloidal silver.
Sources?
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Well, then maybe you need to do a quick literature search, because there are certainly case reports of argyria, both localized and generalized, from colloidal silver. Sources?
Fung MC, Bowen DL. Silver Products for Medical Indications: Risk-Benefit Assessment. Clinical Toxicology, 34(1), 119-126 (1996). "There are no words in the French language for ‘drive up window’." – Garrison Keillor
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: well everyone here wishes you would keep doing nothing What? And lose all the millions I’m being paid by the AMA, Drug Cartels, the FBI and others against the zapper crappers, magic soap and cookie sellers etc. 
) — Carol ….. "The problem with the gene pool is there is no lifeguard." ~~~ }<(((0 ~~~ }<{{{o ~~~ }<(((0 ~~~ }<{{{o ~~~ }<(((0
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: Like "Yarrow" you seem to very seldom have anything good to say about any : subject. So you agree that any nutcase and quack should be free to advertise any trash and snake oil here and no one should say a word? PLEASE!!!!!! — Carol ….. "The problem with the gene pool is there is no lifeguard." ~~~ }<(((0 ~~~ }<{{{o ~~~ }<(((0 ~~~ }<{{{o ~~~ }<(((0
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There were many times in my life when I didn’t feel well, and guess what? I did nothing more then perhaps take a afternoon nap, or just did "nothing" and that nothing knocked out whatever problem my body was suffering at the time. — Carol ….. Gardening Center: "In SOD we trust." ~~~ }<(((0 ~~~ }<{{{o ~~~ }<(((0 ~~~ }<{{{o ~~~ }<(((0 : I don’t know how or why-but I have tried CS on the recommendation of a friend : when I was not feeling well-it seems do do the trick-knocks ourt whatever was : ailing me-he calls it a natural antibiotic :
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well everyone here wishes you would keep doing nothing – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There were many times in my life when I didn’t feel well, and guess what? I did nothing more then perhaps take a afternoon nap, or just did "nothing" and that nothing knocked out whatever problem my body was suffering at the time. — Carol ….. Gardening Center: "In SOD we trust." ~~~ }<(((0 ~~~ }<{{{o ~~~ }<(((0 ~~~ }<{{{o ~~~ }<(((0 : I don’t know how or why-but I have tried CS on the recommendation of a friend : when I was not feeling well-it seems do do the trick-knocks ourt whatever was : ailing me-he calls it a natural antibiotic :
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…I know of NO reported cases of ‘Argyria’ while using ‘truly colloidal’ silver. There were cases reported (and the only ones I know of) resulting from the use of silver ’salts’ (nitrates and chlorides)…."
Well, then maybe you need to do a quick literature search, because there are certainly case reports of argyria, both localized and generalized, from colloidal silver. "There are no words in the French language for ‘drive up window’." – Garrison Keillor
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I don’t know how or why-but I have tried CS on the recommendation of a friend when I was not feeling well-it seems do do the trick-knocks ourt whatever was ailing me-he calls it a natural antibiotic
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I have yet to see anyone turn blue, and I know two people who take 1-2 teaspoons of CS daily. The theory is that the particle size of the silver in a good preparation should be far too small to get stuck anywhere in your body.
I’ve seen this idea put forth a good many times, but I want to know what the basis is for assuming that silver can get "stuck" in the body, and that it won’t get "stuck" if the particle size is small enough. Stuck on what? — David Wright :: wright at ibnets.com :: Not a Spokesman for Anyone These are my opinions only, but they’re almost always correct. While the unexamined life may not be worth living, the over- examined life is not being lived.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As other posters have noted, silver is NOT "100% nontoxic." No heavy metal is nontoxic, e.g. mercury, lead, etc. Silver is NOT a heavy metal. Your credibility just went to zero. I can’t wait to hear your definition of the term. Feel free. I don’t know which term you’re talking about, but I can tell that silver isn’t a heavy metal by looking at the periodic table and holding some in my hand. The heavy metals are more or less clustered on the chart, silver isn’t in the cluster.
Indeed? There’s a nice 3×3 cluster that includes gold, silver (same column) mercury, cadmium, nickel, palladium, and platinum. Silver is a metal, and it’s fairly heavy. Not as heavy as gold, but heavy. So: bzzt! Try again, but thanks for playing. (I will also note that a number of protocols for handling toxic waste do include silver in the "heavy metals" category.) — David Wright :: wright at ibnets.com :: Not a Spokesman for Anyone These are my opinions only, but they’re almost always correct. While the unexamined life may not be worth living, the over- examined life is not being lived.
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As other posters have noted, silver is NOT "100% nontoxic." No heavy metal is nontoxic, e.g. mercury, lead, etc. Silver is NOT a heavy metal. Your credibility just went to zero. I can’t wait to hear your definition of the term. Feel free.
I don’t know which term you’re talking about, but I can tell that silver isn’t a heavy metal by looking at the periodic table and holding some in my hand. The heavy metals are more or less clustered on the chart, silver isn’t in the cluster.
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It’s a total ripoff that will turn you BLUE as a corpse at midnight. — Carol ….. "He drives way to fast to worry about cholesterol." ~~~ }<(((0 ~~~ }<{{{o ~~~ }<(((0 ~~~ }<{{{o ~~~ }<(((0 : I know what it is. : : Is it useful or useless? : : :
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You wont neet a costume for Halloween after taking C’silver. Kids will run away from you screaming, strong men will faint…. — Carol ….. "He drives way to fast to worry about cholesterol." ~~~ }<(((0 ~~~ }<{{{o ~~~ }<(((0 ~~~ }<{{{o ~~~ }<(((0 Silver particles collect : in the body and lodge under the skin and cause a grey : discoloration to the skin. Although not fatal, this is a : permanent condition. : :
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Hiya carol! "Ignorance Is Bliss, But Stupidness Is Dumb" http://members.aol.com/preesi/index.html
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) — Carol ….. "He drives way to fast to worry about cholesterol." ~~~ }<(((0 ~~~ }<{{{o ~~~ }<(((0 ~~~ }<{{{o ~~~ }<(((0 : Hiya carol! : "Ignorance Is Bliss, But Stupidness Is Dumb" :
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I know what it is. Is it useful or useless?
pneumococci, staphylococcus pyogenea, S. pyogens aureus, S. pyogens albus, streptococci. According to Dr. Larry J. Milam, HMD: " Colloidal Silver is 100% safe and nontoxic to the human body. It is effective against 650 microbes. Pathogens have never developed resistance." What does all this mean? I believe from these reports and others that I have read, that colloidal silver is beneficial. I would not use it on a daily basis, only as needed. Although, there are some reports of the danger of using colloidal silver, I think that’s only if the product is abused. Tippy’s Herb Patch– http://www.herbpatch.com Featuring 450 of the finest herbs, vitamins, and supplements. 1-888-301-7313 Fax 1-888-301-7313
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What works in the Lab dish doesn’t always work in the human (or animals) body. If it did the Drug Co’s would already be selling it. — Carol ….. "Shin: a device for finding furniture in the dark." ~~~ }<(((0 ~~~ }<{{{o ~~~ }<(((0 ~~~ }<{{{o ~~~ }<(((0 : pneumococci, staphylococcus pyogenea, S. pyogens aureus, S. pyogens : albus, streptococci. According to Dr. Larry J. Milam, HMD: "
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You seem to have nothing to say except "That’s junk" on every subject. I’m guessing you have bought much stock in conventional health care companies. Don’t bother to reply, you’ve been added to my twit filter list. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You wont neet a costume for Halloween after taking C’silver. Kids will run away from you screaming, strong men will faint…. — Carol ….. "He drives way to fast to worry about cholesterol." ~~~ }<(((0 ~~~ }<{{{o ~~~ }<(((0 ~~~ }<{{{o ~~~ }<(((0
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I know what it is. Is it useful or useless? pneumococci, staphylococcus pyogenea, S. pyogens aureus, S. pyogens albus, streptococci. According to Dr. Larry J. Milam, HMD: " Colloidal Silver is 100% safe and nontoxic to the human body. It is effective against 650 microbes. Pathogens have never developed resistance." What does all this mean?
It means that Larry J Milam is either ignorant or a liar. Even a cursory Medline search will dig up lots of articles about bacterial resistance to heavy metals, including silver. (Interestingly, a number of these papers were written or co-written by someone named Silver.) As other posters have noted, silver is NOT "100% nontoxic." No heavy metal is nontoxic, e.g. mercury, lead, etc. (And what the hell is an HMD degree, anyway?) In any case, most of the uses of silver where it has been shown to work as a bactericide are NOT in the body. They’re in places like catheters. It does do a good job of inhibiting bacterial growth on surfaces, for example, but that’s miles from saying that ingesting it will do you any good. — David Wright :: wright at ibnets.com :: Not a Spokesman for Anyone These are my opinions only, but they’re almost always correct. While the unexamined life may not be worth living, the over- examined life is not being lived.
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: You seem to have nothing to say except "That’s junk" on every subject. *** Not EVERY subject. Reread the posts here. :0) : : I’m guessing you have bought much stock in conventional health care : companies. *** Nope. Am I pushing Drugs? Drug Companies? : : Don’t bother to reply, you’ve been added to my twit filter list. *** Hahahaha…. Another zapper lover, chucky chicken dancer…. eats magic cookies to lose weight. — Carol ….. Seafood Store Window: "In Cod We Trust." ~~~ }<(((0 ~~~ }<{{{o ~~~ }<(((0 ~~~ }<{{{o ~~~ }<(((0 :
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It means that Larry J Milam is either ignorant or a liar. Even a cursory Medline search will dig up lots of articles about bacterial resistance to heavy metals, including silver. (Interestingly, a number of these papers were written or co-written by someone named Silver.) As other posters have noted, silver is NOT "100% nontoxic." No heavy metal is nontoxic, e.g. mercury, lead, etc.
Silver is NOT a heavy metal. Your credibility just went to zero.
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As other posters have noted, silver is NOT "100% nontoxic." No heavy metal is nontoxic, e.g. mercury, lead, etc. Silver is NOT a heavy metal. Your credibility just went to zero.
I can’t wait to hear your definition of the term. Feel free. — David Wright :: wright at ibnets.com :: Not a Spokesman for Anyone These are my opinions only, but they’re almost always correct. While the unexamined life may not be worth living, the over- examined life is not being lived.
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I know what it is. Is it useful or useless?
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I know what it is. Is it useful or useless?
I did a little searching and came up with this web page: http://www.primenet.com/~camilla/leslie.sil An excerpt from it: SIDE EFFECTS: One known and documented side effect of silver products is Argyria, a permanent discoloration of the skin and muccous membranes. Silver particles collect in the body and lodge under the skin and cause a grey discoloration to the skin. Although not fatal, this is a permanent condition.
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Any comments on Colloidal Silver as an effective antibiotic against many viruses and infections? Or just marketing hype? Is there anyone who has benefited from the use (daily or otherwise) of ingesting silver? — William Kwok | NO SURCHARGE 17.5 cpm calling card | Discount Int’l Calls Telecom Agent | 10 cpm off-peak 1+ residential rate | Int’l Callback Service Honolulu, HI | Services by LDDS/Metromedia | Services by Cyberlink
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Any comments on Colloidal Silver as an effective antibiotic against many viruses and infections? Or just marketing hype? Is there anyone who has benefited from the use (daily or otherwise) of ingesting silver?
I’ve posted at length on the topic of colloidal silver, and I won’t repeat what I’ve already written. However, it seems that in this latest round of hucksterism, these new "colloidal silver" preparations contain several parts per million of elemental silver equivalent, rather than the 7%-20% silver that you used to see with mild silver protein and strong silver protein. What this means is that the risk of argyria is virtually eliminated, but it also means that the stuff (at this low dilution) is virtually without any measurable effects once it’s ingested (I’m sure its topical antibacterial actions at this dilution aren’t very impressive either.) I guess when you get down to it, that’s good. Now people are free to extract the full measure of the placebo effect, and they don’t have to worry about their skin turning gray. — Steve Dyer
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Any comments on Colloidal Silver as an effective antibiotic against many viruses and infections? Or just marketing hype? Is there anyone who has benefited from the use (daily or otherwise) of ingesting silver?
Steve Dyer has a good line of reasoning against it’s effectivtity, I agree with most of it. (Steve, I’m surprised you haven’t responded yet) I have had occaision to try it in conjunction with an herbal extract and noticed an antiherpetic action. Of course the effect could have been due to the herbal or some other factor and no contribution from the silver. Most of the studies are dated and my understanding is they were done with higher concentrations than are now used. The cost is quite high given the usual concentration, might give you a clue about marketing hype. A list of some of the suppliers follows. Silverado – 4 oz. at 8 ppm Source Naturals – 2 oz. at 3-5 ppm Innovative Health Products – 4 0z. at 5 ppm and 4 oz. at 500 ppm Futurebiotics – 2 & 4 oz. at 3 ppm Elemental Technologies, Silv-Immune – 4 oz. at 25 ppm Unknown(hawked on net, possible MLM) – 16 oz, only concentration spec I’ve heard is that it is the "Real Mccoy". — "The stupid opinions expressed here are my own and should not be construed as superior to the stupid opinions of others. EITA"
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you also said "cause after i say oh so and so[say a left side] is no longer around whammo they are back out me in causing trouble that i dont need in my life" and that sounds like the opposite of what happens here.. if I mention someone inside or think abt something they want me to do or buy POOF they disappear. I want to call the reappearance trick you describe ABRACADABRA or something 
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