5/20/06: Todays question is being brought to you by one of our very own anon poster`s What breed of dog is the best looking? Funniest looking breed of dog? Jackie ~*~When you find yourself the victim of other people’s bitterness, ignorance, smallness or insecurities; remember, things could be worse.  You could be them~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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5/20/06: Todays question is being brought to you by one of our very own anon poster`s What breed of dog is the best looking? Funniest looking breed of dog? Jackie

Best looking:  A tie between the King Charles Cavalier Spaniel and the Irish Setter.  The Afghan hound is beautiful, but way too stupid to consider. Ugliest:  what’s that little nervous dog with the bulging eyes and chronic asthma? That’s the worst. Funniest:  I don’t know the name of the breed.  I see them on the televised Kensington Dog Show — they look like little mops. Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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What breed of dog is the best looking?

The kind that doesn’t make any noise. Funniest looking breed of dog?

I have no idea. I’ll ask Tennis Ball. Ian — http://sundry.ws/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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5/20/06: Todays question is being brought to you by one of our very own anon poster`s What breed of dog is the best looking? Funniest looking breed of dog? Jackie ~*~When you find yourself the victim of other people’s bitterness, ignorance, smallness or insecurities; remember, things could be worse.  You could be them~*~

I like most dog breeds, as long as the dog is nice.  I have a black lab/Rotweiler mix, and she is beautiful. Lots of people stop me and tell me how pretty she is.  I was always partial to pugs and English bulldogs. Funniest looking dog : My son’s dog, hands down. It’s a cross between a dalmation and something or another.  He’s black. He’s very fat, like a sausage, and he has a pointy face, and his eyes bulge out.  Now, I love animals, and he is a nice doggie, but he is one very ugly and funny looking dog. He was so hard to train when he was a puppy, they named him "Monster", LOL.  He is a sweetheart, but looking at him is not an easy thing to do. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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so I panic. so what? So if I am getting poisoned so what? this is what people want. you were warned. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – wait a second, is this an anxiety panic group. I am one of the few people who seems to really panic. If you ask me panicking  because of a bridge is not worthy of being on here day or night or giving advice when your not even telling anyone why your anxious. Thats just my opinion and thats 99 percent of what is wrong in world. We just don’t deal with reality. We are mean spirited and we are negative and our society is poisoning some so top percent get huge profits. and we do things to control the damage to control the outcome for individuals advantage. What people don’t know is what our news is about. not comparing with reality. Our news makes us think what is important not the facts of the world or REALITY. If you don’t like the fact that alternative energy stocks should keep going up or more shows about global warming or reality of diseases then do what a good percent have done and thats put me on ignore. Ignore the obvious. Having said all that I am happy…. I deal with reality. I don’t act out , I have love in my life and I deal with real issues… I’m fortunate to live in fucking New Orleans???? You have way too much time on your hands Steve. ok I am being poisoned and I was paid to help garner real anxiety links We have  govt where one in four kids in some NJ communities need asthma meds. and what does news and govt do? Ignores it. I ultimately am also affected but I can describe how and why and see how govt allows polluters free will to poison our area of the country. As soon as pollution levels increase , like clockwork my breathing is hard. You try to accept that where you live . Then you know why you are fortunate that you just have anxiety huh??? by US govt. imagine a govt poisoning its own citizens. Geoge Bush is a murderer

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HELP

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – by US govt. imagine a govt poisoning its own citizens. Geoge Bush is a murderer oh, shaddup ! yer just unwittin’ly eatin’ crow. WHOSE FAULT’S THAT? ~tanya

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by US govt. imagine a govt poisoning its own citizens. Geoge Bush is a murderer

You should stop watching "X-Files" reruns… R.

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other countries or companies lol – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – by US govt. imagine a govt poisoning its own citizens. Geoge Bush is a murderer

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 wait a second, is this an anxiety panic group. I am one of the few people who seems to really panic. If you ask me panicking  because of a bridge is not worthy of being on here day or night or giving advice when your not even telling anyone why your anxious. Thats just my opinion and thats 99 percent of what is wrong in world. We just don’t deal with reality. We are mean spirited and we are negative and our society is poisoning some so top percent get huge profits. and we do things to control the damage to control the outcome for individuals advantage. What people don’t know is what our news is about. not comparing with reality. Our news makes us think what is important not the facts of the world or REALITY. If you don’t like the fact that alternative energy stocks should keep going up or more shows about global warming or reality of diseases then do what a good percent have done and thats put me on ignore. Ignore the obvious. Having said all that I am happy…. I deal with reality. I don’t act out , I have love in my life and I deal with real issues…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m fortunate to live in fucking New Orleans???? You have way too much time on your hands Steve. ok I am being poisoned and I was paid to help garner real anxiety links We have  govt where one in four kids in some NJ communities need asthma meds. and what does news and govt do? Ignores it. I ultimately am also affected but I can describe how and why and see how govt allows polluters free will to poison our area of the country. As soon as pollution levels increase , like clockwork my breathing is hard. You try to accept that where you live . Then you know why you are fortunate that you just have anxiety huh??? by US govt. imagine a govt poisoning its own citizens. Geoge Bush is a murderer

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me? yes I am . crack and alcohol yummm throw in a few dogs and Elliott and I da man  attention.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You need help. I’m not a shrink, but I was married to a crack addict and alcoholic and you remind me of him. Tell me I’m wrong. ::::::::SPEW:::::::: ROFLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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where is vashti?  when we need him or her?  bring that cognac over here please. .

yes.  more booze is perzackly whacha need.  MORE, i say, not SOME ! Or maybe i need to accept how do I get crazier with anxiety while offering to help others while being poisoned by my government

tha government shoved that 151 proof down yer throat?  HOOK ME UP ! and not really relying on cognitive therapy to help anxiety or being poisoned. Help

(rum is good food.) ~belle

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You try to accept that where you live . Then you know why you are fortunate that you just have anxiety

i feel fortunate.  yer there’n i’m not. BAM?…. yeah, BAM ! ~belle

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You need help. I’m not a shrink, but I was married to a crack addict and alcoholic and you remind me of him. Tell me I’m wrong.

::::::::SPEW:::::::: ROFLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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Have u thought about moving out of the country? Just a thought. whythe country?  there is lots good here, just can’t get there. sure we are a violent country. sure we ignore the obvious. Sure our own govt poisons us ( and I am serious) and sure I wish things were very different.

But I still have free speech. I was born here and see some great things , having been in other countries to compare I surely would never want what I saw some other companies had Still it saddens me we have become more of Me generation , we are very polarized, mistrusting, with few good role models anymore. If I could just find the good people in the good areas, and lastly Ihope our country can reverse the situation that I feel has happened. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Like I don’t know the answer? Our own government is poisoning people in Philly. Starting yesterday higher temperature, means my clean air machine starts to crackle more. Anyone got a  air cleaner attached to your heater? It starts to crackle when dirt hits the machine. Unfortunately it gets louder as the particulates gets more numberous. Unfortunately thats when my asthma drugs are needed and even then I am taken back by the clockwork how the body bodies  everywhere are affected and nothing is done. My guess that evidence points to your body cant cleanse out that damage. You are being poisoned and not enough people cares. Your brother, sister husband , wife and friend in this area is now being poisoned almost fifty percent of the time. in my area and a PBS special warning we will have the worst air in the world in the not too distance future. and no one says more? This is what growing up in US means? Gun violence every day here too , is there a connection GW? You murderer had a couple of illnesses in respiratory system that has made me keenly aware of pollution and  sensitivity to it, and I am telling those that live in these areas your being poisoned. Your going to suffer way more then people who don’t have to absorb this amount of pollution from cars and coal plants. Try to be objective and get beyond the fact that our own government might be subjecting  you to this slow poison by  ask for  objective data by comparing demographic and health of people from other non polluted citits and towns and our own polluted one . If you did, ( I certainly don’t need it cause I know) you would see a distinct differnce in people who are suffering and dying and having cancers and asthma more ( Pa. number 2 in nation) then many places on earth. Its more then shameful that govt is doing this but equally absurb that people who get up everyday and try to do the best things for their fmaily and get a good education can ignore the implications that they choose to live in F rated air and F rated environment for Cancers. Its shameful , because when I ask more and more people even out on the street, by suggesting the air stinks today, they nod their head in approval, yet they can’t take it one more step and do more by pressuring their leaders to do something now? Do they need to have their local news whores tell them when to act like puppets. ?Sometime news people , like people in govt have agendas ( advertising , protecting rich and not wanting people to move from their viewing and voting areas) and people should not have to wait for tv models to tell them what is importance. I categorically state we are being poisoned. I have no agenda politically except I do realize that we have allot of problems in US , even if 1/20th of the people in US are being poisoned daily and no one cares to do anything about it.  I am sure this includes some areas of California also. All this leads me to try to see how things are connected Oh by the way thanks Arlen for doing nothing about pollution in your state. Its now 13 percent of public lives in poverty and of course you hear it on your paid whores they call the free news ? No Hmmmm wonder why? And you think its not possible we are not being poisoned by pollution. Where most of the commercials on tv ,are for cars ,asthma meds, allergy meds  or cancer and heart clinics.in some cities  and not others? You think its far fetched to think life is basically conspiracies? Where its ok to poison their own population?   To produce jobs?  especially for oil or rich?  It is and will be and we are basically sheep to think otherwise. So its anything goes because chances are no matter what happens. the rich will gain in the end and they WILL KILLL EVERYONE of you without a care in the world so they can maintain yachts and play golf all day. .  The thing is more and more people understand this and are starting to treat each other with disrespect. I was on ebay and all of sudden people are deceiving others like never before. People don’t care about others because they have too many things to worry about. They even have commercials that show how insensitive we are becoming to one another. big companies rip you off with phone cards  that don;t work and bills and there often are no phone numbers to complain to., and I was in Best Buy and customers are screaming about being ripped, ..and when you do get an operator on phone, and they happen to answer, and you happen to make sense, they just put you on hold. Where good credit ratings means you will lose your credit if Sprint says you bought something you didnt and you can’t complain about it? Big companies will turn your gas off if you can’t afford to pay 120 dollars a month for gas when you don’t even use any except to cook food? everyone is paranoid and fecious for good reason or deceptive. . Wonderful role models we have and just a wonderful country , we got going on all fronts…..  But the worse part that goes all beyond this and our state govt voting themselves raises whenever they want,  is when govt actually crosses the lines and poisons you . ww.ericblumrich.com/thanks.html want role models? Our athletes not being  role models?  Who are our role models/ Tv actors? News and weather people who lie and deceive you? Its amazing our weather people say beautiful day while asthma meds in number two prescribed medication in the area nnd we had warning levels of pollution when I can’t even move around without wheezing and taking meds all day. Yet they worry about a fire in an abandoned home? Wonderful , Just wonderful .. and so you know how Nazi Germany happened. So all this poisoning has compelled to show other things that are connected. and why this is happening Millionaires are basically the only people being elected to Senate and now Congress Without voter reform we become a nation of rich elected with the only people able to get elected are the people rich enough to be able to afford to advertise. So eventually people being poisoned doesn’t have to seem so crazy after all or  make sense when everything else is added up. Bush who gutted rules for polluters and energy companies while kids ( maybe not you) have to bring nebulizers to school., millions including me having hard time breathing, Our pollution levels for toxicidity has increased at least four fold and not a thing is said. Asthma has jumped from 5 to 10 percent to 16 percent of youth  You see Bush as a role model,? when he makes rules that make it impossible to sue some businesses or polluters or the Saudis but more possible to sue consumers? Where Sierra club said Bush has unraveled 20 years of environment changes. Where kids have more mercury in their brains. Where many people don’t have any good days of air for months?  Where in some cities the biggest outlays of advertising for tv is asthma, and presrcription drugs to treat allergies, cancers and heart disease.? Where cancers association and American Lung association rates the area in which you live as F? That doesn’t make any sane person wonder why nothing is done 0r said and we sit and watch tv passively believeing the hype from models on tv purporting to give the news? Great and beautiful out certainly can’t include polluted and warnings to not go out even if they are legitimate if  tv expects continued billion dollars from advetisining from energy and drug companies.  Where there are more people then ever getting damage from sun and skin cancers? Where people think its hot and humidity that causes asthma,  or their deficincy in some kind of  immune response , but not the  the particulates and ozone that has jumped in my F Rated city or their city and I should be patriotic and accept my poisoning and having to pay for it so Bush could screw whoever he wants. Bush G O T O H E LL USA go to fking helll. You have no right to fking kill or poson me or our  people. not to mention watch as practically every conceivable correlation gets worse. So the top one percent can get record profits again. Our govt could have , or should have spent the same amount of money on lost Americans lives  in Iraq with alternative energy plans and our environment.   If you assume oil companies gettting record profits and paying for Bushs election is connected then you know why we were not prepared with alternatives. Millions of people

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::tossin’ Steve’ah life saver:: … and CHERRY !  yer so lucky. ~tanya

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Have u thought about moving out of the country? Just a thought. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Like I don’t know the answer? Our own government is poisoning people in Philly. Starting yesterday higher temperature, means my clean air machine starts to crackle more. Anyone got a  air cleaner attached to your heater? It starts to crackle when dirt hits the machine. Unfortunately it gets louder as the particulates gets more numberous. Unfortunately thats when my asthma drugs are needed and even then I am taken back by the clockwork how the body bodies  everywhere are affected and nothing is done. My guess that evidence points to your body cant cleanse out that damage. You are being poisoned and not enough people cares. Your brother, sister husband , wife and friend in this area is now being poisoned almost fifty percent of the time. in my area and a PBS special warning we will have the worst air in the world in the not too distance future. and no one says more? This is what growing up in US means? Gun violence every day here too , is there a connection GW? You murderer had a couple of illnesses in respiratory system that has made me keenly aware of pollution and  sensitivity to it, and I am telling those that live in these areas your being poisoned. Your going to suffer way more then people who don’t have to absorb this amount of pollution from cars and coal plants. Try to be objective and get beyond the fact that our own government  might be subjecting  you to this slow poison by  ask for  objective data by comparing demographic and health of people from other non polluted citits and towns and our own polluted one . If you did, ( I certainly don’t need it cause I know) you would see a distinct differnce in people who are suffering and dying and having cancers and asthma more ( Pa. number 2 in nation) then many places on earth. Its more then shameful that govt is doing this but equally absurb that people who get up everyday and try to do the best things for their fmaily and get a good education can ignore the implications that they choose to live in F rated air and F rated environment for Cancers. Its shameful , because when I ask more and more people even out on the street, by suggesting the air stinks today, they nod their head in approval, yet they can’t take it one more step and do more by pressuring their leaders to do something now? Do they need to have their local news whores tell them when to act like puppets. ?Sometime news people , like people in govt have agendas ( advertising , protecting rich and not wanting people to move from their viewing and voting areas) and people should not have to wait for tv models to tell them what is importance. I categorically state we are being poisoned. I have no agenda politically except I do realize that we have allot of problems in US , even if 1/20th of the people in US are being poisoned daily and no one cares to do anything about it.  I am sure this includes some areas of California also. All this leads me to try to see how things are connected Oh by the way thanks Arlen for doing nothing about pollution in your state. Its now 13 percent of public lives in poverty and of course you hear it on your paid whores they call the free news ? No Hmmmm wonder why? And you think its not possible we are not being poisoned by pollution. Where most of the commercials on tv ,are for cars ,asthma meds, allergy meds  or cancer and heart clinics.in some cities  and not others? You think its far fetched to think life is basically conspiracies? Where its ok to poison their own population?   To produce jobs?  especially for oil or rich?  It is and will be and we are basically sheep to think otherwise. So its anything goes because chances are no matter what happens. the rich will gain in the end and they WILL KILLL EVERYONE of you without a care in the world so they can maintain yachts and play golf all day. .  The thing is more and more people understand this and are starting to treat each other with disrespect. I was on ebay and all of sudden people are deceiving others like never before. People don’t care about others because they have too many things to worry about. They even have commercials that show how insensitive we are becoming to one another. big companies rip you off with phone cards  that don;t work and bills and there often are no phone numbers to complain to., and I was in Best Buy and customers are screaming about being ripped, ..and when you do get an operator on phone, and they happen to answer, and you happen to make sense, they just put you on hold. Where good credit ratings means you will lose your credit if Sprint says you bought something you didnt and you can’t complain about it? Big companies will turn your gas off if you can’t afford to pay 120 dollars a month for gas when you don’t even use any except to cook food? everyone is paranoid and fecious for good reason or deceptive. . Wonderful role models we have and just a wonderful country , we got going on all fronts…..  But the worse part that goes all beyond this and our state govt voting themselves raises whenever they want,  is when govt actually crosses the lines and poisons you . ww.ericblumrich.com/thanks.html want role models? Our athletes not being  role models?  Who are our role models/ Tv actors? News and weather people who lie and deceive you? Its amazing our weather people say beautiful day while asthma meds in number two prescribed medication in the area nnd we had warning levels of pollution when I can’t even move around without wheezing and taking meds all day. Yet they worry about a fire in an abandoned home? Wonderful , Just wonderful .. and so you know how Nazi Germany happened. So all this poisoning has compelled to show other things that are connected. and why this is happening Millionaires are basically the only people being elected to Senate and now Congress Without voter reform we become a nation of rich elected with the only people able to get elected are the people rich enough to be able to afford to advertise. So eventually people being poisoned doesn’t have to seem so crazy after all or  make sense when everything else is added up. Bush who gutted rules for polluters and energy companies while kids ( maybe not you) have to bring nebulizers to school., millions including me having hard time breathing, Our pollution levels for toxicidity has increased at least four fold and not a thing is said. Asthma has jumped from 5 to 10 percent to 16 percent of youth  You see Bush as a role model,? when he makes rules that make it impossible to sue some businesses or polluters or the Saudis but more possible to sue consumers? Where Sierra club said Bush has unraveled 20 years of environment changes. Where kids have more mercury in their brains. Where many people don’t have any good days of air for months?  Where in some cities the biggest outlays of advertising for tv is asthma, and presrcription drugs to treat allergies, cancers and heart disease.? Where cancers association and American Lung association rates the area in which you live as F? That doesn’t make any sane person wonder why nothing is done 0r said and we sit and watch tv passively believeing the hype from models on tv purporting to give the news? Great and beautiful out certainly can’t include polluted and warnings to not go out even if they are legitimate if  tv expects continued billion dollars from advetisining from energy and drug companies.  Where there are more people then ever getting damage from sun and skin cancers? Where people think its hot and humidity that causes asthma,  or their deficincy in some kind of  immune response , but not the  the particulates and ozone that has jumped in my F Rated city or their city and I should be patriotic and accept my poisoning and having to pay for it so Bush could screw whoever he wants. Bush G O T O H E LL USA go to fking helll. You have no right to fking kill or poson me or our  people. not to mention watch as practically every conceivable correlation gets worse. So the top one percent can get record profits again. Our govt could have , or should have spent the same amount of money on lost Americans lives  in Iraq with alternative energy plans and our environment.   If you assume oil companies gettting record profits and paying for Bushs election is connected then you know why we were not prepared with alternatives. Millions of people foresaw the rise of oil when Bush was in office but voted for him anyway. .Finally the matter of what drives business can be influenced by govt obviously thus oil and defense business soaring. What mandates better business when our kids are being poisoned though? One year we support terrorists the next we fight them. Could it be all because of jobs?  After all if we are really concerned with violence from terrorism but not violence in our streets which outpaces terrorism then obviously no one really cares about potential violence in reality at all  or fears unless more people can get paid in higher places to madate more funding. You might not know it but  hundreds of thousands are dying from respiratory diseases thru no fault of their own. You hear that?  Thru no fault of their own. out our country and some studies point that out. if you do a search on the net.  We have mercury poisoning and asthma at record rates. We have ocean temperatures at record levels.

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Like I don’t know the answer? Our own government is poisoning people in Philly. Starting yesterday higher temperature, means my clean air machine starts to crackle more. Anyone got a  air cleaner attached to your heater? It starts to crackle when dirt hits the machine. Unfortunately it gets louder as the particulates gets more numberous. Unfortunately thats when my asthma drugs are needed and even then I am taken back by the clockwork how the body bodies  everywhere are affected and nothing is done. My guess that evidence points to your body cant cleanse out that damage. You are being poisoned and not enough people cares. Your brother, sister husband , wife and friend in this area is now being poisoned almost fifty percent of the time. in my area and a PBS special warning we will have the worst air in the world in the not too distance future. and no one says more? This is what growing up in US means? Gun violence every day here too , is there a connection GW? You murderer  had a couple of illnesses in respiratory system that has made me keenly aware of pollution and  sensitivity to it, and I am telling those that live in these areas your being poisoned. Your going to suffer way more then people who don’t have to absorb this amount of pollution from cars and coal plants. Try to be objective and get beyond the fact that our own government  might be subjecting  you to this slow poison by  ask for  objective data by comparing demographic and health of people from other non polluted citits and towns and our own polluted one . If you did, ( I certainly don’t need it cause I know) you would see a distinct differnce in people who are suffering and dying and having cancers and asthma more ( Pa. number 2 in nation) then many places on earth. Its more then shameful that govt is doing this but equally absurb that people who get up everyday and try to do the best things for their fmaily and get a good education can ignore the implications that they choose to live in F rated air and F rated environment for Cancers. Its shameful , because when I ask more and more people even out on the street, by suggesting the air stinks today, they nod their head in approval, yet they can’t take it one more step and do more by pressuring their leaders to do something now? Do they need to have their local news whores tell them when to act like puppets. ?Sometime news people , like people in govt have agendas ( advertising , protecting rich and not wanting people to move from their viewing and voting areas) and people should not have to wait for tv models to tell them what is importance. I categorically state we are being poisoned. I have no agenda politically except I do realize that we have allot of problems in US , even if 1/20th of the people in US are being poisoned daily and no one cares to do anything about it.  I am sure this includes some areas of California also. All this leads me to try to see how things are connected Oh by the way thanks Arlen for doing nothing about pollution in your – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – state. Its now 13 percent of public lives in poverty and of course you hear it on your paid whores they call the free news ? No Hmmmm wonder why? And you think its not possible we are not being poisoned by pollution. Where most of the commercials on tv ,are for cars ,asthma meds, allergy meds  or cancer and heart clinics.in some cities  and not others? You think its far fetched to think life is basically conspiracies? Where its ok to poison their own population?   To produce jobs?  especially for oil or rich?  It is and will be and we are basically sheep to think otherwise. So its anything goes because chances are no matter what happens. the rich will gain in the end and they WILL KILLL EVERYONE of you without a care in the world so they can maintain yachts and play golf all day. .  The thing is more and more people understand this and are starting to treat each other with disrespect. I was on ebay and all of sudden people are deceiving others like never before. People don’t care about others because they have too many things to worry about. They even have commercials that show how insensitive we are becoming to one another. big companies rip you off with phone cards  that don;t work and bills and there often are no phone numbers to complain to., and I was in Best Buy and customers are screaming about being ripped, ..and when you do get an operator on phone, and they happen to answer, and you happen to make sense, they just put you on hold. Where good credit ratings means you will lose your credit if Sprint says you bought something you didnt and you can’t complain about it? Big companies will turn your gas off if you can’t afford to pay 120 dollars a month for gas when you don’t even use any except to cook food? everyone is paranoid and fecious for good reason or deceptive. . Wonderful role models we have and just a wonderful country , we got going on all fronts…..  But the worse part that goes all beyond this and our state govt voting themselves raises whenever they want,  is when govt actually crosses the lines and poisons you . ww.ericblumrich.com/thanks.html want role models? Our athletes not being  role models?  Who are our role models/ Tv actors? News and weather people who lie and deceive you? Its amazing our weather people say beautiful day while asthma meds in number two prescribed medication in the area nnd we had warning levels of pollution when I can’t even move around without wheezing and taking meds all day. Yet they worry about a fire in an abandoned home? Wonderful , Just wonderful .. and so you know how Nazi Germany happened.

So all this poisoning has compelled to show other things that are connected. and why this is happening Millionaires are basically the only people being elected to Senate and now Congress Without voter reform we become a nation of rich elected with the only people able to get elected are the people rich enough to be able to afford to advertise. So eventually people being poisoned doesn’t have to seem so crazy after all or  make sense when everything else is added up. Bush who gutted rules for polluters and – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – energy companies while kids ( maybe not you) have to bring nebulizers to school., millions including me having hard time breathing, Our pollution levels for toxicidity has increased at least four fold and not a thing is said. Asthma has jumped from 5 to 10 percent to 16 percent of youth  You see Bush as a role model,? when he makes rules that make it impossible to sue some businesses or polluters or the Saudis but more possible to sue consumers? Where Sierra club said Bush has unraveled 20 years of environment changes. Where kids have more mercury in their brains. Where many people don’t have any good days of air for months?  Where in some cities the biggest outlays of advertising for tv is asthma, and presrcription drugs to treat allergies, cancers and heart disease.? Where cancers association and American Lung association rates the area in which you live as F? That doesn’t make any sane person wonder why nothing is done 0r said and we sit and watch tv passively believeing the hype from models on tv purporting to give the news? Great and beautiful out certainly can’t include polluted and warnings to not go out even if they are legitimate if  tv expects continued billion dollars from advetisining from energy and drug companies.  Where there are more people then ever getting damage from sun and skin cancers? Where people think its hot and humidity that causes asthma,  or their deficincy in some kind of  immune response , but not the  the particulates and ozone that has jumped in my F Rated city or their city and I should be patriotic and accept my poisoning and having to pay for it so Bush could screw whoever he wants. Bush G O T O H E LL USA go to fking helll. You have no right to fking kill or poson me or our  people. not to mention watch as practically every conceivable correlation gets worse. So the top one percent can get record profits again. Our govt could have , or should have spent the same amount of money on lost Americans lives  in Iraq with alternative energy plans and our environment.   If you assume oil companies gettting record profits and paying for Bushs election is connected then you know why we were not prepared with alternatives. Millions of people foresaw the rise of oil when Bush was in office but voted for him anyway. .Finally the matter of what drives business can be influenced by govt obviously thus oil and defense business soaring. What mandates better business when our kids are being poisoned though? One year we support terrorists the next we fight them. Could it be all because of jobs?  After all if we are really concerned with violence from terrorism but not violence in our streets which outpaces terrorism then obviously no one really cares about potential violence in reality at all  or fears unless more people can get paid in higher places to madate more funding.

You might not know it but  hundreds of thousands are dying from respiratory – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – diseases thru no fault of their own. You hear that?  Thru no fault of their own. out our country and some studies point that out. if you do a search on the net.  We have mercury poisoning and asthma at record rates. We have ocean temperatures at record levels. We have polar ice melting  and record asthma, record skin cancers and we can’t drink our water or eat fish in many pleaces. .. At what point should things be done more proactive? its a crime to wait till 2020 a fking crimeLiberals or Conservative in the Republicans and Democrat parties  are virtually the same . They are mostly rich, they support people who vote in status quo, while ignoring most of people who have needs.  The make the agendas what we

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ok I am being poisoned and I was paid to help garner real anxiety links We have  govt where one in four kids in some NJ communities need asthma meds. and what does news and govt do? Ignores it. I ultimately am also affected but I can describe how and why and see how govt allows polluters free will to poison our area of the country. As soon as pollution levels increase , like clockwork my breathing is hard. You try to accept that where you live . Then you know why you are fortunate that you just have anxiety

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I’m fortunate to live in fucking New Orleans???? You have way too much time on your hands Steve. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ok I am being poisoned and I was paid to help garner real anxiety links We have  govt where one in four kids in some NJ communities need asthma meds. and what does news and govt do? Ignores it. I ultimately am also affected but I can describe how and why and see how govt allows polluters free will to poison our area of the country. As soon as pollution levels increase , like clockwork my breathing is hard. You try to accept that where you live . Then you know why you are fortunate that you just have anxiety huh??? by US govt. imagine a govt poisoning its own citizens. Geoge Bush is a murderer

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You need help. I’m not a shrink, but I was married to a crack addict and alcoholic and you remind me of him. Tell me I’m wrong. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – where is vashti?  when we need him or her?  bring that cognac over here please. . Or maybe i need to accept how do I get crazier with anxiety while offering to help others while being poisoned by my government and not really relying on cognitive therapy to help anxiety or being poisoned. Help by US govt. imagine a govt poisoning its own citizens. Geoge Bush is a murderer

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where is vashti?  when we need him or her?  bring that cognac over here please. . Or maybe i need to accept how do I get crazier with anxiety while offering to help others while being poisoned by my government and not really relying on cognitive therapy to help anxiety or being poisoned. Help – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – by US govt. imagine a govt poisoning its own citizens. Geoge Bush is a murderer

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she likes to dig in the dirt.  does that qualify as archaeology?

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I can’t imagine not treating your cat with meds at this point. His condition is obviously *not* stable as is evidenced by the increased murmur and increased thickening not to mention the fact that you brought him in in the first place because he was obviously feeling bad. Having had a cat with a heart condition myself, I can’t imagine, considering the above, that a vet would recommend not treating. Please get a second opinion, preferably from a cardiologist. Medication can help to stabilize a patient. What does this vet want to do? Wait until more damage is done? Also, the crackling sound that often goes with feline asthma is also common with heart condtions and is a sign of edema. Your cat’s panting is more likely to mean that dema is happening and he needs treatment for the heart condition, not a wait and see approach. My cat Omar also presented with this as well. Assuming asthma without doing an xray to look for the obvious signs to me, and especially knowing there is a heart condition, is *extremely* worrisome, and *coughing* is the most common sign of asthma, not panting. I have a cat with asthma so I’ve BTDT too.  Again, PLEASE get a second opinion! Just because a vet "seems" competent doesn’t make it so and the recommendation to not do meds is very alarming to me. http://www.newmanveterinary.com/felhcm.html Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu’s Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one’s favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." – W.H. Murray

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, himself is back from the TED, and very miffed about his shaved armpits he is too! The vet doing the Ultrasound and X-rays was very nice – she was also very direct, which I prefer. Apparently, Tigers heart murmer "HAS" increased from 3/6 to 4/6 (which is why the vet got upset last night) and there has been a slight thickening in the left ventrial wall compared to the utrasound readings 18 months ago, but nothing so significant that it merits medication at the moment as the whole thing seems relatively stabalised. Apparently, the literature suggests that for a stable HCM condition like Tiger has, rather than CHM, medication has not been shown to make a significant difference. The vet is competent, so I’ll follow her advice. Turns out that the panting is probably asthma!! Apparently after the ultrasound, they put him onto the equivalent of a kitty treadmill to see what he was like after exercise, and he started panting. Whilst this *is* indicative of heart problems, they listened to his chest and apparently he has "typical asthmatic sounds", whatever the hell they are. Needless to say, after the last 24 hours, I don’t really care! It’s treatable, it’s dealable, and my little boy is actually OK. )) Thank you all for the purrs and prayers – you really have no idea the difference it made to me having the support. Helen M

So glad to hear this, Helen!  Answering late, because I had to go to the vet yesterday to take in Sabra, who had been having problems with his asthma over the weekend. If I can help in any way answering any questions about the asthma, feel free to ask, Helen. Glad HRFL Tiger is okay Ginger-lyn

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<snip It’s treatable, it’s dealable, and my little boy is actually OK. )) Thank you all for the purrs and prayers – you really have no idea the difference it made to me having the support. Helen M

I’m so glad to hear it was nothing more serious. — Adrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – On 2005-02-22, HRFLTiger penned: Turns out that the panting is probably asthma!! Apparently after the ultrasound, they put him onto the equivalent of a kitty treadmill to see what he was like after exercise, and he started panting. Whilst this *is* indicative of heart problems, they listened to his chest and apparently he has "typical asthmatic sounds", whatever the hell they are. Needless to say, after the last 24 hours, I don’t really care! I’m trying to imagine a device that would get a cat to run consistently for long enough to get an accurate read.  I can’t do it.

It was strange enough to see a blood pressure taken with a cuff around Clifford’s tail. Even then, the cardiologist only measured the systolic pressure. I’m trying to remember if he needed a Doppler sensor rather than a stethoscope even for that.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, himself is back from the TED, and very miffed about his shaved armpits he is too! The vet doing the Ultrasound and X-rays was very nice – she was also very direct, which I prefer. Apparently, Tigers heart murmer "HAS" increased from 3/6 to 4/6 (which is why the vet got upset last night) and there has been a slight thickening in the left ventrial wall compared to the utrasound readings 18 months ago, but nothing so significant that it merits medication at the moment as the whole thing seems relatively stabalised. Apparently, the literature suggests that for a stable HCM condition like Tiger has, rather than CHM, medication has not been shown to make a significant difference. The vet is competent, so I’ll follow her advice. Turns out that the panting is probably asthma!! Apparently after the ultrasound, they put him onto the equivalent of a kitty treadmill to see what he was like after exercise, and he started panting. Whilst this *is* indicative of heart problems, they listened to his chest and apparently he has "typical asthmatic sounds", whatever the hell they are. Needless to say, after the last 24 hours, I don’t really care! It’s treatable, it’s dealable, and my little boy is actually OK. )) Thank you all for the purrs and prayers – you really have no idea the difference it made to me having the support. Helen M

This is excellent news!  I’m so happy to hear it!  Continued purrs for HRFL Tiger and all the other kitties and peoples who need purrs. Jill

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[[Ahhh, I had almost figured it out.  Just couldn't come up with the "L".  Aren't all "mwowing" furbabies reincarnated aristocracy?  Mine certainly think they are!]] Either that, or aristocracy are reincarnated from cats… and the cats KNOW it! ) Donna and the royal fuzzballs, Captain and Stanley

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I’m glad Tiger’s problem is treatable. Healthy long-life purrs for Tiger. Suz

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It’s treatable, it’s dealable, and my little boy is actually OK. ))

So glad to hear your little darling is OK. Did they put him on asthma meds? Nikki gets Prednisone, and it seems to keep her coughing down pretty well. — Marina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

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Oh, good boy, Tiger. Continuing to send the purrs. Katz & cats

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It’s treatable, it’s dealable, and my little boy is actually OK. )) So glad to hear your little darling is OK. Did they put him on asthma meds? Nikki gets Prednisone, and it seems to keep her coughing down pretty well.

Prednisone tends to cause less side effects in cats than in humans, but it’s still often associated with fluid retention. If it were to be given for the asthma in a furred/furless person with heart failure, I don’t think there’s any question that a diuretic, probably furosemide (Lasix) should be given with it. Megan does raise some valid concerns. I simply am not familiar with the veterinary literature involved. In humans, there would be no question of starting medications early, probably a diuretic.

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Good news that it is treatable!  Purrs continue. Debbie Berry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, himself is back from the TED, and very miffed about his shaved armpits he is too! The vet doing the Ultrasound and X-rays was very nice – she was also very direct, which I prefer. Apparently, Tigers heart murmer "HAS" increased from 3/6 to 4/6 (which is why the vet got upset last night) and there has been a slight thickening in the left ventrial wall compared to the utrasound readings 18 months ago, but nothing so significant that it merits medication at the moment as the whole thing seems relatively stabalised. Apparently, the literature suggests that for a stable HCM condition like Tiger has, rather than CHM, medication has not been shown to make a significant difference. The vet is competent, so I’ll follow her advice. Turns out that the panting is probably asthma!! Apparently after the ultrasound, they put him onto the equivalent of a kitty treadmill to see what he was like after exercise, and he started panting. Whilst this *is* indicative of heart problems, they listened to his chest and apparently he has "typical asthmatic sounds", whatever the hell they are. Needless to say, after the last 24 hours, I don’t really care! It’s treatable, it’s dealable, and my little boy is actually OK. )) Thank you all for the purrs and prayers – you really have no idea the difference it made to me having the support. Helen M

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It’s treatable, it’s dealable, and my little boy is actually OK. )) Thank you all for the purrs and prayers – you really have no idea the difference it made to me having the support. Helen M

Yeah! Three cheers for HRFH Love Jeanette

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If I may ask, what does HRFL mean? Of course you can ask Annie. ) It started out as a joke on RPCA waaay back in about 1999. I forget who coined it. HRFL stands for "His Royal Feline Lordship". Tiger is utterly convinced that if he stands still long enough the entire world will revolve around him. It frequently does! Helen M

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If I may ask, what does HRFL mean? Of course you can ask Annie. ) It started out as a joke on RPCA waaay back in about 1999. I forget who coined it. HRFL stands for "His Royal Feline Lordship". Tiger is utterly convinced that if he stands still long enough the entire world will revolve around him. It frequently does! Helen M

Ahhh, I had almost figured it out.  Just couldn’t come up with the "L".  Aren’t all "mwowing" furbabies reincarnated aristocracy?  Mine certainly think they are! Smokie Darling (Annie)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, himself is back from the TED, and very miffed about his shaved armpits he is too! The vet doing the Ultrasound and X-rays was very nice – she was also very direct, which I prefer. Apparently, Tigers heart murmer "HAS" increased from 3/6 to 4/6 (which is why the vet got upset last night) and there has been a slight thickening in the left ventrial wall compared to the utrasound readings 18 months ago, but nothing so significant that it merits medication at the moment as the whole thing seems relatively stabalised. Apparently, the literature suggests that for a stable HCM condition like Tiger has, rather than CHM, medication has not been shown to make a significant difference. The vet is competent, so I’ll follow her advice.

This might be a local difference — I don’t recognize the acronyms. I’d think of CHF as congestive heart failure, and we usually spell out the different kinds of heart enlargement and cardiomyopathy.  Are you referring to the valvular disease? Turns out that the panting is probably asthma!! Apparently after the ultrasound, they put him onto the equivalent of a kitty treadmill to see what he was like after exercise, and he started panting. Whilst this *is* indicative of heart problems, they listened to his chest and apparently he has "typical asthmatic sounds", whatever the hell they are. Needless to say, after the last 24 hours, I don’t really care!

I’m very glad they found that out, if medication becomes appropriate in the future. In human congestive heart failure, beta blockers (technically beta-adrenergic receptor antagonists) are a relatively new addition to the basic regimen of diuretics and often digitalis. Beta blockers, however, are contraindicated in asthma. It’s treatable, it’s dealable, and my little boy is actually OK. )) Thank you all for the purrs and prayers – you really have no idea the difference it made to me having the support.

Purrs again. If it helps any, while I don’t have heart valve problems, I did have heart enlargement from other conditions. With aggressive treatment, it’s completely reversed. Hopefully that might happen for Tiger. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Helen M

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Purrs continuing for Tiger! Hugs, CatNipped

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, himself is back from the TED, and very miffed about his shaved armpits he is too! The vet doing the Ultrasound and X-rays was very nice – she was also very direct, which I prefer. Apparently, Tigers heart murmer "HAS" increased from 3/6 to 4/6 (which is why the vet got upset last night) and there has been a slight thickening in the left ventrial wall compared to the utrasound readings 18 months ago, but nothing so significant that it merits medication at the moment as the whole thing seems relatively stabalised. Apparently, the literature suggests that for a stable HCM condition like Tiger has, rather than CHM, medication has not been shown to make a significant difference. The vet is competent, so I’ll follow her advice. Turns out that the panting is probably asthma!! Apparently after the ultrasound, they put him onto the equivalent of a kitty treadmill to see what he was like after exercise, and he started panting. Whilst this *is* indicative of heart problems, they listened to his chest and apparently he has "typical asthmatic sounds", whatever the hell they are. Needless to say, after the last 24 hours, I don’t really care! It’s treatable, it’s dealable, and my little boy is actually OK. )) Thank you all for the purrs and prayers – you really have no idea the difference it made to me having the support. Helen M

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MOST EXCELLENT NEWS!!! I’m so happy for HRFL Tiger and for you. Can we get jpegs of the saven armpits? Victor, posting from work

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It’s treatable, it’s dealable, and my little boy is actually OK. )) Thank you all for the purrs and prayers – you really have no idea the difference it made to me having the support. Helen M

Excellent news! Cheers, helen s p.s. – give himself a good earscritch from me!

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I’m glad to hear that the results were reassuring. ) Let HRFL Tiger know that he’s got company on this board with other asthmatic kitties. BTW, the one asthmatic cat that I knew was diagnosed during a summer about 20 years ago when the pollen count was HORRENDOUSLY high. I know that spring is on the way (and it can’t get here soon enough to suit me!), so maybe you can try and find out what the air quality is in your area. Maybe there’s pollen or mold or ??? in the air that’s triggering the asthma symptoms to crop up. Forewarned is forearmed. Captain and Stanley send HRFL some nice loud PURRRRS, and I send him some skritchies. Donna, Captain, and Stanley

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On 2005-02-22, HRFLTiger penned: Turns out that the panting is probably asthma!! Apparently after the ultrasound, they put him onto the equivalent of a kitty treadmill to see what he was like after exercise, and he started panting. Whilst this *is* indicative of heart problems, they listened to his chest and apparently he has "typical asthmatic sounds", whatever the hell they are. Needless to say, after the last 24 hours, I don’t really care!

I’m trying to imagine a device that would get a cat to run consistently for long enough to get an accurate read.  I can’t do it. It’s treatable, it’s dealable, and my little boy is actually OK. ))

Very good news! — monique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca

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"I’m trying to imagine a device that would get a cat to run consistently for long enough to get an accurate read.  I can’t do it." As I understand it, it involved a vet tech, a laser pointer and plenty of space in the prep area! ;o) Helen M

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, himself is back from the TED, and very miffed about his shaved armpits he is too! The vet doing the Ultrasound and X-rays was very nice – she was also very direct, which I prefer. Apparently, Tigers heart murmer "HAS" increased from 3/6 to 4/6 (which is why the vet got upset last night) and there has been a slight thickening in the left ventrial wall compared to the utrasound readings 18 months ago, but nothing so significant that it merits medication at the moment as the whole thing seems relatively stabalised. Apparently, the literature suggests that for a stable HCM condition like Tiger has, rather than CHM, medication has not been shown to make a significant difference. The vet is competent, so I’ll follow her advice. Turns out that the panting is probably asthma!! Apparently after the ultrasound, they put him onto the equivalent of a kitty treadmill to see what he was like after exercise, and he started panting. Whilst this *is* indicative of heart problems, they listened to his chest and apparently he has "typical asthmatic sounds", whatever the hell they are. Needless to say, after the last 24 hours, I don’t really care! It’s treatable, it’s dealable, and my little boy is actually OK. )) Thank you all for the purrs and prayers – you really have no idea the difference it made to me having the support. Helen M

I’m very happy that Tiger is going to be alright.  Being the big wuss that I am, when "owners" are not doing well, I imagine all sorts of awful things (and that’s for *other people’s* owners, imagine what I’m like with my own!). If I may ask, what does HRFL mean?  Answer only if you want to. Smokie Darling (Annie)

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Well, himself is back from the TED, and very miffed about his shaved armpits he is too!

I can imagine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The vet doing the Ultrasound and X-rays was very nice – she was also very direct, which I prefer. Apparently, Tigers heart murmer "HAS" increased from 3/6 to 4/6 (which is why the vet got upset last night) and there has been a slight thickening in the left ventrial wall compared to the utrasound readings 18 months ago, but nothing so significant that it merits medication at the moment as the whole thing seems relatively stabalised. Apparently, the literature suggests that for a stable HCM condition like Tiger has, rather than CHM, medication has not been shown to make a significant difference. The vet is competent, so I’ll follow her advice. Turns out that the panting is probably asthma!! Apparently after the ultrasound, they put him onto the equivalent of a kitty treadmill to see what he was like after exercise, and he started panting. Whilst this *is* indicative of heart problems, they listened to his chest and apparently he has "typical asthmatic sounds", whatever the hell they are. Needless to say, after the last 24 hours, I don’t really care! It’s treatable, it’s dealable, and my little boy is actually OK. ))

This is good news, glad to hear that. Thank you all for the purrs and prayers – you really have no idea the difference it made to me having the support. Helen M

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Well, himself is back from the TED, and very miffed about his shaved armpits he is too! The vet doing the Ultrasound and X-rays was very nice – she was also very direct, which I prefer. Apparently, Tigers heart murmer "HAS" increased from 3/6 to 4/6 (which is why the vet got upset last night) and there has been a slight thickening in the left ventrial wall compared to the utrasound readings 18 months ago, but nothing so significant that it merits medication at the moment as the whole thing seems relatively stabalised. Apparently, the literature suggests that for a stable HCM condition like Tiger has, rather than CHM, medication has not been shown to make a significant difference. The vet is competent, so I’ll follow her advice. Turns out that the panting is probably asthma!! Apparently after the ultrasound, they put him onto the equivalent of a kitty treadmill to see what he was like after exercise, and he started panting. Whilst this *is* indicative of heart problems, they listened to his chest and apparently he has "typical asthmatic sounds", whatever the hell they are. Needless to say, after the last 24 hours, I don’t really care! It’s treatable, it’s dealable, and my little boy is actually OK. )) Thank you all for the purrs and prayers – you really have no idea the difference it made to me having the support. Helen M

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Rose,     Now that you share your personal experience. When my first son was born, I wanted to name him Arian (you know Persians were an Arian race), but my wife did not want to have anything to do with Arian race to her, it smacked of super race and Nazis.     A few days ago, we were watching the wedding pictures of an old Indian colleague. There was swastika in one of the pictures. It turns out the Hindus have had it as a symbol for thousands of years.     Essentially there are certain symbols that gets associated too much with a group and it has lost its original concept. rednecks are associated with southern racists. Just think of Kleenex and Xerox. — Quaecomque sunt vera —- "rose" <rosedawn_sc…@yahoo.com

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abdi wrote: Actually for a while I tried not to use the term red neck. But something about it makes me go back. I realize some Germans were not NAZI, but tell that to German Jews. when i was growing up in DC, our next-door neighbors were german jewish immigrants, both parents survivors of death camps. they still knew people in germany, but mrs. D had never been back since the liberation. mr. D thought it would be a good idea, that they could visit surviving friends, but his wife was very much against it, and used to talk about it with my ma. mr. D said he thought if they went back for the visit, his wife would realize that it wasn’t right to hate an entire country, or the land on which horrible things had been done to them, or people who were not even born yet when the horrible things happened. he finally convinced her to make the trip, and when she got back she told us all she was glad they’d gone; leo was right; she realized that if she hated people who had nothing but ethnicity in common with the real torturers then she’d be stuck in hate and bitterness forever, and now she felt truly free. i’ve often wished more folks were that wise. I realize some red necks did not take pleasure in shock and awe but most did, its a mental attitude when you do not care [...] Its a mind set. ok, so by your logic, if i suddenly started using the term ‘ragheads’ in every single post, it would be all good, so long as i explained i wasn’t dissing muslims, just a ‘mind set.’  wouldn’t matter if i ‘accidentally’ offended a few people, becauause they’re too dumb to realize that when i say ‘f-ing towel heads,’ i’m not talking about muslims or arabs, but  only about mental attitudes. schyeah! i don’t think so. i think you really just want to be inflammatory; otherwise you’d come up with other ways to indicate your displeasure that don’t involve insulting millions of working class people with a single broad stroke. so flame on, just don’t expect any of us white trash rednecks to bother reading between the insults to try to figure out what the hell you’re ‘really’ trying to say. redneck rose

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Abdi, damn youre stupid.  There already exists bombs that can cause MS. Biological warfare bombs.  Developed by several nations.  All unrelated.  I suggest you look into the USSRs creation of it.  The scientist bragged about it on 60 Minutes… AND the Federation of American Scientists had his research up on their website for a while.  Its all FACT.  The DOD had the Federation pull the studies from their websites, they recalled all the books nationwide that had mention of the scientists research in it, and payed him a handsome sum to defect to the US.  All Fact.  You know nothing abdi, youre just paranoid… for good reason I suppose.  If you actually do have MS. Rob (If you dont believe me, simply go to their website, find out who the director is, and email him.  Simple right?  He’ll tell ya.  If he lies, let me know.  I can fix that.) "abdi" <a…@yahoo.com

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news:ARpPd.5739$nC5.348@twister.nyroc.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Jamie, you are wrong, I was trying to help cure MS. The thing is, most of > the rednecks (Pentagon and … ) will > think if I say government has no interest , will think the opposite and > they may fund some research on brain disorders.  So its good ,besides that > they may want to create a bomb that causes MS. They may think its > patriotic too. > — > Quaecomque sunt vera —- > "Jamie" <jamievickersnos…@rogers.com

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>> news:1XfPd.2211$H05.745@twister.nyroc.rr.com… >>> Thanks for this sad confirmation. Most people in our family has some >>> sort of auto immune disease too. Obviously >>> its not the government job to find the gene that causes it. >>> — >>> Quaecomque sunt vera —- >>> "white.lynx" <white.l…@shaw.ca

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>>> news:L4zOd.345904$6l.151259@pd7tw2no… >>>>I remember everyone in my family including myself (about five years >>>>before I develop my first MS symptom) volunteering a sample our blood >>>>for this study when my older brother was diagnosed with MS. >>>> I like the term genetic susceptibility because I had no idea how to >>>> properly pronounce that, while it is not hereditary, it is familial in >>>> nature.  This is also from the same web site of the Canadian MS Society >>>> It would probably be about 15 years now since I first heard of this >>>> researcher at the University of British Columbia, Vancouver —   >>>> Canada —  Dr. Dessa Sadovnick, >>>> http://www.mssociety.ca/en/research/medmmo-hepatitisB-sep04.htm >>>> Genetic susceptibility >>>> The Canadian Study of Genetic Susceptibility in MS led by Dr. George >>>> Ebers, Oxford University, and Dr. Dessa Sadovnick, University of >>>> British Columbia, has shown conclusively that genes are an important >>>> factor in the development of MS. The Canadian study is recognized as >>>> being the largest and most comprehensive study of its kind in the >>>> world. >>>> The first three phases of this study, entirely funded by the MS >>>> Scientific Research Foundation, have contributed enormously to >>>> scientists’ understanding of MS and are enabling researchers to tackle >>>> totally new areas such as environmental factors linked with genetic >>>> susceptibility. >>>> — >>>> Larry >>>> Rather than building character, adversity tends to reveal it >>>> written using voice recognition software

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My best guess is that there are several diseases classified as MS, a seemingly help is of no use in some cases, due to its cause. Anyway, the vaccines, artificial sweeteners, wheat sensitivity, mercury poisoning, some fats, stress, iron, lime have all been culprit in some cases, but not in all. — Quaecomque sunt vera —- "Rob Duncan" <robdun…@gbronline.com

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> news:NhVPd.12302$vK5.4459@twister.nyroc.rr.com… >> Hay Rob, you think the asses of evil have used these bombs on you? > Its spelled "hey".  I wouldnt have a clue how I got MS.  Nor do you, nor > does anyone.  The most we can have are deep suspisions.  I wouldnt doubt I > got it from one of the dozens of vaccinations Ive had.  My shot record > looks like a small book.  Or maybe I got it from a goldfish I swallowed in > college; who knows? > Seriously, whats your honest best guess?  Mine is immune-disfunction in > conjuntion with exposure to mycoplasma fermentans incognitus, as it, and > MS, are indistinguishable.  Indistinguishable in those who are succeptable > to it. > Rob >> — >> Quaecomque sunt vera —- >> "Rob Duncan" <robdun…@gbronline.com

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>> news:7OCdnX1V0JwNho3fRVn-pQ@gbronline.com… >>> Abdi, damn youre stupid.  There already exists bombs that can cause MS. >>> Biological warfare bombs.  Developed by several nations.  All unrelated. >>> I suggest you look into the USSRs creation of it.  The scientist bragged >>> about it on 60 Minutes… AND the Federation of American Scientists had >>> his research up on their website for a while.  Its all FACT.  The DOD >>> had the Federation pull the studies from their websites, they recalled >>> all the books nationwide that had mention of the scientists research in >>> it, and payed him a handsome sum to defect to the US.  All Fact.  You >>> know nothing abdi, youre just paranoid… for good reason I suppose.  If >>> you actually do have MS. >>> Rob >>> (If you dont believe me, simply go to their website, find out who the >>> director is, and email him.  Simple right?  He’ll tell ya.  If he lies, >>> let me know.  I can fix that.) >>> "abdi" <a…@yahoo.com

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>>> news:ARpPd.5739$nC5.348@twister.nyroc.rr.com… >>>> Jamie, you are wrong, I was trying to help cure MS. The thing is, most >>>> of the rednecks (Pentagon and … ) will >>>> think if I say government has no interest , will think the opposite and >>>> they may fund some research on brain disorders.  So its good ,besides >>>> that they may want to create a bomb that causes MS. They may think its >>>> patriotic too. >>>> — >>>> Quaecomque sunt vera —- >>>> "Jamie" <jamievickersnos…@rogers.com

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>>>>> news:1XfPd.2211$H05.745@twister.nyroc.rr.com… >>>>>> Thanks for this sad confirmation. Most people in our family has some >>>>>> sort of auto immune disease too. Obviously >>>>>> its not the government job to find the gene that causes it. >>>>>> — >>>>>> Quaecomque sunt vera —- >>>>>> "white.lynx" <white.l…@shaw.ca

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>>>>>> news:L4zOd.345904$6l.151259@pd7tw2no… >>>>>>>I remember everyone in my family including myself (about five years >>>>>>>before I develop my first MS symptom) volunteering a sample our blood >>>>>>>for this study when my older brother was diagnosed with MS. >>>>>>> I like the term genetic susceptibility because I had no idea how to >>>>>>> properly pronounce that, while it is not hereditary, it is familial >>>>>>> in nature.  This is also from the same web site of the Canadian MS >>>>>>> Society >>>>>>> It would probably be about 15 years now since I first heard of this >>>>>>> researcher at the University of British Columbia, Vancouver —   >>>>>>> Canada —  Dr. Dessa Sadovnick, >>>>>>> http://www.mssociety.ca/en/research/medmmo-hepatitisB-sep04.htm >>>>>>> Genetic susceptibility >>>>>>> The Canadian Study of Genetic Susceptibility in MS led by Dr. George >>>>>>> Ebers, Oxford University, and Dr. Dessa Sadovnick, University of >>>>>>> British Columbia, has shown conclusively that genes are an important >>>>>>> factor in the development of MS. The Canadian study is recognized as >>>>>>> being the largest and most comprehensive study of its kind in the >>>>>>> world. >>>>>>> The first three phases of this study, entirely funded by the MS >>>>>>> Scientific Research Foundation, have contributed enormously to >>>>>>> scientists’ understanding of MS and are enabling researchers to >>>>>>> tackle totally new areas such as environmental factors linked with >>>>>>> genetic susceptibility. >>>>>>> — >>>>>>> Larry >>>>>>> Rather than building character, adversity tends to reveal it >>>>>>> written using voice recognition software

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Hay Rob, you think the asses of evil have used these bombs on you?

Its spelled "hey".  I wouldnt have a clue how I got MS.  Nor do you, nor does anyone.  The most we can have are deep suspisions.  I wouldnt doubt I got it from one of the dozens of vaccinations Ive had.  My shot record looks like a small book.  Or maybe I got it from a goldfish I swallowed in college; who knows? Seriously, whats your honest best guess?  Mine is immune-disfunction in conjuntion with exposure to mycoplasma fermentans incognitus, as it, and MS, are indistinguishable.  Indistinguishable in those who are succeptable to it. Rob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> — > Quaecomque sunt vera —- > "Rob Duncan" <robdun…@gbronline.com

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> news:7OCdnX1V0JwNho3fRVn-pQ@gbronline.com… >> Abdi, damn youre stupid.  There already exists bombs that can cause MS. >> Biological warfare bombs.  Developed by several nations.  All unrelated. >> I suggest you look into the USSRs creation of it.  The scientist bragged >> about it on 60 Minutes… AND the Federation of American Scientists had >> his research up on their website for a while.  Its all FACT.  The DOD had >> the Federation pull the studies from their websites, they recalled all >> the books nationwide that had mention of the scientists research in it, >> and payed him a handsome sum to defect to the US.  All Fact.  You know >> nothing abdi, youre just paranoid… for good reason I suppose.  If you >> actually do have MS. >> Rob >> (If you dont believe me, simply go to their website, find out who the >> director is, and email him.  Simple right?  He’ll tell ya.  If he lies, >> let me know.  I can fix that.) >> "abdi" <a…@yahoo.com

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>> news:ARpPd.5739$nC5.348@twister.nyroc.rr.com… >>> Jamie, you are wrong, I was trying to help cure MS. The thing is, most >>> of the rednecks (Pentagon and … ) will >>> think if I say government has no interest , will think the opposite and >>> they may fund some research on brain disorders.  So its good ,besides >>> that they may want to create a bomb that causes MS. They may think its >>> patriotic too. >>> — >>> Quaecomque sunt vera —- >>> "Jamie" <jamievickersnos…@rogers.com

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>>> news:JbydnWDAhJa5D5DfRVn-tQ@rogers.com… >>>> wow adbi almost made a FULL on topic reply!!! but had to add a 2nd line >>>> poke to bring it full circle to politcal garbage. >>>> "abdi" <a…@yahoo.com

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>>>> news:1XfPd.2211$H05.745@twister.nyroc.rr.com… >>>>> Thanks for this sad confirmation. Most people in our family has some >>>>> sort of auto immune disease too. Obviously >>>>> its not the government job to find the gene that causes it. >>>>> — >>>>> Quaecomque sunt vera —- >>>>> "white.lynx" <white.l…@shaw.ca

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>>>>> news:L4zOd.345904$6l.151259@pd7tw2no… >>>>>>I remember everyone in my family including myself (about five years >>>>>>before I develop my first MS symptom) volunteering a sample our blood >>>>>>for this study when my older brother was diagnosed with MS. >>>>>> I like the term genetic susceptibility because I had no idea how to >>>>>> properly pronounce that, while it is not hereditary, it is familial >>>>>> in nature.  This is also from the same web site of the Canadian MS >>>>>> Society >>>>>> It would probably be about 15 years now since I first heard of this >>>>>> researcher at the University of British Columbia, Vancouver —   >>>>>> Canada —  Dr. Dessa Sadovnick, >>>>>> http://www.mssociety.ca/en/research/medmmo-hepatitisB-sep04.htm >>>>>> Genetic susceptibility >>>>>> The Canadian Study of Genetic Susceptibility in MS led by Dr. George >>>>>> Ebers, Oxford University, and Dr. Dessa Sadovnick, University of >>>>>> British Columbia, has shown conclusively that genes are an important >>>>>> factor in the development of MS. The Canadian study is recognized as >>>>>> being the largest and most comprehensive study of its kind in the >>>>>> world. >>>>>> The first three phases of this study, entirely funded by the MS >>>>>> Scientific Research Foundation, have contributed enormously to >>>>>> scientists’ understanding of MS and are enabling researchers to >>>>>> tackle totally new areas such as environmental factors linked with >>>>>> genetic susceptibility. >>>>>> — >>>>>> Larry >>>>>> Rather than building character, adversity tends to reveal it >>>>>> written using voice recognition software

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Hay Rob, you think the asses of evil have used these bombs on you? — Quaecomque sunt vera —- "Rob Duncan" <robdun…@gbronline.com

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> news:ARpPd.5739$nC5.348@twister.nyroc.rr.com… >> Jamie, you are wrong, I was trying to help cure MS. The thing is, most of >> the rednecks (Pentagon and … ) will >> think if I say government has no interest , will think the opposite and >> they may fund some research on brain disorders.  So its good ,besides >> that they may want to create a bomb that causes MS. They may think its >> patriotic too. >> — >> Quaecomque sunt vera —- >> "Jamie" <jamievickersnos…@rogers.com

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>> news:JbydnWDAhJa5D5DfRVn-tQ@rogers.com… >>> wow adbi almost made a FULL on topic reply!!! but had to add a 2nd line >>> poke to bring it full circle to politcal garbage. >>> "abdi" <a…@yahoo.com

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>>> news:1XfPd.2211$H05.745@twister.nyroc.rr.com… >>>> Thanks for this sad confirmation. Most people in our family has some >>>> sort of auto immune disease too. Obviously >>>> its not the government job to find the gene that causes it. >>>> — >>>> Quaecomque sunt vera —- >>>> "white.lynx" <white.l…@shaw.ca

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>>>> news:L4zOd.345904$6l.151259@pd7tw2no… >>>>>I remember everyone in my family including myself (about five years >>>>>before I develop my first MS symptom) volunteering a sample our blood >>>>>for this study when my older brother was diagnosed with MS. >>>>> I like the term genetic susceptibility because I had no idea how to >>>>> properly pronounce that, while it is not hereditary, it is familial in >>>>> nature.  This is also from the same web site of the Canadian MS >>>>> Society >>>>> It would probably be about 15 years now since I first heard of this >>>>> researcher at the University of British Columbia, Vancouver —   >>>>>  Canada —  Dr. Dessa Sadovnick, >>>>> http://www.mssociety.ca/en/research/medmmo-hepatitisB-sep04.htm >>>>> Genetic susceptibility >>>>> The Canadian Study of Genetic Susceptibility in MS led by Dr. George >>>>> Ebers, Oxford University, and Dr. Dessa Sadovnick, University of >>>>> British Columbia, has shown conclusively that genes are an important >>>>> factor in the development of MS. The Canadian study is recognized as >>>>> being the largest and most comprehensive study of its kind in the >>>>> world. >>>>> The first three phases of this study, entirely funded by the MS >>>>> Scientific Research Foundation, have contributed enormously to >>>>> scientists’ understanding of MS and are enabling researchers to tackle >>>>> totally new areas such as environmental factors linked with genetic >>>>> susceptibility. >>>>> — >>>>> Larry >>>>> Rather than building character, adversity tends to reveal it >>>>> written using voice recognition software

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Now youre calling him a liar?  Unbelievable.  Abdi, youre an idiot.  Go back to Iran, please.  They need you. Rob "abdi" <a…@yahoo.com

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> news:1108291548.718626.106730@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com… >> Sadly, Abdi is an ignorant, hateful human being who has said such >> glorious things as "rednecks are comparable to terrorists sawing off >> heads, Nazi’s…. The USA uses civilians as target practice in >> Afghanistan, Bin Laden is the best thing that ever happened to the >> USA…" Others who shoulds know better, saying "Abdi is ok in my book" >> is just as tragic. >> Chuck

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Actually for a while I tried not to use the term red neck. But something about it makes me go back. I realize some Germans were not NAZI, but tell that to German Jews. Essentially almost everyone turned on them and to them the whole nation was  NAZI. I realize some red necks did not take pleasure in shock and awe but most did, its a mental attitude when you do not care about your fellow human beings, you buy all the dehumanization that you are spoon fed in State of Union. A guy like Rumsfeld comes and bamboozles you with words like "unknowable" and you think you are too stupid to comprehend. Its a mind set.

So, you wouldnt be offended if people referred to you as a rag-head, cammel jockey, sand-nigger, etc.?   I think you would.  Youre a dumbfuck because you insult broad groups of people with a slur thats reserved for them and them alone to use.  Just like a black guy can call his buddies nigger all day long, and a white would never use it, you need to engage that damaged brain of yours and figure out why people are insulted when YOU use it. A white would never use that term, (the N-word) even in jest, yet you use your slur, intenionally, to hurt and insult people.  You are indeed the result Arab-Camel copulation.  During the "wrong" time of month.  Are you begining to understand why people, even if they may agree with what you have to say… dont like you? Rob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Quaecomque sunt vera —- > "rose" <rosedawn_sc…@yahoo.com

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> news:1108226130.290511.5420@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com… >> abdi wrote: >>> Jamie, you are wrong, I was trying to help cure MS. The thing is, >> most of >>> the rednecks (Pentagon and … ) will >> abdi, dammit, you know something, i’ve never disliked you personally. >> you’re a person with M.S. who mainly sticks to the political threads >> and occasionally posts something re M.S. — so what, there are other >> newsgroup regulars with similar posting patterns. i’ve never held it >> agaist you. >> BUT!!! there you go again with the ‘redneck’ jibe. you’ve been told >> before that it’s an insulting term, akin to referring to someone as >> ‘white trash,’ and that it absolutely, positively does NOT describe ANY >> political figure — one of the keys to being a modern american >> ‘redneck’ is being white and WORKING CLASS. >> you don’t insult ‘the pentagon and…’ by using this bigoted term; >> instead you insult a bunch of folks you don’t know and have never met, >> some of whom have M.S. and read the newsgroup, who struggle with the >> same issues of disease, disability, and money [or lack thereof] that >> you do. >> if you absolutely MUST be insulting, why not use a term like ‘fatcats’ >> — more accurate, less broad, no racist overtones. >> unless you’ve got a hate on for people who keep their christmas lights >> up on the front porch all year long and know all the words to every old >> bocephus song, you’re using the term incorrectly, and insulting large >> groups of people for no other reason than to stir up the cauldron. >> rose, cali redneck and coal miner’s granddaughter [for real!]

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wow adbi almost made a FULL on topic reply!!! but had to add a 2nd line poke to bring it full circle to politcal garbage. "abdi" <a…@yahoo.com

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> news:L4zOd.345904$6l.151259@pd7tw2no… >>I remember everyone in my family including myself (about five years before >>I develop my first MS symptom) volunteering a sample our blood for this >>study when my older brother was diagnosed with MS. >> I like the term genetic susceptibility because I had no idea how to >> properly pronounce that, while it is not hereditary, it is familial in >> nature.  This is also from the same web site of the Canadian MS Society >> It would probably be about 15 years now since I first heard of this >> researcher at the University of British Columbia, Vancouver — Canada —   >> Dr. Dessa Sadovnick, >> http://www.mssociety.ca/en/research/medmmo-hepatitisB-sep04.htm >> Genetic susceptibility >> The Canadian Study of Genetic Susceptibility in MS led by Dr. George >> Ebers, Oxford University, and Dr. Dessa Sadovnick, University of British >> Columbia, has shown conclusively that genes are an important factor in >> the development of MS. The Canadian study is recognized as being the >> largest and most comprehensive study of its kind in the world. >> The first three phases of this study, entirely funded by the MS >> Scientific Research Foundation, have contributed enormously to >> scientists’ understanding of MS and are enabling researchers to tackle >> totally new areas such as environmental factors linked with genetic >> susceptibility. >> — >> Larry >> Rather than building character, adversity tends to reveal it >> written using voice recognition software

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Sadly, Abdi is an ignorant, hateful human being who has said such glorious things as "rednecks are comparable to terrorists sawing off heads, Nazi’s…. The USA uses civilians as target practice in Afghanistan, Bin Laden is the best thing that ever happened to the USA…" Others who shoulds know better, saying "Abdi is ok in my book" is just as tragic. Chuck

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Actually for a while I tried not to use the term red neck. But

something

about it makes me go back. I realize some Germans were not NAZI, but

tell

that to German Jews.

when i was growing up in DC, our next-door neighbors were german jewish immigrants, both parents survivors of death camps. they still knew people in germany, but mrs. D had never been back since the liberation. mr. D thought it would be a good idea, that they could visit surviving friends, but his wife was very much against it, and used to talk about it with my ma. mr. D said he thought if they went back for the visit, his wife would realize that it wasn’t right to hate an entire country, or the land on which horrible things had been done to them, or people who were not even born yet when the horrible things happened. he finally convinced her to make the trip, and when she got back she told us all she was glad they’d gone; leo was right; she realized that if she hated people who had nothing but ethnicity in common with the real torturers then she’d be stuck in hate and bitterness forever, and now she felt truly free. i’ve often wished more folks were that wise.

I realize some red necks did not take pleasure in shock and awe but most did, its a mental attitude when you do not

care [...]

Its a mind set.

ok, so by your logic, if i suddenly started using the term ‘ragheads’ in every single post, it would be all good, so long as i explained i wasn’t dissing muslims, just a ‘mind set.’  wouldn’t matter if i ‘accidentally’ offended a few people, becauause they’re too dumb to realize that when i say ‘f-ing towel heads,’ i’m not talking about muslims or arabs, but  only about mental attitudes. schyeah! i don’t think so. i think you really just want to be inflammatory; otherwise you’d come up with other ways to indicate your displeasure that don’t involve insulting millions of working class people with a single broad stroke. so flame on, just don’t expect any of us white trash rednecks to bother reading between the insults to try to figure out what the hell you’re ‘really’ trying to say. redneck rose

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Others who shoulds know better, saying "Abdi is ok in my book" is just as tragic. Chuck

yo chuck, am i one of the ‘others who should know better?’ don’t want to be paranoid, but i haven’t seen anyone say that, so i wonder. what i said was that abdi has M.S. and posts mainly in the political threads, with an occasional M.S.-related post, and that there are other people reading the NG who follow a similar pattern, and THAT’s ok with me, even tho my posting style is the opposite — mostly M.S. related stuff, just the occasional visit to the political threads. so i might have missed some ‘abdi is ok by me’ statements. i never had a personal dislike for him, maybe partly because i’ve missed some of his posts — i reckon he’s got more ‘right’ to be here posting OT, than someone like ironman, who doesn’t have MS. himself, but always posts about M.S. — i won’t say ‘on topic,’ because it always comes back to that SINGLE topic with tom. i still don’t dislike him personally, because i dont’ knw him personally. some folks are good people IRL, but raving jerks online, no way to sort them out unless you know the people involved. i definitely disagree that this is a tragic attitude to have, if the ref was about me — if not, ignore me, i’m just being suspicious. while he still might be an ok person IRL, online he’s just looking like a deliberate flamer at this point, and there’s no reasoning with people who are insulting and racist because they WANT to be, rather than due to ignorance or sloppy use of language. working class rose

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Just for the record all these are lies. Its not true. My only point has always, ALWAYS been to make Americans live by the standards that they must. Its very VERY stupid, when American troops are being held to the standards of a terrorist. Its stupid. — Quaecomque sunt vera —- "Chuck" <ChuckM…@aol.com

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Sadly, Abdi is an ignorant, hateful human being who has said such glorious things as "rednecks are comparable to terrorists sawing off heads, Nazi’s…. The USA uses civilians as target practice in Afghanistan, Bin Laden is the best thing that ever happened to the USA…" Others who shoulds know better, saying "Abdi is ok in my book" is just as tragic. Chuck

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Jamie, you are wrong, I was trying to help cure MS. The thing is,

most of

the rednecks (Pentagon and … ) will

abdi, dammit, you know something, i’ve never disliked you personally. you’re a person with M.S. who mainly sticks to the political threads and occasionally posts something re M.S. — so what, there are other newsgroup regulars with similar posting patterns. i’ve never held it agaist you. BUT!!! there you go again with the ‘redneck’ jibe. you’ve been told before that it’s an insulting term, akin to referring to someone as ‘white trash,’ and that it absolutely, positively does NOT describe ANY political figure — one of the keys to being a modern american ‘redneck’ is being white and WORKING CLASS. you don’t insult ‘the pentagon and…’ by using this bigoted term; instead you insult a bunch of folks you don’t know and have never met, some of whom have M.S. and read the newsgroup, who struggle with the same issues of disease, disability, and money [or lack thereof] that you do. if you absolutely MUST be insulting, why not use a term like ‘fatcats’ — more accurate, less broad, no racist overtones. unless you’ve got a hate on for people who keep their christmas lights up on the front porch all year long and know all the words to every old bocephus song, you’re using the term incorrectly, and insulting large groups of people for no other reason than to stir up the cauldron. rose, cali redneck and coal miner’s granddaughter [for real!]

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Actually for a while I tried not to use the term red neck. But something about it makes me go back. I realize some Germans were not NAZI, but tell that to German Jews. Essentially almost everyone turned on them and to them the whole nation was  NAZI. I realize some red necks did not take pleasure in shock and awe but most did, its a mental attitude when you do not care about your fellow human beings, you buy all the dehumanization that you are spoon fed in State of Union. A guy like Rumsfeld comes and bamboozles you with words like "unknowable" and you think you are too stupid to comprehend. Its a mind set. — Quaecomque sunt vera —- "rose" <rosedawn_sc…@yahoo.com

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abdi wrote: Jamie, you are wrong, I was trying to help cure MS. The thing is, most of the rednecks (Pentagon and … ) will abdi, dammit, you know something, i’ve never disliked you personally. you’re a person with M.S. who mainly sticks to the political threads and occasionally posts something re M.S. — so what, there are other newsgroup regulars with similar posting patterns. i’ve never held it agaist you. BUT!!! there you go again with the ‘redneck’ jibe. you’ve been told before that it’s an insulting term, akin to referring to someone as ‘white trash,’ and that it absolutely, positively does NOT describe ANY political figure — one of the keys to being a modern american ‘redneck’ is being white and WORKING CLASS. you don’t insult ‘the pentagon and…’ by using this bigoted term; instead you insult a bunch of folks you don’t know and have never met, some of whom have M.S. and read the newsgroup, who struggle with the same issues of disease, disability, and money [or lack thereof] that you do. if you absolutely MUST be insulting, why not use a term like ‘fatcats’ — more accurate, less broad, no racist overtones. unless you’ve got a hate on for people who keep their christmas lights up on the front porch all year long and know all the words to every old bocephus song, you’re using the term incorrectly, and insulting large groups of people for no other reason than to stir up the cauldron. rose, cali redneck and coal miner’s granddaughter [for real!]

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I am the first person in my family on both sides who has diabetes and the first to have MS.  The only one who is close (at least by auto-immune disease) is my father who has Chron’s disease. Jenni

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Good catch Jamie, we will make you pay! My family has issues, me more so than the rest.  Oldest brother has mild torrets syndrome, another one deals with depression, Chuck, was schizophrenic and died of cancer, younger brother is dyslexic and a mother that is depressed and doesn’t know about it and is unwilling to accept it and then you have the whole dysfunctional large family thing going.  Too many issues, too many issues.  No wonder I’m like I am. One none neurological commonality, high blood pressure.  I did have and Uncle that was diagnosed with "sleeping disease" needless to say he slept a lot.  Probably in today’s world he would’ve been diagnosed with multiple sclerosis.  He had visioned problems speech, cognitive issues almost more of a mental handicap though.  It resembled more of a stroke than anything.  But it started at a young age and slowly progressed. Top that, good luck, Bob

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Jamie, you are wrong, I was trying to help cure MS. The thing is, most of the rednecks (Pentagon and … ) will think if I say government has no interest , will think the opposite and they may fund some research on brain disorders.  So its good ,besides that they may want to create a bomb that causes MS. They may think its  patriotic too. — Quaecomque sunt vera —- "Jamie" <jamievickersnos…@rogers.com

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>> news:L4zOd.345904$6l.151259@pd7tw2no… >>>I remember everyone in my family including myself (about five years >>>before I develop my first MS symptom) volunteering a sample our blood for >>>this study when my older brother was diagnosed with MS. >>> I like the term genetic susceptibility because I had no idea how to >>> properly pronounce that, while it is not hereditary, it is familial in >>> nature.  This is also from the same web site of the Canadian MS Society >>> It would probably be about 15 years now since I first heard of this >>> researcher at the University of British Columbia, Vancouver — Canada —   >>> Dr. Dessa Sadovnick, >>> http://www.mssociety.ca/en/research/medmmo-hepatitisB-sep04.htm >>> Genetic susceptibility >>> The Canadian Study of Genetic Susceptibility in MS led by Dr. George >>> Ebers, Oxford University, and Dr. Dessa Sadovnick, University of British >>> Columbia, has shown conclusively that genes are an important factor in >>> the development of MS. The Canadian study is recognized as being the >>> largest and most comprehensive study of its kind in the world. >>> The first three phases of this study, entirely funded by the MS >>> Scientific Research Foundation, have contributed enormously to >>> scientists’ understanding of MS and are enabling researchers to tackle >>> totally new areas such as environmental factors linked with genetic >>> susceptibility. >>> — >>> Larry >>> Rather than building character, adversity tends to reveal it >>> written using voice recognition software

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I’m not surprised that genetic succeptibility has been found a possibility… my grandfather had MS, now me. I don’t believe that isn’t a factor. Jeff — MSInformation: Busting Myths and Bringing Hope. Free monthly electronic newsletter. Subscribe at: http://www.m-sinfo.org/newslettersubscribe.html Also a website with a discussion board. http://www.m-sinfo.org

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well, I’m the only one in my family with anythign like this. The only thing my family tends to get is cancer (my dads side of the family) and heart problems (moms side). No one has any diseases whatsoever. So while genetics surely play some sort of role, I don’t think you can count it as a big role. Jen "Jeff Boman" <cr…@bigfootz.com

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I’m not surprised that genetic succeptibility has been found a possibility… my grandfather had MS, now me. I don’t believe that isn’t a factor. Jeff — MSInformation: Busting Myths and Bringing Hope. Free monthly electronic newsletter. Subscribe at: http://www.m-sinfo.org/newslettersubscribe.html Also a website with a discussion board. http://www.m-sinfo.org

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Jennifer wrote:

well, I’m the only one in my family with anythign like this. The only

thing

my family tends to get is cancer (my dads side of the family) and

heart

problems (moms side). No one has any diseases whatsoever. So while

genetics

surely play some sort of role, I don’t think you can count it as a

big role. same here, jen. absolutely nothing auto-immune OR neuro-degenerative. my oldest sis was dx’d with rheumatoid arthritis, but she was over 50, and had not been dx’d when i got my M.S. diagnosis. something my gynecologist said to me not long ago — when my ma was pregnant, she took a substance called DES, an anti-miscarriage agent. the docs didn’t find out till years later that the babies born to women who took DES had lots of problems. then they figured it would all stop with those people — they originally thought it only affected female children too, thus the term ‘DES daughters.’ come to find out now that tam is of child-bearing age, it did NOT stop with the ‘DES Daughters’ — the ‘DES sons’ also had changes, and it continued with our kids — now they talk about ‘DES grand-daughters.’ anway, this stuff apparently does somethig that actually tweaks your DNA, which is why the problems continue thru the generations. the OB/GYN likened it to my being diagnosed with M.S. — nobody in the family ever had it, but once it shows up in the family, everyone else’s risk is increased. he said  i had a very tiny chance of getting breast cancer — logically, it should not happen — but logically, i should not have gotten M.S. either. i have n oidea if the genetic changes caused by the DES played any part whatsoever in the M.S. thing, but i remember what the doc said — maybe nobody in your family, going back generations, has ever had problem X, Y, or Z, but the first time it shows up in anyone, bingo-bango, you’ve got genetic susceptibility right there. the folks in my family tend to get ‘lifestyle diseases’ — heart attacks and such mainly. i’ve never had the problems everyone else in my family has, instead i get something nobody else gets! my parents, grandparents, sisters, everyone hsa high BP, high cholesterol, all that, and i’ve got none of it. i don’t have a clue why — i haven’t lived a healthier lifestyle than the rest; i’ve had periods of heavy drinking, cigarette smoking, and poor diet, but my BP has been 110/70 for the last decade [it was lower than that prior], my total cholesterol is double-digit, my heart and lungs are fine — i’ve just got this damn disease that popped up out of nowhere! LOL, at least i’ve got a strong constitution, i guess — must have, or i’d have the stress/booze/fried food problems that the rest of the family has. for folks who do have relatives who also have M.S., I’m sure the connection looks much stronger. for those of us who are ‘the first in the family,’ it can be confusing. the longer i live with M.S., the more i lean toward the different sub-types/ different causes/different treatments hypothesis. no scientific knowledge, just thinking about how different the disease courses are and my own personal experience. rose

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I was under the impression that according to the UBC results, if your DNA had one of 60 variations of gene combinations, you were more likely to be able to get the disease compared to people without those genes combinations. — Larry Rather than building character, adversity tends to reveal it written using voice recognition software "Jeff Boman" <cr…@bigfootz.com

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I’m not surprised that genetic succeptibility has been found a possibility… my grandfather had MS, now me. I don’t believe that isn’t a factor. Jeff — MSInformation: Busting Myths and Bringing Hope. Free monthly electronic newsletter. Subscribe at: http://www.m-sinfo.org/newslettersubscribe.html Also a website with a discussion board. http://www.m-sinfo.org

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I was under the impression that according to the UBC results, if your DNA had one of 60 variations of gene combinations, you were more likely to be able to get the disease compared to people without those genes combinations.

I wonder then if my family has that genetic combination… at least my immediate fanily from my grandfather on. Jeff — MSInformation: Busting Myths and Bringing Hope. Free monthly electronic newsletter. Subscribe at: http://www.m-sinfo.org/newslettersubscribe.html Also a website with a discussion board. http://www.m-sinfo.org

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Thanks for this sad confirmation. Most people in our family has some sort of auto immune disease too. Obviously its not the government job to find the gene that causes it. — Quaecomque sunt vera —- "white.lynx" <white.l…@shaw.ca

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I remember everyone in my family including myself (about five years before I develop my first MS symptom) volunteering a sample our blood for this study when my older brother was diagnosed with MS. I like the term genetic susceptibility because I had no idea how to properly pronounce that, while it is not hereditary, it is familial in nature.  This is also from the same web site of the Canadian MS Society It would probably be about 15 years now since I first heard of this researcher at the University of British Columbia, Vancouver — Canada —   Dr. Dessa Sadovnick, http://www.mssociety.ca/en/research/medmmo-hepatitisB-sep04.htm Genetic susceptibility The Canadian Study of Genetic Susceptibility in MS led by Dr. George Ebers, Oxford University, and Dr. Dessa Sadovnick, University of British Columbia, has shown conclusively that genes are an important factor in the development of MS. The Canadian study is recognized as being the largest and most comprehensive study of its kind in the world. The first three phases of this study, entirely funded by the MS Scientific Research Foundation, have contributed enormously to scientists’ understanding of MS and are enabling researchers to tackle totally new areas such as environmental factors linked with genetic susceptibility. — Larry Rather than building character, adversity tends to reveal it written using voice recognition software

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I remember everyone in my family including myself (about five years before I develop my first MS symptom) volunteering a sample our blood for this study when my older brother was diagnosed with MS. I like the term genetic susceptibility because I had no idea how to properly pronounce that, while it is not hereditary, it is familial in nature.  This is also from the same web site of the Canadian MS Society It would probably be about 15 years now since I first heard of this researcher at the University of British Columbia, Vancouver — Canada — Dr. Dessa Sadovnick,

Thanks for keeping watch over their site, Larry. I’ve met Dr. Sadovnick, and my parents and I (mum has MS and dad has some sort of autoimmune porphyria) have been volunteer donors for her studies for a decade now (still haven’t convinced my little bro to donate yet.  <grrr

)

I wasn’t aware until just now that she’d actually concluded any of the several avenues of inquiry involved in this research. I’d like to see – now that she’s determined there *is* a genetic factor, what comes of the search for what genes (or combination of genes) are involved. I know a molecular biologist at UBC doing cancer research, and she’s been rather nice about decoding some of the genetics/cell-signaling language for me.  With her help, I could probably make some sense of Dr. Sadovnick’s papers and their abstracts. ((U))   M – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

http://www.mssociety.ca/en/research/medmmo-hepatitisB-sep04.htm Genetic susceptibility The Canadian Study of Genetic Susceptibility in MS led by Dr. George Ebers, Oxford University, and Dr. Dessa Sadovnick, University of British Columbia, has shown conclusively that genes are an important factor in the development of MS. The Canadian study is recognized as being the largest and most comprehensive study of its kind in the world. The first three phases of this study, entirely funded by the MS Scientific Research Foundation, have contributed enormously to scientists’ understanding of MS and are enabling researchers to tackle totally new areas such as environmental factors linked with genetic susceptibility.

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I remember everyone in my family including myself (about five years before I develop my first MS symptom) volunteering a sample our blood for this study when my older brother was diagnosed with MS. I like the term genetic susceptibility because I had no idea how to properly pronounce that, while it is not hereditary, it is familial in nature.  This is also from the same web site of the Canadian MS Society It would probably be about 15 years now since I first heard of this researcher at the University of British Columbia, Vancouver — Canada — Dr. Dessa Sadovnick, http://www.mssociety.ca/en/research/medmmo-hepatitisB-sep04.htm Genetic susceptibility The Canadian Study of Genetic Susceptibility in MS led by Dr. George Ebers, Oxford University, and Dr. Dessa Sadovnick, University of British Columbia, has shown conclusively that genes are an important factor in the development of MS. The Canadian study is recognized as being the largest and most comprehensive study of its kind in the world. The first three phases of this study, entirely funded by the MS Scientific Research Foundation, have contributed enormously to scientists

I signed up on the feline asthma yahoo group and today received an OT email for a site that sells a Crazy Cat Lady Action Figure with extra cats.  I just had to share with you all. http://www.mcphee.com/amusements/current/11377.html Julie <gone to catch up on my email sending purrs as needed and will be

back That is hilarious!  ’Cept I don’t think she has enough cats! I always wanted to grow up to be a crazy cat lady. -L.

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That is hilarious!  ’Cept I don’t think she has enough cats! I always wanted to grow up to be a crazy cat lady. -L.

I showed Vernon who said… "Why darling, it’s you!" And he wants to know what I’ve done with the royalties from when I modelled… Harumph! He is now on restricted pleasures for at leat a month Cheers, helen s –This is an invalid email address — to get correct one remove $ and * www.ccbreckland.org.uk –Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off–

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I think we’ve had that kind of thing around where I live. Used to be a lady in the apartments near me that kept feeding the wild cats. And once in awhile, I do hear of a crazy cat lady for real. — Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus      www.lds.org      www.mormons.com

I signed up on the feline asthma yahoo group and today received an OT email for a site that sells a Crazy Cat Lady Action Figure with extra cats.  I just had to share with you all. http://www.mcphee.com/amusements/current/11377.html Julie <gone to catch up on my email sending purrs as needed and will be back

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If it can be a person with a crazy cat, rather than a person crazy about cats plural.

I’ve never had a cat that =wasn’t= crazy in one way or another.  The present one, Mindy, chases her tail like a dog, except that she’s able to catch it. And then she beats up on it.  Crazy cat. — Steve (Mindy’s daddy)

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I signed up on the feline asthma yahoo group and today received an OT email for a site that sells a Crazy Cat Lady Action Figure with extra cats.  I just had to share with you all. http://www.mcphee.com/amusements/current/11377.html

That’s the one Ginger-lyn has, isn’t it? — Marina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

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I signed up on the feline asthma yahoo group and today received an OT email for a site that sells a Crazy Cat Lady Action Figure with extra cats.  I just had to share with you all. http://www.mcphee.com/amusements/current/11377.html Julie <gone to catch up on my email sending purrs as needed and will be back

Heh, I qualify as a Crazy Cat Person.=o)  In the past two months, I have DEFINITELY spent more on vet bills than I have on my own doctor bills. <G I may not have six cats, but I’m half way there with three. (BUt I think I’ll stop there, thanks.) Melissa

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On 2005-01-23, Melissa Houle penned: Heh, I qualify as a Crazy Cat Person.=o)  In the past two months, I have DEFINITELY spent more on vet bills than I have on my own doctor bills. <G I may not have six cats, but I’m half way there with three. (BUt I think I’ll stop there, thanks.)

If you can say "I think I’ll stop there," you probably aren’t a crazy cat lady =P — monique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch Eros was adopted!  Eros has a home now!  *cheer!*

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I signed up on the feline asthma yahoo group and today received an OT email for a site that sells a Crazy Cat Lady Action Figure with extra cats.  I just had to share with you all. http://www.mcphee.com/amusements/current/11377.html That’s the one Ginger-lyn has, isn’t it? — Marina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

Yep.  Julie, are you and I twins??? Ginger-lyn

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I dont know I only have one cat but my neighbours still think I’ma crazy cat person becaus I treat them as babies and stop to pet all other cats that I see I can’t pass one by    Jean.P.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I signed up on the feline asthma yahoo group and today received an OT email for a site that sells a Crazy Cat Lady Action Figure with extra cats.  I just had to share with you all. http://www.mcphee.com/amusements/current/11377.html That’s the one Ginger-lyn has, isn’t it? — Marina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

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I signed up on the feline asthma yahoo group and today received an OT email for a site that sells a Crazy Cat Lady Action Figure with extra cats.  I just had to share with you all. http://www.mcphee.com/amusements/current/11377.html Julie <gone to catch up on my email sending purrs as needed and will be back

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I signed up on the feline asthma yahoo group and today received an OT email for a site that sells a Crazy Cat Lady Action Figure with extra cats.  I just had to share with you all. http://www.mcphee.com/amusements/current/11377.html Julie <gone to catch up on my email sending purrs as needed and will be back

Took the quiz, I’m a crazy cat lady.

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Took the quiz, I’m a crazy cat lady.

What’s the minimum number of cats required to be a crazy cat person?  I don’t think my wife and I qualify with just one. — Steve (Mindy’s daddy)

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I JUST saw this last night. Someone had bought one for a person at the shelter, as a joke, and it (still in the package) was attached to the bulletin board. I took a pic of it with my camera phone but have to send it to myself so I can put it online. LOL! Donna

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Took the quiz, I’m a crazy cat lady. What’s the minimum number of cats required to be a crazy cat person?  I don’t think my wife and I qualify with just one.

If it can be a person with a crazy cat, rather than a person crazy about cats plural…

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I’m so glad he’s home and doing reasonably okay.  It can take some work to deal with asthmatic cats (I have two), but when it’s under control, they can do very well. Julie <—who’s going to join Ginger-lyn in the stop smoking campaign since I’m no longer allowed to smoke in the house. *banging head against wall*  I blew it.  *banging head against wall* I blew it.  Sigh.  Now to start all over again. . . .

I keep telling myself that this too shall pass and we’ll get through it and beyond before I know it.  I think I have to get my mind past the sight of him on Saturday night, barely breathing and the knowledge that he could have so easily died.  I’m still counting his breath and watching him closely.  I took him to the vet for daycare today but tomorrow he’ll stay at home.  He’s having fewer episode of coughing and is recovering from each one more quickly than the one before.  I have to keep reminding myself its only been 3 days (seems like a month) and it will take time for him to heal.  We start the steroid inhalants tomorrow evening.  This should be interesting.  He’s well enough now that he’s fighting me when I try to give him medication…I suppose this is a good sign.  The information the vet gave me mentioned that he could never again go outside and I had to keep windows and doors closed all the time.  But I keep thinking about Nikki who goes on walkies with Marina and spends the summer at the island.  I’m hoping that once we get the infection cleared up and the steroids in his system that we can relax more and learn to live with his illness with a little more ease than I have right now.  Its good to know there are people here that I can turn to for advice, however. Purrs for your poor headache (grin…it must hurt by now with all that banging).  I understand completely. Julie

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<some snipping   The information the vet gave me mentioned that he could never again go outside and I had to keep windows and doors closed all the time.  But I keep thinking about Nikki who goes on walkies with Marina and spends the summer at the island.  I’m hoping that once we get the infection cleared up and the steroids in his system that we can relax more and learn to live with his illness with a little more ease than I have right now.  Its good to know there are people here that I can turn to for advice, however.

I don’t understand that not going out thing. Is the vet afraid he might have allergic reactions to something or why is he supposed to stay inside? I mus admit, Nikki’s asthma is nothing close to what Sam has been experiencing. She just has these fits of coughing, but no real shortness of breath, and she recovers from the coughing fits quickly. She sometimes wheezes when she breathes, but it doesn’t seem to bother her at all. She gets the zoomies just like a kitten, and doesn’t seem to get short of breath even after ten laps around the house. I’ve read that there have been very good results with acupuncture for cats with asthma. The effect of one treatment may last up to six months. I’ve been thinking of it for Nikki, but she seems to be doing pretty well on just the Prednisone, so I’ll see about that if she gets worse. We will continue our purrs for Sam and hope the medication will make him feel better. Poor little guy, he’s had a tough life. What a lucky little cat to have such excellent slaves as you and Rusty now! — Marina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

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<snip Thank you all, again and again, for the purrs.  Hopefully we’re out of the scary forest now and in sight of the clearing.

Still purring. Julie <—who’s going to join Ginger-lyn in the stop smoking campaign since I’m no longer allowed to smoke in the house.

Good luck with the smoking, with the money you’ll save you can buy lots of cat treats. — Adrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat.

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Thank you all, again and again, for the purrs.  Hopefully we’re out of the scary forest now and in sight of the clearing.

We’ll keep purring. Julie <—who’s going to join Ginger-lyn in the stop smoking campaign since I’m no longer allowed to smoke in the house.

Good for you! And you can use the savings to pay for Sam’s medications. — Victor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM)

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I took left the house this morning around 6:30 am, stopped at a 24 hour pharmacy and picked up the Zithromax and Albuterol and at 7:30 I was signing Sam out of the hospital.  We stopped by our regular vet who incidentally were waiting for us.  They open at 8 am, I got there at 8:05 am, they had already received faxed copies of Sam’s medical report from the emergency clinic.  I’m very impressed with the emergency clinic.  My vet checked Sam over and gave me a lot of literature on feline asthma and a prescription for Flovent which is an inhaled steroid. She also had the feline mask I need to use with Sam.

Such good news!!  Continued purrs for Sam to overcome all that ails him. Jill

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I took left the house this morning around 6:30 am, stopped at a 24 hour pharmacy and picked up the Zithromax and Albuterol and at 7:30 I was signing Sam out of the hospital.  We stopped by our regular vet who incidentally were waiting for us.  They open at 8 am, I got there at 8:05 am, they had already received faxed copies of Sam’s medical report from the emergency clinic.  I’m very impressed with the emergency clinic.  My vet checked Sam over and gave me a lot of literature on feline asthma and a prescription for Flovent which is an inhaled steroid. She also had the feline mask I need to use with Sam. Sam was being given Brethine which is Terbutaline.  He will continue with this by oral dosage every 8 – 12 hours as needed for coughing and breathing troubles.  As long as he’s taking the Brethine he can’t be given the Albuterol but then the Albuterol is only for emergency uses anyway and I’m hoping I won’t need to use it. We got home around 9:15.  I mentioned that Sam had some trouble with constipation this weekend as well.  He hadn’t had a bowel movement and they’ve been giving him Lactulose which I was given as well to give him until his stools softened.  Well…seems he just didn’t like going in a strange box. The first thing he did was had a snack and 30 seconds later he had a very satisfying BM.  Satisfying for him. Unfortunately he scratched the curtain that was hanging near the litterbox into the box with him and used it for toilet paper I believe.  Oh well, another small sacrifice for my buddy. He wandered around for about an hour and then we all went to the bedroom for a nap.  It is strangely hypnotic counting a cat’s breath.  He woke me up with a coughing episode around noon and I thought we were going to have to head for the vet again, but he’s settled down and his breathing is about 27 breaths per minute.  He’s very soundly sleeping and doesn’t appear to be in any distress.  Its time for a Brethine tab and I think for my peace of mind I’m going to give it to him even though he doesn’t appear to need it.  I’d hate for him to suddenly need oral medication that takes about 30 minutes to work. I think tomorrow I’m going to let him spend the day with the vet just to make sure we’re in the clear and after that, if she agrees, he can stay home. Thank you all, again and again, for the purrs.  Hopefully we’re out of the scary forest now and in sight of the clearing. Julie <—who’s going to join Ginger-lyn in the stop smoking campaign since I’m no longer allowed to smoke in the house.

I guess!! But looking at Sam will really help you I bet. Poor baby. Will continue purrs for major fast and LASTING recuperation. You realize he probably would be dead by now if you had not taken him in. Please send updates.

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I took left the house this morning around 6:30 am, stopped at a 24 hour pharmacy and picked up the Zithromax and Albuterol and at 7:30 I was signing Sam out of the hospital.

Blessings and purrs for the little fella.  Zithromax is powerful stuff.  I had to take acidophilus when I was taking it so it didn’t wipe out all the beneficial bacteria. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

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I think tomorrow I’m going to let him spend the day with the vet just to make sure we’re in the clear and after that, if she agrees, he can stay home. Thank you all, again and again, for the purrs.  Hopefully we’re out of the scary forest now and in sight of the clearing. Julie <—who’s going to join Ginger-lyn in the stop smoking campaign since I’m no longer allowed to smoke in the house.

Purrs for Sam to continue to feel better, and for you to be able to stop smoking.  Sometimes I feel guilty because I won’t let anyone smoke inside the house.  Then I think of the down sides of smoking and how it would make me want to start up again if I had to smell it all the time, and I don’t regret my decision a bit. Pam S.

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I am so, so, so pleased at this news.  I hope so much that his meds and inhaler will make him well again. I had to smile at how pleased you were that he pooed.  When I was nursing very ill dogs I remember how pleased I was when anything came out, liquid or solid, proving that the food and water was going through. However, I couldn’t go to work and say (shouting)  "YAY.  MY POORLY DOG POOED A GOOD FIRM POO"  which I felt like doing. They’d have all thought I was crazy. How nice to find a group that appreciates the importance to our ill furry kids of what comes out the other end and rejoices with us. Purrs for good poo and wee Tweed

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I took left the house this morning around 6:30 am, stopped at a 24 hour pharmacy and picked up the Zithromax and Albuterol and at 7:30 I was signing Sam out of the hospital.  We stopped by our regular vet who incidentally were waiting for us.  They open at 8 am, I got there at 8:05 am, they had already received faxed copies of Sam’s medical report from the emergency clinic.  I’m very impressed with the emergency clinic.  My vet checked Sam over and gave me a lot of literature on feline asthma and a prescription for Flovent which is an inhaled steroid. She also had the feline mask I need to use with Sam. Sam was being given Brethine which is Terbutaline.  He will continue with this by oral dosage every 8 – 12 hours as needed for coughing and breathing troubles.  As long as he’s taking the Brethine he can’t be given the Albuterol but then the Albuterol is only for emergency uses anyway and I’m hoping I won’t need to use it. We got home around 9:15.  I mentioned that Sam had some trouble with constipation this weekend as well.  He hadn’t had a bowel movement and they’ve been giving him Lactulose which I was given as well to give him until his stools softened.  Well…seems he just didn’t like going in a strange box. The first thing he did was had a snack and 30 seconds later he had a very satisfying BM.  Satisfying for him. Unfortunately he scratched the curtain that was hanging near the litterbox into the box with him and used it for toilet paper I believe.  Oh well, another small sacrifice for my buddy. He wandered around for about an hour and then we all went to the bedroom for a nap.  It is strangely hypnotic counting a cat’s breath.  He woke me up with a coughing episode around noon and I thought we were going to have to head for the vet again, but he’s settled down and his breathing is about 27 breaths per minute.  He’s very soundly sleeping and doesn’t appear to be in any distress.  Its time for a Brethine tab and I think for my peace of mind I’m going to give it to him even though he doesn’t appear to need it.  I’d hate for him to suddenly need oral medication that takes about 30 minutes to work. I think tomorrow I’m going to let him spend the day with the vet just to make sure we’re in the clear and after that, if she agrees, he can stay home. Thank you all, again and again, for the purrs.  Hopefully we’re out of the scary forest now and in sight of the clearing. Julie <—who’s going to join Ginger-lyn in the stop smoking campaign since I’m no longer allowed to smoke in the house.

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Julie, I’m so sorry I’m late getting purrs to you.  RL has been keeping me away and I didn’t see your posts about Sam. My four are purring like crazy that Sam is out of danger now and on the road to recover. Hugs, CatNipped

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I took left the house this morning around 6:30 am, stopped at a 24 hour pharmacy and picked up the Zithromax and Albuterol and at 7:30 I was signing Sam out of the hospital.  We stopped by our regular vet who incidentally were waiting for us.  They open at 8 am, I got there at 8:05 am, they had already received faxed copies of Sam’s medical report from the emergency clinic.  I’m very impressed with the emergency clinic.  My vet checked Sam over and gave me a lot of literature on feline asthma and a prescription for Flovent which is an inhaled steroid. She also had the feline mask I need to use with Sam. Sam was being given Brethine which is Terbutaline.  He will continue with this by oral dosage every 8 – 12 hours as needed for coughing and breathing troubles.  As long as he’s taking the Brethine he can’t be given the Albuterol but then the Albuterol is only for emergency uses anyway and I’m hoping I won’t need to use it. We got home around 9:15.  I mentioned that Sam had some trouble with constipation this weekend as well.  He hadn’t had a bowel movement and they’ve been giving him Lactulose which I was given as well to give him until his stools softened.  Well…seems he just didn’t like going in a strange box. The first thing he did was had a snack and 30 seconds later he had a very satisfying BM.  Satisfying for him. Unfortunately he scratched the curtain that was hanging near the litterbox into the box with him and used it for toilet paper I believe.  Oh well, another small sacrifice for my buddy. He wandered around for about an hour and then we all went to the bedroom for a nap.  It is strangely hypnotic counting a cat’s breath.  He woke me up with a coughing episode around noon and I thought we were going to have to head for the vet again, but he’s settled down and his breathing is about 27 breaths per minute.  He’s very soundly sleeping and doesn’t appear to be in any distress.  Its time for a Brethine tab and I think for my peace of mind I’m going to give it to him even though he doesn’t appear to need it.  I’d hate for him to suddenly need oral medication that takes about 30 minutes to work. I think tomorrow I’m going to let him spend the day with the vet just to make sure we’re in the clear and after that, if she agrees, he can stay home. Thank you all, again and again, for the purrs.  Hopefully we’re out of the scary forest now and in sight of the clearing. Julie <—who’s going to join Ginger-lyn in the stop smoking campaign since I’m no longer allowed to smoke in the house.

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Sounds like Sam is getting the equivalent of first-rate human respirator care!  I’m glad to hear it.

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Very good to hear your update, Julie — purrs continuing for Sam. Christine

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I took left the house this morning around 6:30 am, stopped at a 24 hour pharmacy and picked up the Zithromax and Albuterol and at 7:30 I was signing Sam out of the hospital.  We stopped by our regular vet who incidentally were waiting for us.  They open at 8 am, I got there at 8:05 am, they had already received faxed copies of Sam’s medical report from the emergency clinic.  I’m very impressed with the emergency clinic.  My vet checked Sam over and gave me a lot of literature on feline asthma and a prescription for Flovent which is an inhaled steroid. She also had the feline mask I need to use with Sam. Sam was being given Brethine which is Terbutaline.  He will continue with this by oral dosage every 8 – 12 hours as needed for coughing and breathing troubles.  As long as he’s taking the Brethine he can’t be given the Albuterol but then the Albuterol is only for emergency uses anyway and I’m hoping I won’t need to use it. We got home around 9:15.  I mentioned that Sam had some trouble with constipation this weekend as well.  He hadn’t had a bowel movement and they’ve been giving him Lactulose which I was given as well to give him until his stools softened.  Well…seems he just didn’t like going in a strange box. The first thing he did was had a snack and 30 seconds later he had a very satisfying BM.  Satisfying for him. Unfortunately he scratched the curtain that was hanging near the litterbox into the box with him and used it for toilet paper I believe.  Oh well, another small sacrifice for my buddy. He wandered around for about an hour and then we all went to the bedroom for a nap.  It is strangely hypnotic counting a cat’s breath.  He woke me up with a coughing episode around noon and I thought we were going to have to head for the vet again, but he’s settled down and his breathing is about 27 breaths per minute.  He’s very soundly sleeping and doesn’t appear to be in any distress.  Its time for a Brethine tab and I think for my peace of mind I’m going to give it to him even though he doesn’t appear to need it.  I’d hate for him to suddenly need oral medication that takes about 30 minutes to work. I think tomorrow I’m going to let him spend the day with the vet just to make sure we’re in the clear and after that, if she agrees, he can stay home. Thank you all, again and again, for the purrs.  Hopefully we’re out of the scary forest now and in sight of the clearing. Julie <—who’s going to join Ginger-lyn in the stop smoking campaign since I’m no longer allowed to smoke in the house.

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Purrs continuing from one Sam to another. Sam

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Thank you all, again and again, for the purrs.  Hopefully we’re out of the scary forest now and in sight of the clearing.

I’m so glad to hear he’s doing better.  Purrs continuing for a full recovery. Julie <—who’s going to join Ginger-lyn in the stop smoking campaign since I’m no longer allowed to smoke in the house.

That’s wonderful.  It would be nice if you could quit for good.  Then something good for everyone would have come of this stressful episode. Good luck! — Britta Sandpaper kisses, a cuddle and a purr. I have an alarm clock that’s covered in fur! Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album

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(big snip) Thank you all, again and again, for the purrs.  Hopefully we’re out of the scary forest now and in sight of the clearing. Julie <—who’s going to join Ginger-lyn in the stop smoking campaign since I’m no longer allowed to smoke in the house.

We’re still sending out purrs for your Sam, hoping that the meds will have his problem completely solved. DH and I go outside to smoke because of the kitties too.  Good luck with the quitting!   —— Krista

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Continued purrs and best wishes for Sam to recover completely and hugs and best wishes for you to stop smoking, Julie, — Polonca & Soncek

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Glad to hear Little Sammy is doing much better. Jazz & his mama — Irulan from the stars we come to the stars we return from now until the end of time

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I took left the house this morning around 6:30 am, stopped at a 24 hour pharmacy and picked up the Zithromax and Albuterol and at 7:30 I was signing Sam out of the hospital.  We stopped by our regular vet who incidentally were waiting for us.  They open at 8 am, I got there at 8:05 am, they had already received faxed copies of Sam’s medical report from the emergency clinic.  I’m very impressed with the emergency clinic.  My vet checked Sam over and gave me a lot of literature on feline asthma and a prescription for Flovent which is an inhaled steroid. She also had the feline mask I need to use with Sam. Sam was being given Brethine which is Terbutaline.  He will continue with this by oral dosage every 8 – 12 hours as needed for coughing and breathing troubles.  As long as he’s taking the Brethine he can’t be given the Albuterol but then the Albuterol is only for emergency uses anyway and I’m hoping I won’t need to use it. We got home around 9:15.  I mentioned that Sam had some trouble with constipation this weekend as well.  He hadn’t had a bowel movement and they’ve been giving him Lactulose which I was given as well to give him until his stools softened.  Well…seems he just didn’t like going in a strange box. The first thing he did was had a snack and 30 seconds later he had a very satisfying BM.  Satisfying for him. Unfortunately he scratched the curtain that was hanging near the litterbox into the box with him and used it for toilet paper I believe.  Oh well, another small sacrifice for my buddy. He wandered around for about an hour and then we all went to the bedroom for a nap.  It is strangely hypnotic counting a cat’s breath.  He woke me up with a coughing episode around noon and I thought we were going to have to head for the vet again, but he’s settled down and his breathing is about 27 breaths per minute.  He’s very soundly sleeping and doesn’t appear to be in any distress.  Its time for a Brethine tab and I think for my peace of mind I’m going to give it to him even though he doesn’t appear to need it.  I’d hate for him to suddenly need oral medication that takes about 30 minutes to work. I think tomorrow I’m going to let him spend the day with the vet just to make sure we’re in the clear and after that, if she agrees, he can stay home. Thank you all, again and again, for the purrs.  Hopefully we’re out of the scary forest now and in sight of the clearing. Julie <—who’s going to join Ginger-lyn in the stop smoking campaign since I’m no longer allowed to smoke in the house.

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I think tomorrow I’m going to let him spend the day with the vet just to make sure we’re in the clear and after that, if she agrees, he can stay home. Thank you all, again and again, for the purrs.  Hopefully we’re out of the scary forest now and in sight of the clearing.

I haven’t expressed purrs for poor little Sam yet, but, of course, we’re purring for him here just as hard as we can. Regards and Purrs, O J

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I took left the house this morning around 6:30 am, stopped at a 24 hour pharmacy and picked up the Zithromax and Albuterol and at 7:30 I was signing Sam out of the hospital.  We stopped by our regular vet who incidentally were waiting for us.  They open at 8 am, I got there at 8:05 am, they had already received faxed copies of Sam’s medical report from the emergency clinic.  I’m very impressed with the emergency clinic.  My vet checked Sam over and gave me a lot of literature on feline asthma and a prescription for Flovent which is an inhaled steroid. She also had the feline mask I need to use with Sam. Sam was being given Brethine which is Terbutaline.  He will continue with this by oral dosage every 8 – 12 hours as needed for coughing and breathing troubles.  As long as he’s taking the Brethine he can’t be given the Albuterol but then the Albuterol is only for emergency uses anyway and I’m hoping I won’t need to use it. We got home around 9:15.  I mentioned that Sam had some trouble with constipation this weekend as well.  He hadn’t had a bowel movement and they’ve been giving him Lactulose which I was given as well to give him until his stools softened.  Well…seems he just didn’t like going in a strange box. The first thing he did was had a snack and 30 seconds later he had a very satisfying BM.  Satisfying for him. Unfortunately he scratched the curtain that was hanging near the litterbox into the box with him and used it for toilet paper I believe.  Oh well, another small sacrifice for my buddy. He wandered around for about an hour and then we all went to the bedroom for a nap.  It is strangely hypnotic counting a cat’s breath.  He woke me up with a coughing episode around noon and I thought we were going to have to head for the vet again, but he’s settled down and his breathing is about 27 breaths per minute.  He’s very soundly sleeping and doesn’t appear to be in any distress.  Its time for a Brethine tab and I think for my peace of mind I’m going to give it to him even though he doesn’t appear to need it.  I’d hate for him to suddenly need oral medication that takes about 30 minutes to work. I think tomorrow I’m going to let him spend the day with the vet just to make sure we’re in the clear and after that, if she agrees, he can stay home. Thank you all, again and again, for the purrs.  Hopefully we’re out of the scary forest now and in sight of the clearing.

I’m so glad he’s home and doing reasonably okay.  It can take some work to deal with asthmatic cats (I have two), but when it’s under control, they can do very well. Julie <—who’s going to join Ginger-lyn in the stop smoking campaign since I’m no longer allowed to smoke in the house.

*banging head against wall*  I blew it.  *banging head against wall* I blew it.  Sigh.  Now to start all over again. . . .

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I took left the house this morning around 6:30 am, stopped at a 24 hour pharmacy and picked up the Zithromax and Albuterol and at 7:30 I was signing Sam out of the hospital.  We stopped by our regular vet who incidentally were waiting for us.  They open at 8 am, I got there at 8:05 am, they had already received faxed copies of Sam’s medical report from the emergency clinic.  I’m very impressed with the emergency clinic.  My vet checked Sam over and gave me a lot of literature on feline asthma and a prescription for Flovent which is an inhaled steroid. She also had the feline mask I need to use with Sam. Sam was being given Brethine which is Terbutaline.  He will continue with this by oral dosage every 8 – 12 hours as needed for coughing and breathing troubles.  As long as he’s taking the Brethine he can’t be given the Albuterol but then the Albuterol is only for emergency uses anyway and I’m hoping I won’t need to use it. We got home around 9:15.  I mentioned that Sam had some trouble with constipation this weekend as well.  He hadn’t had a bowel movement and they’ve been giving him Lactulose which I was given as well to give him until his stools softened.  Well…seems he just didn’t like going in a strange box. The first thing he did was had a snack and 30 seconds later he had a very satisfying BM.  Satisfying for him. Unfortunately he scratched the curtain that was hanging near the litterbox into the box with him and used it for toilet paper I believe.  Oh well, another small sacrifice for my buddy. He wandered around for about an hour and then we all went to the bedroom for a nap.  It is strangely hypnotic counting a cat’s breath.  He woke me up with a coughing episode around noon and I thought we were going to have to head for the vet again, but he’s settled down and his breathing is about 27 breaths per minute.  He’s very soundly sleeping and doesn’t appear to be in any distress.  Its time for a Brethine tab and I think for my peace of mind I’m going to give it to him even though he doesn’t appear to need it.  I’d hate for him to suddenly need oral medication that takes about 30 minutes to work. I think tomorrow I’m going to let him spend the day with the vet just to make sure we’re in the clear and after that, if she agrees, he can stay home. Thank you all, again and again, for the purrs.  Hopefully we’re out of the scary forest now and in sight of the clearing. Julie <—who’s going to join Ginger-lyn in the stop smoking campaign since I’m no longer allowed to smoke in the house.

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I have experienced acute attacks which have caused me to miss many important extended family events as well as religious events …and the problem is?

This looks like the beginning of a post that I might of started.  I have certainly had this problem over the years.  For the record I have chron’s disease.  Just before the event I would develop severe pain, or the big "D", or just be too exhausted to attend the event. I have traveled 350 miles to a wedding and the next morning I could not get up to go to the actual ceremony.  Later in the day I would be able to make it to the reception. Paul

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  I have experienced acute attacks which have caused me to miss many important extended family events as well as religious events

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I know this is a late post but the point is…. Definition of "extended family events" – a most painful event in which one must endure incessant ramblings of insipid individuals only related by marriage who you would not otherwise choose to associate with. Definition of Religious events – worse then "extended family events". Dont’ get me wrong, I’m not an atheist or anything. I just think religion is like golf. As the saying goes – golf is a great way to screw up a nice walk. And religion is a great way to screw up one’s spirituality. So face the facts. Your symptoms are psyco-somatic. I would give anything to come up with a good excuse to avoid those stupid family events. Unfortunately I can’t quite seem to get my UC to act up when I really need it. But you have succeeded where I have failed. I salute you! I recommend watching Annie Hall, there’s a good scene that exemplifies this very well, in case you don’t quite catch my drift. Anyway, once you face the fact that you really hate these events you will feel much better about yourself. regards, Jeff

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have experienced acute attacks which have caused me to miss many important extended family events as well as religious events …and the problem is? This looks like the beginning of a post that I might of started.  I have certainly had this problem over the years.  For the record I have chron’s disease.  Just before the event I would develop severe pain, or the big "D", or just be too exhausted to attend the event. I have traveled 350 miles to a wedding and the next morning I could not get up to go to the actual ceremony.  Later in the day I would be able to make it to the reception. Paul

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I have experienced acute attacks which have caused me to miss many important extended family events as well as religious events …and the problem is?

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I know just what you mean about events that are exciting just wear you out thinking about them/getting ready. Your whole body and nervous system are connected. My father had horrible bleeding ulcers and they would act up over happy or unhappy events. He was told all his life "it’s all in your mind". The poor dear. His life was not easy. Come to find out, it’s a parasite called H. Pylori that couses ulcers. A germ. A bug. I think ALOT of intestine problems will be discovered that it’s germs of some sort.

I am glad to know that I am not crazy,  just a chronie. Paul

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If there is nothing special coming up I seem to do not too badly but as special events approach, my body gives out on me. Am I going crazy or do others experience similar behaviours?

You’re not crazy, but you’ve fallen into a vicious circle: anxiety about an upcoming event triggers the symptom that you’re anxious about, which increases the anxiety…etc. You should talk this over with your doc and start some anti-anxiety meds. You may have to take them only temporarily, until you extinguish that vicious circle. A similar thing happened to me several years ago. Wayne Marsh       Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA

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I know just what you mean about events that are exciting just wear you out thinking about them/getting ready. Your whole body and nervous system are connected. My father had horrible bleeding ulcers and they would act up over happy or unhappy events. He was told all his life "it’s all in your mind". The poor dear. His life was not easy. Come to find out, it’s a parasite called H. Pylori that couses ulcers. A germ. A bug. I think ALOT of intestine problems will be discovered that it’s germs of some sort.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is it possible that the stress of thinking about, and mentally preparing for (and now worrying about what might happen) before these "events" is triggering something" And PS I learned PL/I from Professor Conway – at Cornell Univ.  He and another guy, Gries I think, wrote PL/I for IBM. ===== I seem to exhibit a strange set of behaviours.  I have Chrons which is relatively well controlled unless I want to do something.  I have experienced acute attacks which have caused me to miss many important extended family events as well as religious events and sometimes it is a combination of both.  I traveled to my nephews wedding, a days drive, got a good nights sleep but I was not able to get up to go to the actual wedding, I made it to the reception later.  I have trouble getting to church, sometimes I will shave, shower, put on my Sunday-go-to-meeting clothes, and then I collapse, I am just too exhausted to go to the actual meeting. If there is nothing special coming up I seem to do not too badly but as special events approach, my body gives out on me. Am I going crazy or do others experience similar behaviours.  I think that I become so afraid that my body will bive out on my that it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Any similar experiences, possible solutions, etc would be appreciatted.  It would be nice just to know that I not alone in this. Thanx – Paul PS:  I have not been posting much, I have been doing some computer programming for the Church,  it is the first time in over a decade that I have been able to program in my favourite language (PL/1) and it has been a great joy and diversion.  Sometimes I have done stretches as long as fourty hours.  It is kind of like term project time back in University.  I am getting my sleep schedule back to normal and still programming but alittle more reasonably.  It is sure nice to feel useful.

This is off topic but Cornel University also produced a PL/1 complier and run-time environment for volume student use in the 70’s.  The IB compiler was not the fastest in the world I understand.

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Have you tried taking some lomotil or codiene before you go to bed on nights before you have morning plans? Brian   I seem to exhibit a strange set of behaviours.  I have Chrons which is relatively well controlled unless I want to do something.  I have experienced acute attacks which have caused me to miss many important extended family events as well as religious events and sometimes it is a combination of both.  I traveled to my nephews wedding, a days drive, got a good nights sleep but I was not able to get up to go to the actual wedding,  I made it to the reception later.  I have trouble getting to church, sometimes I will shave, shower, put on my Sunday-go-to-meeting clothes, and then I collapse, I am just too exhausted to go to the actual meeting.     If there is nothing special coming up I seem to do not too badly but as special events approach, my body gives out on me.   Am I going crazy or do others experience similar behaviours.  I think that I become so afraid that my body will bive out on my that it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.   Any similar experiences, possible solutions, etc would be appreciatted.  It would be nice just to know that I not alone in this.   Thanx – Paul   PS:  I have not been posting much, I have been doing some computer programming for the Church,  it is the first time in over a decade that I have been able to program in my favourite language (PL/1) and it has been a great joy and diversion.  Sometimes I have done stretches as long as fourty hours.  It is kind of like term project time back in University.  I am getting my sleep schedule back to normal and still programming but alittle more reasonably.  It is sure nice to feel useful.

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Is it possible that the stress of thinking about, and mentally preparing for (and now worrying about what might happen) before these "events" is triggering something" And PS I learned PL/I from Professor Conway – at Cornell Univ.  He and another guy, Gries I think, wrote PL/I for IBM. =====

I seem to exhibit a strange set of behaviours.  I have Chrons which is relatively well controlled unless I want to do something.  I have experienced acute attacks which have caused me to miss many important extended family events as well as religious events and sometimes it is a combination of both.  I traveled to my nephews wedding, a days drive, got a good nights sleep but I was not able to get up to go to the actual wedding, I made it to the reception later.  I have trouble getting to church, sometimes I will shave, shower, put on my Sunday-go-to-meeting clothes, and then I collapse, I am just too exhausted to go to the actual meeting. If there is nothing special coming up I seem to do not too badly but as special events approach, my body gives out on me. Am I going crazy or do others experience similar behaviours.  I think that I become so afraid that my body will bive out on my that it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Any similar experiences, possible solutions, etc would be appreciatted.  It would be nice just to know that I not alone in this. Thanx – Paul PS:  I have not been posting much, I have been doing some computer programming for the Church,  it is the first time in over a decade that I have been able to program in my favourite language (PL/1) and it has been a great joy and diversion.  Sometimes I have done stretches as long as fourty hours.  It is kind of like term project time back in University.  I am getting my sleep schedule back to normal and still programming but alittle more reasonably.  It is sure nice to feel useful.

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Paul, I responded to your email!  UM MOM Susan

I seem to exhibit a strange set of behaviours.  I have Chrons which is relatively well controlled unless I want to do something.  I have experienced acute attacks which have caused me to miss many important extended family events as well as religious events and sometimes it is a combination of both.  I traveled to my nephews wedding, a days drive, got a good nights sleep but I was not able to get up to go to the actual wedding, I made it to the reception later.  I have trouble getting to church, sometimes I will shave, shower, put on my Sunday-go-to-meeting clothes, and then I collapse, I am just too exhausted to go to the actual meeting. If there is nothing special coming up I seem to do not too badly but as special events approach, my body gives out on me. Am I going crazy or do others experience similar behaviours.  I think that I become so afraid that my body will bive out on my that it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Any similar experiences, possible solutions, etc would be appreciatted.  It would be nice just to know that I not alone in this. Thanx – Paul PS:  I have not been posting much, I have been doing some computer programming for the Church,  it is the first time in over a decade that I have been able to program in my favourite language (PL/1) and it has been a great joy and diversion.  Sometimes I have done stretches as long as fourty hours.  It is kind of like term project time back in University.  I am getting my sleep schedule back to normal and still programming but alittle more reasonably.  It is sure nice to feel useful.

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This happens quite a lot with me as well.  Before I went out on disability, there were a few times when I would arrive at work so exhausted that I literally had to lie down in my office for an hour before gaining the strength to just go back home…  The worst though were the times when the big "D" would hit while commuting!  Not a barrel of laughs when you have an open fistula tract which allows everything to pass unabated….   ergh!!!! Anyway, the point of my response was not just to gross everyone out with ugly details but to let you know that this is QUITE NORMAL for some of us.  What I do now is to let anyone know that my attendance / participation is always up for grabs.  When I do have to meet someone else’s schedule exactly, I plan far in advance and at times, modify sleep and eating times in order to ensure that I will be able to get from point a to point b and complete whatever it is…  For example, I take naps in order to attend evening functions and if I need to fly somewhere, I do NOT eat for eight hours prior to flying.  Just find what works for you and try not to worry about the perceptions of others.  Tricky to do in real life and real time with real people but I have found that when I involve others in explaining my constraints, they are quite understanding and try to make whatever adjustments might be necessary.  Good luck to you!! ~Lisa S. Quinn   I seem to exhibit a strange set of behaviours.  I have Chrons which is relatively well controlled unless I want to do something.  I have experienced acute attacks which have caused me to miss many important extended family events as well as religious events and sometimes it is a combination of both.  I traveled to my nephews wedding, a days drive, got a good nights sleep but I was not able to get up to go to the actual wedding,  I made it to the reception later.  I have trouble getting to church, sometimes I will shave, shower, put on my Sunday-go-to-meeting clothes, and then I collapse, I am just too exhausted to go to the actual meeting.     If there is nothing special coming up I seem to do not too badly but as special events approach, my body gives out on me.   Am I going crazy or do others experience similar behaviours.  I think that I become so afraid that my body will bive out on my that it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.   Any similar experiences, possible solutions, etc would be appreciatted.  It would be nice just to know that I not alone in this.   Thanx – Paul   PS:  I have not been posting much, I have been doing some computer programming for the Church,  it is the first time in over a decade that I have been able to program in my favourite language (PL/1) and it has been a great joy and diversion.  Sometimes I have done stretches as long as fourty hours.  It is kind of like term project time back in University.  I am getting my sleep schedule back to normal and still programming but alittle more reasonably.  It is sure nice to feel useful.

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I seem to exhibit a strange set of behaviours.  I have Chrons which is relatively well controlled unless I want to do something.  I have experienced acute attacks which have caused me to miss many important extended family events as well as religious events and sometimes it is a combination of both.  I traveled to my nephews wedding, a days drive, got a good nights sleep but I was not able to get up to go to the actual wedding,  I made it to the reception later.  I have trouble getting to church, sometimes I will shave, shower, put on my Sunday-go-to-meeting clothes, and then I collapse, I am just too exhausted to go to the actual meeting. If there is nothing special coming up I seem to do not too badly but as special events approach, my body gives out on me. Am I going crazy or do others experience similar behaviours.  I think that I become so afraid that my body will bive out on my that it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Any similar experiences, possible solutions, etc would be appreciatted.   It would be nice just to know that I not alone in this. Thanx – Paul PS:  I have not been posting much, I have been doing some computer programming for the Church,  it is the first time in over a decade that I have been able to program in my favourite language (PL/1) and it has been a great joy and diversion.  Sometimes I have done stretches as long as fourty hours.  It is kind of like term project time back in University.  I am getting my sleep schedule back to normal and still programming but alittle more reasonably.  It is sure nice to feel useful.

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Paul, That’s great that you have a meaningful project to work on! I have to say though, with forty hour stretches why are you surprised that you hit an occasional energy wall? Your body, and possibly your mind are trying to tell you to slow down a bit. I tried to shovel the driveway the other day (did half of it), and then went grocery shopping. My husband told me it would be too much, he was right! I layed on the couch all evening while he took care of our 2 year old. Take care and take it easy, Nina

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good article.  how true.  thanks, jeff

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sunday Jan. 2, 2005 Knight Ridder/Tribune News Service A hidden disease By DAINA KLIMANIS While members of Jodi Eller’s junior high swim team did laps in the pool, Eller had to make frequent sprints to the bathroom. Her friends went out for fast food, but Eller was unable to stomach the grease. Some days, she could not eat at all. Her classmates were working their way towards graduation, but Eller came home early every day to sleep. It took about a year for Eller to be diagnosed with Crohn’s disease, a disorder causing chronic and painful inflammation of the digestive tract. Crohn’s most severely affects young adults, who are most likely to be diagnosed with the disease, and for reasons researchers don’t fully understand, the incidence of the disease is rising. Now Eller is a senior at the University of Central Florida and one of an estimated 500,000 people in the U.S. living with Crohn’s. Though a recent survey indicated Crohn’s often limits participation in higher education, recent leaps in medicine have helped Eller lead a more active college life than ever. A HIDDEN DISEASE There are few concrete figures on the number of Crohn’s patients, but studies in numerous communities agree that more people are being diagnosed with Crohn’s disease than in recent decades. The disease’s cause remains unclear. It is most common in developed countries, and more common in urban than in rural areas. Researchers believe something in the environment sends the body’s immune system into overdrive, causing it to attack the gut itself, said Dr. Scott Plevy, co-director of the Inflammatory Bowel Disease Center at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center. Genetic predisposition is also thought to play a part in the disease. Plevy compared what happens to the intestines of people with Crohn’s and ulcerative colitis, a closely related disorder, to scrapes a person might get on his knees after falling off a bicycle. "Entire regions of the intestinal tract can look like they’re scraped like that," Plevy said. "The only difference is in this setting, it doesn’t heal." Though the inflammation is invisible except to specialists, the symptoms are painfully obvious, as Eller discovered. Like most people with Crohn’s, she experienced stomach pain, vomiting and diarrhea so severe, she had to stop racing with her school’s swim team and going out with friends. "I was afraid that this was going to be sort of how my life is going to be, that this was who I was evolving into," Eller said. "And I was just afraid of having that pain every day." Like many who have Crohn’s, Eller was at first diagnosed with another condition. Her doctor treated for hemorrhoids, but her symptoms only worsened, Eller said. Crohn’s and ulcerative colitis often go unrecognized among primary care physicians, Plevy said, because of a lack of awareness about the disease. To make diagnosis more difficult, their symptoms resemble that of irritable bowel syndrome, a prevalent and much less serious disorder. Almost a third of Crohn’s patients had to visit five or more doctors before they were diagnosed with Crohn’s, and nearly half first received a misdiagnosis, according to a survey released this summer by Manhattan Research. The survey was conducted on behalf of the Crohn’s & Colitis Foundation of America and the Digestive Disease National Coalition, and sponsored by Centocor, Inc. Not only is the internal disorder difficult to diagnose, but it has received relatively little public attention, Plevy said. Though Crohn’s is more prevalent than multiple sclerosis, another inflammatory disease, it is much less recognized. A HEAVY TOLL After Eller began receiving treatment for Crohn’s, things improved, she said. She had to eat bland foods, but at least she could eat. At one point she was taking about 17 pills a day, but her pain receded for periods. Even so, Eller never dated because her condition embarrassed her, she said. Good periods were followed by bouts of illness that put her in the hospital, and at one point, the inflammation wore a hole in her intestine wall. "You’ll feel good and active and you can start doing normal things, and then all of a sudden you’ll start doing (worse)," she said. The Manhattan Research survey found that not only did Crohn’s impact personal relationships, but one out of six young adults with Crohn’s said the disease limited their ability to enroll in higher education. Eller found that when her Crohn’s was flaring up, she was hardly able to plan for any kind of future. "When your body hurts, that’s not your goal, to plan what you’ll do in a month or a year," Eller said. "When you are sick, everything changes." The consequences of the disease can be severe, sometimes requiring surgery to remove portions of damaged intestine. Sixty-nine percent of Crohn’s patients have been hospitalized in the last five years, averaging more than a month in the hospital, Manhattan research found; more than half of Crohn’s patients ages 18 to 27 have required surgery in that time. NEW TREATMENTS Things have been changing for Crohn’s patients in the last few years as new treatments are giving them more options than ever. Plevy said that when infliximab, a newly developed drug sold under the brand name Remicade, came out six years ago, it was the first to ever target the underlying causes of inflammation. "If you look at even modern textbook over Crohn’s disease, (it says) our goal is to treat the symptoms," Plevy said. "With Remicade, that has really changed. For the first time in our history-and this is where it is very exciting for us-we are talking about an agent that we think can alter the natural course of this disease." Eller started taking Remicade a few years ago, and soon had more energy than she could ever remember having, she said. Her symptoms waned. Eller hasn’t missed much class in the last two years. In the spring, in addition to class, she was working at an internship at In the meantime, Eller deals with typical college stresses like exams, and plans a normal life for her future. No longer just living day-to-day, she said she hopes to someday get a doctorate so she can research and teach psychology. "At this point, I’m pretty optimistic," Eller said.

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Sunday Jan. 2, 2005 Knight Ridder/Tribune News Service A hidden disease By DAINA KLIMANIS While members of Jodi Eller’s junior high swim team did laps in the pool, Eller had to make frequent sprints to the bathroom. Her friends went out for fast food, but Eller was unable to stomach the grease. Some days, she could not eat at all. Her classmates were working their way towards graduation, but Eller came home early every day to sleep. It took about a year for Eller to be diagnosed with Crohn’s disease, a disorder causing chronic and painful inflammation of the digestive tract. Crohn’s most severely affects young adults, who are most likely to be diagnosed with the disease, and for reasons researchers don’t fully understand, the incidence of the disease is rising. Now Eller is a senior at the University of Central Florida and one of an estimated 500,000 people in the U.S. living with Crohn’s. Though a recent survey indicated Crohn’s often limits participation in higher education, recent leaps in medicine have helped Eller lead a more active college life than ever. A HIDDEN DISEASE There are few concrete figures on the number of Crohn’s patients, but studies in numerous communities agree that more people are being diagnosed with Crohn’s disease than in recent decades. The disease’s cause remains unclear. It is most common in developed countries, and more common in urban than in rural areas. Researchers believe something in the environment sends the body’s immune system into overdrive, causing it to attack the gut itself, said Dr. Scott Plevy, co-director of the Inflammatory Bowel Disease Center at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center. Genetic predisposition is also thought to play a part in the disease. Plevy compared what happens to the intestines of people with Crohn’s and ulcerative colitis, a closely related disorder, to scrapes a person might get on his knees after falling off a bicycle. "Entire regions of the intestinal tract can look like they’re scraped like that," Plevy said. "The only difference is in this setting, it doesn’t heal." Though the inflammation is invisible except to specialists, the symptoms are painfully obvious, as Eller discovered. Like most people with Crohn’s, she experienced stomach pain, vomiting and diarrhea so severe, she had to stop racing with her school’s swim team and going out with friends. "I was afraid that this was going to be sort of how my life is going to be, that this was who I was evolving into," Eller said. "And I was just afraid of having that pain every day." Like many who have Crohn’s, Eller was at first diagnosed with another condition. Her doctor treated for hemorrhoids, but her symptoms only worsened, Eller said. Crohn’s and ulcerative colitis often go unrecognized among primary care physicians, Plevy said, because of a lack of awareness about the disease. To make diagnosis more difficult, their symptoms resemble that of irritable bowel syndrome, a prevalent and much less serious disorder. Almost a third of Crohn’s patients had to visit five or more doctors before they were diagnosed with Crohn’s, and nearly half first received a misdiagnosis, according to a survey released this summer by Manhattan Research. The survey was conducted on behalf of the Crohn’s & Colitis Foundation of America and the Digestive Disease National Coalition, and sponsored by Centocor, Inc. Not only is the internal disorder difficult to diagnose, but it has received relatively little public attention, Plevy said. Though Crohn’s is more prevalent than multiple sclerosis, another inflammatory disease, it is much less recognized. A HEAVY TOLL After Eller began receiving treatment for Crohn’s, things improved, she said. She had to eat bland foods, but at least she could eat. At one point she was taking about 17 pills a day, but her pain receded for periods. Even so, Eller never dated because her condition embarrassed her, she said. Good periods were followed by bouts of illness that put her in the hospital, and at one point, the inflammation wore a hole in her intestine wall. "You’ll feel good and active and you can start doing normal things, and then all of a sudden you’ll start doing (worse)," she said. The Manhattan Research survey found that not only did Crohn’s impact personal relationships, but one out of six young adults with Crohn’s said the disease limited their ability to enroll in higher education. Eller found that when her Crohn’s was flaring up, she was hardly able to plan for any kind of future. "When your body hurts, that’s not your goal, to plan what you’ll do in a month or a year," Eller said. "When you are sick, everything changes." The consequences of the disease can be severe, sometimes requiring surgery to remove portions of damaged intestine. Sixty-nine percent of Crohn’s patients have been hospitalized in the last five years, averaging more than a month in the hospital, Manhattan research found; more than half of Crohn’s patients ages 18 to 27 have required surgery in that time. NEW TREATMENTS Things have been changing for Crohn’s patients in the last few years as new treatments are giving them more options than ever. Plevy said that when infliximab, a newly developed drug sold under the brand name Remicade, came out six years ago, it was the first to ever target the underlying causes of inflammation. "If you look at even modern textbook over Crohn’s disease, (it says) our goal is to treat the symptoms," Plevy said. "With Remicade, that has really changed. For the first time in our history-and this is where it is very exciting for us-we are talking about an agent that we think can alter the natural course of this disease." Eller started taking Remicade a few years ago, and soon had more energy than she could ever remember having, she said. Her symptoms waned. Eller hasn’t missed much class in the last two years. In the spring, in addition to class, she was working at an internship at In the meantime, Eller deals with typical college stresses like exams, and plans a normal life for her future. No longer just living day-to-day, she said she hopes to someday get a doctorate so she can research and teach psychology. "At this point, I’m pretty optimistic," Eller said.

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