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pain pills in the ostomy bag..what next?

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The asacol is just empty pill casings. That is normal and it even says so on the info page that comes with the drug.

Unfortunately, when I took asacol, the whole entire hard pill came out, not just the casing, although sometimes it was just the casing.  Same thing happens to me with vitamins so I take chewable Flinstones.  Oxycontin doesn’t have a casing. Kristen

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Unfortunately, when I took asacol, the whole entire hard pill came out, not just the casing, although sometimes it was just the casing.  Same thing happens to me with vitamins so I take chewable Flinstones.  Oxycontin doesn’t have a casing. Kristen

I agree with you Kristen.  I do not have a bag yet but I have had many episodes where the harder outershelled medications tend to pass through my body whole. Not just the casings, but the entire pill.  In certain medications, for example the faster acting morphine sulfate I now take in liquid form so that it doesn’t just pass thru my system without helping ease the pain at all. At first I couldn’t figure why I was taking all these pain pills and getting no relief from breakthru pain.  Then I found out why.  This has happend with Asacol, Pentasa, and a few others.  You really need to have a good talk with your doc. Be well and God bless.   Margie CD Class of 67 UC Class of 96

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– Hello all:      My son has been on oxycontin extended release tablets for his fistulizing crohn’s pain and has complained often about breakthrough pain. This morning he noticed two tablets in the ileostomy effluent! He had that problem with Asacol before the ostomy…anyone experience this problem or something like it? I suspect transdermal patches are in order. thanx coffy2 For Duty and Humanity!

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– Hello all:     My son has been on oxycontin extended release tablets for his fistulizing crohn’s pain and has complained often about breakthrough pain. This morning he noticed two tablets in the ileostomy effluent! He had that problem with Asacol before the ostomy…anyone experience this problem or something like it? I suspect transdermal patches are in order. thanx coffy2

Hi,     I had the same problems yrs ago with my asacol and various other hard shelled pills.  Most extended release pills are not going to be a good option for your son.  He might need to try a shorter acting medicine that comes in an elixir or a pill that can be crushed.      Kristen

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http://opioids.com/oxycodone/oxy.html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Hello all:      My son has been on oxycontin extended release tablets for his fistulizing crohn’s pain and has complained often about breakthrough pain. This morning he noticed two tablets in the ileostomy effluent! He had that problem with Asacol before the ostomy…anyone experience this problem or something like it? I suspect transdermal patches are in order. thanx coffy2 For Duty and Humanity!

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The asacol is just empty pill casings. That is normal and it even says so on the info page that comes with the drug. You should ask your pharmacist if that’s the case with the oxycontin too. Debs – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Hello all:     My son has been on oxycontin extended release tablets for his fistulizing crohn’s pain and has complained often about breakthrough pain. This morning he noticed two tablets in the ileostomy effluent! He had that problem with Asacol before the ostomy…anyone experience this problem or something like it? I suspect transdermal patches are in order. thanx coffy2 Hi,     I had the same problems yrs ago with my asacol and various other hard shelled pills.  Most extended release pills are not going to be a good option for your son.  He might need to try a shorter acting medicine that comes in an elixir or a pill that can be crushed.    Kristen

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Prayers Please

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   He did prescribe me a whopping SIXTY percocette. Big Deal… I am so frustrated….

Wow he would’nt give you the good *STUFF*  what you dopers will do to get your drugs.

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<< I just got back from driving an hour and a half one way (total of three hour drive), only to be told when I got there that this doctor cannot rx for me. He claims that the board of pharmacuticals told him that he has no more power to rx than a regular GP and that he needed to send his patients that are in need of opiates to a specialist??? He WAS a specialist- his business card says M.D., Ph.D. Diplomate of American Board of Anesthesia and American Board of Pain Medicine??? WTF is this doctor talking about?     I probably should have asked specifics but I was crying and in pain- he decided that he needed to test me for FMS before telling me he was limited on his rx’ing abilities. It always causes me great pain when someone touches me in certain places.     He did prescribe me a whopping SIXTY percocette. Big Deal… I am so frustrated….     It did cross my mind that maybe he did not believe me, but then I wondered why would he rx percocete if he didn’t think I was for real? I didn’t beg or get violent with him or anything. I just nodded my head and before I could walk out the door the tears started rolling. He followed me and wrote the rx for percocete. I dunno why he even did it.    He said that he would be writting my doctor a note explaining that he can no longer accept new patients for narcotic pain control and that I would need to be refered to a "specialist"…. grrrrrrrrrrr Life… REALLY…. REALLY…. sucks. Tammy PS: thank you guys anyway for your prayers and well wishing. Tammy, do you think it’s possible this doctor is in some trouble with the board of pharmaceuticals? It sounds like he is telling you that he’s been told he can’t accept patients for opiate treatment, that he can’t practice his specialty. Can you do some research with the physician licensing board? I don’t get the impression he didn’t believe you and your need for treatment. Good luck. Jennie

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The dopers are all upset that the doc won’t give them their fix.  what pathetic COWARDS              

It truly amazes me how people like you can hide behind a anonymous keyboard and make your snide remarks.  In person you people are meek as mice.  That’s because people can’t smack you in the mouth from a keyboard.  Some people in the world have real problems and then they find a twit like you.  I don’t think that’s what they need.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jim, I’ve never plonked before, could you help me? I am using Outlook Express and I’ve had it with this idiot. Thanks Tammy PLONK    He did prescribe me a whopping SIXTY percocette. Big Deal… I am so frustrated…. Wow he would’nt give you the good *STUFF*  what you dopers will do to get your drugs.

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Jim, I’ve never plonked before, could you help me? I am using Outlook Express and I’ve had it with this idiot. Thanks Tammy

I’ll tell you if you promise not to plonk little ole me. In Outlook, highlight a message from the person you wish to plonk, then click on the Message menu and Block Sender. You won’t see any more messages from that person–except of course from those people who quote his rants because they can’t resist giving the troll additional material to work with. — Tattered Maggie

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MessageBlock Sender, in Outlook Express.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jim, I’ve never plonked before, could you help me? I am using Outlook Express and I’ve had it with this idiot. Thanks Tammy PLONK    He did prescribe me a whopping SIXTY percocette. Big Deal… I am so frustrated…. Wow he would’nt give you the good *STUFF*  what you dopers will do to get your drugs.

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 Wow! Dueling trolls! codeee wrote : – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -This is the education ozzz got from queer old dad. Get him while he is still in puberty dad! Swallow ozz!!! You got to learn to be like your mom! Pretty britches loves old singers! You being queer is a good setup to HIV. Then you can tell us what is addictive! Is your stupidity lifelong? Is aspirin better than Standback? You can answer these questions. It is not over your head like small time drugs are! It truly amazes me how people like you can hide behind a anonymous keyboard and make your snide remarks.  In person you people are meek as mice.  That’s because people can’t smack you in the mouth from a keyboard.  Some people in the world have real problems and then they find a twit like you.  I don’t think that’s what they need. I would imagine that most things in life amaze YOU.  Want my address so you can attempt to smack me in the mouth.  I don’t hit people in the face, for some reason I have this desire to rip open their throats.  Is vicodin addictive???

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Wow! Dueling trolls!

I have a banjo

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whoa why don’t you all become a duet and plez duet else where. Bonner

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wow! Dueling trolls! I have a banjo

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PLONK

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    He did prescribe me a whopping SIXTY percocette. Big Deal… I am so frustrated…. Wow he would’nt give you the good *STUFF*  what you dopers will do to get your drugs.

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Jim, I’ve never plonked before, could you help me? I am using Outlook Express and I’ve had it with this idiot. Thanks Tammy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – PLONK    He did prescribe me a whopping SIXTY percocette. Big Deal… I am so frustrated…. Wow he would’nt give you the good *STUFF*  what you dopers will do to get your drugs.

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This is the education ozzz got from queer old dad. Get him while he is still in puberty dad! Swallow ozz!!! You got to learn to be like your mom! Pretty britches loves old singers! You being queer is a good setup to HIV. Then you can tell us what is addictive! Is your stupidity lifelong? Is aspirin better than Standback? You can answer these questions. It is not over your head like small time drugs are!

It truly amazes me how people like you can hide behind a anonymous keyboard and make your snide remarks.  In person you people are meek as mice.  That’s because people can’t smack you in the mouth from a keyboard.  Some people in the world have real problems and then they find a twit like you.  I don’t think that’s what they need.

I would imagine that most things in life amaze YOU.  Want my address so you can attempt to smack me in the mouth.  I don’t hit people in the face, for some reason I have this desire to rip open their throats.  Is vicodin addictive???

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Tammy, I’m SO sorry you had this experience! I’ll keep praying for you to find the right DR. Did you get his name from Skip’s list? I have left many DR’ s offices this very same way over the yrs & is the reason I’m dragging my feet about driving 3hrs to the nearest pain management DR! I’m so afraid it will turn out like yours did. Jennie is right & is on to something about this DR. SO many are paranoid since the damned Oxy scare! Hang in there, Tammy & keep looking! Peace  ~Stacie~

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ozz is upset his mom won’t have sex with him for under $2 a week. Dig daddy gives it to him for free! Show us how you suck ozzz

The dopers are all upset that the doc won’t give them their fix.  what pathetic COWARDS – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Same here I just got back from driving an hour and a half one way (total of three hour drive), only to be told when I got there that this doctor cannot rx for me. He claims that the board of pharmacuticals told him that he has no more power to rx than a regular GP and that he needed to send his patients that are in need of opiates to a specialist??? He WAS a specialist- his business card says M.D., Ph.D. Diplomate of American Board of Anesthesia and American Board of Pain Medicine??? WTF is this doctor talking about?     I probably should have asked specifics but I was crying and in pain- he decided that he needed to test me for FMS before telling me he was limited on his rx’ing abilities. It always causes me great pain when someone touches me in certain places.     He did prescribe me a whopping SIXTY percocette. Big Deal… I am so frustrated….     It did cross my mind that maybe he did not believe me, but then I wondered why would he rx percocete if he didn’t think I was for real? I didn’t beg or get violent with him or anything. I just nodded my head and before I could walk out the door the tears started rolling. He followed me and wrote the rx for percocete. I dunno why he even did it.    He said that he would be writting my doctor a note explaining that he can no longer accept new patients for narcotic pain control and that I would need to be refered to a "specialist"…. grrrrrrrrrrr Life… REALLY…. REALLY…. sucks. Tammy PS: thank you guys anyway for your prayers and well wishing.

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: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – << I just got back from driving an hour and a half one way (total of three hour drive), only to be told when I got there that this doctor cannot rx for me. He claims that the board of pharmacuticals told him that he has no more power to rx than a regular GP and that he needed to send his patients that are in need of opiates to a specialist??? He WAS a specialist- his business card says M.D., Ph.D. Diplomate of American Board of Anesthesia and American Board of Pain Medicine??? WTF is this doctor talking about?    I probably should have asked specifics but I was crying and in pain- he decided that he needed to test me for FMS before telling me he was limited on his rx’ing abilities. It always causes me great pain when someone touches me in certain places.    He did prescribe me a whopping SIXTY percocette. Big Deal… I am so frustrated….    It did cross my mind that maybe he did not believe me, but then I wondered why would he rx percocete if he didn’t think I was for real? I didn’t beg or get violent with him or anything. I just nodded my head and before I could walk out the door the tears started rolling. He followed me and wrote the rx for percocete. I dunno why he even did it.   He said that he would be writting my doctor a note explaining that he can no longer accept new patients for narcotic pain control and that I would need to be refered to a "specialist"…. grrrrrrrrrrr Life… REALLY…. REALLY…. sucks. Tammy PS: thank you guys anyway for your prayers and well wishing.

This dost really sucketh Tammy :-( Please don’t give up.  Harold suggested phoning Dr.Joel Hochman, in Houston, Texas…it seems he will give you the name of a pain doctor near you.  Perhaps others in the group will know of other pathways you can take to find someone. It would have been nice to know that before you made the drive wouldn’t it! I think that Jennie is probably right, there may be something going on with his license, or he may just have decided it’s too much trouble and red tape..in any case it would seem he’d tak the pain specialist off of his name! Best of luck to you codeee

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It truly amazes me how people like you can hide behind a anonymous keyboard and make your snide remarks.  In person you people are meek as mice.  That’s because people can’t smack you in the mouth from a keyboard.  Some people in the world have real problems and then they find a twit like you.  I don’t think that’s what they need.

I would imagine that most things in life amaze YOU.  Want my address so you can attempt to smack me in the mouth.  I don’t hit people in the face, for some reason I have this desire to rip open their throats.  Is vicodin addictive???

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Well today is the day!!! I have waited months to see a pain specialist and today my husband, kids and I are driving almost two hours (one way) to see the one my GP refered me to.    I normally do not request prayers but in this case, I desperately need them. My appointment is at 8:15am (EST).    I’m a nervous wreck. I keep wondering, what will I do if he doesn’t help me? I got about two hours sleep and am running on empty too. Please guys- pray for me to finally get the help I need and deserve. I can’t tell you how many times I have regretted trying to get a new GP. Thanks Tammy

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Tammy, Good luck today!  I am sure things will go well…I can feel it :) … You are in my thoughts.  Let us know how things go. Robin I am *not* a Medical Doctor (MD) or *any* type of Medical Professional. PLEASE consult your own Dr. for medical advice.  The information posted is what I have learned from researching or personal experiences. Remove "NOSPAM" from addy to email me.

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Prayer uplifted for you, Tammy.  Let us know how it went. Sincerely, Editor

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well today is the day!!! I have waited months to see a pain specialist and today my husband, kids and I are driving almost two hours (one way) to see the one my GP refered me to.    I normally do not request prayers but in this case, I desperately need them. My appointment is at 8:15am (EST).    I’m a nervous wreck. I keep wondering, what will I do if he doesn’t help me? I got about two hours sleep and am running on empty too. Please guys- pray for me to finally get the help I need and deserve. I can’t tell you how many times I have regretted trying to get a new GP. Thanks Tammy

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I just got back from driving an hour and a half one way (total of three hour drive), only to be told when I got there that this doctor cannot rx for me. He claims that the board of pharmacuticals told him that he has no more power to rx than a regular GP and that he needed to send his patients that are in need of opiates to a specialist??? He WAS a specialist- his business card says M.D., Ph.D. Diplomate of American Board of Anesthesia and American Board of Pain Medicine??? WTF is this doctor talking about?     I probably should have asked specifics but I was crying and in pain- he decided that he needed to test me for FMS before telling me he was limited on his rx’ing abilities. It always causes me great pain when someone touches me in certain places.     He did prescribe me a whopping SIXTY percocette. Big Deal… I am so frustrated….     It did cross my mind that maybe he did not believe me, but then I wondered why would he rx percocete if he didn’t think I was for real? I didn’t beg or get violent with him or anything. I just nodded my head and before I could walk out the door the tears started rolling. He followed me and wrote the rx for percocete. I dunno why he even did it.    He said that he would be writting my doctor a note explaining that he can no longer accept new patients for narcotic pain control and that I would need to be refered to a "specialist"…. grrrrrrrrrrr Life… REALLY…. REALLY…. sucks. Tammy PS: thank you guys anyway for your prayers and well wishing.

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Same here

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just got back from driving an hour and a half one way (total of three hour drive), only to be told when I got there that this doctor cannot rx for me. He claims that the board of pharmacuticals told him that he has no more power to rx than a regular GP and that he needed to send his patients that are in need of opiates to a specialist??? He WAS a specialist- his business card says M.D., Ph.D. Diplomate of American Board of Anesthesia and American Board of Pain Medicine??? WTF is this doctor talking about?     I probably should have asked specifics but I was crying and in pain- he decided that he needed to test me for FMS before telling me he was limited on his rx’ing abilities. It always causes me great pain when someone touches me in certain places.     He did prescribe me a whopping SIXTY percocette. Big Deal… I am so frustrated….     It did cross my mind that maybe he did not believe me, but then I wondered why would he rx percocete if he didn’t think I was for real? I didn’t beg or get violent with him or anything. I just nodded my head and before I could walk out the door the tears started rolling. He followed me and wrote the rx for percocete. I dunno why he even did it.    He said that he would be writting my doctor a note explaining that he can no longer accept new patients for narcotic pain control and that I would need to be refered to a "specialist"…. grrrrrrrrrrr Life… REALLY…. REALLY…. sucks. Tammy PS: thank you guys anyway for your prayers and well wishing.

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The dopers are all upset that the doc won’t give them their fix.  what pathetic COWARDS               – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Same here I just got back from driving an hour and a half one way (total of three hour drive), only to be told when I got there that this doctor cannot rx for me. He claims that the board of pharmacuticals told him that he has no more power to rx than a regular GP and that he needed to send his patients that are in need of opiates to a specialist??? He WAS a specialist- his business card says M.D., Ph.D. Diplomate of American Board of Anesthesia and American Board of Pain Medicine??? WTF is this doctor talking about?     I probably should have asked specifics but I was crying and in pain- he decided that he needed to test me for FMS before telling me he was limited on his rx’ing abilities. It always causes me great pain when someone touches me in certain places.     He did prescribe me a whopping SIXTY percocette. Big Deal… I am so frustrated….     It did cross my mind that maybe he did not believe me, but then I wondered why would he rx percocete if he didn’t think I was for real? I didn’t beg or get violent with him or anything. I just nodded my head and before I could walk out the door the tears started rolling. He followed me and wrote the rx for percocete. I dunno why he even did it.    He said that he would be writting my doctor a note explaining that he can no longer accept new patients for narcotic pain control and that I would need to be refered to a "specialist"…. grrrrrrrrrrr Life… REALLY…. REALLY…. sucks. Tammy PS: thank you guys anyway for your prayers and well wishing.

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Aim, I m a little late in finding this thread but want you to  know Im sending you guys my best thoughts. Sounds like a very special dog. They are amazing and will really surprise you in cases like this. Hope she continues to surprise you everyday. I nearly lost my child hood dog when he was 3. Got run over by a truck pulling a horse trailer. Crushed all the bone in one leg and even though they had to metal rod that one and spend a month nursing him back from a collapsed lung, he lived to be 18 yrs. old and never did stop chasing cars. So, heres hoping Keta just keeps getting stronger every day. johnie

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Anyway, thank you for any prayers and good vibes and whatnot. Please continue em. Keta needs them, and so does her family.

Yes, losing an animal you are that close to, is losing a member of your family.  I wish the dog well, and your Aunt and her family as well. I just hope they keep her quality of life in their thoughts.  It would hurt terribly to lose her, but it would be far worse to hang on to her if she becomes paralyzed or remains in extreme pain.  Quality of life. Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’.  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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Sending prayers that she continue to do well.  I’ve found that vets tend to over estimate how bad the outcome might be in most cases.  They want to make really sure the family is prepared for the worst.  One of my twin 5 lb poodles ruptured a disc in her back about six years ago.  At the moment she is barking her fool head off over absolutely nothing.  And her sister is doing the same.  They’re almost 14, nearly deaf and nearly blind, but sense of taste and smell work just great and they still love to cuddle and keep me sane. Jo

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks everyone who responded, as well as any who didn’t but have been praying. Keta came home today and is able to walk!! She is still very unsteady, and still nowhere near being "out of the woods" as it is still possible that the cord could swell or the disc shift position and further injure her. They have fashioned a brace from stiff foam exercise mats, and are ordering a doggie life jacket that extends from neck to tail in oder to keep her spine from bending. She will be penned for at least a month. She’s on the oxyc*ntin patch as well as massive doses of steroids and other pain meds. So she’s pretty looped, poor baby. But she is home. What I didn’t explain about Keta before is she isn’t "just a dog." This dog helped her mom (my aunt) survive major depression, and she rescued a neighbor from a burglar last year — the burglars were caught, too, because of her. She is like a 100-lb cat, as she was raised by two cats. She and the cats groom each other, and she pounces and chases wasps right alongside the cats. Hysterical to watch. She is also the dog they got after their previous dog was hit and killed by a car right in front of their then 6 and 8 year old sons when they were in the woods playing in snow. So the boys, now 14 and 16, have been that much more upset, because they have already had such a tragic loss. Anyway, thank you for any prayers and good vibes and whatnot. Please continue em. Keta needs them, and so does her family. Aim Yikes, just caught the message about Keta and hope she

will soon be running – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – around with a big doggy smile soon. Kelly C.;o) While I was in Canada for the week, My aunt’s dog Keta (key’-tuh) fell down the cliffs at the back of their house Thursday and injured her back quite badly. She is coming home from the hospital today. She’s got at least one slipped disc that is pressing on the spinal cord enough that while she has feeling in her back legs she’s lost the propioception (doesn’t know where they are in space). This is the impulse that runs down the furthest outside layer of the cord. So, poor baby, she is heavily

sedated and will have – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – to be in a pen and carried even outside to pee for at least a month. This is a HUGE dog (lab/bouvier mix) so carrying her outside isn’t easy. Rescuing her from her fall was an adventure in engineering. And of course it was dark out so it was that much harder. When it first happened we thought she had dislocated her hip and broken her leg, because it was hanging at a funny angle, but it’s because it was completely paralyzed at first. Luckily, the sling we created to help her was probably the best thing we could have done because it held her back stable too. She was in a LOT of pain. So, please say a few prayers for Keta. She is in a lot of danger still of the disc slipping further and paralyzing her, or of the cord swelling and doing the same. They don’t have the money to give her the surgery she’d need if that were to happen. It would cost $5k-7k. Best case scenario, the disc resolves itself with steroids and bedrest, and she is fine, though she’ll have to slow down a bit. No more imitating a mountaingoat on the cliffs, as she has done since she was a baby. Thanks, Aim make sure to remove the spam protection from my address! It should read:  aim (at) arthritisinsight (dot com) make sure to remove the spam protection from my address! It should read:  aim (at) arthritisinsight (dot com)

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Sending prayers that she continue to do well.  I’ve found that vets tend to over estimate how bad the outcome might be in most cases.  They want to make really sure the family is prepared for the worst.  One of my twin 5 lb poodles ruptured a disc in her back about six years ago.  At the moment she is barking her fool head off over absolutely nothing.  And her sister is doing the same.  They’re almost 14, nearly deaf and nearly blind, but sense of taste and smell work just great and they still love to cuddle and keep me sane. Jo

Thanks Jo, Yeah vets do sometimes seem to do that. What was worrisome is that she was partially paralyzed, and we didn’t know how permanent that might be. The vets she saw were pretty good about giving us "best case, worst case, most likely" scenarios so that the family could start making decisions about what to do in each case. Thanks for the info on your dog. Jan will be happy to hear that she recovered well — I know she is super worried about how Keta’s quality of life will be. And what they might have to do as far as pain control, and how much pain is the cutoff of what is fair to her to have to handle, etc. Hopefully that will all be a moot point. I just talked to Jan while I was writing this, and she said to tell everyone thank you again. She feels like the prayers and stuff must be helping, cuz Keta is quite bright-eyed today, and is holding her own for now. She’s penned, and they have to carry her out to pee and such, but she is hanging in there, and only cries a little sometimes. Aim make sure to remove the spam protection from my address! It should read:  aim (at) arthritisinsight (dot com)

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Oh, Aim, I’m so sorry to hear this. Poor doggie. And poor you having it happen on your vacation. hugs! XO -kk

Thanks, though it was a good thing we were there. The family was so upset they couldnt digest the things the vet said, plus my mom has so much knowledge of medicine and injury mechanics, especially spinal ones (her specialty) that she was super super helpful with getting Keta immobilized and into the vet, as well as "translating" for Jan (my aunt). Hopefully Keta will do better and better. :-) Aim make sure to remove the spam protection from my address! It should read:  aim (at) arthritisinsight (dot com)

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From Aim: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – While I was in Canada for the week, My aunt’s dog Keta (key’-tuh) fell down the cliffs at the back of their house Thursday and injured her back quite badly. She is coming home from the hospital today. She’s got at least one slipped disc that is pressing on the spinal cord enough that while she has feeling in her back legs she’s lost the propioception (doesn’t know where they are in space). This is the impulse that runs down the furthest outside layer of the cord. So, poor baby, she is heavily sedated and will have to be in a pen and carried even outside to pee for at least a month. This is a HUGE dog (lab/bouvier mix) so carrying her outside isn’t easy. Rescuing her from her fall was an adventure in engineering. And of course it was dark out so it was that much harder. When it first happened we thought she had dislocated her hip and broken her leg, because it was hanging at a funny angle, but it’s because it was completely paralyzed at first. Luckily, the sling we created to help her was probably the best thing we could have done because it held her back stable too. She was in a LOT of pain. So, please say a few prayers for Keta. She is in a lot of danger still of the disc slipping further and paralyzing her, or of the cord swelling and doing the same. They don’t have the money to give her the surgery she’d need if that were to happen. It would cost $5k-7k. Best case scenario, the disc resolves itself with steroids and bedrest, and she is fine, though she’ll have to slow down a bit. No more imitating a mountaingoat on the cliffs, as she has done since she was a baby. Thanks, Aim

Oh, Aim, I’m so sorry to hear this. Poor doggie. And poor you having it happen on your vacation. hugs! XO -kk

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(((((((Keta and family)))))))))) debbie m.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – While I was in Canada for the week, My aunt’s dog Keta (key’-tuh) fell down the cliffs at the back of their house Thursday and injured her back quite badly. She is coming home from the hospital today. She’s got at least one slipped disc that is pressing on the spinal cord enough that while she has feeling in her back legs she’s lost the propioception (doesn’t know where they are in space). This is the impulse that runs down the furthest outside layer of the cord. So, poor baby, she is heavily sedated and will have to be in a pen and carried even outside to pee for at least a month. This is a HUGE dog (lab/bouvier mix) so carrying her outside isn’t easy. Rescuing her from her fall was an adventure in engineering. And of course it was dark out so it was that much harder. When it first happened we thought she had dislocated her hip and broken her leg, because it was hanging at a funny angle, but it’s because it was completely paralyzed at first. Luckily, the sling we created to help her was probably the best thing we could have done because it held her back stable too. She was in a LOT of pain. So, please say a few prayers for Keta. She is in a lot of danger still of the disc slipping further and paralyzing her, or of the cord swelling and doing the same. They don’t have the money to give her the surgery she’d need if that were to happen. It would cost $5k-7k. Best case scenario, the disc resolves itself with steroids and bedrest, and she is fine, though she’ll have to slow down a bit. No more imitating a mountaingoat on the cliffs, as she has done since she was a baby. Thanks, Aim make sure to remove the spam protection from my address! It should read:  aim (at) arthritisinsight (dot com)

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Thanks everyone who responded, as well as any who didn’t but have been praying. Keta came home today and is able to walk!! She is still very unsteady, and still nowhere near being "out of the woods" as it is still possible that the cord could swell or the disc shift position and further injure her. They have fashioned a brace from stiff foam exercise mats, and are ordering a doggie life jacket that extends from neck to tail in oder to keep her spine from bending. She will be penned for at least a month. She’s on the oxyc*ntin patch as well as massive doses of steroids and other pain meds. So she’s pretty looped, poor baby. But she is home. What I didn’t explain about Keta before is she isn’t "just a dog." This dog helped her mom (my aunt) survive major depression, and she rescued a neighbor from a burglar last year — the burglars were caught, too, because of her. She is like a 100-lb cat, as she was raised by two cats. She and the cats groom each other, and she pounces and chases wasps right alongside the cats. Hysterical to watch. She is also the dog they got after their previous dog was hit and killed by a car right in front of their then 6 and 8 year old sons when they were in the woods playing in snow. So the boys, now 14 and 16, have been that much more upset, because they have already had such a tragic loss. Anyway, thank you for any prayers and good vibes and whatnot. Please continue em. Keta needs them, and so does her family. Aim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yikes, just caught the message about Keta and hope she will soon be running around with a big doggy smile soon. Kelly C.;o) While I was in Canada for the week, My aunt’s dog Keta (key’-tuh) fell down the cliffs at the back of their house Thursday and injured her back quite badly. She is coming home from the hospital today. She’s got at least one slipped disc that is pressing on the spinal cord enough that while she has feeling in her back legs she’s lost the propioception (doesn’t know where they are in space). This is the impulse that runs down the furthest outside layer of the cord. So, poor baby, she is heavily sedated and will have to be in a pen and carried even outside to pee for at least a month. This is a HUGE dog (lab/bouvier mix) so carrying her outside isn’t easy. Rescuing her from her fall was an adventure in engineering. And of course it was dark out so it was that much harder. When it first happened we thought she had dislocated her hip and broken her leg, because it was hanging at a funny angle, but it’s because it was completely paralyzed at first. Luckily, the sling we created to help her was probably the best thing we could have done because it held her back stable too. She was in a LOT of pain. So, please say a few prayers for Keta. She is in a lot of danger still of the disc slipping further and paralyzing her, or of the cord swelling and doing the same. They don’t have the money to give her the surgery she’d need if that were to happen. It would cost $5k-7k. Best case scenario, the disc resolves itself with steroids and bedrest, and she is fine, though she’ll have to slow down a bit. No more imitating a mountaingoat on the cliffs, as she has done since she was a baby. Thanks, Aim make sure to remove the spam protection from my address! It should read:  aim (at) arthritisinsight (dot com)

make sure to remove the spam protection from my address! It should read:  aim (at) arthritisinsight (dot com)

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Sending good thoughts for Keta. GramPaHugs, Alex, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – While I was in Canada for the week, My aunt’s dog Keta (key’-tuh) fell down the cliffs at the back of their house Thursday and injured her back quite badly. She is coming home from the hospital today. She’s got at least one slipped disc that is pressing on the spinal cord enough that while she has feeling in her back legs she’s lost the propioception (doesn’t know where they are in space). This is the impulse that runs down the furthest outside layer of the cord. So, poor baby, she is heavily sedated and will have to be in a pen and carried even outside to pee for at least a month. This is a HUGE dog (lab/bouvier mix) so carrying her outside isn’t easy. Rescuing her from her fall was an adventure in engineering. And of course it was dark out so it was that much harder. When it first happened we thought she had dislocated her hip and broken her leg, because it was hanging at a funny angle, but it’s because it was completely paralyzed at first. Luckily, the sling we created to help her was probably the best thing we could have done because it held her back stable too. She was in a LOT of pain. So, please say a few prayers for Keta. She is in a lot of danger still of the disc slipping further and paralyzing her, or of the cord swelling and doing the same. They don’t have the money to give her the surgery she’d need if that were to happen. It would cost $5k-7k. Best case scenario, the disc resolves itself with steroids and bedrest, and she is fine, though she’ll have to slow down a bit. No more imitating a mountaingoat on the cliffs, as she has done since she was a baby. Thanks, Aim make sure to remove the spam protection from my address! It should read:  aim (at) arthritisinsight (dot com)

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Yikes, just caught the message about Keta and hope she will soon be running around with a big doggy smile soon. Kelly C.;o)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – While I was in Canada for the week, My aunt’s dog Keta (key’-tuh) fell down the cliffs at the back of their house Thursday and injured her back quite badly. She is coming home from the hospital today. She’s got at least one slipped disc that is pressing on the spinal cord enough that while she has feeling in her back legs she’s lost the propioception (doesn’t know where they are in space). This is the impulse that runs down the furthest outside layer of the cord. So, poor baby, she is heavily sedated and will have to be in a pen and carried even outside to pee for at least a month. This is a HUGE dog (lab/bouvier mix) so carrying her outside isn’t easy. Rescuing her from her fall was an adventure in engineering. And of course it was dark out so it was that much harder. When it first happened we thought she had dislocated her hip and broken her leg, because it was hanging at a funny angle, but it’s because it was completely paralyzed at first. Luckily, the sling we created to help her was probably the best thing we could have done because it held her back stable too. She was in a LOT of pain. So, please say a few prayers for Keta. She is in a lot of danger still of the disc slipping further and paralyzing her, or of the cord swelling and doing the same. They don’t have the money to give her the surgery she’d need if that were to happen. It would cost $5k-7k. Best case scenario, the disc resolves itself with steroids and bedrest, and she is fine, though she’ll have to slow down a bit. No more imitating a mountaingoat on the cliffs, as she has done since she was a baby. Thanks, Aim make sure to remove the spam protection from my address! It should read:  aim (at) arthritisinsight (dot com)

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While I was in Canada for the week, My aunt’s dog Keta (key’-tuh) fell down the cliffs at the back of their house Thursday and injured her back quite badly. She is coming home from the hospital today. She’s got at least one slipped disc that is pressing on the spinal cord enough that while she has feeling in her back legs she’s lost the propioception (doesn’t know where they are in space). This is the impulse that runs down the furthest outside layer of the cord. So, poor baby, she is heavily sedated and will have to be in a pen and carried even outside to pee for at least a month. This is a HUGE dog (lab/bouvier mix) so carrying her outside isn’t easy. Rescuing her from her fall was an adventure in engineering. And of course it was dark out so it was that much harder. When it first happened we thought she had dislocated her hip and broken her leg, because it was hanging at a funny angle, but it’s because it was completely paralyzed at first. Luckily, the sling we created to help her was probably the best thing we could have done because it held her back stable too. She was in a LOT of pain. So, please say a few prayers for Keta. She is in a lot of danger still of the disc slipping further and paralyzing her, or of the cord swelling and doing the same. They don’t have the money to give her the surgery she’d need if that were to happen. It would cost $5k-7k. Best case scenario, the disc resolves itself with steroids and bedrest, and she is fine, though she’ll have to slow down a bit. No more imitating a mountaingoat on the cliffs, as she has done since she was a baby. Thanks, Aim make sure to remove the spam protection from my address! It should read:  aim (at) arthritisinsight (dot com)

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Dawn, I am so sorry. I pray that things do get better for your aunt . Love Marge Marge

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Prayers are on the way….Blessings, Donna — Donna H No dream is too big, no dreamer too small Unknown — Donna H No dream is too big, no dreamer too small Unknown Before you buy.

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Dawn, thoughts and prayers going out for  your Aunt, and you and family. Jan

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Dawn, I’ll keep your Aunt in my prayers, and send positive energies to you and your cousin.   Kitt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -My dear Aunt had open heart surgery developed a clot and had to have a second surgery.  She is on a respirator and her brain has swelled.  She is not responding to any commands. My cousin called last night and it is not looking good. Thank you Love and Light Dawn0

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As one who has been the recipient of those prayers, I can tell you they work.  I’ll be praying also. Gwen L

Yipes!  You’re back!  :)  That’ll teach me to keep posts in date order.  Awfully good to see you posting. {{{{{{{Gwen}}}}}}} Kitt

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{{{{{{{DawnO}}}}}}}   Caroline – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My dear Aunt had open heart surgery developed a clot and had to have a second surgery.  She is on a respirator and her brain has swelled.  She is not responding to any commands. My cousin called last night and it is not looking good. Thank you Love and Light Dawn0 — "Life happens while you’re busy planning other things" John Lennon

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They are coming your way—prayers, the best cyber hugs I know how to give, and all the good and positive things I can think of.    So sorry for you and your family.

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my thoughts are with you. nic perth, w. aus.

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Dawn,   My prayers are with your Aunt. You are in my thoughts.                                            Be well,  Patty :) *~A friend is someone who reaches out for your hand, and touches your heart.~*

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My dear Aunt had open heart surgery developed a clot and had to have a second surgery.  She is on a respirator and her brain has swelled.  She is not responding to any commands. My cousin called last night and it is not looking good. Thank you Love and Light Dawn0 — "Life happens while you’re busy planning other things" John Lennon

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My thoughts are with you. (((Dawn))) Norio

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Dawn in my thoughts and prayers. God Bless, Love ConnieD.

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My dear Aunt had open heart surgery developed a clot and had to have a second surgery.  She is on a respirator and her brain has swelled.  She is not responding to any commands. My cousin called last night and it is not looking good. Thank you Love and Light Dawn0

Dawn, Becky and I will be sending good vibes her way! Your way too, hang in there! Steve http://www.zoomnet.net/~steve

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As one who has been the recipient of those prayers, I can tell you they work.  I’ll be praying also. Gwen L * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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{{{{{Dawn}}}}} Will do. Walt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My dear Aunt had open heart surgery developed a clot and had to have a second surgery.  She is on a respirator and her brain has swelled.  She is not responding to any commands. My cousin called last night and it is not looking good. Thank you Love and Light Dawn0 — "Life happens while you’re busy planning other things" John Lennon

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{{{{{Dawn}}}}}  My thoughts are with you and your family. Sarah L "Friends are those people who know the words to the song in your heart and sing them back to you when you have forgotten the words."  (unattributed)

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My dear Aunt had open heart surgery developed a clot and had to have a second surgery.  She is on a respirator and her brain has swelled.  She is not responding to any commands. My cousin called last night and it is not looking good. Thank you Love and Light Dawn0 — "Life happens while you’re busy planning other things" John Lennon

Prayers on the way. (((((Dawn))))) Kellann — I’ve learned that even when I have pains, I don’t have to be one.-Unattributed

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My dear Aunt had open heart surgery developed a clot and had to have a second surgery.  She is on a respirator and her brain has swelled.  She is not responding to any commands. My cousin called last night and it is not looking good. Thank you Love and Light Dawn0 — "Life happens while you’re busy planning other things" John Lennon

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My dear Aunt had open heart surgery developed a clot and had to have a second surgery.  She is on a respirator and her brain has swelled.  She is not responding to any commands. My cousin called last night and it is not looking good. Thank you Love and Light Dawn0 — "Life happens while you’re busy planning other things" John Lennon

(((((((((Dawn))))))))))  You and your family are in my thoughts and prayers.         blondie

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(((((((((Dawn)))))))))) You and your family are in my thoughts and prayers. blondie Mine too. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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oh, dawn, i’m so sorry. your aunt and your family are in my prayers. diane

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My prayers are with you and your family Dawn. Jeannette – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My dear Aunt had open heart surgery developed a clot and had to have a second surgery.  She is on a respirator and her brain has swelled.  She is not responding to any commands. My cousin called last night and it is not looking good. Thank you Love and Light Dawn0 — "Life happens while you’re busy planning other things" John Lennon (((((((((Dawn))))))))))  You and your family are in my thoughts and prayers.         blondie

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You and your aunt have them, Dawn. Best, Larry Try these: http://www.arthritis.org/ http://www.rheumatology.org/index.asp http://www.arthritis.co.za http://www.mayohealth.org/M http://home.earthlink.net/~athleticare/back.html

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My dear Aunt had open heart surgery developed a clot and had to have a second surgery.  She is on a respirator and her brain has swelled.  She is not responding to any commands. My cousin called last night and it is not looking good. Thank you Love and Light Dawn0 — "Life happens while you’re busy planning other things" John Lennon

You have my prayers and best wishes. JDShine

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Hi Ashley, I’m a little late here, but can you get your RD to have a look at you next time you’re in so much pain? My RD has sometimes squeezed me in for a mini appointment the same day or the following day. S/he would then be able to see for her/himself how much pain you are in, and maybe give you a little emergency kit with stronger painkillers or an injection of something. Pred is nasty, but a short burst can really be effective when the pain is too bad. My sister’s gastro sounds like your RD. He didn’t give her other painkillers than Tylenol for acute Crohn’s pain, but she has gone to the ER a couple of times when the pain has been too severe (though mostly in order to exclude any dangerous injury to the bowels). They usually give her a shot of a very strong painkiller, which would remove all pain within 10 minutes and make her very sleepy. Last time she was there, another gastro doc thought it was crazy that she didn’t have anything stronger than Tylenol at home for her pain, so she got a pack of codeine-based pills. Nina – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think that sleep was indeed the answer. I took an 8-hour nap, which means I slept all day!! However, I’m still very drowsy so sleep should be easy tonight. I am feeling loads better, which may be the conjuction of my dose of Humira, sleep, regular meds + vicodin. I’ve been sleep deprived for so long that I think my body was just giving out. I’m in a minor flare right now (at a 5), but that is a lot better than I was earlier!!! Thank you for the prayers & hugs…. I love you all AshleyC Ashley C. www.ashleycanterbury.com www.livejournal.com/~ashleyc www.livejournal.com/~ashleyc_medical | I also notice increased perception of pain when I have not been | sleeping….also if I decide that I am super Alix and go full tilt | bozo–usually I end up hitting the wall and sliding down.  Been in a bit of | a flare–so MTX is increased….he is talking Remicade….but…..it felt | like I have been spiraling down….hate that feeling–not that I mind | another med–but it feels like another rung of the ladder is chopped out | some good rest honey chile…. | | Alix | | |

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Sending Good Thoughts, {{{{Ashley C.}}}} GramPaHugs, Alex, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you could say a prayer for me I’d appreciate it. I’m battling my doctors over meds right now, and I’m trying to seek a second opinion from another RD. The problem is that my RD is the ONLY one in our medical group, and I think I have to go out of network to see another one. My normally accomodating PCP swears that my RD is the best there is. *sigh* I just need to pain so stop for a few hours so I can get some rest. My PCP wrote me an rx for vicodin last week, but that only takes the edge off, it doesn’t even get rid of the pain. My RD thinks that my pain can be solved with tylenol. That gave me a good laugh!! I’m frustrated & tired. Ashley C. Ashley C. www.ashleycanterbury.com www.livejournal.com/~ashleyc www.livejournal.com/~ashleyc_medical

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I also notice increased perception of pain when I have not been sleeping….also if I decide that I am super Alix and go full tilt bozo–usually I end up hitting the wall and sliding down.  Been in a bit of a flare–so MTX is increased….he is talking Remicade….but…..it felt like I have been spiraling down….hate that feeling–not that I mind another med–but it feels like another rung of the ladder is chopped out some good rest honey chile…. Alix

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I think that sleep was indeed the answer. I took an 8-hour nap, which means I slept all day!! However, I’m still very drowsy so sleep should be easy tonight. I am feeling loads better, which may be the conjuction of my dose of Humira, sleep, regular meds + vicodin. I’ve been sleep deprived for so long that I think my body was just giving out. I’m in a minor flare right now (at a 5), but that is a lot better than I was earlier!!! Thank you for the prayers & hugs…. I love you all AshleyC Ashley C. www.ashleycanterbury.com www.livejournal.com/~ashleyc www.livejournal.com/~ashleyc_medical | I also notice increased perception of pain when I have not been | sleeping….also if I decide that I am super Alix and go full tilt | bozo–usually I end up hitting the wall and sliding down.  Been in a bit of | a flare–so MTX is increased….he is talking Remicade….but…..it felt | like I have been spiraling down….hate that feeling–not that I mind | another med–but it feels like another rung of the ladder is chopped out | some good rest honey chile…. | | Alix | | |

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Ashley, I am sorry to hear this.  Never heard of a doc thinking tylenol would take care of major pain.  Hope you find an answer. debbie m. http://www.angelfire.com/ga2/angels1/

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Asley C, wrong with your computer???? Agata

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Use her arthritisinsight one — the one at the top of her post is just as useless as mine is. And yet the spammers have found me. go figure Duckie Asley C, wrong with your computer???? Agata

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thanx, Caroline. Actually I came to this idea after I had sent the post :-/  I could be quicker with coming to some ideas ;-) Greetings from Germany, Agata

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Meee Too, Nann,     Except I’ll take a coupla Benedryl to knock me out and lower the pain levels by getting a better nite’s rest.     Lack of good sleep can really punch up the pain levels for me.     Hope your flaring eases soon, Ashley. Gentle Hugs from Rosie — "If you wanna get it done, you gotta fight for yourself." — Meat Loaf, Bat Outta Hell II

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you could say a prayer for me I’d appreciate it. I’m battling my doctors over meds right now, and I’m trying to seek a second opinion from another RD. The problem is that my RD is the ONLY one in our medical group, and I think I have to go out of network to see another one. My normally accomodating PCP swears that my RD is the best there is. *sigh* I just need to pain so stop for a few hours so I can get some rest. My PCP wrote me an rx for vicodin last week, but that only takes the edge off, it doesn’t even get rid of the pain. My RD thinks that my pain can be solved with tylenol. That gave me a good laugh!! I’m frustrated & tired. Ashley C. Prayers are coming.  Also, how are you sleeping? I’m just asking because every time my sleep starts getting messed up, I feel the pain a whole lot more.  I have differing strategies for getting sleep whe i need it, lately it’s been Mike’s leftover restoril and it makes the days a lot easier. — Nann remove the Gator cheer to email me I like nonsense; it wakes up the brain cells. – Dr Suess

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f you could say a prayer for me I’d appreciate it. I’m battling my doctors over meds right now, My PCP wrote me an rx for vicodin last week, but that only takes the edge off, it doesn’t even get rid of the pain

In all honesty, Sugar, sometimes the best we can hope for is to take the edge off. You were doing so WELL just a little while ago.  What happened? I hope things  calm down for you, very soon. Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’.  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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If you could say a prayer for me I’d appreciate it. I’m battling my doctors over meds right now, and I’m trying to seek a second opinion from another RD. The problem is that my RD is the ONLY one in our medical group, and I think I have to go out of network to see another one. My normally accomodating PCP swears that my RD is the best there is. *sigh* I just need to pain so stop for a few hours so I can get some rest. My PCP wrote me an rx for vicodin last week, but that only takes the edge off, it doesn’t even get rid of the pain. My RD thinks that my pain can be solved with tylenol. That gave me a good laugh!! I’m frustrated & tired. Ashley C.

Prayers are coming.  Also, how are you sleeping? I’m just asking because every time my sleep starts getting messed up, I feel the pain a whole lot more.  I have differing strategies for getting sleep whe i need it, lately it’s been Mike’s leftover restoril and it makes the days a lot easier. — Nann remove the Gator cheer to email me I like nonsense; it wakes up the brain cells. – Dr Suess

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If you could say a prayer for me I’d appreciate it. I’m battling my doctors over meds right now, and I’m trying to seek a second opinion from another RD. The problem is that my RD is the ONLY one in our medical group, and I think I have to go out of network to see another one. My normally accomodating PCP swears that my RD is the best there is. *sigh* I just need to pain so stop for a few hours so I can get some rest. My PCP wrote me an rx for vicodin last week, but that only takes the edge off, it doesn’t even get rid of the pain. My RD thinks that my pain can be solved with tylenol. That gave me a good laugh!! I’m frustrated & tired. Ashley C. Ashley C. www.ashleycanterbury.com www.livejournal.com/~ashleyc www.livejournal.com/~ashleyc_medical

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Call your local Mariott and see if they have a program where you can pay to use their pool. Ours does and for one day use it is $10 but they also have memberships as well. Just thinking that it would be a $10 well spent. There is a sauna, whirlpool, gym with bicycles, and treadmills, and a gym with weights [never been in that] and this huge pool. The best part is the very clean bathroom with showers. Plenty of towels, shampoo and soup in push button things on the wall, hair dryers. Go treat yourself to time in the pool and then whirlpool. A lovely warm shower and then home for a nap. Duckie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you could say a prayer for me I’d appreciate it. I’m battling my doctors over meds right now, and I’m trying to seek a second opinion from another RD. The problem is that my RD is the ONLY one in our medical group, and I think I have to go out of network to see another one. My normally accomodating PCP swears that my RD is the best there is. *sigh* I just need to pain so stop for a few hours so I can get some rest. My PCP wrote me an rx for vicodin last week, but that only takes the edge off, it doesn’t even get rid of the pain. My RD thinks that my pain can be solved with tylenol. That gave me a good laugh!! I’m frustrated & tired. Ashley C. Ashley C. www.ashleycanterbury.com www.livejournal.com/~ashleyc www.livejournal.com/~ashleyc_medical

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Off to the emergency room to see if my 84 year old dad has broken his hip. I will update you tonight or tomorrow morning. Thanks, debbie m. — http://www.angelfire.com/ga2/angels1/

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Off to the emergency room to see if my 84 year old dad has broken his hip. I will update you tonight or tomorrow morning.

Good thoughts headed your way! Please keep us posted! ~KJ Akron, Ohio http://arthritisinsight.com Knowledge is power…support is essential. My daughter, Student Ambassador: http://members.aol.com/krissyjo/ambassador.html See my pond: http://members.aol.com/KrissyJo/ponds.html

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Praying for your dad, Debbie. Gwen

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Sending prayers and positive thoughts for your Dad, Debbie.                                             Be well,  Patty :) *~A friend is someone who reaches out for your hand, and touches your heart.~*

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Sending good thoughts, GramPaHugs, Alex, Off to the emergency room to see if my 84 year old dad has broken his hip. I will update you tonight or tomorrow morning. Thanks, debbie m. — http://www.angelfire.com/ga2/angels1/

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Off to the emergency room to see if my 84 year old dad has broken his hip. I will update you tonight or tomorrow morning. Thanks, debbie m. —

You got em Debbie.  Slipps and falls are going to be the down fall of us all. Harv

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Just got off the phone with a close friend.  Her mother was waiting for tests to determine the status of a spot on her lung.  They just rushed her into emergency with breathing problems.  Am trying to decide whether to wait for further phone call or just head over there… Please hold her in your thoughts and prayers. Thank you all, Janet N.

Hi Janet,  Sure will.  Please update us on how it goes. Harv

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She is already being prayed for, Janet. So are your friend and you.   Gwen

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You got it Janet. Not sure what I would do but probably I would head over if it wasn’t too far. Your friend my need you hand to hold and then you can disappear later. Duckie Just got off the phone with a close friend.  Her mother was waiting for tests to determine the status of a spot on her lung.  They just rushed her into emergency with breathing problems.  Am trying to decide whether to wait for further phone call or just head over there… Please hold her in your thoughts and prayers. Thank you all, Janet N.

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Do prayers do any good if you are an atheist? :=) Bill

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Do prayers do any good if you are an atheist? :=) Bill

LOLOL Who is doing the praying?  LOLOL Who is being prayed for?  I can pray for atheist and not worry about the outcome.  I did what I could for them and maybe God will show mercy anyway…..  I can not speak for people that are atheists but I can pray for them.  Does that help Bill? Harv

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Just got off the phone with a close friend.  Her mother was waiting for tests to determine the status of a spot on her lung.  They just rushed her into emergency with breathing problems.  Am trying to decide whether to wait for further phone call or just head over there… Please hold her in your thoughts and prayers. Thank you all, Janet N.

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Good wishes and healing vibes headed there. I’d recommend staying on standby just in case it’s really bad and your pal needs ya lots. Or it’s not very bad and you find you’re in the way. Hopin’ it all works out OK. Featherhuggings from Rosie — "If you wanna get it done, you gotta fight for yourself."  — Meat Loaf, Bat Outta Hell II

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I will be having heart catherization on Monday and will appreciate your prayers in my behalf.  I’ve had a heart attack and two angioplastys, the last one with stent because the blockage in large front artery was so long.  That’s also where the new blockage is and if it’s too large or too long for another angioplasty, will need open heart surgery.  Am hoping that won’t be necessary. Thanks.  Gwen Love Happy memories never wear out…re-live them as often as you want. .

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I will be having heart catherization on Monday and will appreciate your prayers in my behalf.  I’ve had a heart attack and two angioplastys, the last one with stent because the blockage in large front artery was so long.  That’s also where the new blockage is and if it’s too large or too long for another angioplasty, will need open heart surgery.  Am hoping that won’t be necessary. Thanks.  Gwen Love Happy memories never wear out…re-live them as often as you want. .

Gwen, all kinds of prayers and positive energy coming your way! Please let us know how you are doing after the procedure.(((Gwen))) Kellann

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Gwen Love writes: I will be having heart catherization on Monday

Gwen,   All of my prayers will be with you on Monday. Good luck! I hope things turn out just fine.                                            Be well,  Patty :) *~A friend is someone who reaches out for your hand, and touches your heart.~*

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Gwen, sending prayers your way!   Hugs too!  {{{{{Gwen}}}}}         :O)  Mary Lynn (mlh)  (O:  :O)  "Of all the things I’ve lost, I miss my mind the most"  :O)                            (remove ma in email address)

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Got them coming back at you–like they were for me and mine.

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Gwen: My prayers are with you……I hope everything comes out ok.  Hope you can have a restful weekend knowing what’s coming up Monday.  Blessings. Jeannette Olson – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will be having heart catherization on Monday and will appreciate your prayers in my behalf.  I’ve had a heart attack and two angioplastys, the last one with stent because the blockage in large front artery was so long.  That’s also where the new blockage is and if it’s too large or too long for another angioplasty, will need open heart surgery.  Am hoping that won’t be necessary. Thanks.  Gwen Love Happy memories never wear out…re-live them as often as you want. . Gwen, all kinds of prayers and positive energy coming your way! Please let us know how you are doing after the procedure.(((Gwen))) Kellann

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Good thoughts and prayers for you! Tami

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Gwen, Missed your original post so I hope you get this over the weekend.  I’ll be thinking of you on Monday. — K.C. Washington State in the beautiful Columbia River Gorge – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gwen Love wrote I will be having heart catherization on Monday and will appreciate your prayers in my behalf.

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Good luck, and prayers Gwen. Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’.  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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I will be having heart catherization on Monday and will appreciate your prayers in my behalf.  I’ve had a heart attack and two angioplastys, the last one with stent because the blockage in large front artery was so long.  That’s also where the new blockage is and if it’s too large or too long for another angioplasty, will need open heart surgery.  Am hoping that won’t be necessary. Thanks.  Gwen Love Happy memories never wear out…re-live them as often as you want.

Dear Gwen our thoughts are with you and hope you will not need the big op, my hubbie went through the same thing a couple of years ago, but he is just fine now, God bless and take care of you Love From Cathy xxx – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -.

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I will be having heart catherization on Monday and will appreciate your prayers in my behalf.  I’ve had a heart attack and two angioplastys, the last one with stent because the blockage in large front artery was so long.  That’s also where the new blockage is and if it’s too large or too long for another angioplasty, will need open heart surgery.  Am hoping that won’t be necessary. Thanks.  Gwen Love Happy memories never wear out…re-live them as often as you want. .

You’ll have top billing for the entire weekend. JDShine

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Gwen, My prayers and thoughts will be going your way! Good luck, julie molli                                                   I will be having heart catherization on Monday and will appreciate your – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -prayers

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I will be having heart catherization on Monday and will appreciate your prayers in my behalf.  I’ve had a heart attack and two angioplastys, the last one with stent because the blockage in large front artery was so long.  That’s also where the new blockage is and if it’s too large or too long for another angioplasty, will need open heart surgery.  Am hoping that won’t be necessary. Thanks.  Gwen Love Happy memories never wear out…re-live them as often as you want.

Oh Gwen, you’re in my thoughts and prayers.  What I’m going through pales in comparison.  I’m tugging for you mightily! {{{{{Gwen}}}}} Kitt

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Will do.  Hang in there Gwen.  Be sure and have someone tell us how you did, but you just rest. Walt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will be having heart catherization on Monday and will appreciate your prayers in my behalf.  I’ve had a heart attack and two angioplastys, the last one with stent because the blockage in large front artery was so long.  That’s also where the new blockage is and if it’s too large or too long for another angioplasty, will need open heart surgery.  Am hoping that won’t be necessary. Thanks.  Gwen Love

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{{{{{{{Gwen}}}}}} You & your will be in our prayers. Even your name brings happiness. Belinda

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Gwen, I shall be thinking of you and praying as well that the hands that help you on Monday are doind everything as they should. Just give me a shout if anyne upsets you and I have my cast all ready to kick some rear ends!!!! Love to a LOVE, ConnieD.

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I will be having heart catherization on Monday and will appreciate your prayers in my behalf.  I’ve had a heart attack and two angioplastys, the last one with stent because the blockage in large front artery was so long.  That’s also where the new blockage is and if it’s too large or too long for another angioplasty, will need open heart surgery.  Am hoping that won’t be necessary. Thanks.  Gwen Love Happy memories never wear out…re-live them as often as you want. .

My prayers and best wishes for a successful treatment and speedy recovery, Gwen!            blondie

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Monday. Let us know how things went as soon as possible. Caroline – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will be having heart catherization on Monday and will appreciate your prayers in my behalf.  I’ve had a heart attack and two angioplastys, the last one with stent because the blockage in large front artery was so long.  That’s also where the new blockage is and if it’s too large or too long for another angioplasty, will need open heart surgery.  Am hoping that won’t be necessary. Thanks.  Gwen Love Happy memories never wear out…re-live them as often as you want. .

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Dang, Gwen!  Sorry you need a catheter.  They suck big time! Hang tough! -g- Kitty

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Sending good thoughts your way! Keep Smilin’ ~Krissy Akron, Ohio Senior Editor http://www.arthritiswebsite.com

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I will be praying for you Gwen.  Please let us know how things turn out! Tina

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Gwen……. you will be in the thoughts and in the prayers of many of your asa friends. barbtoo

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So Gwen, how did it go? Walt I will be having heart catherization on Monday and will appreciate your prayers in my behalf.  I’ve had a heart attack and two angioplastys, the last one with stent because the blockage in large front artery was so long.  That’s also where the new blockage is and if it’s too large or too long for another angioplasty, will need open heart surgery.  Am hoping that won’t be necessary. Thanks.  Gwen Love Happy memories never wear out…re-live them as often as you want. .

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Gwen, you’re probably on your way to surgery right now.  But you’re in my prayers.  I’ll be tugging for you, and hope to hear some good news when you return home. {{{{{{{Gwen}}}}}}} Kitt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I will be having heart catherization on Monday and will appreciate your prayers in my behalf.  I’ve had a heart attack and two angioplastys, the last one with stent because the blockage in large front artery was so long.  That’s also where the new blockage is and if it’s too large or too long for another angioplasty, will need open heart surgery.  Am hoping that won’t be necessary. Thanks.  Gwen Love Happy memories never wear out…re-live them as often as you want.

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Our prayers and thoughts are with him and you. DeeTee – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I need to ask that everyone put my daughter’s new father-in-law in their prayers. Two weeks ago, he donated bone marrow to a complete stranger. Saturday he married his middle son to my sweet Jennifer. This morning he had a heart attack which the cardiologist is attributing to internal bleeding from the bone marrow transplant.  He had his heart attack at the hospital and they were able to save him but did tell Linda, that had he not been there when it happened that in all likelihood he would not have made it. They are running tests now to find the site of the bleeding and will know more this afternoon. Right now I do know that this great ASA group has a wonderful power when it comes to prayers and I ask you now to include Tom Sarre [pronounced like Car]. I will pop in later when I find out more for an update. Thank you for being there when I need you. Caroline

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BJ, Caroline’s husband was not the one who had the heart attack.  It was her new SIL’s father.  Just wanted you to know that. Jeannette

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I miss you all too — still lurking a bit and reading.  I needed the laughs [the puns were good]. Really sleepy as I have been up since a bit before 5 this morning so I think I am heading to bed.  I think I am going to print out all your responses to my request for prayers and save them for Tom. Thanks again. I love you guys a great deal. Caroline – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I do miss you.  Soon you will be able to get back to posting again regularly. Take care. Love, Jeannette

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Caroline, I’m so impressed. Sending good thoughts to Tom Sarre and your family. Norio – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I need to ask that everyone put my daughter’s new father-in-law in their prayers.

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I need to ask that everyone put my daughter’s new father-in-law in their prayers. Two weeks ago, he donated bone marrow to a complete stranger. Saturday he married his middle son to my sweet Jennifer. This morning he had a heart attack which the cardiologist is attributing to internal bleeding from the bone marrow transplant.  He had his heart attack at the hospital and they were able to save him but did tell Linda, that had he not been there when it happened that in all likelihood he would not have made it. They are running tests now to find the site of the bleeding and will know more this afternoon. Right now I do know that this great ASA group has a wonderful power when it comes to prayers and I ask you now to include Tom Sarre [pronounced like Car]. I will pop in later when I find out more for an update. Thank you for being there when I need you. Caroline

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Caroline: So good to hear from you.  I am glad that Tom is doing better.  I did not realize that Jen and Jeff did not know what happened.  Are you relaxing now? At least until they get back from their honeymoon?   Congraulations on your 29th wedding anniversary.  May you have at least 29 more wonderful years together. My folks are celebrating their 60th in August.  We are planning a small party. We had a big shabang for their 50th.  It turned into a two day affair.  We had a limo for them to take them to the dinner, complements of my uncle.  It was all very special.  This one will be a on a much smaller scale.  We will have it at the Country Club where I had my reception and just family and a few close friends.  Just an afternoon thing.  I will do invitations and flowers etc.  It seems like just yesterday we had their 50th party.  I was just saying to Ed last week, lets get divorced so we can have another wedding.  Now I can focus on my folks party.  You know us Leos, we love that sort of thing.  My husband will probably provide the entertainment.  He usually does at family gatherings.  He plays guitar, sings, plays fiddle and mandalin.  He’s a one man band.  He needs some new material though.  His stuff is getting old.  He really enjoys getting up there and performing though.   Anyway, all is well on this planet Wisconsin except all the rain.  It has finally stopped for a day.  I told others I am building an ark, all are welcome pet and all. I do miss you.  Soon you will be able to get back to posting again regularly. Take care. Love, Jeannette

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He! Caroline! I am just reading the posts,about your husband who was a bone marrow donor. That is so commendable,and I applaud him trememdously. It is so needed in our Society! More compassion,for we never know when we or one of our loved ones may need that help so badly! I am sorry he had to have the Heartattack,but glad he is better.Hopefully he will regain his strength,with proper eating befavior and proper exercise. I have a friend who went through a bone marrow transplant 8 yrs.ago.The Drs. used her own bone marrow,so she didn’t need a donor. So far.she is the longest living  Bonemarrow Transplant,survivor! My prayers go out to you and your families! Much success in your daughters’ marriage! I can relate somewhat,because I had a Triple Bypass Heart Surgery,in 1993. In 1986, my car was hit by a train,so I still have problems from that,not to mention little things like,arthritis,herniated disk in my back,degerative hip disease that are a daily reminder! Take care of that guy of yours and you stay well too! ((((HUGS))))  BJ

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tom is resting well and actually looks good. Apparently through all of this he was worried about the tux of John’s that he was going to take back because my husband flew to CA this morning. Linda said it was the first thing out of his mouth when he was revived after flat lining. Silly boy. Anyway, I took the tux back and found out the hospital was just around the corner so I took him some flowers. The first thing he said to me as I rounded the corner of the room "Did you take the tux back". The whole room laughed at that one. Told him not to get up when we got to the room which made him laugh. We stayed only long enough to blow him kisses and leave the flowers. They are doing some sort of test tomorrow which Linda couldn’t seem to remember the name of and with a bit of probing I couldn’t figure out but we all hope to have more information then.  She did say it was a wake up call to them both as they did not eat the right things or exercise. She drove him herself to the emergency room and they arrived just in time. He has been having chest pains which worsened and as they neared 495, she said she asked him about pain in his arm to which he had a positive response. To this she says to herself "Well this is not good" — what an understatement. I wish she had had one of her other boys stay. They had both come up for the wedding but she sent them home. Said she didn’t want to have to wait on anyone and would rather be alone.  Is that a boy thing? I actually can’t imagine Jeff not helping out as he cheerfully does so here but she may have not allowed them to help her to the point that they don’t even try to do anything now.  Jen would not have let Jeff leave his mother at a time like this — I can’t imagine what those other girlfriends were thinking. At any rate, tonight was the first formal night on board as they leave St. Thomas. Told Jen to wear her tightest dress today as she would not be able to climb into it at the end of the cruise. LOL We have not called them — there is absolutely nothing they could do and it would only worry them. I know Jen would try to get back. Linda has put her foot down about anyone telling them and I agree with her. We are taking things one day at a time. Please keep up your prayers. We all appreciate them. Thanks again for being there. Caroline ps Today was my 29th wedding anniversary and my life and love is in CA tonight. I wrote out a card to him last night and tucked it into his lap top as a surprise. Told me today that it made him cry right there on the airplane. I love my honey.

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Caroline, Mr. Sarre is in my prayers and I hope he will have a full recovery. Sounds like a special guy!         :O)  Mary Lynn  (mlh)  (O:  :O)  "Of all the things I’ve lost, I miss my mind the most"  :O)                            (remove ma in email address)

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What a brave and kind man Tom Sarre is. I pray he makes a full recovery.                   Ally

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Hi Caroline, I do my best praying on the golf course, but I will give it my best shot in lieu of being out there on the course. I hope He can hear me from here, I probably don’t speak as loud! :-) Gary

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I’ll be praying for Tom- what a miraculous thing he did by donating bone marrow. Kate    Send in the clowns I will not drag you along; I will not leave you alone; I will stand by you and have my hand there for you to hold when you need it.

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Keeping Tom and both families in my thoughts. ~Krissy Akron, Ohio http://arthritisinsight.com Knowledge is power…support is essential.

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{{{{Caroline}}}}…   I’m adding Tom Sarre, your daughter and son-in-law and all of both of your families to my prayers. What a great guy he must be to do this wonderful deed for a stranger. God IS watching over him, I just know it.                                             Be well,  Patty :) *~A friend is someone who reaches out for your hand, and touches your heart.~*

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I’ll be praying as well…what an inspiration to others. It’s not an easy thing to do and I have heard it can be quite painful. May god heal both donor and receiver quickly and comfortably. peace and love Lorraine  

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Tom is resting well and actually looks good. Apparently through all of this he was worried about the tux of John’s that he was going to take back because my husband flew to CA this morning. Linda said it was the first thing out of his mouth when he was revived after flat lining. Silly boy. Anyway, I took the tux back and found out the hospital was just around the corner so I took him some flowers. The first thing he said to me as I rounded the corner of the room "Did you take the tux back". The whole room laughed at that one. Told him not to get up when we got to the room which made him laugh. We stayed only long enough to blow him kisses and leave the flowers. They are doing some sort of test tomorrow which Linda couldn’t seem to remember the name of and with a bit of probing I couldn’t figure out but we all hope to have more information then.  She did say it was a wake up call to them both as they did not eat the right things or exercise. She drove him herself to the emergency room and they arrived just in time. He has been having chest pains which worsened and as they neared 495, she said she asked him about pain in his arm to which he had a positive response. To this she says to herself "Well this is not good" — what an understatement. I wish she had had one of her other boys stay. They had both come up for the wedding but she sent them home. Said she didn’t want to have to wait on anyone and would rather be alone.  Is that a boy thing? I actually can’t imagine Jeff not helping out as he cheerfully does so here but she may have not allowed them to help her to the point that they don’t even try to do anything now.  Jen would not have let Jeff leave his mother at a time like this — I can’t imagine what those other girlfriends were thinking. At any rate, tonight was the first formal night on board as they leave St. Thomas. Told Jen to wear her tightest dress today as she would not be able to climb into it at the end of the cruise. LOL We have not called them — there is absolutely nothing they could do and it would only worry them. I know Jen would try to get back. Linda has put her foot down about anyone telling them and I agree with her. We are taking things one day at a time. Please keep up your prayers. We all appreciate them. Thanks again for being there. Caroline ps Today was my 29th wedding anniversary and my life and love is in CA tonight. I wrote out a card to him last night and tucked it into his lap top as a surprise. Told me today that it made him cry right there on the airplane. I love my honey.

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Caroline, I have "activated" my prayer circle so know that many prayers are being said–for Tom, but also for all of you to have courage and trust in the coming days. Blessings, Donna – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I need to ask that everyone put my daughter’s new father-in-law in their prayers. Two weeks ago, he donated bone marrow to a complete stranger. Saturday he married his middle son to my sweet Jennifer. This morning he had a heart attack which the cardiologist is attributing to internal bleeding from the bone marrow transplant.  He had his heart attack at the hospital and they were able to save him but did tell Linda, that had he not been there when it happened that in all likelihood he would not have made it. They are running tests now to find the site of the bleeding and will know more this afternoon. Right now I do know that this great ASA group has a wonderful power when it comes to prayers and I ask you now to include Tom Sarre [pronounced like Car]. I will pop in later when I find out more for an update. Thank you for being there when I need you. Caroline

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I need to ask that everyone put my daughter’s new father-in-law in their prayers. Two weeks ago, he donated bone marrow to a complete stranger. Saturday he married his middle son to my sweet Jennifer. This morning he had a heart attack which the cardiologist is attributing to internal bleeding from the bone marrow transplant.  He had his heart attack at the hospital and they were able to save him but did tell Linda, that had he not been there when it happened that in all likelihood he would not have made it. They are running tests now to find the site of the bleeding and will know more this afternoon. Right now I do know that this great ASA group has a wonderful power when it comes to prayers and I ask you now to include Tom Sarre [pronounced like Car]. I will pop in later when I find out more for an update. Thank you for being there when I need you. Caroline

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I need to ask that everyone put my daughter’s new father-in-law in their prayers

{{{{{{Caroline}}}}}} My thoughts, and prayers, will be coming your way.

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Prayers are on the way from this end, for your daughter’s FIL, as well as the whole family.            Blondie — Life is a mixture of living and longing, learning and growing, with loving and laughing filling the gaps in between~

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(((Mr. Sarre))) Prayers and healing thoughts are headed his way, Caroline. Kellann;o) PS-Thanks for sharing your stories of the wedding. They were fun to read.<g – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I need to ask that everyone put my daughter’s new father-in-law in their prayers. Two weeks ago, he donated bone marrow to a complete stranger. Saturday he married his middle son to my sweet Jennifer. This morning he had a heart attack which the cardiologist is attributing to internal bleeding from the bone marrow transplant.  He had his heart attack at the hospital and they were able to save him but did tell Linda, that had he not been there when it happened that in all likelihood he would not have made it. They are running tests now to find the site of the bleeding and will know more this afternoon. Right now I do know that this great ASA group has a wonderful power when it comes to prayers and I ask you now to include Tom Sarre [pronounced like Car]. I will pop in later when I find out more for an update. Thank you for being there when I need you. Caroline

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In my prayers, sometimes life is just not fair to people that go the extra mile for someone else but doing the mile is what makes up some peoples way of life and he would probably do the same thing again. Harv – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I need to ask that everyone put my daughter’s new father-in-law in their prayers. Two weeks ago, he donated bone marrow to a complete stranger. Saturday he married his middle son to my sweet Jennifer. This morning he had a heart attack which the cardiologist is attributing to internal bleeding from the bone marrow transplant.  He had his heart attack at the hospital and they were able to save him but did tell Linda, that had he not been there when it happened that in all likelihood he would not have made it. They are running tests now to find the site of the bleeding and will know more this afternoon. Right now I do know that this great ASA group has a wonderful power when it comes to prayers and I ask you now to include Tom Sarre [pronounced like Car]. I will pop in later when I find out more for an update. Thank you for being there when I need you. Caroline

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Gosh Caroline, what an awful thing to happen right after the wedding.  He will surely be our thoughts and prayers. Lovingly, Jeannette

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Caroline, Dawn0 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I need to ask that everyone put my daughter’s new father-in-law in their prayers. Two weeks ago, he donated bone marrow to a complete stranger. Saturday he married his middle son to my sweet Jennifer. This morning he had a heart attack which the cardiologist is attributing to internal bleeding from the bone marrow transplant.  He had his heart attack at the hospital and they were able to save him but did tell Linda, that had he not been there when it happened that in all likelihood he would not have made it. They are running tests now to find the site of the bleeding and will know more this afternoon. Right now I do know that this great ASA group has a wonderful power when it comes to prayers and I ask you now to include Tom Sarre [pronounced like Car]. I will pop in later when I find out more for an update. Thank you for being there when I need you. Caroline

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I need to ask that everyone put my daughter’s new father-in-law in their prayers.

[snip] Mr. Sarre will be in my prayers as will the newlyweds and the entire family. JDShine

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Caroline, prayers are sent their way and hugs to you.  Hang in there. They, the docs, will find the answer.   God bless them all… Janers

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You know that I have mentioned my friend Dolly before with her dissolvable ankle tendons. Her surgery for breast cancer is early Tuesday morning. If you could all say a prayer for her, I would greatly appreciate it. Duckie

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Done, Duckie. Gwen

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Sending Good Thoughts, {{{{{Dolly, Caroline}}}}} GramPaHugs, Alex, You know that I have mentioned my friend Dolly before with her dissolvable ankle tendons. Her surgery for breast cancer is early Tuesday morning. If you could all say a prayer for her, I would greatly appreciate it. Duckie

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Sending good thoughts. ~KJ Akron, Ohio http://arthritisinsight.com Knowledge is power…support is essential. Tina’s Togs http://tinastogs.com Quality Plus Size and Vintage Fashions Coming soon to a puter near you!

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Prayers being said for a successful outcome.  Will be watching for update and hoping for the best. Ann

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You know that I have mentioned my friend Dolly before with her dissolvable ankle tendons. Her surgery for breast cancer is early Tuesday morning. If you could all say a prayer for her, I would greatly appreciate it. Duckie

I will be thinking of her. Rose

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says… Her surgery for breast cancer is early Tuesday morning. If you could all say a prayer for her, I would greatly appreciate it.

Done prayers headed due east to Mass. — MZ   — Visit my website: http://www.mzuschlag.com

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You know that I have mentioned my friend Dolly before with her dissolvable ankle tendons. Her surgery for breast cancer is early Tuesday morning. If you could all say a prayer for her, I would greatly appreciate it. Duckie

and for you to Ducky. Harv

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You know that I have mentioned my friend Dolly before with her dissolvable ankle tendons. Her surgery for breast cancer is early Tuesday morning. If you could all say a prayer for her, I would greatly appreciate it. Duckie

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Sending prayers! How is she doing? Hoping your hills are never too steep! Be well, Patty

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Prayers are going your way. Shirley R. Can you also send some prayers out for my husband Peter? we just learned that he has colon cancer. The tumor is at the end of the colon so he’ll have to wear a cloistral bag. we’re not sure when he’ll be going into the hospital, the dr’s have to decide how they are going to do it because he has C.O.P.D. they have to contact his Repertory Specialist, before they can do the surgery. they are also thinking of shrinking the tumor before they take it out so there is less chance of it spreading. Thanks. Shirley R. Kelowna B.C. Canada.

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Prayers are on the way for you both. My friend just lost here husband of 60 years due to heart failure. He had been wearing a bag for over 20 years and was in his mid 90’s when he died. Tell Peter I will be thinking of him. Duckie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroups: alt.support.arthritis Prayers are going your way. Shirley R. Can you also send some prayers out for my husband Peter? we just learned that he has colon cancer. The tumor is at the end of the colon so he’ll have to wear a cloistral bag. we’re not sure when he’ll be going into the hospital, the dr’s have to decide how they are going to do it because he has C.O.P.D. they have to contact his Repertory Specialist, before they can do the surgery. they are also thinking of shrinking the tumor before they take it out so there is less chance of it spreading. Thanks. Shirley R. Kelowna B.C. Canada.

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Can you also send some prayers out for my husband Peter? we just learned that he has colon cancer.

I am so sorry to hear that Shirley. I don’t know what is going on this year, but it seems like so many are going through a bad period. I sincerely hope that they are able to get all the cancer and the surgery will take care of the problem. Rose

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Well, she is now home and doing well. They won’t know how things are until about four days from now. I hope those pain pills help keep the brain from working overtime. The stress of waiting is cruel IMO. I will update more when I find out more. Thanks to everyone for the prayers. Told Dolly about our prayer circle when I was in NYC. I said as I was saying it that it might sound silly but seemed to be one powerful tool. Dolly said she didn’t think it sounded silly at all and sends her love back to you all. Duckie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Newsgroups: alt.support.arthritis Sending prayers! How is she doing? Hoping your hills are never too steep! Be well, Patty

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Prayers are going your way. Shirley R. Can you also send some prayers out for my husband Peter? we just learned that he has colon cancer. The tumor is at the end of the colon so he’ll have to wear a cloistral bag.

you’ve got it.  Praying for wise and skilled doctors and rapid healing for Peter and for peace of mind for both of you. — Nann remove the Gator cheer to email me It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. – Aristotle

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You got em kiddo.  Keep us updated on what happens. Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’.  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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Sending Good Thoughts, {{{{{Peter & Shirley}}}}} GramPaHugs, Alex, Prayers are going your way. Shirley R. Can you also send some prayers out for my husband Peter? we just learned that he has colon cancer. The tumor is at the end of the colon so he’ll have to wear a cloistral bag. we’re not sure when he’ll be going into the hospital, the dr’s have to decide how they are going to do it because he has C.O.P.D. they have to contact his Repertory Specialist, before they can do the surgery. they are also thinking of shrinking the tumor before they take it out so there is less chance of it spreading. Thanks. Shirley R. Kelowna B.C. Canada.

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they are also thinking of shrinking the tumor before they take it out so there is less chance of it spreading.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Prayers are going your way. Shirley R. Can you also send some prayers out for my husband Peter? we just learned that he has colon cancer. The tumor is at the end of the colon so he’ll have to wear a cloistral bag. we’re not sure when he’ll be going into the hospital, the dr’s have to decide how they are going to do it because he has C.O.P.D. they have to contact his Repertory Specialist, before they can do the surgery. they are also thinking of shrinking the tumor before they take it out so there is less chance of it spreading. Thanks. Shirley R. Kelowna B.C. Canada.

I would seriously consider looking into .. IP6 / phytic acid .. found in any health food store .. http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com/phytate.html http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com/cancerpost.html Who loves ya. Tom Jesus was a vegetarian!   http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Jesus was a vegetarian! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman Moses was a mystic! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman/light.html

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That is such a good idea Doe.  You go look into that – I think that I would choose a health food store far far away. Shirley and Peter, my prayers go to you.  Keep us in touch as to how he is doing Shirley. This is one cancer that can be beaten back.  My family has a strong problem with colon cancer but in each case after surgery has done well and the cancer did not spread. My uncle actually has gone back to work as a logger in the woods with his bag.  As he said it is his life and he is not ready to quit yet. My best wishes. Kelly

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Prayers are going your way. Shirley R. Can you also send some prayers out for my husband Peter? we just learned that he has colon cancer. The tumor is at the end of the colon so he’ll have to wear a cloistral bag. we’re not sure when he’ll be going into the hospital, the dr’s have to decide how they are going to do it because he has C.O.P.D. they have to contact his Repertory Specialist, before they can do the surgery. they are also thinking of shrinking the tumor before they take it out so there is less chance of it spreading. Thanks. Shirley R. Kelowna B.C. Canada. I would seriously consider looking into .. IP6 / phytic acid .. found in any health food store .. http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com/phytate.html http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com/cancerpost.html Who loves ya. Tom Jesus was a vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Jesus was a vegetarian! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman Moses was a mystic! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman/light.html

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alt.support.arthritis: I would seriously consider looking into .. IP6 / phytic acid .. found in any health food store ..

If I were you, Tom, I would seriously consider NOT giving medical advice on the many newsgroups to which you post. Joan

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alt.support.arthritis: I would seriously consider looking into .. IP6 / phytic acid .. found in any health food store .. If I were you, Tom, I would seriously consider NOT giving medical advice on the many newsgroups to which you post.

Medical advice ? Natural supplement isn’t .. medical advice .. and I would seriously consider keeping my advice to myself .. If you don’t mind .. Iron chelators are being used to fight / treat cancer .. Desferal .. a prescribed iron chelator .. WOULD be giving medical advice .. So NOW .. do you understand the difference ..? Grade two stuff .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus was a vegetarian!   http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Jesus was a vegetarian! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman Moses was a mystic! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman/light.html

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alt.support.arthritis: Medical advice ? Natural supplement isn’t .. medical advice .. and I would seriously consider keeping my advice to myself .. If you don’t mind .. Iron chelators are being used to fight / treat cancer .. Desferal .. a prescribed iron chelator .. WOULD be giving medical advice .. So NOW .. do you understand the difference ..? Grade two stuff ..

Tom, supplements can interact with prescribed medications. And you are giving medical advice all the time, telling people what causes diseases and what to do about them. Even innocent little vitamins can be toxic if taken in the wrong dose. Got it? Joan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

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You got it!! I hope the surgery is seccessful.  Best of luck to her (and you). ~Randy~

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whoa, thank you! had the crazy idea just to check it out….thank you! donnah – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Natural supplement isn’t .. medical advice .. and I would seriously consider keeping my advice to myself .. We have been asking for 8 years that you to keep your advice to yourself.  What would it take to make you do so now? WARNING TO EVERYONE ELSE! I went to Tom’s web page and received some spyware cookies.  Once these things are on your computer they are almost impossible to get rid of.  They then send details of all your Internet activities back to their creators, like a virus.  I know how to clean them, most users do not.  Tom’s page is dirty, dirty, dirty.  Look into it, Tom. If anyone has been to his page, find a copy of a program to remove spyware.  One such program is called ad-aware available from http://www.lavasoftusa.com/ . This program is free and will clean Tom’s spyware from your machine.

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We are on our way out the door.  My husband’s sister, my SIL had a serious heart attack last night.  She was found in the grocery store.  She had no heart beat and they had to zap her 6 times before her heart started beating.  She is not conscious and is in the CCU.  The doctor says it does not look good and they do not know if she survives if she will have brain damage.  She is only 56 with a teen age daughter.  She lives 2-3 hours from here.  Please pray for her. Her name is Kathy Chandler.  She is a wonderful, loving, caring woman.  She is a nurse and cares for the elderly.  Don’t know when I will be back.  My husband is in pretty bad shape and I must remain strong for him.  Thank you.

Whatever my prayers are worth, you’ve got them. Julie Carter — You put Ohiohills in; you take the Yahoo out; you put Ohiohills in and you type your message out. You do the Hokey Pokey and you drop Julie a line. That’s what email’s about!

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Consider it done.  I hope she recovers. DeeTee DeeTee and Bob Taggart http://home.earthlink.net/~bdtaggart/

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We are on our way out the door.  My husband’s sister, my SIL had a serious heart attack last night.  She was found in the grocery store.  She had no heart beat and they had to zap her 6 times before her heart started beating.  She is not conscious and is in the CCU.  The doctor says it does not look good and they do not know if she survives if she will have brain damage.  She is only 56 with a teen age daughter.  She lives 2-3 hours from here.  Please pray for her. Her name is Kathy Chandler.  She is a wonderful, loving, caring woman.  She is a nurse and cares for the elderly.  Don’t know when I will be back.  My husband is in pretty bad shape and I must remain strong for him.  Thank you. Sincerely, MOT

Good thoughts are winging your way!

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Prayers are being said for Kathy and the rest of your family. Travel safely. And update us if you can. Duckie We are on our way out the door.  My husband’s sister, my SIL had a serious heart attack last night.  She was found in the grocery store.  She had no heart beat and they had to zap her 6 times before her heart started beating.  She is not conscious and is in the CCU.  The doctor says it does not look good and they do not know if she survives if she will have brain damage.  She is only 56 with a teen age daughter.  She lives 2-3 hours from here.  Please pray for her.  Her name is Kathy Chandler.  She is a wonderful, loving, caring woman.  She is a nurse and cares for the elderly.  Don’t know when I will be back.  My husband is in pretty bad shape and I must remain strong for him.  Thank you. Sincerely, MOT

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Healing wishes and good vibes for yer Sis-in-law, hubby, and you winging their way! Thinking of You Hugs from Rosie — "If you wanna get it done, you gotta fight for yourself."  – Meat Loaf, Bat Outta Hell II

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Prayers have been and will be prayed. Gwen

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I will pray for Kathy and her family that God gives them strength to get through this difficult time. Kate    Send in the clowns I will not drag you along; I will not leave you alone; I will stand by you and have my hand there for you to hold when you need it.

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We are on our way out the door.  My husband’s sister, my SIL had a serious heart attack last night.  

My thoughts are with you and your family during this difficult time. Prayers for a full recovery. Rose

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In my prayers today Mot.  Take it easy yourself as you continue to be there for those that need it in your family.  Let us know how it goes. Harv We are on our way out the door.  My husband’s sister, my SIL had a serious heart attack last night.  She was found in the grocery store.  She had no heart beat and they had to zap her 6 times before her heart started beating.  She is not conscious and is in the CCU.  The doctor says it does not look good and they do not know if she survives if she will have brain damage.  She is only 56 with a teen age daughter.  She lives 2-3 hours from here.  Please pray for her.  Her name is Kathy Chandler.  She is a wonderful, loving, caring woman.  She is a nurse and cares for the elderly.  Don’t know when I will be back.  My husband is in pretty bad shape and I must remain strong for him.  Thank you. Sincerely, MOT

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We are on our way out the door.  My husband’s sister, my SIL had a serious heart attack last night.  She was found in the grocery store.  She had no heart beat and they had to zap her 6 times before her heart started beating.  She is not conscious and is in the CCU.  The doctor says it does not look good and they do not know if she survives if she will have brain damage.  She is only 56 with a teen age daughter.  She lives 2-3 hours from here.  Please pray for her.  Her name is Kathy Chandler.  She is a wonderful, loving, caring woman.  She is a nurse and cares for the elderly.  Don’t know when I will be back.  My husband is in pretty bad shape and I must remain strong for him.  Thank you. Sincerely, MOT

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((((hugs))))  i’m sooo sorry this has happened to your family.  prayers for healing her are on their way.  prayers to support your efforts and your husband’s faith and courage will also be ongoing. kate

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OMG — yes exactly!!!  He stills claims I made up the diagnosis he had 20+ years ago on his knee. He doesn’t remember there actually was a diagnosis. LOL I think it was Reiter’s — I just looked it up. Guess what — that HLA-B27 gene is associated with it which is the only symptom he is having now at 52 is Iritis. Guess he is lucky. The knee swelled up hideously 2 days after he had the flu. It switch knees about a year later. He was on crutches for nearly two years. I remember reading at the time that Reiter’s had been considered a disease that only gays got but that idea was changing. I noticed that that is not even mentioned in the literature anymore. He has never mentioned having any trouble with his penis. But here is the hmmmm on my part. Back 25 years ago, I mention to the NP who was giving me my pelvic that I thought I was allergic to my husband. I told her I was always raw [for lack of a better word] afterward and it was not from overuse but felt like a rash albeit internal. During my examine, she confirmed that I was blood raw red everywhere internally. As 24 hours had not passed, it was very plain to see. She had no suggestions. It was always in the first ejaculation that caused this rash, so if I could get him to put it somewhere else, it never was a problem. Well, this is way too much information but I do think I will mention the whole thing to my RD when I see him. And I think I may print out the information on Reiter’s for my husband. Or maybe not — after all, he feels fine at the moment. Don’t want to rock the boat. :) Duckie

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Duckie….prayers sent for kassie, mom and dad!  Sue

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Duckie Prayers said!  Very nice of you to ask! Angela

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Prayers already on the way, Duckie. Gwen

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prayers were on their way yesterday and are continuing.  (hands were a little sore, so i didn’t mention it when i first read this and lots of other postings i did not type responses to yesterday.)  i agree with you about children and chronic illnesses. kate

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Prayers and {{{hugs}}}}} for Kassie and mom and dad, Linda and Bill going out ASAP.  It is awful for a children to have diabetes so young.  Just not fair. MOT

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little girl is in the hospital because her blood glucose is way too high.

  I’m seeing this a bit late Duckie. How is Kassie doing now? Sending prayers to her and her parents that her glucose gets in quick control and she can go home to her family. It’s so hard when a child is sick : ( Hoping your hills are never too steep! Be well, Patty

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As of yesterday, no one at the studio had heard anything but Linda was not in so was assuming that was not good news. Did find out it was Kassie’s creatinine levels which were high and that she was also running a 104 fever. I hate getting medical information third hand. It is like trying to find out what your husband’s doctor actually said instead of what your husband is actually telling you, if anything. How was the appointment — good. What did the doctor say about X – good. What were his exact words — I can’t remember. …… Duckie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Newsgroups: alt.support.arthritis little girl is in the hospital because her blood glucose is way too high. I’m seeing this a bit late Duckie. How is Kassie doing now? Sending prayers to her and her parents that her glucose gets in quick control and she can go home to her family. It’s so hard when a child is sick : ( Hoping your hills are never too steep! Be well, Patty

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As of yesterday, no one at the studio had heard anything but Linda was not in so was assuming that was not good news. Did find out it was Kassie’s creatinine levels which were high and that she was also running a 104 fever. I hate getting medical information third hand. It is like trying to find out what your husband’s doctor actually said instead of what your husband is actually telling you, if anything. How was the appointment — good. What did the doctor say about X – good. What were his exact words — I can’t remember. …… Duckie

****you have one of those hubbys, too?  they make you have to be there to know anything.   then, they grumble when you listen too well and hear what they don’t want to hear.  sigh . . . kate – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Newsgroups: alt.support.arthritis little girl is in the hospital because her blood glucose is way too high. I’m seeing this a bit late Duckie. How is Kassie doing now? Sending prayers to her and her parents that her glucose gets in quick control and she can go home to her family. It’s so hard when a child is sick : ( Hoping your hills are never too steep! Be well, Patty

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OMG — yes exactly!!!  He stills claims I made up the diagnosis he had 20+ years ago on his knee. He doesn’t remember there actually was a diagnosis. LOL I think it was Reiter’s — I just looked it up. Guess what — that HLA-B27 gene is associated with it which is the only symptom he is having now at 52 is Iritis. Guess he is lucky. The knee swelled up hideously 2 days after he had the flu. It switch knees about a year later. He was on crutches for nearly two years. I remember reading at the time that Reiter’s had been considered a disease that only gays got but that idea was changing. I noticed that that is not even mentioned in the literature anymore. He has never mentioned having any trouble with his penis. But here is the hmmmm on my part. Back 25 years ago, I mention to the NP who was giving me my pelvic that I thought I was allergic to my husband. I told her I was always raw [for lack of a better word] afterward and it was not from overuse but felt like a rash albeit internal. During my examine, she confirmed that I was blood raw red everywhere internally. As 24 hours had not passed, it was very plain to see. She had no suggestions. It was always in the first ejaculation that caused this rash, so if I could get him to put it somewhere else, it never was a problem. Well, this is way too much information but I do think I will mention the whole thing to my RD when I see him. And I think I may print out the information on Reiter’s for my husband. Or maybe not — after all, he feels fine at the moment. Don’t want to rock the boat. :) Duckie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Organization: AT&T Broadband Newsgroups: alt.support.arthritis ****you have one of those hubbys, too?  they make you have to be there to know anything.   then, they grumble when you listen too well and hear what they don’t want to hear.  sigh . . . kate

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Praying that they can figure out what caused this and get things back under control quickly!!!  Sending extra hugs for the family and for you too Duckie!!! Donna G

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Just got back from my dance studio. The owner’s little girl is in the hospital because her blood glucose is way too high. She is diabetic and it had been under control. Today was the first day of school here and she is in first grade. Having a chronic disease is crappy but a child having it, is just down right cruel. I am sure Children’s Hospital will straightened it all out but if you can say a quick prayer for Kassie and her mother, Linda and father, Bill I would appreciate it. Thanks Duckie

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Caroline, This family is in my prayers.  You are very thoughtful. debbie m. — http://www.angelfire.com/ga2/angels1/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just got back from my dance studio. The owner’s little girl is in the hospital because her blood glucose is way too high. She is diabetic and it had been under control. Today was the first day of school here and she is in first grade. Having a chronic disease is crappy but a child having it, is just down right cruel. I am sure Children’s Hospital will straightened it all out but if you can say a quick prayer for Kassie and her mother, Linda and father, Bill I would appreciate it. Thanks Duckie

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Aim, I m a little late in finding this thread but want you to  know Im sending you guys my best thoughts. Sounds like a very special dog. They are amazing and will really surprise you in cases like this. Hope she continues to surprise you everyday. I nearly lost my child hood dog when he was 3. Got run over by a truck pulling a horse trailer. Crushed all the bone in one leg and even though they had to metal rod that one and spend a month nursing him back from a collapsed lung, he lived to be 18 yrs. old and never did stop chasing cars. So, heres hoping Keta just keeps getting stronger every day. johnie

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Anyway, thank you for any prayers and good vibes and whatnot. Please continue em. Keta needs them, and so does her family.

Yes, losing an animal you are that close to, is losing a member of your family.  I wish the dog well, and your Aunt and her family as well. I just hope they keep her quality of life in their thoughts.  It would hurt terribly to lose her, but it would be far worse to hang on to her if she becomes paralyzed or remains in extreme pain.  Quality of life. Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’.  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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Sending prayers that she continue to do well.  I’ve found that vets tend to over estimate how bad the outcome might be in most cases.  They want to make really sure the family is prepared for the worst.  One of my twin 5 lb poodles ruptured a disc in her back about six years ago.  At the moment she is barking her fool head off over absolutely nothing.  And her sister is doing the same.  They’re almost 14, nearly deaf and nearly blind, but sense of taste and smell work just great and they still love to cuddle and keep me sane. Jo

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks everyone who responded, as well as any who didn’t but have been praying. Keta came home today and is able to walk!! She is still very unsteady, and still nowhere near being "out of the woods" as it is still possible that the cord could swell or the disc shift position and further injure her. They have fashioned a brace from stiff foam exercise mats, and are ordering a doggie life jacket that extends from neck to tail in oder to keep her spine from bending. She will be penned for at least a month. She’s on the oxyc*ntin patch as well as massive doses of steroids and other pain meds. So she’s pretty looped, poor baby. But she is home. What I didn’t explain about Keta before is she isn’t "just a dog." This dog helped her mom (my aunt) survive major depression, and she rescued a neighbor from a burglar last year — the burglars were caught, too, because of her. She is like a 100-lb cat, as she was raised by two cats. She and the cats groom each other, and she pounces and chases wasps right alongside the cats. Hysterical to watch. She is also the dog they got after their previous dog was hit and killed by a car right in front of their then 6 and 8 year old sons when they were in the woods playing in snow. So the boys, now 14 and 16, have been that much more upset, because they have already had such a tragic loss. Anyway, thank you for any prayers and good vibes and whatnot. Please continue em. Keta needs them, and so does her family. Aim Yikes, just caught the message about Keta and hope she

will soon be running – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – around with a big doggy smile soon. Kelly C.;o) While I was in Canada for the week, My aunt’s dog Keta (key’-tuh) fell down the cliffs at the back of their house Thursday and injured her back quite badly. She is coming home from the hospital today. She’s got at least one slipped disc that is pressing on the spinal cord enough that while she has feeling in her back legs she’s lost the propioception (doesn’t know where they are in space). This is the impulse that runs down the furthest outside layer of the cord. So, poor baby, she is heavily

sedated and will have – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – to be in a pen and carried even outside to pee for at least a month. This is a HUGE dog (lab/bouvier mix) so carrying her outside isn’t easy. Rescuing her from her fall was an adventure in engineering. And of course it was dark out so it was that much harder. When it first happened we thought she had dislocated her hip and broken her leg, because it was hanging at a funny angle, but it’s because it was completely paralyzed at first. Luckily, the sling we created to help her was probably the best thing we could have done because it held her back stable too. She was in a LOT of pain. So, please say a few prayers for Keta. She is in a lot of danger still of the disc slipping further and paralyzing her, or of the cord swelling and doing the same. They don’t have the money to give her the surgery she’d need if that were to happen. It would cost $5k-7k. Best case scenario, the disc resolves itself with steroids and bedrest, and she is fine, though she’ll have to slow down a bit. No more imitating a mountaingoat on the cliffs, as she has done since she was a baby. Thanks, Aim make sure to remove the spam protection from my address! It should read:  aim (at) arthritisinsight (dot com) make sure to remove the spam protection from my address! It should read:  aim (at) arthritisinsight (dot com)

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Sending prayers that she continue to do well.  I’ve found that vets tend to over estimate how bad the outcome might be in most cases.  They want to make really sure the family is prepared for the worst.  One of my twin 5 lb poodles ruptured a disc in her back about six years ago.  At the moment she is barking her fool head off over absolutely nothing.  And her sister is doing the same.  They’re almost 14, nearly deaf and nearly blind, but sense of taste and smell work just great and they still love to cuddle and keep me sane. Jo

Thanks Jo, Yeah vets do sometimes seem to do that. What was worrisome is that she was partially paralyzed, and we didn’t know how permanent that might be. The vets she saw were pretty good about giving us "best case, worst case, most likely" scenarios so that the family could start making decisions about what to do in each case. Thanks for the info on your dog. Jan will be happy to hear that she recovered well — I know she is super worried about how Keta’s quality of life will be. And what they might have to do as far as pain control, and how much pain is the cutoff of what is fair to her to have to handle, etc. Hopefully that will all be a moot point. I just talked to Jan while I was writing this, and she said to tell everyone thank you again. She feels like the prayers and stuff must be helping, cuz Keta is quite bright-eyed today, and is holding her own for now. She’s penned, and they have to carry her out to pee and such, but she is hanging in there, and only cries a little sometimes. Aim make sure to remove the spam protection from my address! It should read:  aim (at) arthritisinsight (dot com)

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Oh, Aim, I’m so sorry to hear this. Poor doggie. And poor you having it happen on your vacation. hugs! XO -kk

Thanks, though it was a good thing we were there. The family was so upset they couldnt digest the things the vet said, plus my mom has so much knowledge of medicine and injury mechanics, especially spinal ones (her specialty) that she was super super helpful with getting Keta immobilized and into the vet, as well as "translating" for Jan (my aunt). Hopefully Keta will do better and better. :-) Aim make sure to remove the spam protection from my address! It should read:  aim (at) arthritisinsight (dot com)

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From Aim: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – While I was in Canada for the week, My aunt’s dog Keta (key’-tuh) fell down the cliffs at the back of their house Thursday and injured her back quite badly. She is coming home from the hospital today. She’s got at least one slipped disc that is pressing on the spinal cord enough that while she has feeling in her back legs she’s lost the propioception (doesn’t know where they are in space). This is the impulse that runs down the furthest outside layer of the cord. So, poor baby, she is heavily sedated and will have to be in a pen and carried even outside to pee for at least a month. This is a HUGE dog (lab/bouvier mix) so carrying her outside isn’t easy. Rescuing her from her fall was an adventure in engineering. And of course it was dark out so it was that much harder. When it first happened we thought she had dislocated her hip and broken her leg, because it was hanging at a funny angle, but it’s because it was completely paralyzed at first. Luckily, the sling we created to help her was probably the best thing we could have done because it held her back stable too. She was in a LOT of pain. So, please say a few prayers for Keta. She is in a lot of danger still of the disc slipping further and paralyzing her, or of the cord swelling and doing the same. They don’t have the money to give her the surgery she’d need if that were to happen. It would cost $5k-7k. Best case scenario, the disc resolves itself with steroids and bedrest, and she is fine, though she’ll have to slow down a bit. No more imitating a mountaingoat on the cliffs, as she has done since she was a baby. Thanks, Aim

Oh, Aim, I’m so sorry to hear this. Poor doggie. And poor you having it happen on your vacation. hugs! XO -kk

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{{{{Keta}}}}}} ~KJ Akron, Ohio http://arthritisinsight.com Knowledge is power…support is essential. My daughter, Student Ambassador: http://members.aol.com/krissyjo/ambassador.html See my pond: http://members.aol.com/KrissyJo/ponds.html

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(((((((Keta and family)))))))))) debbie m.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – While I was in Canada for the week, My aunt’s dog Keta (key’-tuh) fell down the cliffs at the back of their house Thursday and injured her back quite badly. She is coming home from the hospital today. She’s got at least one slipped disc that is pressing on the spinal cord enough that while she has feeling in her back legs she’s lost the propioception (doesn’t know where they are in space). This is the impulse that runs down the furthest outside layer of the cord. So, poor baby, she is heavily sedated and will have to be in a pen and carried even outside to pee for at least a month. This is a HUGE dog (lab/bouvier mix) so carrying her outside isn’t easy. Rescuing her from her fall was an adventure in engineering. And of course it was dark out so it was that much harder. When it first happened we thought she had dislocated her hip and broken her leg, because it was hanging at a funny angle, but it’s because it was completely paralyzed at first. Luckily, the sling we created to help her was probably the best thing we could have done because it held her back stable too. She was in a LOT of pain. So, please say a few prayers for Keta. She is in a lot of danger still of the disc slipping further and paralyzing her, or of the cord swelling and doing the same. They don’t have the money to give her the surgery she’d need if that were to happen. It would cost $5k-7k. Best case scenario, the disc resolves itself with steroids and bedrest, and she is fine, though she’ll have to slow down a bit. No more imitating a mountaingoat on the cliffs, as she has done since she was a baby. Thanks, Aim make sure to remove the spam protection from my address! It should read:  aim (at) arthritisinsight (dot com)

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Thanks everyone who responded, as well as any who didn’t but have been praying. Keta came home today and is able to walk!! She is still very unsteady, and still nowhere near being "out of the woods" as it is still possible that the cord could swell or the disc shift position and further injure her. They have fashioned a brace from stiff foam exercise mats, and are ordering a doggie life jacket that extends from neck to tail in oder to keep her spine from bending. She will be penned for at least a month. She’s on the oxyc*ntin patch as well as massive doses of steroids and other pain meds. So she’s pretty looped, poor baby. But she is home. What I didn’t explain about Keta before is she isn’t "just a dog." This dog helped her mom (my aunt) survive major depression, and she rescued a neighbor from a burglar last year — the burglars were caught, too, because of her. She is like a 100-lb cat, as she was raised by two cats. She and the cats groom each other, and she pounces and chases wasps right alongside the cats. Hysterical to watch. She is also the dog they got after their previous dog was hit and killed by a car right in front of their then 6 and 8 year old sons when they were in the woods playing in snow. So the boys, now 14 and 16, have been that much more upset, because they have already had such a tragic loss. Anyway, thank you for any prayers and good vibes and whatnot. Please continue em. Keta needs them, and so does her family. Aim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yikes, just caught the message about Keta and hope she will soon be running around with a big doggy smile soon. Kelly C.;o) While I was in Canada for the week, My aunt’s dog Keta (key’-tuh) fell down the cliffs at the back of their house Thursday and injured her back quite badly. She is coming home from the hospital today. She’s got at least one slipped disc that is pressing on the spinal cord enough that while she has feeling in her back legs she’s lost the propioception (doesn’t know where they are in space). This is the impulse that runs down the furthest outside layer of the cord. So, poor baby, she is heavily sedated and will have to be in a pen and carried even outside to pee for at least a month. This is a HUGE dog (lab/bouvier mix) so carrying her outside isn’t easy. Rescuing her from her fall was an adventure in engineering. And of course it was dark out so it was that much harder. When it first happened we thought she had dislocated her hip and broken her leg, because it was hanging at a funny angle, but it’s because it was completely paralyzed at first. Luckily, the sling we created to help her was probably the best thing we could have done because it held her back stable too. She was in a LOT of pain. So, please say a few prayers for Keta. She is in a lot of danger still of the disc slipping further and paralyzing her, or of the cord swelling and doing the same. They don’t have the money to give her the surgery she’d need if that were to happen. It would cost $5k-7k. Best case scenario, the disc resolves itself with steroids and bedrest, and she is fine, though she’ll have to slow down a bit. No more imitating a mountaingoat on the cliffs, as she has done since she was a baby. Thanks, Aim make sure to remove the spam protection from my address! It should read:  aim (at) arthritisinsight (dot com)

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Sending good thoughts for Keta. GramPaHugs, Alex, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – While I was in Canada for the week, My aunt’s dog Keta (key’-tuh) fell down the cliffs at the back of their house Thursday and injured her back quite badly. She is coming home from the hospital today. She’s got at least one slipped disc that is pressing on the spinal cord enough that while she has feeling in her back legs she’s lost the propioception (doesn’t know where they are in space). This is the impulse that runs down the furthest outside layer of the cord. So, poor baby, she is heavily sedated and will have to be in a pen and carried even outside to pee for at least a month. This is a HUGE dog (lab/bouvier mix) so carrying her outside isn’t easy. Rescuing her from her fall was an adventure in engineering. And of course it was dark out so it was that much harder. When it first happened we thought she had dislocated her hip and broken her leg, because it was hanging at a funny angle, but it’s because it was completely paralyzed at first. Luckily, the sling we created to help her was probably the best thing we could have done because it held her back stable too. She was in a LOT of pain. So, please say a few prayers for Keta. She is in a lot of danger still of the disc slipping further and paralyzing her, or of the cord swelling and doing the same. They don’t have the money to give her the surgery she’d need if that were to happen. It would cost $5k-7k. Best case scenario, the disc resolves itself with steroids and bedrest, and she is fine, though she’ll have to slow down a bit. No more imitating a mountaingoat on the cliffs, as she has done since she was a baby. Thanks, Aim make sure to remove the spam protection from my address! It should read:  aim (at) arthritisinsight (dot com)

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Yikes, just caught the message about Keta and hope she will soon be running around with a big doggy smile soon. Kelly C.;o)

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While I was in Canada for the week, My aunt’s dog Keta (key’-tuh) fell down the cliffs at the back of their house Thursday and injured her back quite badly. She is coming home from the hospital today. She’s got at least one slipped disc that is pressing on the spinal cord enough that while she has feeling in her back legs she’s lost the propioception (doesn’t know where they are in space). This is the impulse that runs down the furthest outside layer of the cord. So, poor baby, she is heavily sedated and will have to be in a pen and carried even outside to pee for at least a month. This is a HUGE dog (lab/bouvier mix) so carrying her outside isn’t easy. Rescuing her from her fall was an adventure in engineering. And of course it was dark out so it was that much harder. When it first happened we thought she had dislocated her hip and broken her leg, because it was hanging at a funny angle, but it’s because it was completely paralyzed at first. Luckily, the sling we created to help her was probably the best thing we could have done because it held her back stable too. She was in a LOT of pain. So, please say a few prayers for Keta. She is in a lot of danger still of the disc slipping further and paralyzing her, or of the cord swelling and doing the same. They don’t have the money to give her the surgery she’d need if that were to happen. It would cost $5k-7k. Best case scenario, the disc resolves itself with steroids and bedrest, and she is fine, though she’ll have to slow down a bit. No more imitating a mountaingoat on the cliffs, as she has done since she was a baby. Thanks, Aim make sure to remove the spam protection from my address! It should read:  aim (at) arthritisinsight (dot com)

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Dawn, I am so sorry. I pray that things do get better for your aunt . Love Marge Marge

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Prayers are on the way….Blessings, Donna — Donna H No dream is too big, no dreamer too small Unknown — Donna H No dream is too big, no dreamer too small Unknown Before you buy.

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Dawn, thoughts and prayers going out for  your Aunt, and you and family. Jan

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Dawn, I’ll keep your Aunt in my prayers, and send positive energies to you and your cousin.   Kitt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -My dear Aunt had open heart surgery developed a clot and had to have a second surgery.  She is on a respirator and her brain has swelled.  She is not responding to any commands. My cousin called last night and it is not looking good. Thank you Love and Light Dawn0

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As one who has been the recipient of those prayers, I can tell you they work.  I’ll be praying also. Gwen L

Yipes!  You’re back!  :)  That’ll teach me to keep posts in date order.  Awfully good to see you posting. {{{{{{{Gwen}}}}}}} Kitt

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{{{{{{{DawnO}}}}}}}   Caroline – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My dear Aunt had open heart surgery developed a clot and had to have a second surgery.  She is on a respirator and her brain has swelled.  She is not responding to any commands. My cousin called last night and it is not looking good. Thank you Love and Light Dawn0 — "Life happens while you’re busy planning other things" John Lennon

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They are coming your way—prayers, the best cyber hugs I know how to give, and all the good and positive things I can think of.    So sorry for you and your family.

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my thoughts are with you. nic perth, w. aus.

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Dawn,   My prayers are with your Aunt. You are in my thoughts.                                            Be well,  Patty :) *~A friend is someone who reaches out for your hand, and touches your heart.~*

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My dear Aunt had open heart surgery developed a clot and had to have a second surgery.  She is on a respirator and her brain has swelled.  She is not responding to any commands. My cousin called last night and it is not looking good. Thank you Love and Light Dawn0 — "Life happens while you’re busy planning other things" John Lennon

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My thoughts are with you. (((Dawn))) Norio

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Dawn in my thoughts and prayers. God Bless, Love ConnieD.

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My dear Aunt had open heart surgery developed a clot and had to have a second surgery.  She is on a respirator and her brain has swelled.  She is not responding to any commands. My cousin called last night and it is not looking good. Thank you Love and Light Dawn0

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As one who has been the recipient of those prayers, I can tell you they work.  I’ll be praying also. Gwen L * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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{{{{{Dawn}}}}} Will do. Walt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My dear Aunt had open heart surgery developed a clot and had to have a second surgery.  She is on a respirator and her brain has swelled.  She is not responding to any commands. My cousin called last night and it is not looking good. Thank you Love and Light Dawn0 — "Life happens while you’re busy planning other things" John Lennon

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{{{{{Dawn}}}}}  My thoughts are with you and your family. Sarah L "Friends are those people who know the words to the song in your heart and sing them back to you when you have forgotten the words."  (unattributed)

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My dear Aunt had open heart surgery developed a clot and had to have a second surgery.  She is on a respirator and her brain has swelled.  She is not responding to any commands. My cousin called last night and it is not looking good. Thank you Love and Light Dawn0 — "Life happens while you’re busy planning other things" John Lennon

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My dear Aunt had open heart surgery developed a clot and had to have a second surgery.  She is on a respirator and her brain has swelled.  She is not responding to any commands. My cousin called last night and it is not looking good. Thank you Love and Light Dawn0 — "Life happens while you’re busy planning other things" John Lennon

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My dear Aunt had open heart surgery developed a clot and had to have a second surgery.  She is on a respirator and her brain has swelled.  She is not responding to any commands. My cousin called last night and it is not looking good. Thank you Love and Light Dawn0 — "Life happens while you’re busy planning other things" John Lennon

(((((((((Dawn))))))))))  You and your family are in my thoughts and prayers.         blondie

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(((((((((Dawn)))))))))) You and your family are in my thoughts and prayers. blondie Mine too. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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oh, dawn, i’m so sorry. your aunt and your family are in my prayers. diane

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My prayers are with you and your family Dawn. Jeannette – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My dear Aunt had open heart surgery developed a clot and had to have a second surgery.  She is on a respirator and her brain has swelled.  She is not responding to any commands. My cousin called last night and it is not looking good. Thank you Love and Light Dawn0 — "Life happens while you’re busy planning other things" John Lennon (((((((((Dawn))))))))))  You and your family are in my thoughts and prayers.         blondie

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You and your aunt have them, Dawn. Best, Larry Try these: http://www.arthritis.org/ http://www.rheumatology.org/index.asp http://www.arthritis.co.za http://www.mayohealth.org/M http://home.earthlink.net/~athleticare/back.html

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My dear Aunt had open heart surgery developed a clot and had to have a second surgery.  She is on a respirator and her brain has swelled.  She is not responding to any commands. My cousin called last night and it is not looking good. Thank you Love and Light Dawn0 — "Life happens while you’re busy planning other things" John Lennon

You have my prayers and best wishes. JDShine

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Hi Ashley, I’m a little late here, but can you get your RD to have a look at you next time you’re in so much pain? My RD has sometimes squeezed me in for a mini appointment the same day or the following day. S/he would then be able to see for her/himself how much pain you are in, and maybe give you a little emergency kit with stronger painkillers or an injection of something. Pred is nasty, but a short burst can really be effective when the pain is too bad. My sister’s gastro sounds like your RD. He didn’t give her other painkillers than Tylenol for acute Crohn’s pain, but she has gone to the ER a couple of times when the pain has been too severe (though mostly in order to exclude any dangerous injury to the bowels). They usually give her a shot of a very strong painkiller, which would remove all pain within 10 minutes and make her very sleepy. Last time she was there, another gastro doc thought it was crazy that she didn’t have anything stronger than Tylenol at home for her pain, so she got a pack of codeine-based pills. Nina – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think that sleep was indeed the answer. I took an 8-hour nap, which means I slept all day!! However, I’m still very drowsy so sleep should be easy tonight. I am feeling loads better, which may be the conjuction of my dose of Humira, sleep, regular meds + vicodin. I’ve been sleep deprived for so long that I think my body was just giving out. I’m in a minor flare right now (at a 5), but that is a lot better than I was earlier!!! Thank you for the prayers & hugs…. I love you all AshleyC Ashley C. www.ashleycanterbury.com www.livejournal.com/~ashleyc www.livejournal.com/~ashleyc_medical | I also notice increased perception of pain when I have not been | sleeping….also if I decide that I am super Alix and go full tilt | bozo–usually I end up hitting the wall and sliding down.  Been in a bit of | a flare–so MTX is increased….he is talking Remicade….but…..it felt | like I have been spiraling down….hate that feeling–not that I mind | another med–but it feels like another rung of the ladder is chopped out | some good rest honey chile…. | | Alix | | |

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Sending Good Thoughts, {{{{Ashley C.}}}} GramPaHugs, Alex, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you could say a prayer for me I’d appreciate it. I’m battling my doctors over meds right now, and I’m trying to seek a second opinion from another RD. The problem is that my RD is the ONLY one in our medical group, and I think I have to go out of network to see another one. My normally accomodating PCP swears that my RD is the best there is. *sigh* I just need to pain so stop for a few hours so I can get some rest. My PCP wrote me an rx for vicodin last week, but that only takes the edge off, it doesn’t even get rid of the pain. My RD thinks that my pain can be solved with tylenol. That gave me a good laugh!! I’m frustrated & tired. Ashley C. Ashley C. www.ashleycanterbury.com www.livejournal.com/~ashleyc www.livejournal.com/~ashleyc_medical

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I also notice increased perception of pain when I have not been sleeping….also if I decide that I am super Alix and go full tilt bozo–usually I end up hitting the wall and sliding down.  Been in a bit of a flare–so MTX is increased….he is talking Remicade….but…..it felt like I have been spiraling down….hate that feeling–not that I mind another med–but it feels like another rung of the ladder is chopped out some good rest honey chile…. Alix

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I think that sleep was indeed the answer. I took an 8-hour nap, which means I slept all day!! However, I’m still very drowsy so sleep should be easy tonight. I am feeling loads better, which may be the conjuction of my dose of Humira, sleep, regular meds + vicodin. I’ve been sleep deprived for so long that I think my body was just giving out. I’m in a minor flare right now (at a 5), but that is a lot better than I was earlier!!! Thank you for the prayers & hugs…. I love you all AshleyC Ashley C. www.ashleycanterbury.com www.livejournal.com/~ashleyc www.livejournal.com/~ashleyc_medical | I also notice increased perception of pain when I have not been | sleeping….also if I decide that I am super Alix and go full tilt | bozo–usually I end up hitting the wall and sliding down.  Been in a bit of | a flare–so MTX is increased….he is talking Remicade….but…..it felt | like I have been spiraling down….hate that feeling–not that I mind | another med–but it feels like another rung of the ladder is chopped out | some good rest honey chile…. | | Alix | | |

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Ashley, I am sorry to hear this.  Never heard of a doc thinking tylenol would take care of major pain.  Hope you find an answer. debbie m. http://www.angelfire.com/ga2/angels1/

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Asley C, wrong with your computer???? Agata

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Use her arthritisinsight one — the one at the top of her post is just as useless as mine is. And yet the spammers have found me. go figure Duckie Asley C, wrong with your computer???? Agata

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thanx, Caroline. Actually I came to this idea after I had sent the post :-/  I could be quicker with coming to some ideas ;-) Greetings from Germany, Agata

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Meee Too, Nann,     Except I’ll take a coupla Benedryl to knock me out and lower the pain levels by getting a better nite’s rest.     Lack of good sleep can really punch up the pain levels for me.     Hope your flaring eases soon, Ashley. Gentle Hugs from Rosie — "If you wanna get it done, you gotta fight for yourself." — Meat Loaf, Bat Outta Hell II

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f you could say a prayer for me I’d appreciate it. I’m battling my doctors over meds right now, My PCP wrote me an rx for vicodin last week, but that only takes the edge off, it doesn’t even get rid of the pain

In all honesty, Sugar, sometimes the best we can hope for is to take the edge off. You were doing so WELL just a little while ago.  What happened? I hope things  calm down for you, very soon. Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’.  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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If you could say a prayer for me I’d appreciate it. I’m battling my doctors over meds right now, and I’m trying to seek a second opinion from another RD. The problem is that my RD is the ONLY one in our medical group, and I think I have to go out of network to see another one. My normally accomodating PCP swears that my RD is the best there is. *sigh* I just need to pain so stop for a few hours so I can get some rest. My PCP wrote me an rx for vicodin last week, but that only takes the edge off, it doesn’t even get rid of the pain. My RD thinks that my pain can be solved with tylenol. That gave me a good laugh!! I’m frustrated & tired. Ashley C.

Prayers are coming.  Also, how are you sleeping? I’m just asking because every time my sleep starts getting messed up, I feel the pain a whole lot more.  I have differing strategies for getting sleep whe i need it, lately it’s been Mike’s leftover restoril and it makes the days a lot easier. — Nann remove the Gator cheer to email me I like nonsense; it wakes up the brain cells. – Dr Suess

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If you could say a prayer for me I’d appreciate it. I’m battling my doctors over meds right now, and I’m trying to seek a second opinion from another RD. The problem is that my RD is the ONLY one in our medical group, and I think I have to go out of network to see another one. My normally accomodating PCP swears that my RD is the best there is. *sigh* I just need to pain so stop for a few hours so I can get some rest. My PCP wrote me an rx for vicodin last week, but that only takes the edge off, it doesn’t even get rid of the pain. My RD thinks that my pain can be solved with tylenol. That gave me a good laugh!! I’m frustrated & tired. Ashley C. Ashley C. www.ashleycanterbury.com www.livejournal.com/~ashleyc www.livejournal.com/~ashleyc_medical

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Call your local Mariott and see if they have a program where you can pay to use their pool. Ours does and for one day use it is $10 but they also have memberships as well. Just thinking that it would be a $10 well spent. There is a sauna, whirlpool, gym with bicycles, and treadmills, and a gym with weights [never been in that] and this huge pool. The best part is the very clean bathroom with showers. Plenty of towels, shampoo and soup in push button things on the wall, hair dryers. Go treat yourself to time in the pool and then whirlpool. A lovely warm shower and then home for a nap. Duckie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you could say a prayer for me I’d appreciate it. I’m battling my doctors over meds right now, and I’m trying to seek a second opinion from another RD. The problem is that my RD is the ONLY one in our medical group, and I think I have to go out of network to see another one. My normally accomodating PCP swears that my RD is the best there is. *sigh* I just need to pain so stop for a few hours so I can get some rest. My PCP wrote me an rx for vicodin last week, but that only takes the edge off, it doesn’t even get rid of the pain. My RD thinks that my pain can be solved with tylenol. That gave me a good laugh!! I’m frustrated & tired. Ashley C. Ashley C. www.ashleycanterbury.com www.livejournal.com/~ashleyc www.livejournal.com/~ashleyc_medical

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Off to the emergency room to see if my 84 year old dad has broken his hip. I will update you tonight or tomorrow morning. Thanks, debbie m. — http://www.angelfire.com/ga2/angels1/

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Off to the emergency room to see if my 84 year old dad has broken his hip. I will update you tonight or tomorrow morning.

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Praying for your dad, Debbie. Gwen

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Sending prayers and positive thoughts for your Dad, Debbie.                                             Be well,  Patty :) *~A friend is someone who reaches out for your hand, and touches your heart.~*

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Sending good thoughts, GramPaHugs, Alex, Off to the emergency room to see if my 84 year old dad has broken his hip. I will update you tonight or tomorrow morning. Thanks, debbie m. — http://www.angelfire.com/ga2/angels1/

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Off to the emergency room to see if my 84 year old dad has broken his hip. I will update you tonight or tomorrow morning. Thanks, debbie m. —

You got em Debbie.  Slipps and falls are going to be the down fall of us all. Harv

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Just got off the phone with a close friend.  Her mother was waiting for tests to determine the status of a spot on her lung.  They just rushed her into emergency with breathing problems.  Am trying to decide whether to wait for further phone call or just head over there… Please hold her in your thoughts and prayers. Thank you all, Janet N.

Hi Janet,  Sure will.  Please update us on how it goes. Harv

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She is already being prayed for, Janet. So are your friend and you.   Gwen

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You got it Janet. Not sure what I would do but probably I would head over if it wasn’t too far. Your friend my need you hand to hold and then you can disappear later. Duckie Just got off the phone with a close friend.  Her mother was waiting for tests to determine the status of a spot on her lung.  They just rushed her into emergency with breathing problems.  Am trying to decide whether to wait for further phone call or just head over there… Please hold her in your thoughts and prayers. Thank you all, Janet N.

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Do prayers do any good if you are an atheist? :=) Bill

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Do prayers do any good if you are an atheist? :=) Bill

LOLOL Who is doing the praying?  LOLOL Who is being prayed for?  I can pray for atheist and not worry about the outcome.  I did what I could for them and maybe God will show mercy anyway…..  I can not speak for people that are atheists but I can pray for them.  Does that help Bill? Harv

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Just got off the phone with a close friend.  Her mother was waiting for tests to determine the status of a spot on her lung.  They just rushed her into emergency with breathing problems.  Am trying to decide whether to wait for further phone call or just head over there… Please hold her in your thoughts and prayers. Thank you all, Janet N.

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Good wishes and healing vibes headed there. I’d recommend staying on standby just in case it’s really bad and your pal needs ya lots. Or it’s not very bad and you find you’re in the way. Hopin’ it all works out OK. Featherhuggings from Rosie — "If you wanna get it done, you gotta fight for yourself."  — Meat Loaf, Bat Outta Hell II

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I will be having heart catherization on Monday and will appreciate your prayers in my behalf.  I’ve had a heart attack and two angioplastys, the last one with stent because the blockage in large front artery was so long.  That’s also where the new blockage is and if it’s too large or too long for another angioplasty, will need open heart surgery.  Am hoping that won’t be necessary. Thanks.  Gwen Love Happy memories never wear out…re-live them as often as you want. .

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I will be having heart catherization on Monday and will appreciate your prayers in my behalf.  I’ve had a heart attack and two angioplastys, the last one with stent because the blockage in large front artery was so long.  That’s also where the new blockage is and if it’s too large or too long for another angioplasty, will need open heart surgery.  Am hoping that won’t be necessary. Thanks.  Gwen Love Happy memories never wear out…re-live them as often as you want. .

Gwen, all kinds of prayers and positive energy coming your way! Please let us know how you are doing after the procedure.(((Gwen))) Kellann

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Gwen Love writes: I will be having heart catherization on Monday

Gwen,   All of my prayers will be with you on Monday. Good luck! I hope things turn out just fine.                                            Be well,  Patty :) *~A friend is someone who reaches out for your hand, and touches your heart.~*

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Gwen, sending prayers your way!   Hugs too!  {{{{{Gwen}}}}}         :O)  Mary Lynn (mlh)  (O:  :O)  "Of all the things I’ve lost, I miss my mind the most"  :O)                            (remove ma in email address)

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Got them coming back at you–like they were for me and mine.

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Gwen: My prayers are with you……I hope everything comes out ok.  Hope you can have a restful weekend knowing what’s coming up Monday.  Blessings. Jeannette Olson – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will be having heart catherization on Monday and will appreciate your prayers in my behalf.  I’ve had a heart attack and two angioplastys, the last one with stent because the blockage in large front artery was so long.  That’s also where the new blockage is and if it’s too large or too long for another angioplasty, will need open heart surgery.  Am hoping that won’t be necessary. Thanks.  Gwen Love Happy memories never wear out…re-live them as often as you want. . Gwen, all kinds of prayers and positive energy coming your way! Please let us know how you are doing after the procedure.(((Gwen))) Kellann

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Good thoughts and prayers for you! Tami

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Gwen, Missed your original post so I hope you get this over the weekend.  I’ll be thinking of you on Monday. — K.C. Washington State in the beautiful Columbia River Gorge – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gwen Love wrote I will be having heart catherization on Monday and will appreciate your prayers in my behalf.

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Good luck, and prayers Gwen. Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’.  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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I will be having heart catherization on Monday and will appreciate your prayers in my behalf.  I’ve had a heart attack and two angioplastys, the last one with stent because the blockage in large front artery was so long.  That’s also where the new blockage is and if it’s too large or too long for another angioplasty, will need open heart surgery.  Am hoping that won’t be necessary. Thanks.  Gwen Love Happy memories never wear out…re-live them as often as you want.

Dear Gwen our thoughts are with you and hope you will not need the big op, my hubbie went through the same thing a couple of years ago, but he is just fine now, God bless and take care of you Love From Cathy xxx – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -.

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I will be having heart catherization on Monday and will appreciate your prayers in my behalf.  I’ve had a heart attack and two angioplastys, the last one with stent because the blockage in large front artery was so long.  That’s also where the new blockage is and if it’s too large or too long for another angioplasty, will need open heart surgery.  Am hoping that won’t be necessary. Thanks.  Gwen Love Happy memories never wear out…re-live them as often as you want. .

You’ll have top billing for the entire weekend. JDShine

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Gwen, My prayers and thoughts will be going your way! Good luck, julie molli                                                   I will be having heart catherization on Monday and will appreciate your – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -prayers

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I will be having heart catherization on Monday and will appreciate your prayers in my behalf.  I’ve had a heart attack and two angioplastys, the last one with stent because the blockage in large front artery was so long.  That’s also where the new blockage is and if it’s too large or too long for another angioplasty, will need open heart surgery.  Am hoping that won’t be necessary. Thanks.  Gwen Love Happy memories never wear out…re-live them as often as you want.

Oh Gwen, you’re in my thoughts and prayers.  What I’m going through pales in comparison.  I’m tugging for you mightily! {{{{{Gwen}}}}} Kitt

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Will do.  Hang in there Gwen.  Be sure and have someone tell us how you did, but you just rest. Walt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will be having heart catherization on Monday and will appreciate your prayers in my behalf.  I’ve had a heart attack and two angioplastys, the last one with stent because the blockage in large front artery was so long.  That’s also where the new blockage is and if it’s too large or too long for another angioplasty, will need open heart surgery.  Am hoping that won’t be necessary. Thanks.  Gwen Love

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{{{{{{{Gwen}}}}}} You & your will be in our prayers. Even your name brings happiness. Belinda

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Gwen, I shall be thinking of you and praying as well that the hands that help you on Monday are doind everything as they should. Just give me a shout if anyne upsets you and I have my cast all ready to kick some rear ends!!!! Love to a LOVE, ConnieD.

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I will be having heart catherization on Monday and will appreciate your prayers in my behalf.  I’ve had a heart attack and two angioplastys, the last one with stent because the blockage in large front artery was so long.  That’s also where the new blockage is and if it’s too large or too long for another angioplasty, will need open heart surgery.  Am hoping that won’t be necessary. Thanks.  Gwen Love Happy memories never wear out…re-live them as often as you want. .

My prayers and best wishes for a successful treatment and speedy recovery, Gwen!            blondie

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Monday. Let us know how things went as soon as possible. Caroline – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will be having heart catherization on Monday and will appreciate your prayers in my behalf.  I’ve had a heart attack and two angioplastys, the last one with stent because the blockage in large front artery was so long.  That’s also where the new blockage is and if it’s too large or too long for another angioplasty, will need open heart surgery.  Am hoping that won’t be necessary. Thanks.  Gwen Love Happy memories never wear out…re-live them as often as you want. .

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Dang, Gwen!  Sorry you need a catheter.  They suck big time! Hang tough! -g- Kitty

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Sending good thoughts your way! Keep Smilin’ ~Krissy Akron, Ohio Senior Editor http://www.arthritiswebsite.com

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I will be praying for you Gwen.  Please let us know how things turn out! Tina

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Gwen……. you will be in the thoughts and in the prayers of many of your asa friends. barbtoo

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So Gwen, how did it go? Walt I will be having heart catherization on Monday and will appreciate your prayers in my behalf.  I’ve had a heart attack and two angioplastys, the last one with stent because the blockage in large front artery was so long.  That’s also where the new blockage is and if it’s too large or too long for another angioplasty, will need open heart surgery.  Am hoping that won’t be necessary. Thanks.  Gwen Love Happy memories never wear out…re-live them as often as you want. .

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Gwen, you’re probably on your way to surgery right now.  But you’re in my prayers.  I’ll be tugging for you, and hope to hear some good news when you return home. {{{{{{{Gwen}}}}}}} Kitt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I will be having heart catherization on Monday and will appreciate your prayers in my behalf.  I’ve had a heart attack and two angioplastys, the last one with stent because the blockage in large front artery was so long.  That’s also where the new blockage is and if it’s too large or too long for another angioplasty, will need open heart surgery.  Am hoping that won’t be necessary. Thanks.  Gwen Love Happy memories never wear out…re-live them as often as you want.

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Our prayers and thoughts are with him and you. DeeTee – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I need to ask that everyone put my daughter’s new father-in-law in their prayers. Two weeks ago, he donated bone marrow to a complete stranger. Saturday he married his middle son to my sweet Jennifer. This morning he had a heart attack which the cardiologist is attributing to internal bleeding from the bone marrow transplant.  He had his heart attack at the hospital and they were able to save him but did tell Linda, that had he not been there when it happened that in all likelihood he would not have made it. They are running tests now to find the site of the bleeding and will know more this afternoon. Right now I do know that this great ASA group has a wonderful power when it comes to prayers and I ask you now to include Tom Sarre [pronounced like Car]. I will pop in later when I find out more for an update. Thank you for being there when I need you. Caroline

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BJ, Caroline’s husband was not the one who had the heart attack.  It was her new SIL’s father.  Just wanted you to know that. Jeannette

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I miss you all too — still lurking a bit and reading.  I needed the laughs [the puns were good]. Really sleepy as I have been up since a bit before 5 this morning so I think I am heading to bed.  I think I am going to print out all your responses to my request for prayers and save them for Tom. Thanks again. I love you guys a great deal. Caroline – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I do miss you.  Soon you will be able to get back to posting again regularly. Take care. Love, Jeannette

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Caroline, I’m so impressed. Sending good thoughts to Tom Sarre and your family. Norio – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I need to ask that everyone put my daughter’s new father-in-law in their prayers.

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I need to ask that everyone put my daughter’s new father-in-law in their prayers. Two weeks ago, he donated bone marrow to a complete stranger. Saturday he married his middle son to my sweet Jennifer. This morning he had a heart attack which the cardiologist is attributing to internal bleeding from the bone marrow transplant.  He had his heart attack at the hospital and they were able to save him but did tell Linda, that had he not been there when it happened that in all likelihood he would not have made it. They are running tests now to find the site of the bleeding and will know more this afternoon. Right now I do know that this great ASA group has a wonderful power when it comes to prayers and I ask you now to include Tom Sarre [pronounced like Car]. I will pop in later when I find out more for an update. Thank you for being there when I need you. Caroline

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Caroline: So good to hear from you.  I am glad that Tom is doing better.  I did not realize that Jen and Jeff did not know what happened.  Are you relaxing now? At least until they get back from their honeymoon?   Congraulations on your 29th wedding anniversary.  May you have at least 29 more wonderful years together. My folks are celebrating their 60th in August.  We are planning a small party. We had a big shabang for their 50th.  It turned into a two day affair.  We had a limo for them to take them to the dinner, complements of my uncle.  It was all very special.  This one will be a on a much smaller scale.  We will have it at the Country Club where I had my reception and just family and a few close friends.  Just an afternoon thing.  I will do invitations and flowers etc.  It seems like just yesterday we had their 50th party.  I was just saying to Ed last week, lets get divorced so we can have another wedding.  Now I can focus on my folks party.  You know us Leos, we love that sort of thing.  My husband will probably provide the entertainment.  He usually does at family gatherings.  He plays guitar, sings, plays fiddle and mandalin.  He’s a one man band.  He needs some new material though.  His stuff is getting old.  He really enjoys getting up there and performing though.   Anyway, all is well on this planet Wisconsin except all the rain.  It has finally stopped for a day.  I told others I am building an ark, all are welcome pet and all. I do miss you.  Soon you will be able to get back to posting again regularly. Take care. Love, Jeannette

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He! Caroline! I am just reading the posts,about your husband who was a bone marrow donor. That is so commendable,and I applaud him trememdously. It is so needed in our Society! More compassion,for we never know when we or one of our loved ones may need that help so badly! I am sorry he had to have the Heartattack,but glad he is better.Hopefully he will regain his strength,with proper eating befavior and proper exercise. I have a friend who went through a bone marrow transplant 8 yrs.ago.The Drs. used her own bone marrow,so she didn’t need a donor. So far.she is the longest living  Bonemarrow Transplant,survivor! My prayers go out to you and your families! Much success in your daughters’ marriage! I can relate somewhat,because I had a Triple Bypass Heart Surgery,in 1993. In 1986, my car was hit by a train,so I still have problems from that,not to mention little things like,arthritis,herniated disk in my back,degerative hip disease that are a daily reminder! Take care of that guy of yours and you stay well too! ((((HUGS))))  BJ

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tom is resting well and actually looks good. Apparently through all of this he was worried about the tux of John’s that he was going to take back because my husband flew to CA this morning. Linda said it was the first thing out of his mouth when he was revived after flat lining. Silly boy. Anyway, I took the tux back and found out the hospital was just around the corner so I took him some flowers. The first thing he said to me as I rounded the corner of the room "Did you take the tux back". The whole room laughed at that one. Told him not to get up when we got to the room which made him laugh. We stayed only long enough to blow him kisses and leave the flowers. They are doing some sort of test tomorrow which Linda couldn’t seem to remember the name of and with a bit of probing I couldn’t figure out but we all hope to have more information then.  She did say it was a wake up call to them both as they did not eat the right things or exercise. She drove him herself to the emergency room and they arrived just in time. He has been having chest pains which worsened and as they neared 495, she said she asked him about pain in his arm to which he had a positive response. To this she says to herself "Well this is not good" — what an understatement. I wish she had had one of her other boys stay. They had both come up for the wedding but she sent them home. Said she didn’t want to have to wait on anyone and would rather be alone.  Is that a boy thing? I actually can’t imagine Jeff not helping out as he cheerfully does so here but she may have not allowed them to help her to the point that they don’t even try to do anything now.  Jen would not have let Jeff leave his mother at a time like this — I can’t imagine what those other girlfriends were thinking. At any rate, tonight was the first formal night on board as they leave St. Thomas. Told Jen to wear her tightest dress today as she would not be able to climb into it at the end of the cruise. LOL We have not called them — there is absolutely nothing they could do and it would only worry them. I know Jen would try to get back. Linda has put her foot down about anyone telling them and I agree with her. We are taking things one day at a time. Please keep up your prayers. We all appreciate them. Thanks again for being there. Caroline ps Today was my 29th wedding anniversary and my life and love is in CA tonight. I wrote out a card to him last night and tucked it into his lap top as a surprise. Told me today that it made him cry right there on the airplane. I love my honey.

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Caroline, Mr. Sarre is in my prayers and I hope he will have a full recovery. Sounds like a special guy!         :O)  Mary Lynn  (mlh)  (O:  :O)  "Of all the things I’ve lost, I miss my mind the most"  :O)                            (remove ma in email address)

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What a brave and kind man Tom Sarre is. I pray he makes a full recovery.                   Ally

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Hi Caroline, I do my best praying on the golf course, but I will give it my best shot in lieu of being out there on the course. I hope He can hear me from here, I probably don’t speak as loud! :-) Gary

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I’ll be praying for Tom- what a miraculous thing he did by donating bone marrow. Kate    Send in the clowns I will not drag you along; I will not leave you alone; I will stand by you and have my hand there for you to hold when you need it.

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Keeping Tom and both families in my thoughts. ~Krissy Akron, Ohio http://arthritisinsight.com Knowledge is power…support is essential.

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{{{{Caroline}}}}…   I’m adding Tom Sarre, your daughter and son-in-law and all of both of your families to my prayers. What a great guy he must be to do this wonderful deed for a stranger. God IS watching over him, I just know it.                                             Be well,  Patty :) *~A friend is someone who reaches out for your hand, and touches your heart.~*

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I’ll be praying as well…what an inspiration to others. It’s not an easy thing to do and I have heard it can be quite painful. May god heal both donor and receiver quickly and comfortably. peace and love Lorraine  

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Tom is resting well and actually looks good. Apparently through all of this he was worried about the tux of John’s that he was going to take back because my husband flew to CA this morning. Linda said it was the first thing out of his mouth when he was revived after flat lining. Silly boy. Anyway, I took the tux back and found out the hospital was just around the corner so I took him some flowers. The first thing he said to me as I rounded the corner of the room "Did you take the tux back". The whole room laughed at that one. Told him not to get up when we got to the room which made him laugh. We stayed only long enough to blow him kisses and leave the flowers. They are doing some sort of test tomorrow which Linda couldn’t seem to remember the name of and with a bit of probing I couldn’t figure out but we all hope to have more information then.  She did say it was a wake up call to them both as they did not eat the right things or exercise. She drove him herself to the emergency room and they arrived just in time. He has been having chest pains which worsened and as they neared 495, she said she asked him about pain in his arm to which he had a positive response. To this she says to herself "Well this is not good" — what an understatement. I wish she had had one of her other boys stay. They had both come up for the wedding but she sent them home. Said she didn’t want to have to wait on anyone and would rather be alone.  Is that a boy thing? I actually can’t imagine Jeff not helping out as he cheerfully does so here but she may have not allowed them to help her to the point that they don’t even try to do anything now.  Jen would not have let Jeff leave his mother at a time like this — I can’t imagine what those other girlfriends were thinking. At any rate, tonight was the first formal night on board as they leave St. Thomas. Told Jen to wear her tightest dress today as she would not be able to climb into it at the end of the cruise. LOL We have not called them — there is absolutely nothing they could do and it would only worry them. I know Jen would try to get back. Linda has put her foot down about anyone telling them and I agree with her. We are taking things one day at a time. Please keep up your prayers. We all appreciate them. Thanks again for being there. Caroline ps Today was my 29th wedding anniversary and my life and love is in CA tonight. I wrote out a card to him last night and tucked it into his lap top as a surprise. Told me today that it made him cry right there on the airplane. I love my honey.

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Caroline, I have "activated" my prayer circle so know that many prayers are being said–for Tom, but also for all of you to have courage and trust in the coming days. Blessings, Donna – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I need to ask that everyone put my daughter’s new father-in-law in their prayers. Two weeks ago, he donated bone marrow to a complete stranger. Saturday he married his middle son to my sweet Jennifer. This morning he had a heart attack which the cardiologist is attributing to internal bleeding from the bone marrow transplant.  He had his heart attack at the hospital and they were able to save him but did tell Linda, that had he not been there when it happened that in all likelihood he would not have made it. They are running tests now to find the site of the bleeding and will know more this afternoon. Right now I do know that this great ASA group has a wonderful power when it comes to prayers and I ask you now to include Tom Sarre [pronounced like Car]. I will pop in later when I find out more for an update. Thank you for being there when I need you. Caroline

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I need to ask that everyone put my daughter’s new father-in-law in their prayers. Two weeks ago, he donated bone marrow to a complete stranger. Saturday he married his middle son to my sweet Jennifer. This morning he had a heart attack which the cardiologist is attributing to internal bleeding from the bone marrow transplant.  He had his heart attack at the hospital and they were able to save him but did tell Linda, that had he not been there when it happened that in all likelihood he would not have made it. They are running tests now to find the site of the bleeding and will know more this afternoon. Right now I do know that this great ASA group has a wonderful power when it comes to prayers and I ask you now to include Tom Sarre [pronounced like Car]. I will pop in later when I find out more for an update. Thank you for being there when I need you. Caroline

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I need to ask that everyone put my daughter’s new father-in-law in their prayers

{{{{{{Caroline}}}}}} My thoughts, and prayers, will be coming your way.

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Prayers are on the way from this end, for your daughter’s FIL, as well as the whole family.            Blondie — Life is a mixture of living and longing, learning and growing, with loving and laughing filling the gaps in between~

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(((Mr. Sarre))) Prayers and healing thoughts are headed his way, Caroline. Kellann;o) PS-Thanks for sharing your stories of the wedding. They were fun to read.<g – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I need to ask that everyone put my daughter’s new father-in-law in their prayers. Two weeks ago, he donated bone marrow to a complete stranger. Saturday he married his middle son to my sweet Jennifer. This morning he had a heart attack which the cardiologist is attributing to internal bleeding from the bone marrow transplant.  He had his heart attack at the hospital and they were able to save him but did tell Linda, that had he not been there when it happened that in all likelihood he would not have made it. They are running tests now to find the site of the bleeding and will know more this afternoon. Right now I do know that this great ASA group has a wonderful power when it comes to prayers and I ask you now to include Tom Sarre [pronounced like Car]. I will pop in later when I find out more for an update. Thank you for being there when I need you. Caroline

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In my prayers, sometimes life is just not fair to people that go the extra mile for someone else but doing the mile is what makes up some peoples way of life and he would probably do the same thing again. Harv – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I need to ask that everyone put my daughter’s new father-in-law in their prayers. Two weeks ago, he donated bone marrow to a complete stranger. Saturday he married his middle son to my sweet Jennifer. This morning he had a heart attack which the cardiologist is attributing to internal bleeding from the bone marrow transplant.  He had his heart attack at the hospital and they were able to save him but did tell Linda, that had he not been there when it happened that in all likelihood he would not have made it. They are running tests now to find the site of the bleeding and will know more this afternoon. Right now I do know that this great ASA group has a wonderful power when it comes to prayers and I ask you now to include Tom Sarre [pronounced like Car]. I will pop in later when I find out more for an update. Thank you for being there when I need you. Caroline

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Gosh Caroline, what an awful thing to happen right after the wedding.  He will surely be our thoughts and prayers. Lovingly, Jeannette

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Caroline, Dawn0 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I need to ask that everyone put my daughter’s new father-in-law in their prayers. Two weeks ago, he donated bone marrow to a complete stranger. Saturday he married his middle son to my sweet Jennifer. This morning he had a heart attack which the cardiologist is attributing to internal bleeding from the bone marrow transplant.  He had his heart attack at the hospital and they were able to save him but did tell Linda, that had he not been there when it happened that in all likelihood he would not have made it. They are running tests now to find the site of the bleeding and will know more this afternoon. Right now I do know that this great ASA group has a wonderful power when it comes to prayers and I ask you now to include Tom Sarre [pronounced like Car]. I will pop in later when I find out more for an update. Thank you for being there when I need you. Caroline

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I need to ask that everyone put my daughter’s new father-in-law in their prayers.

[snip] Mr. Sarre will be in my prayers as will the newlyweds and the entire family. JDShine

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Caroline, prayers are sent their way and hugs to you.  Hang in there. They, the docs, will find the answer.   God bless them all… Janers

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You know that I have mentioned my friend Dolly before with her dissolvable ankle tendons. Her surgery for breast cancer is early Tuesday morning. If you could all say a prayer for her, I would greatly appreciate it. Duckie

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Done, Duckie. Gwen

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Sending Good Thoughts, {{{{{Dolly, Caroline}}}}} GramPaHugs, Alex, You know that I have mentioned my friend Dolly before with her dissolvable ankle tendons. Her surgery for breast cancer is early Tuesday morning. If you could all say a prayer for her, I would greatly appreciate it. Duckie

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Sending good thoughts. ~KJ Akron, Ohio http://arthritisinsight.com Knowledge is power…support is essential. Tina’s Togs http://tinastogs.com Quality Plus Size and Vintage Fashions Coming soon to a puter near you!

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Prayers being said for a successful outcome.  Will be watching for update and hoping for the best. Ann

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You know that I have mentioned my friend Dolly before with her dissolvable ankle tendons. Her surgery for breast cancer is early Tuesday morning. If you could all say a prayer for her, I would greatly appreciate it. Duckie

I will be thinking of her. Rose

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says… Her surgery for breast cancer is early Tuesday morning. If you could all say a prayer for her, I would greatly appreciate it.

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You know that I have mentioned my friend Dolly before with her dissolvable ankle tendons. Her surgery for breast cancer is early Tuesday morning. If you could all say a prayer for her, I would greatly appreciate it. Duckie

and for you to Ducky. Harv

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You know that I have mentioned my friend Dolly before with her dissolvable ankle tendons. Her surgery for breast cancer is early Tuesday morning. If you could all say a prayer for her, I would greatly appreciate it. Duckie

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Sending prayers! How is she doing? Hoping your hills are never too steep! Be well, Patty

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Prayers are going your way. Shirley R. Can you also send some prayers out for my husband Peter? we just learned that he has colon cancer. The tumor is at the end of the colon so he’ll have to wear a cloistral bag. we’re not sure when he’ll be going into the hospital, the dr’s have to decide how they are going to do it because he has C.O.P.D. they have to contact his Repertory Specialist, before they can do the surgery. they are also thinking of shrinking the tumor before they take it out so there is less chance of it spreading. Thanks. Shirley R. Kelowna B.C. Canada.

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Prayers are on the way for you both. My friend just lost here husband of 60 years due to heart failure. He had been wearing a bag for over 20 years and was in his mid 90’s when he died. Tell Peter I will be thinking of him. Duckie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroups: alt.support.arthritis Prayers are going your way. Shirley R. Can you also send some prayers out for my husband Peter? we just learned that he has colon cancer. The tumor is at the end of the colon so he’ll have to wear a cloistral bag. we’re not sure when he’ll be going into the hospital, the dr’s have to decide how they are going to do it because he has C.O.P.D. they have to contact his Repertory Specialist, before they can do the surgery. they are also thinking of shrinking the tumor before they take it out so there is less chance of it spreading. Thanks. Shirley R. Kelowna B.C. Canada.

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Can you also send some prayers out for my husband Peter? we just learned that he has colon cancer.

I am so sorry to hear that Shirley. I don’t know what is going on this year, but it seems like so many are going through a bad period. I sincerely hope that they are able to get all the cancer and the surgery will take care of the problem. Rose

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Well, she is now home and doing well. They won’t know how things are until about four days from now. I hope those pain pills help keep the brain from working overtime. The stress of waiting is cruel IMO. I will update more when I find out more. Thanks to everyone for the prayers. Told Dolly about our prayer circle when I was in NYC. I said as I was saying it that it might sound silly but seemed to be one powerful tool. Dolly said she didn’t think it sounded silly at all and sends her love back to you all. Duckie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Newsgroups: alt.support.arthritis Sending prayers! How is she doing? Hoping your hills are never too steep! Be well, Patty

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Prayers are going your way. Shirley R. Can you also send some prayers out for my husband Peter? we just learned that he has colon cancer. The tumor is at the end of the colon so he’ll have to wear a cloistral bag.

you’ve got it.  Praying for wise and skilled doctors and rapid healing for Peter and for peace of mind for both of you. — Nann remove the Gator cheer to email me It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. – Aristotle

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You got em kiddo.  Keep us updated on what happens. Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’.  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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Sending Good Thoughts, {{{{{Peter & Shirley}}}}} GramPaHugs, Alex, Prayers are going your way. Shirley R. Can you also send some prayers out for my husband Peter? we just learned that he has colon cancer. The tumor is at the end of the colon so he’ll have to wear a cloistral bag. we’re not sure when he’ll be going into the hospital, the dr’s have to decide how they are going to do it because he has C.O.P.D. they have to contact his Repertory Specialist, before they can do the surgery. they are also thinking of shrinking the tumor before they take it out so there is less chance of it spreading. Thanks. Shirley R. Kelowna B.C. Canada.

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they are also thinking of shrinking the tumor before they take it out so there is less chance of it spreading.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Prayers are going your way. Shirley R. Can you also send some prayers out for my husband Peter? we just learned that he has colon cancer. The tumor is at the end of the colon so he’ll have to wear a cloistral bag. we’re not sure when he’ll be going into the hospital, the dr’s have to decide how they are going to do it because he has C.O.P.D. they have to contact his Repertory Specialist, before they can do the surgery. they are also thinking of shrinking the tumor before they take it out so there is less chance of it spreading. Thanks. Shirley R. Kelowna B.C. Canada.

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That is such a good idea Doe.  You go look into that – I think that I would choose a health food store far far away. Shirley and Peter, my prayers go to you.  Keep us in touch as to how he is doing Shirley. This is one cancer that can be beaten back.  My family has a strong problem with colon cancer but in each case after surgery has done well and the cancer did not spread. My uncle actually has gone back to work as a logger in the woods with his bag.  As he said it is his life and he is not ready to quit yet. My best wishes. Kelly

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Prayers are going your way. Shirley R. Can you also send some prayers out for my husband Peter? we just learned that he has colon cancer. The tumor is at the end of the colon so he’ll have to wear a cloistral bag. we’re not sure when he’ll be going into the hospital, the dr’s have to decide how they are going to do it because he has C.O.P.D. they have to contact his Repertory Specialist, before they can do the surgery. they are also thinking of shrinking the tumor before they take it out so there is less chance of it spreading. Thanks. Shirley R. Kelowna B.C. Canada. I would seriously consider looking into .. IP6 / phytic acid .. found in any health food store .. http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com/phytate.html http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com/cancerpost.html Who loves ya. Tom Jesus was a vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Jesus was a vegetarian! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman Moses was a mystic! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman/light.html

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alt.support.arthritis: I would seriously consider looking into .. IP6 / phytic acid .. found in any health food store ..

If I were you, Tom, I would seriously consider NOT giving medical advice on the many newsgroups to which you post. Joan

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alt.support.arthritis: I would seriously consider looking into .. IP6 / phytic acid .. found in any health food store .. If I were you, Tom, I would seriously consider NOT giving medical advice on the many newsgroups to which you post.

Medical advice ? Natural supplement isn’t .. medical advice .. and I would seriously consider keeping my advice to myself .. If you don’t mind .. Iron chelators are being used to fight / treat cancer .. Desferal .. a prescribed iron chelator .. WOULD be giving medical advice .. So NOW .. do you understand the difference ..? Grade two stuff .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus was a vegetarian!   http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Jesus was a vegetarian! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman Moses was a mystic! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman/light.html

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alt.support.arthritis: Medical advice ? Natural supplement isn’t .. medical advice .. and I would seriously consider keeping my advice to myself .. If you don’t mind .. Iron chelators are being used to fight / treat cancer .. Desferal .. a prescribed iron chelator .. WOULD be giving medical advice .. So NOW .. do you understand the difference ..? Grade two stuff ..

Tom, supplements can interact with prescribed medications. And you are giving medical advice all the time, telling people what causes diseases and what to do about them. Even innocent little vitamins can be toxic if taken in the wrong dose. Got it? Joan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com

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You got it!! I hope the surgery is seccessful.  Best of luck to her (and you). ~Randy~

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whoa, thank you! had the crazy idea just to check it out….thank you! donnah – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Natural supplement isn’t .. medical advice .. and I would seriously consider keeping my advice to myself .. We have been asking for 8 years that you to keep your advice to yourself.  What would it take to make you do so now? WARNING TO EVERYONE ELSE! I went to Tom’s web page and received some spyware cookies.  Once these things are on your computer they are almost impossible to get rid of.  They then send details of all your Internet activities back to their creators, like a virus.  I know how to clean them, most users do not.  Tom’s page is dirty, dirty, dirty.  Look into it, Tom. If anyone has been to his page, find a copy of a program to remove spyware.  One such program is called ad-aware available from http://www.lavasoftusa.com/ . This program is free and will clean Tom’s spyware from your machine.

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We are on our way out the door.  My husband’s sister, my SIL had a serious heart attack last night.  She was found in the grocery store.  She had no heart beat and they had to zap her 6 times before her heart started beating.  She is not conscious and is in the CCU.  The doctor says it does not look good and they do not know if she survives if she will have brain damage.  She is only 56 with a teen age daughter.  She lives 2-3 hours from here.  Please pray for her. Her name is Kathy Chandler.  She is a wonderful, loving, caring woman.  She is a nurse and cares for the elderly.  Don’t know when I will be back.  My husband is in pretty bad shape and I must remain strong for him.  Thank you.

Whatever my prayers are worth, you’ve got them. Julie Carter — You put Ohiohills in; you take the Yahoo out; you put Ohiohills in and you type your message out. You do the Hokey Pokey and you drop Julie a line. That’s what email’s about!

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Consider it done.  I hope she recovers. DeeTee DeeTee and Bob Taggart http://home.earthlink.net/~bdtaggart/

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We are on our way out the door.  My husband’s sister, my SIL had a serious heart attack last night.  She was found in the grocery store.  She had no heart beat and they had to zap her 6 times before her heart started beating.  She is not conscious and is in the CCU.  The doctor says it does not look good and they do not know if she survives if she will have brain damage.  She is only 56 with a teen age daughter.  She lives 2-3 hours from here.  Please pray for her. Her name is Kathy Chandler.  She is a wonderful, loving, caring woman.  She is a nurse and cares for the elderly.  Don’t know when I will be back.  My husband is in pretty bad shape and I must remain strong for him.  Thank you. Sincerely, MOT

Good thoughts are winging your way!

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Prayers are being said for Kathy and the rest of your family. Travel safely. And update us if you can. Duckie We are on our way out the door.  My husband’s sister, my SIL had a serious heart attack last night.  She was found in the grocery store.  She had no heart beat and they had to zap her 6 times before her heart started beating.  She is not conscious and is in the CCU.  The doctor says it does not look good and they do not know if she survives if she will have brain damage.  She is only 56 with a teen age daughter.  She lives 2-3 hours from here.  Please pray for her.  Her name is Kathy Chandler.  She is a wonderful, loving, caring woman.  She is a nurse and cares for the elderly.  Don’t know when I will be back.  My husband is in pretty bad shape and I must remain strong for him.  Thank you. Sincerely, MOT

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Healing wishes and good vibes for yer Sis-in-law, hubby, and you winging their way! Thinking of You Hugs from Rosie — "If you wanna get it done, you gotta fight for yourself."  – Meat Loaf, Bat Outta Hell II

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Prayers have been and will be prayed. Gwen

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I will pray for Kathy and her family that God gives them strength to get through this difficult time. Kate    Send in the clowns I will not drag you along; I will not leave you alone; I will stand by you and have my hand there for you to hold when you need it.

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We are on our way out the door.  My husband’s sister, my SIL had a serious heart attack last night.  

My thoughts are with you and your family during this difficult time. Prayers for a full recovery. Rose

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In my prayers today Mot.  Take it easy yourself as you continue to be there for those that need it in your family.  Let us know how it goes. Harv We are on our way out the door.  My husband’s sister, my SIL had a serious heart attack last night.  She was found in the grocery store.  She had no heart beat and they had to zap her 6 times before her heart started beating.  She is not conscious and is in the CCU.  The doctor says it does not look good and they do not know if she survives if she will have brain damage.  She is only 56 with a teen age daughter.  She lives 2-3 hours from here.  Please pray for her.  Her name is Kathy Chandler.  She is a wonderful, loving, caring woman.  She is a nurse and cares for the elderly.  Don’t know when I will be back.  My husband is in pretty bad shape and I must remain strong for him.  Thank you. Sincerely, MOT

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We are on our way out the door.  My husband’s sister, my SIL had a serious heart attack last night.  She was found in the grocery store.  She had no heart beat and they had to zap her 6 times before her heart started beating.  She is not conscious and is in the CCU.  The doctor says it does not look good and they do not know if she survives if she will have brain damage.  She is only 56 with a teen age daughter.  She lives 2-3 hours from here.  Please pray for her.  Her name is Kathy Chandler.  She is a wonderful, loving, caring woman.  She is a nurse and cares for the elderly.  Don’t know when I will be back.  My husband is in pretty bad shape and I must remain strong for him.  Thank you. Sincerely, MOT

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((((hugs))))  i’m sooo sorry this has happened to your family.  prayers for healing her are on their way.  prayers to support your efforts and your husband’s faith and courage will also be ongoing. kate

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OMG — yes exactly!!!  He stills claims I made up the diagnosis he had 20+ years ago on his knee. He doesn’t remember there actually was a diagnosis. LOL I think it was Reiter’s — I just looked it up. Guess what — that HLA-B27 gene is associated with it which is the only symptom he is having now at 52 is Iritis. Guess he is lucky. The knee swelled up hideously 2 days after he had the flu. It switch knees about a year later. He was on crutches for nearly two years. I remember reading at the time that Reiter’s had been considered a disease that only gays got but that idea was changing. I noticed that that is not even mentioned in the literature anymore. He has never mentioned having any trouble with his penis. But here is the hmmmm on my part. Back 25 years ago, I mention to the NP who was giving me my pelvic that I thought I was allergic to my husband. I told her I was always raw [for lack of a better word] afterward and it was not from overuse but felt like a rash albeit internal. During my examine, she confirmed that I was blood raw red everywhere internally. As 24 hours had not passed, it was very plain to see. She had no suggestions. It was always in the first ejaculation that caused this rash, so if I could get him to put it somewhere else, it never was a problem. Well, this is way too much information but I do think I will mention the whole thing to my RD when I see him. And I think I may print out the information on Reiter’s for my husband. Or maybe not — after all, he feels fine at the moment. Don’t want to rock the boat. :) Duckie

***mine used to ‘debate’ whether or not something was actually said by the doc, until we began taking a tape recorder.  for years, i’ve been researching and printing up information for him on his many dx’s and treatments.  i don’t think he’s ever read any of them.  it’s like he really believes, what he doesn’t know can’t hurt him or, if he knows too much then he will be filled with regret or something.  it is too much of a male mystery for me to comprehend.  i’ve kind of given up trying to. doctor’s are so accustomed to hearing it all, duckie.  so, if it will help your own cause/case, then you may as well let it all come out. kate – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Organization: AT&T Broadband Newsgroups: alt.support.arthritis ****you have one of those hubbys, too?  they make you have to be there to know anything.   then, they grumble when you listen too well and hear what they don’t want to hear.  sigh . . . kate

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Duckie….prayers sent for kassie, mom and dad!  Sue

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Duckie Prayers said!  Very nice of you to ask! Angela

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just got back from my dance studio. The owner’s little girl is in the hospital because her blood glucose is way too high. She is diabetic and it had been under control. Today was the first day of school here and she is in first grade. Having a chronic disease is crappy but a child having it, is just down right cruel. I am sure Children’s Hospital will straightened it all out but if you can say a quick prayer for Kassie and her mother, Linda and father, Bill I would appreciate it. Thanks Duckie

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Prayers already on the way, Duckie. Gwen

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prayers were on their way yesterday and are continuing.  (hands were a little sore, so i didn’t mention it when i first read this and lots of other postings i did not type responses to yesterday.)  i agree with you about children and chronic illnesses. kate

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just got back from my dance studio. The owner’s little girl is in the hospital because her blood glucose is way too high. She is diabetic and it had been under control. Today was the first day of school here and she is in first grade. Having a chronic disease is crappy but a child having it, is just down right cruel. I am sure Children’s Hospital will straightened it all out but if you can say a quick prayer for Kassie and her mother, Linda and father, Bill I would appreciate it. Thanks Duckie

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Prayers and {{{hugs}}}}} for Kassie and mom and dad, Linda and Bill going out ASAP.  It is awful for a children to have diabetes so young.  Just not fair. MOT

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little girl is in the hospital because her blood glucose is way too high.

  I’m seeing this a bit late Duckie. How is Kassie doing now? Sending prayers to her and her parents that her glucose gets in quick control and she can go home to her family. It’s so hard when a child is sick : ( Hoping your hills are never too steep! Be well, Patty

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As of yesterday, no one at the studio had heard anything but Linda was not in so was assuming that was not good news. Did find out it was Kassie’s creatinine levels which were high and that she was also running a 104 fever. I hate getting medical information third hand. It is like trying to find out what your husband’s doctor actually said instead of what your husband is actually telling you, if anything. How was the appointment — good. What did the doctor say about X – good. What were his exact words — I can’t remember. …… Duckie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Newsgroups: alt.support.arthritis little girl is in the hospital because her blood glucose is way too high. I’m seeing this a bit late Duckie. How is Kassie doing now? Sending prayers to her and her parents that her glucose gets in quick control and she can go home to her family. It’s so hard when a child is sick : ( Hoping your hills are never too steep! Be well, Patty

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As of yesterday, no one at the studio had heard anything but Linda was not in so was assuming that was not good news. Did find out it was Kassie’s creatinine levels which were high and that she was also running a 104 fever. I hate getting medical information third hand. It is like trying to find out what your husband’s doctor actually said instead of what your husband is actually telling you, if anything. How was the appointment — good. What did the doctor say about X – good. What were his exact words — I can’t remember. …… Duckie

****you have one of those hubbys, too?  they make you have to be there to know anything.   then, they grumble when you listen too well and hear what they don’t want to hear.  sigh . . . kate – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Newsgroups: alt.support.arthritis little girl is in the hospital because her blood glucose is way too high. I’m seeing this a bit late Duckie. How is Kassie doing now? Sending prayers to her and her parents that her glucose gets in quick control and she can go home to her family. It’s so hard when a child is sick : ( Hoping your hills are never too steep! Be well, Patty

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OMG — yes exactly!!!  He stills claims I made up the diagnosis he had 20+ years ago on his knee. He doesn’t remember there actually was a diagnosis. LOL I think it was Reiter’s — I just looked it up. Guess what — that HLA-B27 gene is associated with it which is the only symptom he is having now at 52 is Iritis. Guess he is lucky. The knee swelled up hideously 2 days after he had the flu. It switch knees about a year later. He was on crutches for nearly two years. I remember reading at the time that Reiter’s had been considered a disease that only gays got but that idea was changing. I noticed that that is not even mentioned in the literature anymore. He has never mentioned having any trouble with his penis. But here is the hmmmm on my part. Back 25 years ago, I mention to the NP who was giving me my pelvic that I thought I was allergic to my husband. I told her I was always raw [for lack of a better word] afterward and it was not from overuse but felt like a rash albeit internal. During my examine, she confirmed that I was blood raw red everywhere internally. As 24 hours had not passed, it was very plain to see. She had no suggestions. It was always in the first ejaculation that caused this rash, so if I could get him to put it somewhere else, it never was a problem. Well, this is way too much information but I do think I will mention the whole thing to my RD when I see him. And I think I may print out the information on Reiter’s for my husband. Or maybe not — after all, he feels fine at the moment. Don’t want to rock the boat. :) Duckie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Organization: AT&T Broadband Newsgroups: alt.support.arthritis ****you have one of those hubbys, too?  they make you have to be there to know anything.   then, they grumble when you listen too well and hear what they don’t want to hear.  sigh . . . kate

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Praying that they can figure out what caused this and get things back under control quickly!!!  Sending extra hugs for the family and for you too Duckie!!! Donna G

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Just got back from my dance studio. The owner’s little girl is in the hospital because her blood glucose is way too high. She is diabetic and it had been under control. Today was the first day of school here and she is in first grade. Having a chronic disease is crappy but a child having it, is just down right cruel. I am sure Children’s Hospital will straightened it all out but if you can say a quick prayer for Kassie and her mother, Linda and father, Bill I would appreciate it. Thanks Duckie

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Caroline, This family is in my prayers.  You are very thoughtful. debbie m. — http://www.angelfire.com/ga2/angels1/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just got back from my dance studio. The owner’s little girl is in the hospital because her blood glucose is way too high. She is diabetic and it had been under control. Today was the first day of school here and she is in first grade. Having a chronic disease is crappy but a child having it, is just down right cruel. I am sure Children’s Hospital will straightened it all out but if you can say a quick prayer for Kassie and her mother, Linda and father, Bill I would appreciate it. Thanks Duckie

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Aw, Blue Eyes, I’m so sorry.  I’ll keep you in my prayers too.  I’m so glad the pump is working for you.  Don’t think they’ll be able to use it on Nicky just yet.  There’s new thinking (*that* scares the hell outta me!) now on treatment.  Instead of changing diet, they regulate insulin dosage.  It scares me cuz they really don’t know what the long term effects will be.  I’m terrified that 10-20 years down the road they’ll discover "Oh heck!  That didn’t work."   Oh there I go babbling again. Hugs n prayers on ya, P. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Pam, Nicky will be in my thoughts and prayers. Being a type 1 diabetic myself (diagnosed at the age of 11), it’s not the end of the world.  With all the new advancements in the treatment and care of diabetes, your grandson will have a lot better life with diabetes than I did back in 1969.  If at all possible, see if he can be put on the insulin pump.  I just got mine last October and it is a life saver!  I know children can use it, but not sure about the age thing.  Control is the main agenda. Mine wasn’t controlled well and I have most of the complications to prove it.  So Nicky will have my special prayers. BTW, I am also an advocate for the ADA (American Diabetes Association) Hugs Blue Eyes Four months, one week, two days, 17 hours, 34 minutes and 19 seconds. 5189 cigarettes not smoked, saving $1,400.66. Life saved: 2 weeks, 4 days, 25 minutes.

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Thank you, Sue.  You (all of yuz) have no idea how much your responses mean to me … and to my family. Will pass those hugs on to Nicky.   Hugs back atcha, P. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh Pam, you certainly can count on my prayers for the little un.  What an awful shock you must have had.  I dont know that I wouldnt have done any different under the same circumstances.  Try and keep it all together, mate, and know that we will still be here when you’re ready to try again. (((((((((((((((((((((((((Nicky)))))))))))))))))))))))) Cheers Sue Seven months, one day, 9 hours, 47 minutes and 45 seconds. 6402 cigarettes not smoked, saving $1,921.04. Life saved: 3 weeks, 1 day, 5 hours, 30 minutes. I joined this group 12 days ago.  Read lots.  Didn’t post much.  Typing is a big trigger for me. At any rate, I had 11 smoke free days under my belt and was beginning to see the light.  Last night I blew that. That’s not why I’m asking for prayers.  What caused me to blow it was a phone call stating that my 2 year old grandson Nicky had been hospitalized with a blood sugar level of 600.  He’s now diagnosed with Type I diabetes and will be insulin dependent for the rest of his life. He’s only 2 friggen years old!!! So I’m asking those of you who are inclined to pray to please keep Nicky Young in those prayers. Believe me, you haven’t seen the last of me.  I will continue to read. As soon as I get my act together and stop shaking I’ll be back to my quit, but for the moment things just got too bad too early on. Not that this hasn’t happened before.  First quit, hubby had a massive heart attack; second, daughter (then 19) was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis; another, my Mom had a stroke; there were 3 major family member car accidents in one week; my daughter-in-law (Nicky’s Mom) was diagnosed with Lupus; and there was my Graves’ Disease, glaucoma, cataracts and Thyroid Eye disease. After all that, I really thought I had it worked out cognitively.  Bad shit’s gonna happen whether I smoke or not.  I thought I was prepared. But I wasn’t prepared for this.  My God!  He’s just a baby!!!! I’ll shut up now.  Sorry for babbling. TIA for any prayers, good thoughts you can send our way. Hugs on all of yuz, P. Meter stuck at 1W 3D 23H 43M

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Thank you Rosie … all are deeply appreciated. Hugs, P. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (prayers are coming) — read and post daily, it works! rosie A man can’t ride your back unless it’s bent. I joined this group 12 days ago.  Read lots.  Didn’t post much.  Typing is a big trigger for me. At any rate, I had 11 smoke free days under my belt and was beginning to see the light.  Last night I blew that. That’s not why I’m asking for prayers.  What caused me to blow it was a phone call stating that my 2 year old grandson Nicky had been hospitalized with a blood sugar level of 600.  He’s now diagnosed with Type I diabetes and will be insulin dependent for the rest of his life. He’s only 2 friggen years old!!! So I’m asking those of you who are inclined to pray to please keep Nicky Young in those prayers. Believe me, you haven’t seen the last of me.  I will continue to read. As soon as I get my act together and stop shaking I’ll be back to my quit, but for the moment things just got too bad too early on. Not that this hasn’t happened before.  First quit, hubby had a massive heart attack; second, daughter (then 19) was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis; another, my Mom had a stroke; there were 3 major family member car accidents in one week; my daughter-in-law (Nicky’s Mom) was diagnosed with Lupus; and there was my Graves’ Disease, glaucoma, cataracts and Thyroid Eye disease. After all that, I really thought I had it worked out cognitively.  Bad shit’s gonna happen whether I smoke or not.  I thought I was prepared. But I wasn’t prepared for this.  My God!  He’s just a baby!!!! I’ll shut up now.  Sorry for babbling. TIA for any prayers, good thoughts you can send our way. Hugs on all of yuz, P. Meter stuck at 1W 3D 23H 43M

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Prayers for Nicky!! He is okay now (right?) and they figured out what the problem is. So that is the bright side. And kids are SO resilient. Far more than we adults. He will be fine, he’ll adjust to what needs to be done.

Not quite, hon.  They’re still having trouble regulating his blood sugar, but it’s looking better tonight than it has before. And yes, he’ll adjust just fine … God bless the little ones. A nurse came in to test his blood sugar this afternoon.  I would have expected him to hide.  Instead he beamed, stuck out his finger and said "This is very good!"   Don’t YOU carry it, though, huh? We don’t want him thinking more about his granny smoking than he does about the diabetes, one day.

Can’t help but carry it.  I love him dearly.  But I’m also a mother. If anything happens to that little guy, it *will* destroy my son. Nicky is his only child.  And since my son (at his wife’s behest – oh screw that – demand) had a vasectomy 2 months ago, Nicky is most likely to remain his only child. There’s a lot of information about diabetes treatment online.

Thanks, luv.  As soon as I get my shit together, I’ll be out there lookin’. RE: your bad quit luck.. YIKES.  You need to see someone for a clearing or something,  you have some bad luck going on when you quit! Then again, the bad luck might be a test, you have to keep your quit to stop it from re-occurring…

Yeah … right?  I keep thinking God is saying "So.  You *really* wanna quit?" Yeah … I do!  And I will! :P  (Sorry Lord!) Prayers of healing for your grandson. He’ll heal before everyone else does. Kids have special angels. He’ll be okay. YOU Be Okay, too.. okay??

Bless you Kita.  You’re so right. I’ll be okay … promise. Thank you for the prayers and words of wisdom. Big hugs on ya, P.             /          /            /    ^~~^  /             /     ( ” )              /     {      }             /        "  "                      YE OLDE BAT Visit my family at: Family http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1758064&a=13553519&pw= Chicks http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1758064&a=30048787&pw= My Kids http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1758064&a=30049381&pw= – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – kita I joined this group 12 days ago.  Read lots.  Didn’t post much.  Typing is a big trigger for me. At any rate, I had 11 smoke free days under my belt and was beginning to see the light.  Last night I blew that.   That’s not why I’m asking for prayers.  What caused me to blow it was a phone call stating that my 2 year old grandson Nicky had been hospitalized with a blood sugar level of 600.  He’s now diagnosed with Type I diabetes and will be insulin dependent for the rest of his life. He’s only 2 friggen years old!!! So I’m asking those of you who are inclined to pray to please keep Nicky Young in those prayers. Believe me, you haven’t seen the last of me.  I will continue to read. As soon as I get my act together and stop shaking I’ll be back to my quit, but for the moment things just got too bad too early on. Not that this hasn’t happened before.  First quit, hubby had a massive heart attack; second, daughter (then 19) was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis; another, my Mom had a stroke; there were 3 major family member car accidents in one week; my daughter-in-law (Nicky’s Mom) was diagnosed with Lupus; and there was my Graves’ Disease, glaucoma, cataracts and Thyroid Eye disease.   After all that, I really thought I had it worked out cognitively.  Bad shit’s gonna happen whether I smoke or not.  I thought I was prepared. But I wasn’t prepared for this.  My God!  He’s just a baby!!!! I’ll shut up now.  Sorry for babbling. TIA for any prayers, good thoughts you can send our way. Hugs on all of yuz, P. Meter stuck at 1W 3D 23H 43M

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aaawwwwww, Pam…hugs and prayers coming your way for all of you.  That is really a tough one….so young!! Sally OF

That’s good to hear from an OF Sally.  Your funnies keep my spirits up. Hugs and prayers gratefully accepted and deeply appreciated. P.             /          /            /    ^~~^  /             /     ( ” )              /     {      }             /        "  "                      YE OLDE BAT Visit my family at: Family http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1758064&a=13553519&pw= Chicks http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1758064&a=30048787&pw= My Kids http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1758064&a=30049381&pw= – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I joined this group 12 days ago.  Read lots.  Didn’t post much.  Typing is a big trigger for me. At any rate, I had 11 smoke free days under my belt and was beginning to see the light.  Last night I blew that. That’s not why I’m asking for prayers.  What caused me to blow it was a phone call stating that my 2 year old grandson Nicky had been hospitalized with a blood sugar level of 600.  He’s now diagnosed with Type I diabetes and will be insulin dependent for the rest of his life. He’s only 2 friggen years old!!! So I’m asking those of you who are inclined to pray to please keep Nicky Young in those prayers. Believe me, you haven’t seen the last of me.  I will continue to read. As soon as I get my act together and stop shaking I’ll be back to my quit, but for the moment things just got too bad too early on. Not that this hasn’t happened before.  First quit, hubby had a massive heart attack; second, daughter (then 19) was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis; another, my Mom had a stroke; there were 3 major family member car accidents in one week; my daughter-in-law (Nicky’s Mom) was diagnosed with Lupus; and there was my Graves’ Disease, glaucoma, cataracts and Thyroid Eye disease. After all that, I really thought I had it worked out cognitively.  Bad shit’s gonna happen whether I smoke or not.  I thought I was prepared. But I wasn’t prepared for this.  My God!  He’s just a baby!!!! I’ll shut up now.  Sorry for babbling. TIA for any prayers, good thoughts you can send our way. Hugs on all of yuz, P. Meter stuck at 1W 3D 23H 43M

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Pam, Nicky will be in my thoughts and prayers. Being a type 1 diabetic myself (diagnosed at the age of 11), it’s not the end of the world.  With all the new advancements in the treatment and care of diabetes, your grandson will have a lot better life with diabetes than I did back in 1969.  If at all possible, see if he can be put on the insulin pump.  I just got mine last October and it is a life saver!  I know children can use it, but not sure about the age thing.  Control is the main agenda. Mine wasn’t controlled well and I have most of the complications to prove it.  So Nicky will have my special prayers. BTW, I am also an advocate for the ADA (American Diabetes Association) Hugs Blue Eyes Four months, one week, two days, 17 hours, 34 minutes and 19 seconds. 5189 cigarettes not smoked, saving $1,400.66. Life saved: 2 weeks, 4 days, 25 minutes.

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Oh Pam, you certainly can count on my prayers for the little un.  What an awful shock you must have had.  I dont know that I wouldnt have done any different under the same circumstances.  Try and keep it all together, mate, and know that we will still be here when you’re ready to try again. (((((((((((((((((((((((((Nicky)))))))))))))))))))))))) Cheers Sue Seven months, one day, 9 hours, 47 minutes and 45 seconds. 6402 cigarettes not smoked, saving $1,921.04. Life saved: 3 weeks, 1 day, 5 hours, 30 minutes. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I joined this group 12 days ago.  Read lots.  Didn’t post much.  Typing is a big trigger for me. At any rate, I had 11 smoke free days under my belt and was beginning to see the light.  Last night I blew that. That’s not why I’m asking for prayers.  What caused me to blow it was a phone call stating that my 2 year old grandson Nicky had been hospitalized with a blood sugar level of 600.  He’s now diagnosed with Type I diabetes and will be insulin dependent for the rest of his life. He’s only 2 friggen years old!!! So I’m asking those of you who are inclined to pray to please keep Nicky Young in those prayers. Believe me, you haven’t seen the last of me.  I will continue to read. As soon as I get my act together and stop shaking I’ll be back to my quit, but for the moment things just got too bad too early on. Not that this hasn’t happened before.  First quit, hubby had a massive heart attack; second, daughter (then 19) was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis; another, my Mom had a stroke; there were 3 major family member car accidents in one week; my daughter-in-law (Nicky’s Mom) was diagnosed with Lupus; and there was my Graves’ Disease, glaucoma, cataracts and Thyroid Eye disease. After all that, I really thought I had it worked out cognitively.  Bad shit’s gonna happen whether I smoke or not.  I thought I was prepared. But I wasn’t prepared for this.  My God!  He’s just a baby!!!! I’ll shut up now.  Sorry for babbling. TIA for any prayers, good thoughts you can send our way. Hugs on all of yuz, P. Meter stuck at 1W 3D 23H 43M

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(prayers are coming) — read and post daily, it works! rosie A man can’t ride your back unless it’s bent. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I joined this group 12 days ago.  Read lots.  Didn’t post much.  Typing is a big trigger for me. At any rate, I had 11 smoke free days under my belt and was beginning to see the light.  Last night I blew that. That’s not why I’m asking for prayers.  What caused me to blow it was a phone call stating that my 2 year old grandson Nicky had been hospitalized with a blood sugar level of 600.  He’s now diagnosed with Type I diabetes and will be insulin dependent for the rest of his life. He’s only 2 friggen years old!!! So I’m asking those of you who are inclined to pray to please keep Nicky Young in those prayers. Believe me, you haven’t seen the last of me.  I will continue to read. As soon as I get my act together and stop shaking I’ll be back to my quit, but for the moment things just got too bad too early on. Not that this hasn’t happened before.  First quit, hubby had a massive heart attack; second, daughter (then 19) was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis; another, my Mom had a stroke; there were 3 major family member car accidents in one week; my daughter-in-law (Nicky’s Mom) was diagnosed with Lupus; and there was my Graves’ Disease, glaucoma, cataracts and Thyroid Eye disease. After all that, I really thought I had it worked out cognitively.  Bad shit’s gonna happen whether I smoke or not.  I thought I was prepared. But I wasn’t prepared for this.  My God!  He’s just a baby!!!! I’ll shut up now.  Sorry for babbling. TIA for any prayers, good thoughts you can send our way. Hugs on all of yuz, P. Meter stuck at 1W 3D 23H 43M

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give you strength to continue with your quit during this difficult time……. Katie VOF

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I joined this group 12 days ago.  Read lots.  Didn’t post much.  Typing is a big trigger for me. At any rate, I had 11 smoke free days under my belt and was beginning to see the light.  Last night I blew that.   That’s not why I’m asking for prayers.  What caused me to blow it was a phone call stating that my 2 year old grandson Nicky had been hospitalized with a blood sugar level of 600.  He’s now diagnosed with Type I diabetes and will be insulin dependent for the rest of his life. He’s only 2 friggen years old!!! So I’m asking those of you who are inclined to pray to please keep Nicky Young in those prayers. Believe me, you haven’t seen the last of me.  I will continue to read. As soon as I get my act together and stop shaking I’ll be back to my quit, but for the moment things just got too bad too early on. Not that this hasn’t happened before.  First quit, hubby had a massive heart attack; second, daughter (then 19) was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis; another, my Mom had a stroke; there were 3 major family member car accidents in one week; my daughter-in-law (Nicky’s Mom) was diagnosed with Lupus; and there was my Graves’ Disease, glaucoma, cataracts and Thyroid Eye disease.   After all that, I really thought I had it worked out cognitively.  Bad shit’s gonna happen whether I smoke or not.  I thought I was prepared. But I wasn’t prepared for this.  My God!  He’s just a baby!!!! I’ll shut up now.  Sorry for babbling. TIA for any prayers, good thoughts you can send our way. Hugs on all of yuz, P. Meter stuck at 1W 3D 23H 43M

coming your way, and for your little guy…hope things get under control quick…!  My Moms insulin dependent, no fun. Please Dont beat yourself up for smoking…..Thats alot to handle especially into your 2nd week.  You will succeede when things are more calm.   Take care of yourself during this time too. Nancy AKA Taterbug 2 Weeks Tonite

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Good thoughts going the way of the little feller Pam. So young yes, but they can do wonderful things now, and it is very controllable. But a shock to your system, I totally understand. Hang in there and don’t be a stranger, and when the quit comes round again, let us know okies! Paula

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I joined this group 12 days ago.  Read lots.  Didn’t post much.  Typing is a big trigger for me. At any rate, I had 11 smoke free days under my belt and was beginning to see the light.  Last night I blew that. That’s not why I’m asking for prayers.  What caused me to blow it was a phone call stating that my 2 year old grandson Nicky had been hospitalized with a blood sugar level of 600.  He’s now diagnosed with Type I diabetes and will be insulin dependent for the rest of his life. He’s only 2 friggen years old!!! So I’m asking those of you who are inclined to pray to please keep Nicky Young in those prayers. Believe me, you haven’t seen the last of me.  I will continue to read. As soon as I get my act together and stop shaking I’ll be back to my quit, but for the moment things just got too bad too early on. Not that this hasn’t happened before.  First quit, hubby had a massive heart attack; second, daughter (then 19) was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis; another, my Mom had a stroke; there were 3 major family member car accidents in one week; my daughter-in-law (Nicky’s Mom) was diagnosed with Lupus; and there was my Graves’ Disease, glaucoma, cataracts and Thyroid Eye disease. After all that, I really thought I had it worked out cognitively.  Bad shit’s gonna happen whether I smoke or not.  I thought I was prepared. But I wasn’t prepared for this.  My God!  He’s just a baby!!!! I’ll shut up now.  Sorry for babbling. TIA for any prayers, good thoughts you can send our way. Hugs on all of yuz, P. Meter stuck at 1W 3D 23H 43M

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Pam I just hate to see little kids get these kind of diseases, its terrible they have to be burdened with them so young. I will pray for Nicky and you too. You will be back soon, I’m sure. Paul D Six months, one day, 13 hours, 17 minutes and 1 second. 9177 cigarettes not smoked, saving $1,009.31. Life saved: 4 weeks, 3 days, 20 hours, 45 minutes.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I joined this group 12 days ago.  Read lots.  Didn’t post much.  Typing is a big trigger for me. At any rate, I had 11 smoke free days under my belt and was beginning to see the light.  Last night I blew that. That’s not why I’m asking for prayers.  What caused me to blow it was a phone call stating that my 2 year old grandson Nicky had been hospitalized with a blood sugar level of 600.  He’s now diagnosed with Type I diabetes and will be insulin dependent for the rest of his life. He’s only 2 friggen years old!!! So I’m asking those of you who are inclined to pray to please keep Nicky Young in those prayers. Believe me, you haven’t seen the last of me.  I will continue to read. As soon as I get my act together and stop shaking I’ll be back to my quit, but for the moment things just got too bad too early on. Not that this hasn’t happened before.  First quit, hubby had a massive heart attack; second, daughter (then 19) was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis; another, my Mom had a stroke; there were 3 major family member car accidents in one week; my daughter-in-law (Nicky’s Mom) was diagnosed with Lupus; and there was my Graves’ Disease, glaucoma, cataracts and Thyroid Eye disease. After all that, I really thought I had it worked out cognitively.  Bad shit’s gonna happen whether I smoke or not.  I thought I was prepared. But I wasn’t prepared for this.  My God!  He’s just a baby!!!! I’ll shut up now.  Sorry for babbling. TIA for any prayers, good thoughts you can send our way. Hugs on all of yuz, P. Meter stuck at 1W 3D 23H 43M

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Prayers for Nicky!! He is okay now (right?) and they figured out what the problem is. So that is the bright side. And kids are SO resilient. Far more than we adults. He will be fine, he’ll adjust to what needs to be done. Don’t YOU carry it, though, huh? We don’t want him thinking more about his granny smoking than he does about the diabetes, one day. There’s a lot of information about diabetes treatment online. RE: your bad quit luck.. YIKES.  You need to see someone for a clearing or something,  you have some bad luck going on when you quit! Then again, the bad luck might be a test, you have to keep your quit to stop it from re-occurring… Prayers of healing for your grandson. He’ll heal before everyone else does. Kids have special angels. He’ll be okay. YOU Be Okay, too.. okay?? kita – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I joined this group 12 days ago.  Read lots.  Didn’t post much.  Typing is a big trigger for me. At any rate, I had 11 smoke free days under my belt and was beginning to see the light.  Last night I blew that.   That’s not why I’m asking for prayers.  What caused me to blow it was a phone call stating that my 2 year old grandson Nicky had been hospitalized with a blood sugar level of 600.  He’s now diagnosed with Type I diabetes and will be insulin dependent for the rest of his life. He’s only 2 friggen years old!!! So I’m asking those of you who are inclined to pray to please keep Nicky Young in those prayers. Believe me, you haven’t seen the last of me.  I will continue to read. As soon as I get my act together and stop shaking I’ll be back to my quit, but for the moment things just got too bad too early on. Not that this hasn’t happened before.  First quit, hubby had a massive heart attack; second, daughter (then 19) was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis; another, my Mom had a stroke; there were 3 major family member car accidents in one week; my daughter-in-law (Nicky’s Mom) was diagnosed with Lupus; and there was my Graves’ Disease, glaucoma, cataracts and Thyroid Eye disease.   After all that, I really thought I had it worked out cognitively.  Bad shit’s gonna happen whether I smoke or not.  I thought I was prepared. But I wasn’t prepared for this.  My God!  He’s just a baby!!!! I’ll shut up now.  Sorry for babbling. TIA for any prayers, good thoughts you can send our way. Hugs on all of yuz, P. Meter stuck at 1W 3D 23H 43M

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aaawwwwww, Pam…hugs and prayers coming your way for all of you.  That is really a tough one….so young!! Sally OF

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I joined this group 12 days ago.  Read lots.  Didn’t post much.  Typing is a big trigger for me. At any rate, I had 11 smoke free days under my belt and was beginning to see the light.  Last night I blew that. That’s not why I’m asking for prayers.  What caused me to blow it was a phone call stating that my 2 year old grandson Nicky had been hospitalized with a blood sugar level of 600.  He’s now diagnosed with Type I diabetes and will be insulin dependent for the rest of his life. He’s only 2 friggen years old!!! So I’m asking those of you who are inclined to pray to please keep Nicky Young in those prayers. Believe me, you haven’t seen the last of me.  I will continue to read. As soon as I get my act together and stop shaking I’ll be back to my quit, but for the moment things just got too bad too early on. Not that this hasn’t happened before.  First quit, hubby had a massive heart attack; second, daughter (then 19) was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis; another, my Mom had a stroke; there were 3 major family member car accidents in one week; my daughter-in-law (Nicky’s Mom) was diagnosed with Lupus; and there was my Graves’ Disease, glaucoma, cataracts and Thyroid Eye disease. After all that, I really thought I had it worked out cognitively.  Bad shit’s gonna happen whether I smoke or not.  I thought I was prepared. But I wasn’t prepared for this.  My God!  He’s just a baby!!!! I’ll shut up now.  Sorry for babbling. TIA for any prayers, good thoughts you can send our way. Hugs on all of yuz, P. Meter stuck at 1W 3D 23H 43M

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I joined this group 12 days ago.  Read lots.  Didn’t post much.  Typing is a big trigger for me. At any rate, I had 11 smoke free days under my belt and was beginning to see the light.  Last night I blew that.   That’s not why I’m asking for prayers.  What caused me to blow it was a phone call stating that my 2 year old grandson Nicky had been hospitalized with a blood sugar level of 600.  He’s now diagnosed with Type I diabetes and will be insulin dependent for the rest of his life. He’s only 2 friggen years old!!! So I’m asking those of you who are inclined to pray to please keep Nicky Young in those prayers. Believe me, you haven’t seen the last of me.  I will continue to read. As soon as I get my act together and stop shaking I’ll be back to my quit, but for the moment things just got too bad too early on. Not that this hasn’t happened before.  First quit, hubby had a massive heart attack; second, daughter (then 19) was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis; another, my Mom had a stroke; there were 3 major family member car accidents in one week; my daughter-in-law (Nicky’s Mom) was diagnosed with Lupus; and there was my Graves’ Disease, glaucoma, cataracts and Thyroid Eye disease.   After all that, I really thought I had it worked out cognitively.  Bad shit’s gonna happen whether I smoke or not.  I thought I was prepared. But I wasn’t prepared for this.  My God!  He’s just a baby!!!! I’ll shut up now.  Sorry for babbling. TIA for any prayers, good thoughts you can send our way. Hugs on all of yuz, P. Meter stuck at 1W 3D 23H 43M

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Aw, Blue Eyes, I’m so sorry.  I’ll keep you in my prayers too.  I’m so glad the pump is working for you.  Don’t think they’ll be able to use it on Nicky just yet.  There’s new thinking (*that* scares the hell outta me!) now on treatment.  Instead of changing diet, they regulate insulin dosage.  It scares me cuz they really don’t know what the long term effects will be.  I’m terrified that 10-20 years down the road they’ll discover "Oh heck!  That didn’t work."   Oh there I go babbling again. Hugs n prayers on ya, P. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Pam, Nicky will be in my thoughts and prayers. Being a type 1 diabetic myself (diagnosed at the age of 11), it’s not the end of the world.  With all the new advancements in the treatment and care of diabetes, your grandson will have a lot better life with diabetes than I did back in 1969.  If at all possible, see if he can be put on the insulin pump.  I just got mine last October and it is a life saver!  I know children can use it, but not sure about the age thing.  Control is the main agenda. Mine wasn’t controlled well and I have most of the complications to prove it.  So Nicky will have my special prayers. BTW, I am also an advocate for the ADA (American Diabetes Association) Hugs Blue Eyes Four months, one week, two days, 17 hours, 34 minutes and 19 seconds. 5189 cigarettes not smoked, saving $1,400.66. Life saved: 2 weeks, 4 days, 25 minutes.

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Thank you, Sue.  You (all of yuz) have no idea how much your responses mean to me … and to my family. Will pass those hugs on to Nicky.   Hugs back atcha, P. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh Pam, you certainly can count on my prayers for the little un.  What an awful shock you must have had.  I dont know that I wouldnt have done any different under the same circumstances.  Try and keep it all together, mate, and know that we will still be here when you’re ready to try again. (((((((((((((((((((((((((Nicky)))))))))))))))))))))))) Cheers Sue Seven months, one day, 9 hours, 47 minutes and 45 seconds. 6402 cigarettes not smoked, saving $1,921.04. Life saved: 3 weeks, 1 day, 5 hours, 30 minutes. I joined this group 12 days ago.  Read lots.  Didn’t post much.  Typing is a big trigger for me. At any rate, I had 11 smoke free days under my belt and was beginning to see the light.  Last night I blew that. That’s not why I’m asking for prayers.  What caused me to blow it was a phone call stating that my 2 year old grandson Nicky had been hospitalized with a blood sugar level of 600.  He’s now diagnosed with Type I diabetes and will be insulin dependent for the rest of his life. He’s only 2 friggen years old!!! So I’m asking those of you who are inclined to pray to please keep Nicky Young in those prayers. Believe me, you haven’t seen the last of me.  I will continue to read. As soon as I get my act together and stop shaking I’ll be back to my quit, but for the moment things just got too bad too early on. Not that this hasn’t happened before.  First quit, hubby had a massive heart attack; second, daughter (then 19) was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis; another, my Mom had a stroke; there were 3 major family member car accidents in one week; my daughter-in-law (Nicky’s Mom) was diagnosed with Lupus; and there was my Graves’ Disease, glaucoma, cataracts and Thyroid Eye disease. After all that, I really thought I had it worked out cognitively.  Bad shit’s gonna happen whether I smoke or not.  I thought I was prepared. But I wasn’t prepared for this.  My God!  He’s just a baby!!!! I’ll shut up now.  Sorry for babbling. TIA for any prayers, good thoughts you can send our way. Hugs on all of yuz, P. Meter stuck at 1W 3D 23H 43M

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Thank you Rosie … all are deeply appreciated. Hugs, P. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (prayers are coming) — read and post daily, it works! rosie A man can’t ride your back unless it’s bent. I joined this group 12 days ago.  Read lots.  Didn’t post much.  Typing is a big trigger for me. At any rate, I had 11 smoke free days under my belt and was beginning to see the light.  Last night I blew that. That’s not why I’m asking for prayers.  What caused me to blow it was a phone call stating that my 2 year old grandson Nicky had been hospitalized with a blood sugar level of 600.  He’s now diagnosed with Type I diabetes and will be insulin dependent for the rest of his life. He’s only 2 friggen years old!!! So I’m asking those of you who are inclined to pray to please keep Nicky Young in those prayers. Believe me, you haven’t seen the last of me.  I will continue to read. As soon as I get my act together and stop shaking I’ll be back to my quit, but for the moment things just got too bad too early on. Not that this hasn’t happened before.  First quit, hubby had a massive heart attack; second, daughter (then 19) was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis; another, my Mom had a stroke; there were 3 major family member car accidents in one week; my daughter-in-law (Nicky’s Mom) was diagnosed with Lupus; and there was my Graves’ Disease, glaucoma, cataracts and Thyroid Eye disease. After all that, I really thought I had it worked out cognitively.  Bad shit’s gonna happen whether I smoke or not.  I thought I was prepared. But I wasn’t prepared for this.  My God!  He’s just a baby!!!! I’ll shut up now.  Sorry for babbling. TIA for any prayers, good thoughts you can send our way. Hugs on all of yuz, P. Meter stuck at 1W 3D 23H 43M

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Prayers for Nicky!! He is okay now (right?) and they figured out what the problem is. So that is the bright side. And kids are SO resilient. Far more than we adults. He will be fine, he’ll adjust to what needs to be done.

Not quite, hon.  They’re still having trouble regulating his blood sugar, but it’s looking better tonight than it has before. And yes, he’ll adjust just fine … God bless the little ones. A nurse came in to test his blood sugar this afternoon.  I would have expected him to hide.  Instead he beamed, stuck out his finger and said "This is very good!"   Don’t YOU carry it, though, huh? We don’t want him thinking more about his granny smoking than he does about the diabetes, one day.

Can’t help but carry it.  I love him dearly.  But I’m also a mother. If anything happens to that little guy, it *will* destroy my son. Nicky is his only child.  And since my son (at his wife’s behest – oh screw that – demand) had a vasectomy 2 months ago, Nicky is most likely to remain his only child. There’s a lot of information about diabetes treatment online.

Thanks, luv.  As soon as I get my shit together, I’ll be out there lookin’. RE: your bad quit luck.. YIKES.  You need to see someone for a clearing or something,  you have some bad luck going on when you quit! Then again, the bad luck might be a test, you have to keep your quit to stop it from re-occurring…

Yeah … right?  I keep thinking God is saying "So.  You *really* wanna quit?" Yeah … I do!  And I will! :P  (Sorry Lord!) Prayers of healing for your grandson. He’ll heal before everyone else does. Kids have special angels. He’ll be okay. YOU Be Okay, too.. okay??

Bless you Kita.  You’re so right. I’ll be okay … promise. Thank you for the prayers and words of wisdom. Big hugs on ya, P.             /          /            /    ^~~^  /             /     ( ” )              /     {      }             /        "  "                      YE OLDE BAT Visit my family at: Family http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1758064&a=13553519&pw= Chicks http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1758064&a=30048787&pw= My Kids http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1758064&a=30049381&pw= – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – kita I joined this group 12 days ago.  Read lots.  Didn’t post much.  Typing is a big trigger for me. At any rate, I had 11 smoke free days under my belt and was beginning to see the light.  Last night I blew that.   That’s not why I’m asking for prayers.  What caused me to blow it was a phone call stating that my 2 year old grandson Nicky had been hospitalized with a blood sugar level of 600.  He’s now diagnosed with Type I diabetes and will be insulin dependent for the rest of his life. He’s only 2 friggen years old!!! So I’m asking those of you who are inclined to pray to please keep Nicky Young in those prayers. Believe me, you haven’t seen the last of me.  I will continue to read. As soon as I get my act together and stop shaking I’ll be back to my quit, but for the moment things just got too bad too early on. Not that this hasn’t happened before.  First quit, hubby had a massive heart attack; second, daughter (then 19) was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis; another, my Mom had a stroke; there were 3 major family member car accidents in one week; my daughter-in-law (Nicky’s Mom) was diagnosed with Lupus; and there was my Graves’ Disease, glaucoma, cataracts and Thyroid Eye disease.   After all that, I really thought I had it worked out cognitively.  Bad shit’s gonna happen whether I smoke or not.  I thought I was prepared. But I wasn’t prepared for this.  My God!  He’s just a baby!!!! I’ll shut up now.  Sorry for babbling. TIA for any prayers, good thoughts you can send our way. Hugs on all of yuz, P. Meter stuck at 1W 3D 23H 43M

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aaawwwwww, Pam…hugs and prayers coming your way for all of you.  That is really a tough one….so young!! Sally OF

That’s good to hear from an OF Sally.  Your funnies keep my spirits up. Hugs and prayers gratefully accepted and deeply appreciated. P.             /          /            /    ^~~^  /             /     ( ” )              /     {      }             /        "  "                      YE OLDE BAT Visit my family at: Family http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1758064&a=13553519&pw= Chicks http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1758064&a=30048787&pw= My Kids http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1758064&a=30049381&pw= – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I joined this group 12 days ago.  Read lots.  Didn’t post much.  Typing is a big trigger for me. At any rate, I had 11 smoke free days under my belt and was beginning to see the light.  Last night I blew that. That’s not why I’m asking for prayers.  What caused me to blow it was a phone call stating that my 2 year old grandson Nicky had been hospitalized with a blood sugar level of 600.  He’s now diagnosed with Type I diabetes and will be insulin dependent for the rest of his life. He’s only 2 friggen years old!!! So I’m asking those of you who are inclined to pray to please keep Nicky Young in those prayers. Believe me, you haven’t seen the last of me.  I will continue to read. As soon as I get my act together and stop shaking I’ll be back to my quit, but for the moment things just got too bad too early on. Not that this hasn’t happened before.  First quit, hubby had a massive heart attack; second, daughter (then 19) was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis; another, my Mom had a stroke; there were 3 major family member car accidents in one week; my daughter-in-law (Nicky’s Mom) was diagnosed with Lupus; and there was my Graves’ Disease, glaucoma, cataracts and Thyroid Eye disease. After all that, I really thought I had it worked out cognitively.  Bad shit’s gonna happen whether I smoke or not.  I thought I was prepared. But I wasn’t prepared for this.  My God!  He’s just a baby!!!! I’ll shut up now.  Sorry for babbling. TIA for any prayers, good thoughts you can send our way. Hugs on all of yuz, P. Meter stuck at 1W 3D 23H 43M

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Pam, Nicky will be in my thoughts and prayers. Being a type 1 diabetic myself (diagnosed at the age of 11), it’s not the end of the world.  With all the new advancements in the treatment and care of diabetes, your grandson will have a lot better life with diabetes than I did back in 1969.  If at all possible, see if he can be put on the insulin pump.  I just got mine last October and it is a life saver!  I know children can use it, but not sure about the age thing.  Control is the main agenda. Mine wasn’t controlled well and I have most of the complications to prove it.  So Nicky will have my special prayers. BTW, I am also an advocate for the ADA (American Diabetes Association) Hugs Blue Eyes Four months, one week, two days, 17 hours, 34 minutes and 19 seconds. 5189 cigarettes not smoked, saving $1,400.66. Life saved: 2 weeks, 4 days, 25 minutes.

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Oh Pam, you certainly can count on my prayers for the little un.  What an awful shock you must have had.  I dont know that I wouldnt have done any different under the same circumstances.  Try and keep it all together, mate, and know that we will still be here when you’re ready to try again. (((((((((((((((((((((((((Nicky)))))))))))))))))))))))) Cheers Sue Seven months, one day, 9 hours, 47 minutes and 45 seconds. 6402 cigarettes not smoked, saving $1,921.04. Life saved: 3 weeks, 1 day, 5 hours, 30 minutes. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I joined this group 12 days ago.  Read lots.  Didn’t post much.  Typing is a big trigger for me. At any rate, I had 11 smoke free days under my belt and was beginning to see the light.  Last night I blew that. That’s not why I’m asking for prayers.  What caused me to blow it was a phone call stating that my 2 year old grandson Nicky had been hospitalized with a blood sugar level of 600.  He’s now diagnosed with Type I diabetes and will be insulin dependent for the rest of his life. He’s only 2 friggen years old!!! So I’m asking those of you who are inclined to pray to please keep Nicky Young in those prayers. Believe me, you haven’t seen the last of me.  I will continue to read. As soon as I get my act together and stop shaking I’ll be back to my quit, but for the moment things just got too bad too early on. Not that this hasn’t happened before.  First quit, hubby had a massive heart attack; second, daughter (then 19) was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis; another, my Mom had a stroke; there were 3 major family member car accidents in one week; my daughter-in-law (Nicky’s Mom) was diagnosed with Lupus; and there was my Graves’ Disease, glaucoma, cataracts and Thyroid Eye disease. After all that, I really thought I had it worked out cognitively.  Bad shit’s gonna happen whether I smoke or not.  I thought I was prepared. But I wasn’t prepared for this.  My God!  He’s just a baby!!!! I’ll shut up now.  Sorry for babbling. TIA for any prayers, good thoughts you can send our way. Hugs on all of yuz, P. Meter stuck at 1W 3D 23H 43M

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(prayers are coming) — read and post daily, it works! rosie A man can’t ride your back unless it’s bent. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I joined this group 12 days ago.  Read lots.  Didn’t post much.  Typing is a big trigger for me. At any rate, I had 11 smoke free days under my belt and was beginning to see the light.  Last night I blew that. That’s not why I’m asking for prayers.  What caused me to blow it was a phone call stating that my 2 year old grandson Nicky had been hospitalized with a blood sugar level of 600.  He’s now diagnosed with Type I diabetes and will be insulin dependent for the rest of his life. He’s only 2 friggen years old!!! So I’m asking those of you who are inclined to pray to please keep Nicky Young in those prayers. Believe me, you haven’t seen the last of me.  I will continue to read. As soon as I get my act together and stop shaking I’ll be back to my quit, but for the moment things just got too bad too early on. Not that this hasn’t happened before.  First quit, hubby had a massive heart attack; second, daughter (then 19) was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis; another, my Mom had a stroke; there were 3 major family member car accidents in one week; my daughter-in-law (Nicky’s Mom) was diagnosed with Lupus; and there was my Graves’ Disease, glaucoma, cataracts and Thyroid Eye disease. After all that, I really thought I had it worked out cognitively.  Bad shit’s gonna happen whether I smoke or not.  I thought I was prepared. But I wasn’t prepared for this.  My God!  He’s just a baby!!!! I’ll shut up now.  Sorry for babbling. TIA for any prayers, good thoughts you can send our way. Hugs on all of yuz, P. Meter stuck at 1W 3D 23H 43M

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give you strength to continue with your quit during this difficult time……. Katie VOF

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I joined this group 12 days ago.  Read lots.  Didn’t post much.  Typing is a big trigger for me. At any rate, I had 11 smoke free days under my belt and was beginning to see the light.  Last night I blew that.   That’s not why I’m asking for prayers.  What caused me to blow it was a phone call stating that my 2 year old grandson Nicky had been hospitalized with a blood sugar level of 600.  He’s now diagnosed with Type I diabetes and will be insulin dependent for the rest of his life. He’s only 2 friggen years old!!! So I’m asking those of you who are inclined to pray to please keep Nicky Young in those prayers. Believe me, you haven’t seen the last of me.  I will continue to read. As soon as I get my act together and stop shaking I’ll be back to my quit, but for the moment things just got too bad too early on. Not that this hasn’t happened before.  First quit, hubby had a massive heart attack; second, daughter (then 19) was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis; another, my Mom had a stroke; there were 3 major family member car accidents in one week; my daughter-in-law (Nicky’s Mom) was diagnosed with Lupus; and there was my Graves’ Disease, glaucoma, cataracts and Thyroid Eye disease.   After all that, I really thought I had it worked out cognitively.  Bad shit’s gonna happen whether I smoke or not.  I thought I was prepared. But I wasn’t prepared for this.  My God!  He’s just a baby!!!! I’ll shut up now.  Sorry for babbling. TIA for any prayers, good thoughts you can send our way. Hugs on all of yuz, P. Meter stuck at 1W 3D 23H 43M

coming your way, and for your little guy…hope things get under control quick…!  My Moms insulin dependent, no fun. Please Dont beat yourself up for smoking…..Thats alot to handle especially into your 2nd week.  You will succeede when things are more calm.   Take care of yourself during this time too. Nancy AKA Taterbug 2 Weeks Tonite

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Good thoughts going the way of the little feller Pam. So young yes, but they can do wonderful things now, and it is very controllable. But a shock to your system, I totally understand. Hang in there and don’t be a stranger, and when the quit comes round again, let us know okies! Paula

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I joined this group 12 days ago.  Read lots.  Didn’t post much.  Typing is a big trigger for me. At any rate, I had 11 smoke free days under my belt and was beginning to see the light.  Last night I blew that. That’s not why I’m asking for prayers.  What caused me to blow it was a phone call stating that my 2 year old grandson Nicky had been hospitalized with a blood sugar level of 600.  He’s now diagnosed with Type I diabetes and will be insulin dependent for the rest of his life. He’s only 2 friggen years old!!! So I’m asking those of you who are inclined to pray to please keep Nicky Young in those prayers. Believe me, you haven’t seen the last of me.  I will continue to read. As soon as I get my act together and stop shaking I’ll be back to my quit, but for the moment things just got too bad too early on. Not that this hasn’t happened before.  First quit, hubby had a massive heart attack; second, daughter (then 19) was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis; another, my Mom had a stroke; there were 3 major family member car accidents in one week; my daughter-in-law (Nicky’s Mom) was diagnosed with Lupus; and there was my Graves’ Disease, glaucoma, cataracts and Thyroid Eye disease. After all that, I really thought I had it worked out cognitively.  Bad shit’s gonna happen whether I smoke or not.  I thought I was prepared. But I wasn’t prepared for this.  My God!  He’s just a baby!!!! I’ll shut up now.  Sorry for babbling. TIA for any prayers, good thoughts you can send our way. Hugs on all of yuz, P. Meter stuck at 1W 3D 23H 43M

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Pam I just hate to see little kids get these kind of diseases, its terrible they have to be burdened with them so young. I will pray for Nicky and you too. You will be back soon, I’m sure. Paul D Six months, one day, 13 hours, 17 minutes and 1 second. 9177 cigarettes not smoked, saving $1,009.31. Life saved: 4 weeks, 3 days, 20 hours, 45 minutes.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I joined this group 12 days ago.  Read lots.  Didn’t post much.  Typing is a big trigger for me. At any rate, I had 11 smoke free days under my belt and was beginning to see the light.  Last night I blew that. That’s not why I’m asking for prayers.  What caused me to blow it was a phone call stating that my 2 year old grandson Nicky had been hospitalized with a blood sugar level of 600.  He’s now diagnosed with Type I diabetes and will be insulin dependent for the rest of his life. He’s only 2 friggen years old!!! So I’m asking those of you who are inclined to pray to please keep Nicky Young in those prayers. Believe me, you haven’t seen the last of me.  I will continue to read. As soon as I get my act together and stop shaking I’ll be back to my quit, but for the moment things just got too bad too early on. Not that this hasn’t happened before.  First quit, hubby had a massive heart attack; second, daughter (then 19) was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis; another, my Mom had a stroke; there were 3 major family member car accidents in one week; my daughter-in-law (Nicky’s Mom) was diagnosed with Lupus; and there was my Graves’ Disease, glaucoma, cataracts and Thyroid Eye disease. After all that, I really thought I had it worked out cognitively.  Bad shit’s gonna happen whether I smoke or not.  I thought I was prepared. But I wasn’t prepared for this.  My God!  He’s just a baby!!!! I’ll shut up now.  Sorry for babbling. TIA for any prayers, good thoughts you can send our way. Hugs on all of yuz, P. Meter stuck at 1W 3D 23H 43M

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Prayers for Nicky!! He is okay now (right?) and they figured out what the problem is. So that is the bright side. And kids are SO resilient. Far more than we adults. He will be fine, he’ll adjust to what needs to be done. Don’t YOU carry it, though, huh? We don’t want him thinking more about his granny smoking than he does about the diabetes, one day. There’s a lot of information about diabetes treatment online. RE: your bad quit luck.. YIKES.  You need to see someone for a clearing or something,  you have some bad luck going on when you quit! Then again, the bad luck might be a test, you have to keep your quit to stop it from re-occurring… Prayers of healing for your grandson. He’ll heal before everyone else does. Kids have special angels. He’ll be okay. YOU Be Okay, too.. okay?? kita – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I joined this group 12 days ago.  Read lots.  Didn’t post much.  Typing is a big trigger for me. At any rate, I had 11 smoke free days under my belt and was beginning to see the light.  Last night I blew that.   That’s not why I’m asking for prayers.  What caused me to blow it was a phone call stating that my 2 year old grandson Nicky had been hospitalized with a blood sugar level of 600.  He’s now diagnosed with Type I diabetes and will be insulin dependent for the rest of his life. He’s only 2 friggen years old!!! So I’m asking those of you who are inclined to pray to please keep Nicky Young in those prayers. Believe me, you haven’t seen the last of me.  I will continue to read. As soon as I get my act together and stop shaking I’ll be back to my quit, but for the moment things just got too bad too early on. Not that this hasn’t happened before.  First quit, hubby had a massive heart attack; second, daughter (then 19) was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis; another, my Mom had a stroke; there were 3 major family member car accidents in one week; my daughter-in-law (Nicky’s Mom) was diagnosed with Lupus; and there was my Graves’ Disease, glaucoma, cataracts and Thyroid Eye disease.   After all that, I really thought I had it worked out cognitively.  Bad shit’s gonna happen whether I smoke or not.  I thought I was prepared. But I wasn’t prepared for this.  My God!  He’s just a baby!!!! I’ll shut up now.  Sorry for babbling. TIA for any prayers, good thoughts you can send our way. Hugs on all of yuz, P. Meter stuck at 1W 3D 23H 43M

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aaawwwwww, Pam…hugs and prayers coming your way for all of you.  That is really a tough one….so young!! Sally OF

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I joined this group 12 days ago.  Read lots.  Didn’t post much.  Typing is a big trigger for me. At any rate, I had 11 smoke free days under my belt and was beginning to see the light.  Last night I blew that. That’s not why I’m asking for prayers.  What caused me to blow it was a phone call stating that my 2 year old grandson Nicky had been hospitalized with a blood sugar level of 600.  He’s now diagnosed with Type I diabetes and will be insulin dependent for the rest of his life. He’s only 2 friggen years old!!! So I’m asking those of you who are inclined to pray to please keep Nicky Young in those prayers. Believe me, you haven’t seen the last of me.  I will continue to read. As soon as I get my act together and stop shaking I’ll be back to my quit, but for the moment things just got too bad too early on. Not that this hasn’t happened before.  First quit, hubby had a massive heart attack; second, daughter (then 19) was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis; another, my Mom had a stroke; there were 3 major family member car accidents in one week; my daughter-in-law (Nicky’s Mom) was diagnosed with Lupus; and there was my Graves’ Disease, glaucoma, cataracts and Thyroid Eye disease. After all that, I really thought I had it worked out cognitively.  Bad shit’s gonna happen whether I smoke or not.  I thought I was prepared. But I wasn’t prepared for this.  My God!  He’s just a baby!!!! I’ll shut up now.  Sorry for babbling. TIA for any prayers, good thoughts you can send our way. Hugs on all of yuz, P. Meter stuck at 1W 3D 23H 43M

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I joined this group 12 days ago.  Read lots.  Didn’t post much.  Typing is a big trigger for me. At any rate, I had 11 smoke free days under my belt and was beginning to see the light.  Last night I blew that.   That’s not why I’m asking for prayers.  What caused me to blow it was a phone call stating that my 2 year old grandson Nicky had been hospitalized with a blood sugar level of 600.  He’s now diagnosed with Type I diabetes and will be insulin dependent for the rest of his life. He’s only 2 friggen years old!!! So I’m asking those of you who are inclined to pray to please keep Nicky Young in those prayers. Believe me, you haven’t seen the last of me.  I will continue to read. As soon as I get my act together and stop shaking I’ll be back to my quit, but for the moment things just got too bad too early on. Not that this hasn’t happened before.  First quit, hubby had a massive heart attack; second, daughter (then 19) was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis; another, my Mom had a stroke; there were 3 major family member car accidents in one week; my daughter-in-law (Nicky’s Mom) was diagnosed with Lupus; and there was my Graves’ Disease, glaucoma, cataracts and Thyroid Eye disease.   After all that, I really thought I had it worked out cognitively.  Bad shit’s gonna happen whether I smoke or not.  I thought I was prepared. But I wasn’t prepared for this.  My God!  He’s just a baby!!!! I’ll shut up now.  Sorry for babbling. TIA for any prayers, good thoughts you can send our way. Hugs on all of yuz, P. Meter stuck at 1W 3D 23H 43M

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, CyberCafe

<p…@badger.tds.net

wrote: REP wrote: What I hope came across in that statement is that calcium blood level

tests may

appear normal, but that result doesn’t reflect where the calcium is

coming from

(food or the body’s natural storehouse, the bones).  Apparently, because

of that,

blood serum calcium levels aren’t a real good indicator of a calcium

deficiency. Not true. A phosphorus test can determine if the calcium is being leached from the bones instead of idiopathic high calicum levels.

Pain so bad in one spot of my lower right abdomen I couldn’t stand during which inflammation was found at my terminal ilieum. Literally could not stand – not just hurt so much I didn’t feel like it. Pain that was far worse than post-surgical abdominal pain. Plus the typical symptoms – ribbon stools, bloody stools, fever, night wakening, etc. Lots and lots of tests revealed a healthy but spastic colon and a small area of Crohn’s in the small intestine. Because of the location and severity, did you ever think you were having an appendicitis attack?  I’m just wondering how people (the patient) would

be able to

tell the difference.

I have thought it was acute appendicitis more than once – and so have the doctors who examined me, until a sonogram or CT showed normal appendix but an inflammed terminal ilieum. When plain films were done, no appendicitis was imaged but the small bowel inflammatin doesn’t show, so they’d send me home and call every few hours to make sure I was alive.

because I think some of us still think that IBS is not the total reason for our problems. I kept insisting to my doctor that it was just the worst spastic colon ever. I already had enough serious diseases. What kind of treatments are they doing for the Crohn’s? Symptomatic pain relief. I have severe kidney disease and NSAIDs are nephrotoxic, so I can’t take the usual drugs. The CD is mild, and isn’t thought likey to cause any major (that is, life-threatening) problems. Oh dear, you do have more than you share of problems.

Yup. I’m also diabetic (the kidney disease is non-diabetic, once again making me special), have polycystic ovarian disease and a few other delightful oddities.

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This is what has helped me for more than 3 years with almost daily attacks of urgent DIARRHEA.  Calcium is known to be constipating so if you are that IBS type do not take it.  Here is the what and how to take the calcium information if you suffer from DIARRHEA

Heh. My serum and urinary calcium are so high I have to restrict my intake, and yet I have horrible diarrhea (or should I say DIARRHEA) on a semihourly basis! Then again, I was recently diagnosed as having Crohn’s disease of the small bowel as well as spastic colon, so maybe it doesn’t work if you’ve been double fucked by the gut gods.

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REP wrote:

In article <20020522204014.24439.00000…@mb-bg.aol.com, ln…@aol.com (LNAPE) wrote: This is what has helped me for more than 3 years with almost daily attacks of urgent DIARRHEA.  Calcium is known to be constipating so if you are that IBS type do not take it.  Here is the what and how to take the calcium information if you suffer from DIARRHEA Heh. My serum and urinary calcium are so high I have to restrict my intake, and yet I have horrible diarrhea (or should I say DIARRHEA) on a semihourly basis! Then again, I was recently diagnosed as having Crohn’s disease of the small bowel as well as spastic colon, so maybe it doesn’t work if you’ve been double fucked by the gut gods.

The calcium recommendations are for people with IBS.  Crohn’s disease is a whole ‘nother ball of wax. Just a note on blood serum levels of calcium.  This doesn’t apply to you, but is general information for others.  Calcium in the blood may mean it is being leached from the bones.  In other words, the body has to have calcium and it will take it from the bones if needed. For me, the calcium supplement is something I really need anyway because I rarely consume calcium rich foods.  My doctor had recommended I increase my calcium intake anyway because my bones are starting to suffer (fracture and osteoporosis). Anyway, I would like to know more from you on how they discovered it was Crohn’s because I think some of us still think that IBS is not the total reason for our problems.  What kind of treatments are they doing for the Crohn’s? Sure hope you start feeling better soon. Barb

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<p…@badger.tds.net

wrote: REP wrote: In article <20020522204014.24439.00000…@mb-bg.aol.com, ln…@aol.com (LNAPE) wrote: This is what has helped me for more than 3 years with almost daily

attacks of

urgent DIARRHEA.  Calcium is known to be constipating so if you are

that IBS

type do not take it.  Here is the what and how to take the calcium information if you suffer from DIARRHEA Heh. My serum and urinary calcium are so high I have to restrict my intake, and yet I have horrible diarrhea (or should I say DIARRHEA) on a semihourly basis! Then again, I was recently diagnosed as having Crohn’s disease of the small bowel as well as spastic colon, so maybe it doesn’t work if you’ve been double fucked by the gut gods. The calcium recommendations are for people with IBS.  Crohn’s disease is

a whole

‘nother ball of wax.

I have spastic colon as well as CD. I’m very special (not).

Just a note on blood serum levels of calcium.  This doesn’t apply to you,

but is

general information for others.  Calcium in the blood may mean it is

being leached

from the bones.  In other words, the body has to have calcium and it will

take it

from the bones if needed.

MAY mean. Not always.

Anyway, I would like to know more from you on how they discovered it was

Crohn’s Pain so bad in one spot of my lower right abdomen I couldn’t stand during which inflammation was found at my terminal ilieum. Literally could not stand – not just hurt so much I didn’t feel like it. Pain that was far worse than post-surgical abdominal pain. Plus the typical symptoms – ribbon stools, bloody stools, fever, night wakening, etc. Lots and lots of tests revealed a healthy but spastic colon and a small area of Crohn’s in the small intestine.

because I think some of us still think that IBS is not the total reason

for our

problems.

I kept insisting to my doctor that it was just the worst spastic colon ever. I already had enough serious diseases.

What kind of treatments are they doing for the Crohn’s?

Symptomatic pain relief. I have severe kidney disease and NSAIDs are nephrotoxic, so I can’t take the usual drugs. The CD is mild, and isn’t thought likey to cause any major (that is, life-threatening) problems.

Sure hope you start feeling better soon.

Thanks. You too.

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In article <3D0B74C5.8FA5E…@badger.tds.net, CyberCafe <p…@badger.tds.net wrote: REP wrote: In article <20020522204014.24439.00000…@mb-bg.aol.com, ln…@aol.com (LNAPE) wrote: This is what has helped me for more than 3 years with almost daily attacks of urgent DIARRHEA.  Calcium is known to be constipating so if you are that IBS type do not take it.  Here is the what and how to take the calcium information if you suffer from DIARRHEA Heh. My serum and urinary calcium are so high I have to restrict my intake, and yet I have horrible diarrhea (or should I say DIARRHEA) on a semihourly basis! Then again, I was recently diagnosed as having Crohn’s disease of the small bowel as well as spastic colon, so maybe it doesn’t work if you’ve been double fucked by the gut gods. The calcium recommendations are for people with IBS.  Crohn’s disease is a whole ‘nother ball of wax. I have spastic colon as well as CD. I’m very special (not). Just a note on blood serum levels of calcium.  This doesn’t apply to you, but is general information for others.  Calcium in the blood may mean it is being leached from the bones.  In other words, the body has to have calcium and it will take it from the bones if needed. MAY mean. Not always.

What I hope came across in that statement is that calcium blood level tests may appear normal, but that result doesn’t reflect where the calcium is coming from (food or the body’s natural storehouse, the bones).  Apparently, because of that, blood serum calcium levels aren’t a real good indicator of a calcium deficiency.

Anyway, I would like to know more from you on how they discovered it was Crohn’s Pain so bad in one spot of my lower right abdomen I couldn’t stand during which inflammation was found at my terminal ilieum. Literally could not stand – not just hurt so much I didn’t feel like it. Pain that was far worse than post-surgical abdominal pain. Plus the typical symptoms – ribbon stools, bloody stools, fever, night wakening, etc. Lots and lots of tests revealed a healthy but spastic colon and a small area of Crohn’s in the small intestine.

Because of the location and severity, did you ever think you were having an appendicitis attack?  I’m just wondering how people (the patient) would be able to tell the difference.

because I think some of us still think that IBS is not the total reason for our problems. I kept insisting to my doctor that it was just the worst spastic colon ever. I already had enough serious diseases. What kind of treatments are they doing for the Crohn’s? Symptomatic pain relief. I have severe kidney disease and NSAIDs are nephrotoxic, so I can’t take the usual drugs. The CD is mild, and isn’t thought likey to cause any major (that is, life-threatening) problems.

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Sure hope you start feeling better soon. Thanks. You too.

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Hi Last time I tried calcium tablets, I think they had magnesium in them as well. I’ll try and find some plain calcium tablets and give them a go.. The calcium/mg tablets had a bad effect…… Rabbit Aus.. "CyberCafe" <p…@badger.tds.net

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I recently read a study that implied calcium was not effective in

controlling

IBS-D, but it certainly has helped me.  I’ve tested my guts over and over

and

over with the calcium supplements, and at least for me, it is the easiest,

least

expensive, and best "cure" (second to prescription digestive enzymes) and something I just don’t get enough of anyway. Like Linda, after my gallbladder was removed, the IBS-D situation really

got bad

and pretty darned fast.  Boy, I wish doctors would warn people that a

person

could end up with bowel movement problems following this kind of surgery. Barb LNAPE wrote: This is what has helped me for more than 3 years with almost daily

attacks of

urgent DIARRHEA.  Calcium is known to be constipating so if you are that

IBS

type do not take it.  Here is the what and how to take the calcium information if you suffer from DIARRHEA Calcium is an OTC supplement we all do not usually get enough of. No Rx needed to purchase this. When you take calcium about 40% of the dose gets to the bones the rest

is

eliminated in our waste. The calcium goes to the intestines and soaks up excess fluids and binds them together and they are gotten rid of in our waste. This is a process that can be continued by taking the calcium carbonate

on a

regular basis thus giving a more formed BM. There is calcium carbonate which helps us with DIARRHEA and there is

calcium

citrate which is more easily absorbed by the body and gets to the bones. A lot of the calcium supplements contain a 2 to 1 ratio of calcium to magnesium. Magnesium is not helpful for us with DIARRHEA only causing

more in

most cases. So do not purchase this combination. It will only make

things

worse. The dose to take is different for everyone. I must take 3 a day one at

each

meal and it does not make a difference if I take it before during or

after

just take it regularly. The most success has come for using any formula of calcium supplement

that is

like Caltrate 600 Plus with Vitamin D and Minerals in the purple and

white

box. I hope this will help anyone wishing to try it and I am always here to

answer

any questions for you. I have a lot of feed back form many users. There are other things to consider. If you take any other meds check the

side

effects and also check with the pharmacist to see it taking calcium will interfere with you other medications and how you might take them. The only side effect is at the beginning of taking the calcium you may

have

some gas or indigestion but this usually goes away soon after taking a regular dose for a few days as your body adjusts to the added calcium. Starting with 1/2 tablet doses with each meal will lessen this problem

and it

may be enough to control the DIARRHEA attacks without making you

constipated.

Constipation can be a problem so be careful not to take too much. I had my gall bladder removed in 1976 and from that time on I had

suffered

urgent attacks of DIARRHEA.  Went through a lot of test but nothing else could be found. I took many of the meds for bowel spasms and cramps over the years but nothing ever seemed to help.  I started to take a calcium supplement to

help

prevent bone loss in later years and from the first day I felt relief.

I was

pretty much a prisoner to the bathroom or had to go without eating to be

able

to leave the house. I must take 1 tablet with each meal and the DIARRHEA does not come back

if I

miss taking it I get DIARRHEA. The way it works is the calcium carbonate it a binder and when you take

it

only about 40% of the calcium gets to the bones and the rest is gotten

rid of

in our waste.  During the process it gets to the intestines and soaks up excess bile and water and helps give a more solid BM.  Now that you have

no

gall bladder the bile fluid goes directly into the intestines and causes irritation and DIARRHEA.  The calcium carbonate soaks this up and no

more

DIARRHEA.  It works great for a lot of us and you just have to take the calcium regularly and do not miss. I started with Caltrate 600 Plus with vitamin d and minerals and it does

seem

to make a difference in the ingredients of calcium… This one seems to

do

the best job for most.  You can buy other store brands of calcium with

the

same ingredients that work just as well but they need to have the same ingredients.  I get Member’s Mark Brand from Sam’s Club you get 300

tablets

for 8.99. Let me know if you need more help. You won’t be sorry if you try it.  I suggest starting with 1/2 tablet

with

each meal at first this may be enough to control the diarrhea if not in

a few

days up the dose to 1 tablet with each meal.  The side effect is

constipation

so if you feel it coming on just cut the dose. It is important to use a calcium that is as much alike as the Caltrate

brand.

Let me list the ingredients: Vitamin D 200 IU Calcium 500 or 600 MG (This should be calcium carbonate form) Magnesium 40 MG (No more than this amount because magnesium will cause

you to

have DIARRHEA but because calcium is constipating the magnesium helps to counter act that effect) Zinc 7.5 MG Copper 1 MG Manganese 1.8 MG Boron 250 MCG. There are other brands with the same ingredients so get something as

close as

you can.  Then start with 1/2 tablet with each meal and in a few days if

this

is not enough to control your DIARRHEA then up the dose to 1 tablet with

each

meal.  If you feel you are becoming constipated the cut back on the

dose.

It has been working since the first day I started taking it July 1998

and as

long as I take 3 a day (this is the amount I must take it may be

different

for you) I remain DIARRHEA free.  No cramps, bloating or DIARRHEA. The dose you take with each meal is not the dose that is helping you at

that

meal it is the prior ones that have time to works their way through you system to soak up excess bile and water in the intestines. It also works for those of you who still have the gall bladder. It is worth a try and I have been getting some good feedback from

Lotronex

users who are getting some help with the calcium.  You may want to read

some

of the post on www.ibsgroup.org message board about how much it has

helped so

many. Take Care, Linda

Response:

I recently read a study that implied calcium was not effective in controlling IBS-D, but it certainly has helped me.  I’ve tested my guts over and over and over with the calcium supplements, and at least for me, it is the easiest, least expensive, and best "cure" (second to prescription digestive enzymes) and something I just don’t get enough of anyway. Like Linda, after my gallbladder was removed, the IBS-D situation really got bad and pretty darned fast.  Boy, I wish doctors would warn people that a person could end up with bowel movement problems following this kind of surgery. Barb – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -LNAPE wrote:

This is what has helped me for more than 3 years with almost daily attacks of urgent DIARRHEA.  Calcium is known to be constipating so if you are that IBS type do not take it.  Here is the what and how to take the calcium information if you suffer from DIARRHEA Calcium is an OTC supplement we all do not usually get enough of. No Rx needed to purchase this. When you take calcium about 40% of the dose gets to the bones the rest is eliminated in our waste. The calcium goes to the intestines and soaks up excess fluids and binds them together and they are gotten rid of in our waste. This is a process that can be continued by taking the calcium carbonate on a regular basis thus giving a more formed BM. There is calcium carbonate which helps us with DIARRHEA and there is calcium citrate which is more easily absorbed by the body and gets to the bones. A lot of the calcium supplements contain a 2 to 1 ratio of calcium to magnesium. Magnesium is not helpful for us with DIARRHEA only causing more in most cases. So do not purchase this combination. It will only make things worse. The dose to take is different for everyone. I must take 3 a day one at each meal and it does not make a difference if I take it before during or after just take it regularly. The most success has come for using any formula of calcium supplement that is like Caltrate 600 Plus with Vitamin D and Minerals in the purple and white box. I hope this will help anyone wishing to try it and I am always here to answer any questions for you. I have a lot of feed back form many users. There are other things to consider. If you take any other meds check the side effects and also check with the pharmacist to see it taking calcium will interfere with you other medications and how you might take them. The only side effect is at the beginning of taking the calcium you may have some gas or indigestion but this usually goes away soon after taking a regular dose for a few days as your body adjusts to the added calcium. Starting with 1/2 tablet doses with each meal will lessen this problem and it may be enough to control the DIARRHEA attacks without making you constipated. Constipation can be a problem so be careful not to take too much. I had my gall bladder removed in 1976 and from that time on I had suffered urgent attacks of DIARRHEA.  Went through a lot of test but nothing else could be found. I took many of the meds for bowel spasms and cramps over the years but nothing ever seemed to help.  I started to take a calcium supplement to help prevent bone loss in later years and from the first day I felt relief.  I was pretty much a prisoner to the bathroom or had to go without eating to be able to leave the house. I must take 1 tablet with each meal and the DIARRHEA does not come back if I miss taking it I get DIARRHEA. The way it works is the calcium carbonate it a binder and when you take it only about 40% of the calcium gets to the bones and the rest is gotten rid of in our waste.  During the process it gets to the intestines and soaks up excess bile and water and helps give a more solid BM.  Now that you have no gall bladder the bile fluid goes directly into the intestines and causes irritation and DIARRHEA.  The calcium carbonate soaks this up and no more DIARRHEA.  It works great for a lot of us and you just have to take the calcium regularly and do not miss. I started with Caltrate 600 Plus with vitamin d and minerals and it does seem to make a difference in the ingredients of calcium… This one seems to do the best job for most.  You can buy other store brands of calcium with the same ingredients that work just as well but they need to have the same ingredients.  I get Member’s Mark Brand from Sam’s Club you get 300 tablets for 8.99. Let me know if you need more help. You won’t be sorry if you try it.  I suggest starting with 1/2 tablet with each meal at first this may be enough to control the diarrhea if not in a few days up the dose to 1 tablet with each meal.  The side effect is constipation so if you feel it coming on just cut the dose. It is important to use a calcium that is as much alike as the Caltrate brand. Let me list the ingredients: Vitamin D 200 IU Calcium 500 or 600 MG (This should be calcium carbonate form) Magnesium 40 MG (No more than this amount because magnesium will cause you to have DIARRHEA but because calcium is constipating the magnesium helps to counter act that effect) Zinc 7.5 MG Copper 1 MG Manganese 1.8 MG Boron 250 MCG. There are other brands with the same ingredients so get something as close as you can.  Then start with 1/2 tablet with each meal and in a few days if this is not enough to control your DIARRHEA then up the dose to 1 tablet with each meal.  If you feel you are becoming constipated the cut back on the dose. It has been working since the first day I started taking it July 1998 and as long as I take 3 a day (this is the amount I must take it may be different for you) I remain DIARRHEA free.  No cramps, bloating or DIARRHEA. The dose you take with each meal is not the dose that is helping you at that meal it is the prior ones that have time to works their way through you system to soak up excess bile and water in the intestines. It also works for those of you who still have the gall bladder. It is worth a try and I have been getting some good feedback from Lotronex users who are getting some help with the calcium.  You may want to read some of the post on www.ibsgroup.org message board about how much it has helped so many. Take Care, Linda

Response:

You know, we talk so much about stress here contributing to the problem.  I’d like to know what kinds of stress other people have noticed.  For example, we’ve had a couple of deaths in the family over the last few months, but that didn’t cause any problems with my guts. Stuff that kicks my guts into gear are things like expecting weekend company even if it’s just my kids.  I’ve noticed that anything that involves rushing, like going to the dentist or being late for an appointment, really causes problems, but some of the other things that should cause stress, like going to the doctor, don’t bother my guts. The other thing I’ve noticed is that being tired will make things worse. Okay, so what have you guys noticed as far as stress goes. Barb

Response:

Okay, so what have you guys noticed as far as stress goes.

I get severe pain with my IBS. They’re going to check for ulcers, too, since now the pain goes much higher. Social events.  Even if it’s just a family gathering. I’ve been having the worst bout ever for the last month, since i got married. It’s not the marriage, as we were quite comfortable together for a long time before we married, but the actual ceremony/event and all the stuff surrounding it stressed me real bad. I also remember a bad bout following a company Christmas party that i was very nervous about, even tho i was happy about it. Another one following my mom having a dangerous surgery.   Although lately, it seems, they just happen..

Response:

CyberCafe wrote:

Okay, so what have you guys noticed as far as stress goes.

Lately, life in general has been a major source of stress! Otherwise, it’s family gatherings, unpleasant meetings with supervisors, and confrontations w/ people that trigger my IBS. signman

Response:

In article <ej5ceuojjdemdmdtrm3prflq654gjm3…@4ax.com

, Jim <s…@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Can I add to the original question: …. and what symptoms occur, and for how long?

Pain… In waves, sometimes almost unbearable.  Lasting anywhere from 20 minutes to 5 hours.  It feels like a stick between my belly-button and rectum, or a jabbing sword.  Afterwards, i feel like i’ve been run over by a train. The doc gave me anti-spas meds that haven’t helped much in the last couple days.  I have an appt. with gastroenterology, but damned the system, it’s 2 months away!  I hope to God the pain doesn’t come today.  I hate living like this.

Response:

Hi I get stressed out by going to work in the morning. Taking the train etc. I am currently looking for a job (company got taken over) but I am scared to get a job. At home all day I have the bathroom ready all the time, and dont have to run for the toilet and hope for the best. I get stomach cramps and IBS-D. Great when I am on the train and I feel the pain, and cant get off the train. Its such an embarrassing problem. Rabbit "inky" <h…@what.where?

wrote in message

news:%EyF8.17575$Q93.353101@news1.west.cox.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

In article <ej5ceuojjdemdmdtrm3prflq654gjm3…@4ax.com, Jim

<s…@blueyonder.co.uk

wrote: Can I add to the original question: …. and what symptoms occur, and for how long? Pain… In waves, sometimes almost unbearable.  Lasting anywhere from 20 minutes to 5 hours.  It feels like a stick between my belly-button and

rectum,

or a jabbing sword.  Afterwards, i feel like i’ve been run over by a

train.

The doc gave me anti-spas meds that haven’t helped much in the last couple days.  I have an appt. with gastroenterology, but damned the system, it’s

2

months away!  I hope to God the pain doesn’t come today.  I hate living

like

this.

Response:

This is what has helped me for more than 3 years with almost daily attacks of urgent DIARRHEA.  Calcium is known to be constipating so if you are that IBS type do not take it.  Here is the what and how to take the calcium information if you suffer from DIARRHEA Calcium is an OTC supplement we all do not usually get enough of. No Rx needed to purchase this. When you take calcium about 40% of the dose gets to the bones the rest is eliminated in our waste. The calcium goes to the intestines and soaks up excess fluids and binds them together and they are gotten rid of in our waste. This is a process that can be continued by taking the calcium carbonate on a regular basis thus giving a more formed BM. There is calcium carbonate which helps us with DIARRHEA and there is calcium citrate which is more easily absorbed by the body and gets to the bones. A lot of the calcium supplements contain a 2 to 1 ratio of calcium to magnesium. Magnesium is not helpful for us with DIARRHEA only causing more in most cases. So do not purchase this combination. It will only make things worse. The dose to take is different for everyone. I must take 3 a day one at each meal and it does not make a difference if I take it before during or after just take it regularly. The most success has come for using any formula of calcium supplement that is like Caltrate 600 Plus with Vitamin D and Minerals in the purple and white box. I hope this will help anyone wishing to try it and I am always here to answer any questions for you. I have a lot of feed back form many users. There are other things to consider. If you take any other meds check the side effects and also check with the pharmacist to see it taking calcium will interfere with you other medications and how you might take them. The only side effect is at the beginning of taking the calcium you may have some gas or indigestion but this usually goes away soon after taking a regular dose for a few days as your body adjusts to the added calcium. Starting with 1/2 tablet doses with each meal will lessen this problem and it may be enough to control the DIARRHEA attacks without making you constipated. Constipation can be a problem so be careful not to take too much. I had my gall bladder removed in 1976 and from that time on I had suffered urgent attacks of DIARRHEA.  Went through a lot of test but nothing else could be found. I took many of the meds for bowel spasms and cramps over the years but nothing ever seemed to help.  I started to take a calcium supplement to help prevent bone loss in later years and from the first day I felt relief.  I was pretty much a prisoner to the bathroom or had to go without eating to be able to leave the house. I must take 1 tablet with each meal and the DIARRHEA does not come back if I miss taking it I get DIARRHEA. The way it works is the calcium carbonate it a binder and when you take it only about 40% of the calcium gets to the bones and the rest is gotten rid of in our waste.  During the process it gets to the intestines and soaks up excess bile and water and helps give a more solid BM.  Now that you have no gall bladder the bile fluid goes directly into the intestines and causes irritation and DIARRHEA.  The calcium carbonate soaks this up and no more DIARRHEA.  It works great for a lot of us and you just have to take the calcium regularly and do not miss.   I started with Caltrate 600 Plus with vitamin d and minerals and it does seem to make a difference in the ingredients of calcium… This one seems to do the best job for most.  You can buy other store brands of calcium with the same ingredients that work just as well but they need to have the same ingredients.  I get Member’s Mark Brand from Sam’s Club you get 300 tablets for 8.99. Let me know if you need more help. You won’t be sorry if you try it.  I suggest starting with 1/2 tablet with each meal at first this may be enough to control the diarrhea if not in a few days up the dose to 1 tablet with each meal.  The side effect is constipation so if you feel it coming on just cut the dose. It is important to use a calcium that is as much alike as the Caltrate brand. Let me list the ingredients: Vitamin D 200 IU Calcium 500 or 600 MG (This should be calcium carbonate form) Magnesium 40 MG (No more than this amount because magnesium will cause you to have DIARRHEA but because calcium is constipating the magnesium helps to counter act that effect) Zinc 7.5 MG Copper 1 MG Manganese 1.8 MG Boron 250 MCG. There are other brands with the same ingredients so get something as close as you can.  Then start with 1/2 tablet with each meal and in a few days if this is not enough to control your DIARRHEA then up the dose to 1 tablet with each meal.  If you feel you are becoming constipated the cut back on the dose.   It has been working since the first day I started taking it July 1998 and as long as I take 3 a day (this is the amount I must take it may be different for you) I remain DIARRHEA free.  No cramps, bloating or DIARRHEA. The dose you take with each meal is not the dose that is helping you at that meal it is the prior ones that have time to works their way through you system to soak up excess bile and water in the intestines. It also works for those of you who still have the gall bladder. It is worth a try and I have been getting some good feedback from Lotronex users who are getting some help with the calcium.  You may want to read some of the post on www.ibsgroup.org message board about how much it has helped so many. Take Care, Linda

Response:

Viagra VS Crohn's pain

Question:

When you say permanent are talking as long as you continue to take it or take it once and you are done? MIke – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Exactly…which is why I find it funny anyone would suggest that orgasm or erection has anything to do with the pain reduction since it would return after you are "finished". As I stated, the Viagra causes a permenent reduction in pain which has nothing to do with orgasm or sex in any way. No, I don’t think so — the suggestion that lead to these posts was that maybe what happens AFTER you take the Viagra was responsible for the reduction in pain. steve I think everyone is getting Viagra mixed up with orgasm. Viagra does not cause orgasm nor does it increase the want or desire for sex or an orgasm. All it does is force or allow  increased blood flow to lower extremeties. If you get an erection, it was because you wanted one, not because Viagra did it. Viagra only causes increased blood flow in the lower extremeties thus making it easier to keep an erection. But don’t take too many Viagra….I hear it’ll give you a stiff neck *smirk* <snipped my own rude comments before I posted. One glass of endorphins on the rocks PULEEEEEZE!! Elizabeth During orgasm, the body releases those neurotransmitters that are responsible for controlling pain — are they endomorphins? These are the same neurotransmitters that are released when you take narcotics. It’s actually the neurotransmitters that are responsible for the pain relief as well as the side effects of euphoria and dry mouth. Believe it or not, sex is actually good for pain! love, steve (H) CD Class of ‘82 ASCC on the WWW: http://ascc.healingwell.com Shabzham may not be far off. I read someplace that orgasms were good for migrianes. Something the body releases reduces pain. Mike   I’ve had Crohn’s for about 17 years now(since I was 15 years old) . Mine is the form many call ileitis. As I am well aware of, someone having a Crohn’s attack, which seem to last about 12 to 24 hours for me, will do just about anything to take the pain away. Well, many years ago, by accident, I found that taking Viagra during a Crohn’s attack significantly took the pain away and in most cases got rid of the pain entirely. I am wondering if anyone else has had any experiences with Viagra reducing a Crohn’s attack? Not to make light of your situation but could it be what you do after the viagra takes effect is what is taking the pain away?  I hope you get my meaning <G. Sorry I used to work at Pfizer and this certainly sounded like  a place for some off color pfizer viagra humor!  I was at pfizer when viagra hit the market and you should have heard some of the jokes and funnies going around at that time in house! Please Visit www.ibdcure.com and sign the petition for an IBD postage stamp. All opinions expressed are mine unless otherwise noted. "those that can be offended, will be" … Pastor Don —–=  Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News  =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!  Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers!  ==—– —–=  Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News  =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!  Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers!  ==—–

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The pain would not return immediately — like any good opiate, it lasts a while. But not long enough! It’s an interesting question. Maybe I’ll bring it up with my GI when I see him in 2 weeks. sincerely, steve (H) CD Class of ‘82 ASCC on the WWW: http://ascc.healingwell.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Exactly…which is why I find it funny anyone would suggest that orgasm or erection has anything to do with the pain reduction since it would return after you are "finished". As I stated, the Viagra causes a permenent reduction in pain which has nothing to do with orgasm or sex in any way. No, I don’t think so — the suggestion that lead to these posts was that maybe what happens AFTER you take the Viagra was responsible for the reduction in pain. steve I think everyone is getting Viagra mixed up with orgasm. Viagra does not cause orgasm nor does it increase the want or desire for sex or an orgasm. All it does is force or allow  increased blood flow to lower extremeties. If you get an erection, it was because you wanted one, not because Viagra did it. Viagra only causes increased blood flow in the lower extremeties thus making it easier to keep an erection. But don’t take too many Viagra….I hear it’ll give you a stiff neck *smirk* <snipped my own rude comments before I posted. One glass of endorphins on the rocks PULEEEEEZE!! Elizabeth During orgasm, the body releases those neurotransmitters that are responsible for controlling pain — are they endomorphins? These are the same neurotransmitters that are released when you take narcotics. It’s actually the neurotransmitters that are responsible for the pain relief as well as the side effects of euphoria and dry mouth. Believe it or not, sex is actually good for pain! love, steve (H) CD Class of ‘82 ASCC on the WWW: http://ascc.healingwell.com Shabzham may not be far off. I read someplace that orgasms were good for migrianes. Something the body releases reduces pain. Mike   I’ve had Crohn’s for about 17 years now(since I was 15 years old) . Mine is the form many call ileitis. As I am well aware of, someone having a Crohn’s attack, which seem to last about 12 to 24 hours for me, will do just about anything to take the pain away. Well, many years ago, by accident, I found that taking Viagra during a Crohn’s attack significantly took the pain away and in most cases got rid of the pain entirely. I am wondering if anyone else has had any experiences with Viagra reducing a Crohn’s attack? Not to make light of your situation but could it be what you do after the viagra takes effect is what is taking the pain away?  I hope you get my meaning <G. Sorry I used to work at Pfizer and this certainly sounded like  a place for some off color pfizer viagra humor!  I was at pfizer when viagra hit the market and you should have heard some of the jokes and funnies going around at that time in house! Please Visit www.ibdcure.com and sign the petition for an IBD postage stamp. All opinions expressed are mine unless otherwise noted. "those that can be offended, will be" … Pastor Don —–=  Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News  =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!  Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers!  ==—– —–=  Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News  =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!  Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers!  ==—–

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Exactly…which is why I find it funny anyone would suggest that orgasm or erection has anything to do with the pain reduction since it would return after you are "finished". As I stated, the Viagra causes a permenent reduction in pain which has nothing to do with orgasm or sex in any way. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No, I don’t think so — the suggestion that lead to these posts was that maybe what happens AFTER you take the Viagra was responsible for the reduction in pain. steve I think everyone is getting Viagra mixed up with orgasm. Viagra does not cause orgasm nor does it increase the want or desire for sex or an orgasm. All it does is force or allow  increased blood flow to lower extremeties. If you get an erection, it was because you wanted one, not because Viagra did it. Viagra only causes increased blood flow in the lower extremeties thus making it easier to keep an erection. But don’t take too many Viagra….I hear it’ll give you a stiff neck *smirk* <snipped my own rude comments before I posted. One glass of endorphins on the rocks PULEEEEEZE!! Elizabeth During orgasm, the body releases those neurotransmitters that are responsible for controlling pain — are they endomorphins? These are the same neurotransmitters that are released when you take narcotics. It’s actually the neurotransmitters that are responsible for the pain relief as well as the side effects of euphoria and dry mouth. Believe it or not, sex is actually good for pain! love, steve (H) CD Class of ‘82 ASCC on the WWW: http://ascc.healingwell.com Shabzham may not be far off. I read someplace that orgasms were good for migrianes. Something the body releases reduces pain. Mike   I’ve had Crohn’s for about 17 years now(since I was 15 years old) . Mine is the form many call ileitis. As I am well aware of, someone having a Crohn’s attack, which seem to last about 12 to 24 hours for me, will do just about anything to take the pain away. Well, many years ago, by accident, I found that taking Viagra during a Crohn’s attack significantly took the pain away and in most cases got rid of the pain entirely. I am wondering if anyone else has had any experiences with Viagra reducing a Crohn’s attack? Not to make light of your situation but could it be what you do after the viagra takes effect is what is taking the pain away?  I hope you get my meaning <G. Sorry I used to work at Pfizer and this certainly sounded like  a place for some off color pfizer viagra humor!  I was at pfizer when viagra hit the market and you should have heard some of the jokes and funnies going around at that time in house! Please Visit www.ibdcure.com and sign the petition for an IBD postage stamp. All opinions expressed are mine unless otherwise noted. "those that can be offended, will be" … Pastor Don —–=  Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News  =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!  Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers!  ==—– —–=  Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News  =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!  Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers!  ==—–

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No, I don’t think so — the suggestion that lead to these posts was that maybe what happens AFTER you take the Viagra was responsible for the reduction in pain. steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think everyone is getting Viagra mixed up with orgasm. Viagra does not cause orgasm nor does it increase the want or desire for sex or an orgasm. All it does is force or allow  increased blood flow to lower extremeties. If you get an erection, it was because you wanted one, not because Viagra did it. Viagra only causes increased blood flow in the lower extremeties thus making it easier to keep an erection. But don’t take too many Viagra….I hear it’ll give you a stiff neck *smirk* <snipped my own rude comments before I posted. One glass of endorphins on the rocks PULEEEEEZE!! Elizabeth During orgasm, the body releases those neurotransmitters that are responsible for controlling pain — are they endomorphins? These are the same neurotransmitters that are released when you take narcotics. It’s actually the neurotransmitters that are responsible for the pain relief as well as the side effects of euphoria and dry mouth. Believe it or not, sex is actually good for pain! love, steve (H) CD Class of ‘82 ASCC on the WWW: http://ascc.healingwell.com Shabzham may not be far off. I read someplace that orgasms were good for migrianes. Something the body releases reduces pain. Mike   I’ve had Crohn’s for about 17 years now(since I was 15 years old) . Mine is the form many call ileitis. As I am well aware of, someone having a Crohn’s attack, which seem to last about 12 to 24 hours for me, will do just about anything to take the pain away. Well, many years ago, by accident, I found that taking Viagra during a Crohn’s attack significantly took the pain away and in most cases got rid of the pain entirely. I am wondering if anyone else has had any experiences with Viagra reducing a Crohn’s attack? Not to make light of your situation but could it be what you do after the viagra takes effect is what is taking the pain away?  I hope you get my meaning <G. Sorry I used to work at Pfizer and this certainly sounded like  a place for some off color pfizer viagra humor!  I was at pfizer when viagra hit the market and you should have heard some of the jokes and funnies going around at that time in house! Please Visit www.ibdcure.com and sign the petition for an IBD postage stamp. All opinions expressed are mine unless otherwise noted. "those that can be offended, will be" … Pastor Don —–=  Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News  =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!  Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers!  ==—–

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – found that taking Viagra during a Crohn’s attack significantly took the pain away and in most cases got rid of the pain entirely. I am wondering if anyone else has had any experiences with Viagra reducing a Crohn’s attack? This would kind of give a bit of credence to what I said about the lack of circulation to the gut? If more circulation diminishes the attack? Same as with the use of heparin .. which would thin the blood and now allow it to force its way through the microvessels and NOW be able to replenish/’feed’ the gut? I’ve been trying to find information as to the effect of ‘gluten’ in the blood but haven’t found anything. Anyone hear anything about whether gluten might thicken the blood? Who loves ya. Tom — Jesus was a Vegetarian! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman Moses was a Mystic! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman/light.html

I was thinking about heparin too while reading this thread.  Hmmm, taking viagra experimentally sounds like a lot more fun. ;-)

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I think you hit the nail on the head. My original suggestion about Viagra was exactly what you pointed out. Viagra could possibly work for the gut in the same way aspiration medications work for people with asthma.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – found that taking Viagra during a Crohn’s attack significantly took the pain away and in most cases got rid of the pain entirely. I am wondering if anyone else has had any experiences with Viagra reducing a Crohn’s attack? This would kind of give a bit of credence to what I said about the lack of circulation to the gut? If more circulation diminishes the attack? Same as with the use of heparin .. which would thin the blood and now allow it to force its way through the microvessels and NOW be able to replenish/’feed’ the gut? I’ve been trying to find information as to the effect of ‘gluten’ in the blood but haven’t found anything. Anyone hear anything about whether gluten might thicken the blood? Who loves ya. Tom — Jesus was a Vegetarian! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman Moses was a Mystic! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman/light.html

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Actually you have a point here. Many doctors will not listen to you when you felt you have found a unique or odd remedy to a certain condition you may have. It seems they are trained to ignore you for some reason. *shrug*. So all you do is say "hey doc I can’t get it up" and viola , you get a prescription for the big V.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – RE: Re: Viagra VS Crohn’s pain It would be kind of "HARD" for a guy who has Crohn’s to take viagra everyday then go off to work though.  If you get my meaning! – Which could introduce a new kind of "pain"… – Although, for those whose medical insurance will not cover Viagra for sexual disfunction, then they could at least get it under the guise of needing it for thier Crohn’s or Colitis. – When we had insurance, they would not pay for Zyban to help the wife quit smoking.  They would, however, pay for Welbutrin for depression.  And since she was on anti-depressants anyway, her doctor just changed her to Welbutrin so she could get the anti-depressant benefits AND the help to stop smoking. – – Origin: The Wild Wild West * 503-623-0185

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found that taking Viagra during a Crohn’s attack significantly took the pain away and in most cases got rid of the pain entirely. I am wondering if anyone else has had any experiences with Viagra reducing a Crohn’s attack?

This would kind of give a bit of credence to what I said about the lack of circulation to the gut? If more circulation diminishes the attack? Same as with the use of heparin .. which would thin the blood and now allow it to force its way through the microvessels and NOW be able to replenish/’feed’ the gut? I’ve been trying to find information as to the effect of ‘gluten’ in the blood but haven’t found anything. Anyone hear anything about whether gluten might thicken the blood? Who loves ya. Tom — Jesus was a Vegetarian! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman Moses was a Mystic! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman/light.html

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I think everyone is getting Viagra mixed up with orgasm. Viagra does not cause orgasm nor does it increase the want or desire for sex or an orgasm. All it does is force or allow  increased blood flow to lower extremeties. If you get an erection, it was because you wanted one, not because Viagra did it. Viagra only causes increased blood flow in the lower extremeties thus making it easier to keep an erection.  But don’t take too many Viagra….I hear it’ll give you a stiff neck *smirk*

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snipped my own rude comments before I posted. One glass of endorphins on the rocks PULEEEEEZE!! Elizabeth During orgasm, the body releases those neurotransmitters that are responsible for controlling pain — are they endomorphins? These are the same neurotransmitters that are released when you take narcotics. It’s actually the neurotransmitters that are responsible for the pain relief as well as the side effects of euphoria and dry mouth. Believe it or not, sex is actually good for pain! love, steve (H) CD Class of ‘82 ASCC on the WWW: http://ascc.healingwell.com Shabzham may not be far off. I read someplace that orgasms were good for migrianes. Something the body releases reduces pain. Mike   I’ve had Crohn’s for about 17 years now(since I was 15 years old) . Mine is the form many call ileitis. As I am well aware of, someone having a Crohn’s attack, which seem to last about 12 to 24 hours for me, will do just about anything to take the pain away. Well, many years ago, by accident, I found that taking Viagra during a Crohn’s attack significantly took the pain away and in most cases got rid of the pain entirely. I am wondering if anyone else has had any experiences with Viagra reducing a Crohn’s attack? Not to make light of your situation but could it be what you do after the viagra takes effect is what is taking the pain away?  I hope you get my meaning <G. Sorry I used to work at Pfizer and this certainly sounded like  a place for some off color pfizer viagra humor!  I was at pfizer when viagra hit the market and you should have heard some of the jokes and funnies going around at that time in house! Please Visit www.ibdcure.com and sign the petition for an IBD postage stamp. All opinions expressed are mine unless otherwise noted. "those that can be offended, will be" … Pastor Don —–=  Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News  =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!  Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers!  ==—–

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RE: Re: Viagra VS Crohn’s pain It would be kind of "HARD" for a guy who has Crohn’s to take viagra everyday then go off to work though.  If you get my meaning!

- Which could introduce a new kind of "pain"…   – Although, for those whose medical insurance will not cover Viagra for sexual disfunction, then they could at least get it under the guise of needing it for thier Crohn’s or Colitis. – When we had insurance, they would not pay for Zyban to help the wife quit smoking.  They would, however, pay for Welbutrin for depression.  And since she was on anti-depressants anyway, her doctor just changed her to Welbutrin so she could get the anti-depressant benefits AND the help to stop smoking.   – – Origin: The Wild Wild West * 503-623-0185

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Yohimbe may be similar since it increases blood flow all over the body in the same manner as coffee. But, Yohimbe makes me stressed out in the same way drinking too much coffee does. Viagra can stress you out, but it tends to localize the increase in blood pressure for some odd reason to the lower extremities, which is where Crohn’s loves to hang out the most. *shrug* – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The yohimbe does the same thing plus it is supposed to increase testostorone. So how long does the viagra reduce the pain? Mike Actually no. Orgasm had nothing to do with the dissipation of the Crohn’s attack. If it was about an orgasm , then the pain would return afterwords. Viagra does not increase libido nor does it cause orgasm. Viagra only makes it easier for blood to flow in the lower extremities.  My guess is that the complete eradication of the Crohn’s attack had something to do with the increased blood flow to the lower extremities. Its a shame, although ,  that Viagra is so associated with erectile enhancement that it will probably never be seriously considered as having possible beneficial side effects for other problems.   I’ve had Crohn’s for about 17 years now(since I was 15 years old) . Mine is the form many call ileitis. As I am well aware of, someone having a Crohn’s attack, which seem to last about 12 to 24 hours for me, will do just about anything to take the pain away. Well, many years ago, by accident, I found that taking Viagra during a Crohn’s attack significantly took the pain away and in most cases got rid of the pain entirely. I am wondering if anyone else has had any experiences with Viagra reducing a Crohn’s attack? Not to make light of your situation but could it be what you do after the viagra takes effect is what is taking the pain away?  I hope you get my meaning <G. Sorry I used to work at Pfizer and this certainly sounded like  a place for some off color pfizer viagra humor!  I was at pfizer when viagra hit the market and you should have heard some of the jokes and funnies going around at that time in house! Please Visit www.ibdcure.com and sign the petition for an IBD postage stamp. All opinions expressed are mine unless otherwise noted. "those that can be offended, will be" … Pastor Don

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<snipped my own rude comments before I posted. One glass of endorphins on the rocks PULEEEEEZE!!         Elizabeth – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – During orgasm, the body releases those neurotransmitters that are responsible for controlling pain — are they endomorphins? These are the same neurotransmitters that are released when you take narcotics. It’s actually the neurotransmitters that are responsible for the pain relief as well as the side effects of euphoria and dry mouth. Believe it or not, sex is actually good for pain! love, steve (H) CD Class of ‘82 ASCC on the WWW: http://ascc.healingwell.com Shabzham may not be far off. I read someplace that orgasms were good for migrianes. Something the body releases reduces pain. Mike   I’ve had Crohn’s for about 17 years now(since I was 15 years old) . Mine is the form many call ileitis. As I am well aware of, someone having a Crohn’s attack, which seem to last about 12 to 24 hours for me, will do just about anything to take the pain away. Well, many years ago, by accident, I found that taking Viagra during a Crohn’s attack significantly took the pain away and in most cases got rid of the pain entirely. I am wondering if anyone else has had any experiences with Viagra reducing a Crohn’s attack? Not to make light of your situation but could it be what you do after the viagra takes effect is what is taking the pain away?  I hope you get my meaning <G. Sorry I used to work at Pfizer and this certainly sounded like  a place for some off color pfizer viagra humor!  I was at pfizer when viagra hit the market and you should have heard some of the jokes and funnies going around at that time in house! Please Visit www.ibdcure.com and sign the petition for an IBD postage stamp. All opinions expressed are mine unless otherwise noted. "those that can be offended, will be" … Pastor Don —–=  Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News  =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!  Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers!  ==—–

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The yohimbe does the same thing plus it is supposed to increase testostorone. So how long does the viagra reduce the pain? Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Actually no. Orgasm had nothing to do with the dissipation of the Crohn’s attack. If it was about an orgasm , then the pain would return afterwords. Viagra does not increase libido nor does it cause orgasm. Viagra only makes it easier for blood to flow in the lower extremities.  My guess is that the complete eradication of the Crohn’s attack had something to do with the increased blood flow to the lower extremities. Its a shame, although ,  that Viagra is so associated with erectile enhancement that it will probably never be seriously considered as having possible beneficial side effects for other problems.   I’ve had Crohn’s for about 17 years now(since I was 15 years old) . Mine is the form many call ileitis. As I am well aware of, someone having a Crohn’s attack, which seem to last about 12 to 24 hours for me, will do just about anything to take the pain away. Well, many years ago, by accident, I found that taking Viagra during a Crohn’s attack significantly took the pain away and in most cases got rid of the pain entirely. I am wondering if anyone else has had any experiences with Viagra reducing a Crohn’s attack? Not to make light of your situation but could it be what you do after the viagra takes effect is what is taking the pain away?  I hope you get my meaning <G. Sorry I used to work at Pfizer and this certainly sounded like  a place for some off color pfizer viagra humor!  I was at pfizer when viagra hit the market and you should have heard some of the jokes and funnies going around at that time in house!

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 Actually no. Orgasm had nothing to do with the dissipation of the Crohn’s attack. If it was about an orgasm , then the pain would return afterwords. Viagra does not increase libido nor does it cause orgasm. Viagra only makes it easier for blood to flow in the lower extremities.   My guess is that the complete eradication of the Crohn’s attack had something to do with the increased blood flow to the lower extremities. Its a shame, although ,  that Viagra is so associated with erectile enhancement that it will probably never be seriously considered as having possible beneficial side effects for other problems.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   I’ve had Crohn’s for about 17 years now(since I was 15 years old) . Mine is the form many call ileitis. As I am well aware of, someone having a Crohn’s attack, which seem to last about 12 to 24 hours for me, will do just about anything to take the pain away. Well, many years ago, by accident, I found that taking Viagra during a Crohn’s attack significantly took the pain away and in most cases got rid of the pain entirely. I am wondering if anyone else has had any experiences with Viagra reducing a Crohn’s attack? Not to make light of your situation but could it be what you do after the viagra takes effect is what is taking the pain away?  I hope you get my meaning <G. Sorry I used to work at Pfizer and this certainly sounded like  a place for some off color pfizer viagra humor!  I was at pfizer when viagra hit the market and you should have heard some of the jokes and funnies going around at that time in house!

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Some people like that sort of thing … Not me, personally. I find that pain hurts me! steve (H) CD Class of ‘82 ASCC on the WWW: http://ascc.healingwell.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Unless that pain is a bad back….  then ouch, ouch, ouch,ouch… ooooooo. Mike During orgasm, the body releases those neurotransmitters that are responsible for controlling pain — are they endomorphins? These are the same neurotransmitters that are released when you take narcotics. It’s actually the neurotransmitters that are responsible for the pain relief as well as the side effects of euphoria and dry mouth. Believe it or not, sex is actually good for pain! love, steve (H) CD Class of ‘82 ASCC on the WWW: http://ascc.healingwell.com Shabzham may not be far off. I read someplace that orgasms were good for migrianes. Something the body releases reduces pain. Mike   I’ve had Crohn’s for about 17 years now(since I was 15 years old) . Mine is the form many call ileitis. As I am well aware of, someone having a Crohn’s attack, which seem to last about 12 to 24 hours for me, will do just about anything to take the pain away. Well, many years ago, by accident, I found that taking Viagra during a Crohn’s attack significantly took the pain away and in most cases got rid of the pain entirely. I am wondering if anyone else has had any experiences with Viagra reducing a Crohn’s attack? Not to make light of your situation but could it be what you do after the viagra takes effect is what is taking the pain away?  I hope you get my meaning <G. Sorry I used to work at Pfizer and this certainly sounded like  a place for some off color pfizer viagra humor!  I was at pfizer when viagra hit the market and you should have heard some of the jokes and funnies going around at that time in house! Please Visit www.ibdcure.com and sign the petition for an IBD postage stamp. All opinions expressed are mine unless otherwise noted. "those that can be offended, will be" … Pastor Don —–=  Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News  =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers!  ==—– Please Visit www.ibdcure.com and sign the petition for an IBD postage stamp. All opinions expressed are mine unless otherwise noted. "those that can be offended, will be" … Pastor Don

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that’s what i have been saying for years…but no one believes me!!!!  :-( jeffy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – During orgasm, the body releases those neurotransmitters that are responsible for controlling pain — are they endomorphins? These are the same neurotransmitters that are released when you take narcotics. It’s actually the neurotransmitters that are responsible for the pain relief as well as the side effects of euphoria and dry mouth. Believe it or not, sex is actually good for pain! love, steve (H) CD Class of ‘82 ASCC on the WWW: http://ascc.healingwell.com Shabzham may not be far off. I read someplace that orgasms were good for migrianes. Something the body releases reduces pain. Mike   I’ve had Crohn’s for about 17 years now(since I was 15 years old) . Mine is the form many call ileitis. As I am well aware of, someone having a Crohn’s attack, which seem to last about 12 to 24 hours for me, will do just about anything to take the pain away. Well, many years ago, by accident, I found that taking Viagra during a Crohn’s attack significantly took the pain away and in most cases got rid of the pain entirely. I am wondering if anyone else has had any experiences with Viagra reducing a Crohn’s attack? Not to make light of your situation but could it be what you do after the viagra takes effect is what is taking the pain away?  I hope you get my meaning <G. Sorry I used to work at Pfizer and this certainly sounded like  a place for some off color pfizer viagra humor!  I was at pfizer when viagra hit the market and you should have heard some of the jokes and funnies going around at that time in house! Please Visit www.ibdcure.com and sign the petition for an IBD postage stamp. All opinions expressed are mine unless otherwise noted. "those that can be offended, will be" … Pastor Don —–=  Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News  =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!  Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers!  ==—–

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Unless that pain is a bad back….  then ouch, ouch, ouch,ouch… ooooooo. Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – During orgasm, the body releases those neurotransmitters that are responsible for controlling pain — are they endomorphins? These are the same neurotransmitters that are released when you take narcotics. It’s actually the neurotransmitters that are responsible for the pain relief as well as the side effects of euphoria and dry mouth. Believe it or not, sex is actually good for pain! love, steve (H) CD Class of ‘82 ASCC on the WWW: http://ascc.healingwell.com Shabzham may not be far off. I read someplace that orgasms were good for migrianes. Something the body releases reduces pain. Mike   I’ve had Crohn’s for about 17 years now(since I was 15 years old) . Mine is the form many call ileitis. As I am well aware of, someone having a Crohn’s attack, which seem to last about 12 to 24 hours for me, will do just about anything to take the pain away. Well, many years ago, by accident, I found that taking Viagra during a Crohn’s attack significantly took the pain away and in most cases got rid of the pain entirely. I am wondering if anyone else has had any experiences with Viagra reducing a Crohn’s attack? Not to make light of your situation but could it be what you do after the viagra takes effect is what is taking the pain away?  I hope you get my meaning <G. Sorry I used to work at Pfizer and this certainly sounded like  a place for some off color pfizer viagra humor!  I was at pfizer when viagra hit the market and you should have heard some of the jokes and funnies going around at that time in house! Please Visit www.ibdcure.com and sign the petition for an IBD postage stamp. All opinions expressed are mine unless otherwise noted. "those that can be offended, will be" … Pastor Don —–=  Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News  =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers!  ==—–

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I worked a shop and we got a sample of a product called Herbal V. I gave it a try to see if we wanted to carry it. It seemed to help my gut so I decided to test every herb in it. The first herb was yohimbe. I tried straight yohimbe and it seemed to help. Mike I found that taking yohimbe does the same thing. Why are you taking yohimbe?

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During orgasm, the body releases those neurotransmitters that are responsible for controlling pain — are they endomorphins? These are the same neurotransmitters that are released when you take narcotics. It’s actually the neurotransmitters that are responsible for the pain relief as well as the side effects of euphoria and dry mouth. Believe it or not, sex is actually good for pain! love, steve (H) CD Class of ‘82 ASCC on the WWW: http://ascc.healingwell.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Shabzham may not be far off. I read someplace that orgasms were good for migrianes. Something the body releases reduces pain. Mike   I’ve had Crohn’s for about 17 years now(since I was 15 years old) . Mine is the form many call ileitis. As I am well aware of, someone having a Crohn’s attack, which seem to last about 12 to 24 hours for me, will do just about anything to take the pain away. Well, many years ago, by accident, I found that taking Viagra during a Crohn’s attack significantly took the pain away and in most cases got rid of the pain entirely. I am wondering if anyone else has had any experiences with Viagra reducing a Crohn’s attack? Not to make light of your situation but could it be what you do after the viagra takes effect is what is taking the pain away?  I hope you get my meaning <G. Sorry I used to work at Pfizer and this certainly sounded like  a place for some off color pfizer viagra humor!  I was at pfizer when viagra hit the market and you should have heard some of the jokes and funnies going around at that time in house! Please Visit www.ibdcure.com and sign the petition for an IBD postage stamp. All opinions expressed are mine unless otherwise noted. "those that can be offended, will be" … Pastor Don

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Shabzham may not be far off. I read someplace that orgasms were good for migrianes. Something the body releases reduces pain. Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   I’ve had Crohn’s for about 17 years now(since I was 15 years old) . Mine is the form many call ileitis. As I am well aware of, someone having a Crohn’s attack, which seem to last about 12 to 24 hours for me, will do just about anything to take the pain away. Well, many years ago, by accident, I found that taking Viagra during a Crohn’s attack significantly took the pain away and in most cases got rid of the pain entirely. I am wondering if anyone else has had any experiences with Viagra reducing a Crohn’s attack? Not to make light of your situation but could it be what you do after the viagra takes effect is what is taking the pain away?  I hope you get my meaning <G. Sorry I used to work at Pfizer and this certainly sounded like  a place for some off color pfizer viagra humor!  I was at pfizer when viagra hit the market and you should have heard some of the jokes and funnies going around at that time in house!

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I found that taking yohimbe does the same thing.

Why are you taking yohimbe?

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  I’ve had Crohn’s for about 17 years now(since I was 15 years old) . Mine is the form many call ileitis. As I am well aware of, someone having a Crohn’s attack, which seem to last about 12 to 24 hours for me, will do just about anything to take the pain away. Well, many years ago, by accident, I found that taking Viagra during a Crohn’s attack significantly took the pain away and in most cases got rid of the pain entirely. I am wondering if anyone else has had any experiences with Viagra reducing a Crohn’s attack?

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  I’ve had Crohn’s for about 17 years now(since I was 15 years old) . Mine is the form many call ileitis. As I am well aware of, someone having a Crohn’s attack, which seem to last about 12 to 24 hours for me, will do just about anything to take the pain away. Well, many years ago, by accident, I found that taking Viagra during a Crohn’s attack significantly took the pain away and in most cases got rid of the pain entirely. I am wondering if anyone else has had any experiences with Viagra reducing a Crohn’s attack?

Not to make light of your situation but could it be what you do after the viagra takes effect is what is taking the pain away?  I hope you get my meaning <G. Sorry I used to work at Pfizer and this certainly sounded like  a place for some off color pfizer viagra humor!  I was at pfizer when viagra hit the market and you should have heard some of the jokes and funnies going around at that time in house! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Hmm intersting, I found that taking yohimbe does the same thing. I think both work by opening the blood vessels. I wonder what both drugs break down to. Yohimbe breaks down to hydrocloride something or other (spelling may be way off. I will look for it) Mike  I’ve had Crohn’s for about 17 years now(since I was 15 years old) . Mine is the form many call ileitis. As I am well aware of, someone having a Crohn’s attack, which seem to last about 12 to 24 hours for me, will do just about anything to take the pain away. Well, many years ago, by accident, I found that taking Viagra during a Crohn’s attack significantly took the pain away and in most cases got rid of the pain entirely. I am wondering if anyone else has had any experiences with Viagra reducing a Crohn’s attack?

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Surgical Report (long)

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Many surgeons in all the various fields at Johns Hopkins have found that patients’ wounds/incisions heal more quickly and completely if them have 10 days of optimal nutrition prior to surgery. Whether that be TPN, enteral or regular food reviewed by a dietitian and supplemented with vitamins, fats or aminoacids if necessary it made a tremendous difference in healing. As for pain control, remember there was a mandate by the Joint Commission that accrediates hospitals that they include PAIN as the fifth vital sign in assessing hospitalized patients, in fact a jury just this week awarded a family 1.5 million dollars when a jury found that their dying relative was not properly medicated for pain. Pain medication should be started intraoperatively. It assures a quicker recovery. It is every patient’s right to be free of pain. When patients familiarize themselves with the law and their rights and demand it of their doctors than the system will  change. — Pearl. L

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – John, That’s quite a story!  I’d tell you mine, but I’m sure you wouldn’t want to hear it!  Heck, I don’t even want to hear it!  And, I’m sure this NG is tired of hearing it! The good news, John, is that you are on the mend.  I know how "yucky" an open wound is.  I hope your recovery time is short.  I was back to work three  weeks after my surgery — and , trust me, I was in far worse shape and had far worse surgery than you.  But, I did only go back for half days for a couple of weeks because I tired easily.  I have a "desk" job.  If you do physical work, it will probably take you 6 to 8 weeks to be strong enough. EAT LOTS OF PROTEIN!  GET LOTS OF REST!  WALK! Hang in there! Love & Peace, Connie

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John, That’s quite a story!  I’d tell you mine, but I’m sure you wouldn’t want to hear it!  Heck, I don’t even want to hear it!  And, I’m sure this NG is tired of hearing it! The good news, John, is that you are on the mend.  I know how "yucky" an open wound is.  I hope your recovery time is short.  I was back to work three  weeks after my surgery — and , trust me, I was in far worse shape and had far worse surgery than you.  But, I did only go back for half days for a couple of weeks because I tired easily.  I have a "desk" job.  If you do physical work, it will probably take you 6 to 8 weeks to be strong enough. EAT LOTS OF PROTEIN!  GET LOTS OF REST!  WALK! Hang in there! Love & Peace, Connie

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Hi John,

<stuff deleted I loved hearing you woke up with NO ng tube!!  Do you know why one wasn’t used?

I don’t know why I didn’t get one.  I was on a ’surgical floor’ and noticed other folks that had them.  I just silently counted my blessings.  My prior experience with the NG tube was pretty bad, coughing up blood, etc. I also had an incision open up and become infected after a surgery while on pred.  On the way from my post-op dr’s visit to have the stitches taken out, I could actually feel the incision separating  from the top to the bottom. It became infected and needed to heal from the inside out which was a real wad of gauze "very deeply" into my hide so it could heal was not pleasant!

That’s where I’m at now.  I think I’d feel a lot better if I didn’t have this gaping wound in my belly.  Can’t wear real pants yet because the waistline would hit the wound…  :-(                                                                 —john.

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John, Oh, I know just how you feel!  I hope it heals quickly for you – at least then you can cover your "tushie"!! ;o) Hugs,  Linda

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi John, <stuff deleted I loved hearing you woke up with NO ng tube!!  Do you know why one wasn’t used? I don’t know why I didn’t get one.  I was on a ’surgical floor’ and noticed other folks that had them.  I just silently counted my blessings.  My prior experience with the NG tube was pretty bad, coughing up blood, etc. I also had an incision open up and become infected after a surgery while on pred.  On the way from my post-op dr’s visit to have the stitches taken out, I could actually feel the incision separating  from the top to the bottom. It became infected and needed to heal from the inside out which was a real wad of gauze "very deeply" into my hide so it could heal was not pleasant! That’s where I’m at now.  I think I’d feel a lot better if I didn’t have this gaping wound in my belly.  Can’t wear real pants yet because the waistline would hit the wound…  :-( —john.

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Thanks for a great story! Loved the part about the bed, how annoying! Hope your incision heals quickly and that you are back on your feet and feeling great really soon. I had a gallbladder incision that had to heal the same way — I feel your pain. Rebecca :-)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a sometime poster and mostly lurker on the group but I’m posting this in the hope that someone anticipating surgery might want an overview and perhaps ask some questions… I’ve got a lot of time on my hands right now so I thought I’d write a little tome about my recent surgery and hospitalization.  Enjoy… Background: I’d been having some sharp pains just below and to the left of my navel. They were unlike Crohn’s pain in my experience (20+ years) and I saw a number of Dr’s trying to determine what was causing the pain without success.  My GI suggested a Small Bowel Series and that was done.  The Radiologist’s reading of the films was essentially the same as the prior one two years before:  at least two areas of strictured bowel and one area of *very* distended bowel (in fact the x-ray techs thought it was my colon).  My GI made the same statement he’d been making for over a year:  You can keep taking the 6-MP or go have surgery.  We didn’t think Remicade was an option because the Crohn’s itself wasn’t very active and most of my daily symptoms/complaints were more related to the strictures which were causing partial obstructions frequently. Remicade is apparently ineffective against scar tissue (strictures). I decided to see my backup GI for another opinion.  I saw her on May 29th of this year.  After an incredibly looong wait in her waiting and examining rooms ( 3 hours) she said I was in urgent need of surgery and would schedule it right away.  She also mentioned the possibility that one of the strictured areas could possibly be cancerous. What a great prospect to think about over the long Memorial Day weekend holiday. Things moved very quickly.  I visited the hospital for a history and physical on tuesday the 29th.  On wednesday I had a brief meeting with the surgeon (whom I had seen previously, a year or so before), and thursday I entered the hospital at 9:00am for a scheduled 10:30am surgery. During the pre-surgical chat the anaesthesiologist mentioned using an epidural to control post-surgical pain.  Having never heard or discussed this I wimped out and said ‘no’.  Apparently I was to have been told about this at the history and physical meeting so I would have time to think about it and research it.  Maybe next time.  I was a little stressed out and couldn’t make a rational decision 15minutes prior to surgery. I awoke in the recovery room around 1:00pm in the worst pain imaginable. It seemed to take awhile before they pumped enough pain killers into me to make me comfortable.  They kept saying ‘rate your pain on a scale of 1 – 10′, I’d say ‘10′, and they’d say ‘are you sure?  we’ve given you a lot of pain killer already’ and then I’d say ‘10′ again.  This went on for a while but eventually things calmed down.  After a long wait in the recovery room because my room wasn’t ready I was wheeled out and up to my room. By this time I was becoming more aware of my condition.  Unlike 15 years ago when I had a similiar operation, this time I didn’t wake up with an NG tube.  This was a major source of joy!  On the downside I did have a Foley catheter which I hadn’t had before.  You’d think the nurses would be more careful moving that thing around… I spent the rest of thursday resting and chatting half-heartedly with my family and trying to figure out how to turn off the bed.  It had this ‘feature’ that was supposedly to prevent bed sores.  Everytime you moved it would adjust to equalize the pressure of all the points where you touched the bed.  So any time I moved there would be a ‘whir whir’ and the mattress would change.  This drove me nuts and the first night I got no sleep because of this (or at least that’s my belief). Subsequent nights were spend with the bed unplugged which meant that the head/feet up/down features were also disabled.  Later we figured how to turn off just the ‘auto adjust’ feature and all was much happier. The surgeon stopped by the next morning at 6:00am and explained that he had resected approximately 8 inches of small bowel and had performed a stricturoplasty at a second site.  He said everything went very well, minimal blood loss, no surprises, and the pathologist would have a report in about 5 days.  So I still didn’t know one way or the other about ‘cancer’. At about 7:30 the residents came by and checked me out.  I was in a teaching hospital after all.  On the third day they removed the tape and gauze covering my incision and I was greeted by the sight of a nice six inch row of staples exactly where my prior incision had been. I walked around the floor on the second day with my finger on the morphine button.  It got easier as the days passed. One change from 15 years ago was that when I was unhooked from my IV (for a shower or whatever) the nurse flushed the line going into my hand with saline.  Each time this was done the line clotted and I got a new IV stick.  Major bummer.  In the past Heparin was always used to flush lines that were not to be used for any period of time. The nurse claimed that research had proven that saline was just as good as Heparin for small lines like IVs.  I provided three (!!!) counter-examples… Aside from trying to be comfortable in a foreign place the most pressing need is to pass gas.  Until you pass gas there is no chance that you can be sent home.  I endured three days of the worst gas pains I had ever encountered.  Other than hot pads they had nothing to ease these pains.  The morphine wouldn’t touch it.  I finally succeded at 4:20am on June 7.  (That’s 7 days post-op).  They put me on the post-surgical diet (full-liquids) and things went o.k. and by evening I was eating turkey and mashed potatoes. The surgeon decided to discharge me on friday the 8th and the hospital stay was over.  I’m ‘totally disabled’ until June 30th and ‘partially disabled’ the month of July.  I can return to work when I feel I’m ready. The on-going issue at home now is that the incision didn’t heal properly and there is a one inch section that is still open and I need to dress it daily and let it heal from the inside out.  Yucchhhhh! That’s my story… —john.

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Thanks mgbio – they only left my sister’s in for one day!!  Then they hooked her up to a mo rph ine pump, but didn’t start it for four hours!!  I was livid!  I’m very relieved it can stay in for more than a day. Hugs,  Linda

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Linda, Regarding about the epidural, I had one after my intestinal surgery.  It was in 5 or 6 days.  By the time they removed it oral pain medication was able to cover my pain needs.  As I recall, I mostly needed the pain meds to sleep. :)  mgbio Hi John, Thanks for posting as I may be in the same boat as you soon.  I’ll begin my tests next week to see if I have what the dr suspects is a stricture. We’ll be checking to see if it’s active CD or scar tissue.  I haven’t had any surgery since 1989, which means alot of time has passed and I know there are alot of things done differently now.  I loved hearing you woke up with NO ng tube!!  Do you know why one wasn’t used?  With all 8 of my intestinal surgeries, there was at least 5 days on an ng.  I’ve also been in the same fix as you were in  with horrific pain.  I was on a morphine pump and the anesthesiologist was the only one that was supposed to make any changes in the dosage.   Whatever they gave me in recovery wore off very quickly. Well, it took them over 9 hrs to find him, and only seconds for the pain to disappear when he adjusted it!!  He said I was getting enough pain med for a 250 lb man, and I screeched "SO????"  My Mother actually thought I was going to try to jump out the window until the dr was found!  I see a pain dr. now and he said they would give me an epidural.  Sounded good to me, but do you know how long the epidural can stay in?? I also had an incision open up and become infected after a surgery while on pred.  On the way from my post-op dr’s visit to have the stitches taken out, I could actually feel the incision separating  from the top to the bottom. It became infected and needed to heal from the inside out which was a real a wad of gauze "very deeply" into my hide so it could heal was not pleasant! Again, thanks for sharing.  Hopefully I’m not facing surgery in the very near future, but if I am, I’ll have an idea what goes on nowadays. Hugs,  Linda I’m a sometime poster and mostly lurker on the group but I’m posting this in the hope that someone anticipating surgery might want an overview and perhaps ask some questions… I’ve got a lot of time on my hands right now so I thought I’d write a little tome about my recent surgery and hospitalization.  Enjoy… Background: I’d been having some sharp pains just below and to the left of my navel. They were unlike Crohn’s pain in my experience (20+ years) and I saw a number of Dr’s trying to determine what was causing the pain without success.  My GI suggested a Small Bowel Series and that was done.  The Radiologist’s reading of the films was essentially the same as the prior one two years before:  at least two areas of strictured bowel and one area of *very* distended bowel (in fact the x-ray techs thought it was my colon).  My GI made the same statement he’d been making for over a year:  You can keep taking the 6-MP or go have surgery.  We didn’t think Remicade was an option because the Crohn’s itself wasn’t very active and most of my daily symptoms/complaints were more related to the strictures which were causing partial obstructions frequently. Remicade is apparently ineffective against scar tissue (strictures). I decided to see my backup GI for another opinion.  I saw her on May 29th of this year.  After an incredibly looong wait in her waiting and examining rooms ( 3 hours) she said I was in urgent need of surgery and would schedule it right away.  She also mentioned the possibility that one of the strictured areas could possibly be cancerous. What a great prospect to think about over the long Memorial Day weekend holiday. Things moved very quickly.  I visited the hospital for a history and physical on tuesday the 29th.  On wednesday I had a brief meeting with the surgeon (whom I had seen previously, a year or so before), and thursday I entered the hospital at 9:00am for a scheduled 10:30am surgery. During the pre-surgical chat the anaesthesiologist mentioned using an epidural to control post-surgical pain.  Having never heard or discussed this I wimped out and said ‘no’.  Apparently I was to have been told about this at the history and physical meeting so I would have time to think about it and research it.  Maybe next time.  I was a little stressed out and couldn’t make a rational decision 15minutes prior to surgery. I awoke in the recovery room around 1:00pm in the worst pain imaginable. It seemed to take awhile before they pumped enough pain killers into me to make me comfortable.  They kept saying ‘rate your pain on a scale of 1 – 10′, I’d say ‘10′, and they’d say ‘are you sure?  we’ve given you a lot of pain killer already’ and then I’d say ‘10′ again.  This went on for a while but eventually things calmed down.  After a long wait in the recovery room because my room wasn’t ready I was wheeled out and up to my room. By this time I was becoming more aware of my condition.  Unlike 15 years ago when I had a similiar operation, this time I didn’t wake up with an NG tube.  This was a major source of joy!  On the downside I did have a Foley catheter which I hadn’t had before.  You’d think the nurses would be more careful moving that thing around… I spent the rest of thursday resting and chatting half-heartedly with my family and trying to figure out how to turn off the bed.  It had this ‘feature’ that was supposedly to prevent bed sores.  Everytime you moved it would adjust to equalize the pressure of all the points where you touched the bed.  So any time I moved there would be a ‘whir whir’ and the mattress would change.  This drove me nuts and the first night I got no sleep because of this (or at least that’s my belief). Subsequent nights were spend with the bed unplugged which meant that the head/feet up/down features were also disabled.  Later we figured how to turn off just the ‘auto adjust’ feature and all was much happier. The surgeon stopped by the next morning at 6:00am and explained that he had resected approximately 8 inches of small bowel and had performed a stricturoplasty at a second site.  He said everything went very well, minimal blood loss, no surprises, and the pathologist would have a report in about 5 days.  So I still didn’t know one way or the other about ‘cancer’. At about 7:30 the residents came by and checked me out.  I was in a teaching hospital after all.  On the third day they removed the tape and gauze covering my incision and I was greeted by the sight of a nice six inch row of staples exactly where my prior incision had been. I walked around the floor on the second day with my finger on the morphine button.  It got easier as the days passed. One change from 15 years ago was that when I was unhooked from my IV (for a shower or whatever) the nurse flushed the line going into my hand with saline.  Each time this was done the line clotted and I got a new IV stick.  Major bummer.  In the past Heparin was always used to flush lines that were not to be used for any period of time. The nurse claimed that research had proven that saline was just as good as Heparin for small lines like IVs.  I provided three (!!!) counter-examples… Aside from trying to be comfortable in a foreign place the most pressing need is to pass gas.  Until you pass gas there is no chance that you can be sent home.  I endured three days of the worst gas pains I had ever encountered.  Other than hot pads they had nothing to ease these pains.  The morphine wouldn’t touch it.  I finally succeded at 4:20am on June 7.  (That’s 7 days post-op).  They put me on the post-surgical diet (full-liquids) and things went o.k. and by evening I was eating turkey and mashed potatoes. The surgeon decided to discharge me on friday the 8th and the hospital stay was over.  I’m ‘totally disabled’ until June 30th and ‘partially disabled’ the month of July.  I can return to work when I feel I’m ready. The on-going issue at home now is that the incision didn’t heal properly and there is a one inch section that is still open and I need to dress it daily and let it heal from the inside out.  Yucchhhhh! That’s my story… —john.

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Thanks for posting this, sorry you had to have the surgery. I just recently had surgery for an abcess and it seems that the medical profession is definately taking a downturn when it comes to patient care. When I awoke in recovery, I was in quite a lot of pain, I asked for a painkiller, and I basically had to threaten everyones life just to get the nurses to do that. Finally I got some, then the doctor came by and gave me two prescriptions, one for tylenol with codiene (works pretty well) and Vicadan, which is a narcotic, but woohooo does it work. All the best to a speedy and healthy recovery ! Gary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a sometime poster and mostly lurker on the group but I’m posting this in the hope that someone anticipating surgery might want an overview and perhaps ask some questions… I’ve got a lot of time on my hands right now so I thought I’d write a little tome about my recent surgery and hospitalization.  Enjoy… Background: I’d been having some sharp pains just below and to the left of my navel. They were unlike Crohn’s pain in my experience (20+ years) and I saw a number of Dr’s trying to determine what was causing the pain without success.  My GI suggested a Small Bowel Series and that was done.  The Radiologist’s reading of the films was essentially the same as the prior one two years before:  at least two areas of strictured bowel and one area of *very* distended bowel (in fact the x-ray techs thought it was my colon).  My GI made the same statement he’d been making for over a year:  You can keep taking the 6-MP or go have surgery.  We didn’t think Remicade was an option because the Crohn’s itself wasn’t very active and most of my daily symptoms/complaints were more related to the strictures which were causing partial obstructions frequently.   Remicade is apparently ineffective against scar tissue (strictures). I decided to see my backup GI for another opinion.  I saw her on May 29th of this year.  After an incredibly looong wait in her waiting and examining rooms ( 3 hours) she said I was in urgent need of surgery and would schedule it right away.  She also mentioned the possibility that one of the strictured areas could possibly be cancerous. What a great prospect to think about over the long Memorial Day weekend holiday. Things moved very quickly.  I visited the hospital for a history and physical on tuesday the 29th.  On wednesday I had a brief meeting with the surgeon (whom I had seen previously, a year or so before), and thursday I entered the hospital at 9:00am for a scheduled 10:30am surgery. During the pre-surgical chat the anaesthesiologist mentioned using an epidural to control post-surgical pain.  Having never heard or discussed this I wimped out and said ‘no’.  Apparently I was to have been told about this at the history and physical meeting so I would have time to think about it and research it.  Maybe next time.  I was a little stressed out and couldn’t make a rational decision 15minutes prior to surgery. I awoke in the recovery room around 1:00pm in the worst pain imaginable. It seemed to take awhile before they pumped enough pain killers into me to make me comfortable.  They kept saying ‘rate your pain on a scale of 1 – 10′, I’d say ‘10′, and they’d say ‘are you sure?  we’ve given you a lot of pain killer already’ and then I’d say ‘10′ again.  This went on for a while but eventually things calmed down.  After a long wait in the recovery room because my room wasn’t ready I was wheeled out and up to my room. By this time I was becoming more aware of my condition.  Unlike 15 years ago when I had a similiar operation, this time I didn’t wake up with an NG tube.  This was a major source of joy!  On the downside I did have a Foley catheter which I hadn’t had before.  You’d think the nurses would be more careful moving that thing around… I spent the rest of thursday resting and chatting half-heartedly with my family and trying to figure out how to turn off the bed.  It had this ‘feature’ that was supposedly to prevent bed sores.  Everytime you moved it would adjust to equalize the pressure of all the points where you touched the bed.  So any time I moved there would be a ‘whir whir’ and the mattress would change.  This drove me nuts and the first night I got no sleep because of this (or at least that’s my belief). Subsequent nights were spend with the bed unplugged which meant that the head/feet up/down features were also disabled.  Later we figured how to turn off just the ‘auto adjust’ feature and all was much happier. The surgeon stopped by the next morning at 6:00am and explained that he had resected approximately 8 inches of small bowel and had performed a stricturoplasty at a second site.  He said everything went very well, minimal blood loss, no surprises, and the pathologist would have a report in about 5 days.  So I still didn’t know one way or the other about ‘cancer’. At about 7:30 the residents came by and checked me out.  I was in a teaching hospital after all.  On the third day they removed the tape and gauze covering my incision and I was greeted by the sight of a nice six inch row of staples exactly where my prior incision had been. I walked around the floor on the second day with my finger on the morphine button.  It got easier as the days passed. One change from 15 years ago was that when I was unhooked from my IV (for a shower or whatever) the nurse flushed the line going into my hand with saline.  Each time this was done the line clotted and I got a new IV stick.  Major bummer.  In the past Heparin was always used to flush lines that were not to be used for any period of time. The nurse claimed that research had proven that saline was just as good as Heparin for small lines like IVs.  I provided three (!!!) counter-examples… Aside from trying to be comfortable in a foreign place the most pressing need is to pass gas.  Until you pass gas there is no chance that you can be sent home.  I endured three days of the worst gas pains I had ever encountered.  Other than hot pads they had nothing to ease these pains.  The morphine wouldn’t touch it.  I finally succeded at 4:20am on June 7.  (That’s 7 days post-op).  They put me on the post-surgical diet (full-liquids) and things went o.k. and by evening I was eating turkey and mashed potatoes. The surgeon decided to discharge me on friday the 8th and the hospital stay was over.  I’m ‘totally disabled’ until June 30th and ‘partially disabled’ the month of July.  I can return to work when I feel I’m ready. The on-going issue at home now is that the incision didn’t heal properly and there is a one inch section that is still open and I need to dress it daily and let it heal from the inside out.  Yucchhhhh! That’s my story…                                                    —john.

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Linda, Regarding about the epidural, I had one after my intestinal surgery.  It was in 5 or 6 days.  By the time they removed it oral pain medication was able to cover my pain needs.  As I recall, I mostly needed the pain meds to sleep. :)  mgbio – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi John, Thanks for posting as I may be in the same boat as you soon.  I’ll begin my tests next week to see if I have what the dr suspects is a stricture.  We’ll be checking to see if it’s active CD or scar tissue.  I haven’t had any surgery since 1989, which means alot of time has passed and I know there are alot of things done differently now.  I loved hearing you woke up with NO ng tube!!  Do you know why one wasn’t used?  With all 8 of my intestinal surgeries, there was at least 5 days on an ng.  I’ve also been in the same fix as you were in  with horrific pain.  I was on a morphine pump and the anesthesiologist was the only one that was supposed to make any changes in the dosage.   Whatever they gave me in recovery wore off very quickly. Well, it took them over 9 hrs to find him, and only seconds for the pain to disappear when he adjusted it!!  He said I was getting enough pain med for a 250 lb man, and I screeched "SO????"  My Mother actually thought I was going to try to jump out the window until the dr was found!  I see a pain dr. now and he said they would give me an epidural.  Sounded good to me, but do you know how long the epidural can stay in?? I also had an incision open up and become infected after a surgery while on pred.  On the way from my post-op dr’s visit to have the stitches taken out, I could actually feel the incision separating  from the top to the bottom. It became infected and needed to heal from the inside out which was a real wad of gauze "very deeply" into my hide so it could heal was not pleasant! Again, thanks for sharing.  Hopefully I’m not facing surgery in the very near future, but if I am, I’ll have an idea what goes on nowadays. Hugs,  Linda I’m a sometime poster and mostly lurker on the group but I’m posting this in the hope that someone anticipating surgery might want an overview and perhaps ask some questions… I’ve got a lot of time on my hands right now so I thought I’d write a little tome about my recent surgery and hospitalization.  Enjoy… Background: I’d been having some sharp pains just below and to the left of my navel. They were unlike Crohn’s pain in my experience (20+ years) and I saw a number of Dr’s trying to determine what was causing the pain without success.  My GI suggested a Small Bowel Series and that was done.  The Radiologist’s reading of the films was essentially the same as the prior one two years before:  at least two areas of strictured bowel and one area of *very* distended bowel (in fact the x-ray techs thought it was my colon).  My GI made the same statement he’d been making for over a year:  You can keep taking the 6-MP or go have surgery.  We didn’t think Remicade was an option because the Crohn’s itself wasn’t very active and most of my daily symptoms/complaints were more related to the strictures which were causing partial obstructions frequently. Remicade is apparently ineffective against scar tissue (strictures). I decided to see my backup GI for another opinion.  I saw her on May 29th of this year.  After an incredibly looong wait in her waiting and examining rooms ( 3 hours) she said I was in urgent need of surgery and would schedule it right away.  She also mentioned the possibility that one of the strictured areas could possibly be cancerous. What a great prospect to think about over the long Memorial Day weekend holiday. Things moved very quickly.  I visited the hospital for a history and physical on tuesday the 29th.  On wednesday I had a brief meeting with the surgeon (whom I had seen previously, a year or so before), and thursday I entered the hospital at 9:00am for a scheduled 10:30am surgery. During the pre-surgical chat the anaesthesiologist mentioned using an epidural to control post-surgical pain.  Having never heard or discussed this I wimped out and said ‘no’.  Apparently I was to have been told about this at the history and physical meeting so I would have time to think about it and research it.  Maybe next time.  I was a little stressed out and couldn’t make a rational decision 15minutes prior to surgery. I awoke in the recovery room around 1:00pm in the worst pain imaginable. It seemed to take awhile before they pumped enough pain killers into me to make me comfortable.  They kept saying ‘rate your pain on a scale of 1 – 10′, I’d say ‘10′, and they’d say ‘are you sure?  we’ve given you a lot of pain killer already’ and then I’d say ‘10′ again.  This went on for a while but eventually things calmed down.  After a long wait in the recovery room because my room wasn’t ready I was wheeled out and up to my room. By this time I was becoming more aware of my condition.  Unlike 15 years ago when I had a similiar operation, this time I didn’t wake up with an NG tube.  This was a major source of joy!  On the downside I did have a Foley catheter which I hadn’t had before.  You’d think the nurses would be more careful moving that thing around… I spent the rest of thursday resting and chatting half-heartedly with my family and trying to figure out how to turn off the bed.  It had this ‘feature’ that was supposedly to prevent bed sores.  Everytime you moved it would adjust to equalize the pressure of all the points where you touched the bed.  So any time I moved there would be a ‘whir whir’ and the mattress would change.  This drove me nuts and the first night I got no sleep because of this (or at least that’s my belief). Subsequent nights were spend with the bed unplugged which meant that the head/feet up/down features were also disabled.  Later we figured how to turn off just the ‘auto adjust’ feature and all was much happier. The surgeon stopped by the next morning at 6:00am and explained that he had resected approximately 8 inches of small bowel and had performed a stricturoplasty at a second site.  He said everything went very well, minimal blood loss, no surprises, and the pathologist would have a report in about 5 days.  So I still didn’t know one way or the other about ‘cancer’. At about 7:30 the residents came by and checked me out.  I was in a teaching hospital after all.  On the third day they removed the tape and gauze covering my incision and I was greeted by the sight of a nice six inch row of staples exactly where my prior incision had been. I walked around the floor on the second day with my finger on the morphine button.  It got easier as the days passed. One change from 15 years ago was that when I was unhooked from my IV (for a shower or whatever) the nurse flushed the line going into my hand with saline.  Each time this was done the line clotted and I got a new IV stick.  Major bummer.  In the past Heparin was always used to flush lines that were not to be used for any period of time. The nurse claimed that research had proven that saline was just as good as Heparin for small lines like IVs.  I provided three (!!!) counter-examples… Aside from trying to be comfortable in a foreign place the most pressing need is to pass gas.  Until you pass gas there is no chance that you can be sent home.  I endured three days of the worst gas pains I had ever encountered.  Other than hot pads they had nothing to ease these pains.  The morphine wouldn’t touch it.  I finally succeded at 4:20am on June 7.  (That’s 7 days post-op).  They put me on the post-surgical diet (full-liquids) and things went o.k. and by evening I was eating turkey and mashed potatoes. The surgeon decided to discharge me on friday the 8th and the hospital stay was over.  I’m ‘totally disabled’ until June 30th and ‘partially disabled’ the month of July.  I can return to work when I feel I’m ready. The on-going issue at home now is that the incision didn’t heal properly and there is a one inch section that is still open and I need to dress it daily and let it heal from the inside out.  Yucchhhhh! That’s my story… —john.

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Hi John, Thanks for posting as I may be in the same boat as you soon.  I’ll begin my tests next week to see if I have what the dr suspects is a stricture.  We’ll be checking to see if it’s active CD or scar tissue.  I haven’t had any surgery since 1989, which means alot of time has passed and I know there are alot of things done differently now.  I loved hearing you woke up with NO ng tube!!  Do you know why one wasn’t used?  With all 8 of my intestinal surgeries, there was at least 5 days on an ng.  I’ve also been in the same fix as you were in  with horrific pain.  I was on a morphine pump and the anesthesiologist was the only one that was supposed to make any changes in the dosage.   Whatever they gave me in recovery wore off very quickly. Well, it took them over 9 hrs to find him, and only seconds for the pain to disappear when he adjusted it!!  He said I was getting enough pain med for a 250 lb man, and I screeched "SO????"  My Mother actually thought I was going to try to jump out the window until the dr was found!  I see a pain dr. now and he said they would give me an epidural.  Sounded good to me, but do you know how long the epidural can stay in?? I also had an incision open up and become infected after a surgery while on pred.  On the way from my post-op dr’s visit to have the stitches taken out, I could actually feel the incision separating  from the top to the bottom. It became infected and needed to heal from the inside out which was a real wad of gauze "very deeply" into my hide so it could heal was not pleasant! Again, thanks for sharing.  Hopefully I’m not facing surgery in the very near future, but if I am, I’ll have an idea what goes on nowadays. Hugs,  Linda

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a sometime poster and mostly lurker on the group but I’m posting this in the hope that someone anticipating surgery might want an overview and perhaps ask some questions… I’ve got a lot of time on my hands right now so I thought I’d write a little tome about my recent surgery and hospitalization.  Enjoy… Background: I’d been having some sharp pains just below and to the left of my navel. They were unlike Crohn’s pain in my experience (20+ years) and I saw a number of Dr’s trying to determine what was causing the pain without success.  My GI suggested a Small Bowel Series and that was done.  The Radiologist’s reading of the films was essentially the same as the prior one two years before:  at least two areas of strictured bowel and one area of *very* distended bowel (in fact the x-ray techs thought it was my colon).  My GI made the same statement he’d been making for over a year:  You can keep taking the 6-MP or go have surgery.  We didn’t think Remicade was an option because the Crohn’s itself wasn’t very active and most of my daily symptoms/complaints were more related to the strictures which were causing partial obstructions frequently. Remicade is apparently ineffective against scar tissue (strictures). I decided to see my backup GI for another opinion.  I saw her on May 29th of this year.  After an incredibly looong wait in her waiting and examining rooms ( 3 hours) she said I was in urgent need of surgery and would schedule it right away.  She also mentioned the possibility that one of the strictured areas could possibly be cancerous. What a great prospect to think about over the long Memorial Day weekend holiday. Things moved very quickly.  I visited the hospital for a history and physical on tuesday the 29th.  On wednesday I had a brief meeting with the surgeon (whom I had seen previously, a year or so before), and thursday I entered the hospital at 9:00am for a scheduled 10:30am surgery. During the pre-surgical chat the anaesthesiologist mentioned using an epidural to control post-surgical pain.  Having never heard or discussed this I wimped out and said ‘no’.  Apparently I was to have been told about this at the history and physical meeting so I would have time to think about it and research it.  Maybe next time.  I was a little stressed out and couldn’t make a rational decision 15minutes prior to surgery. I awoke in the recovery room around 1:00pm in the worst pain imaginable. It seemed to take awhile before they pumped enough pain killers into me to make me comfortable.  They kept saying ‘rate your pain on a scale of 1 – 10′, I’d say ‘10′, and they’d say ‘are you sure?  we’ve given you a lot of pain killer already’ and then I’d say ‘10′ again.  This went on for a while but eventually things calmed down.  After a long wait in the recovery room because my room wasn’t ready I was wheeled out and up to my room. By this time I was becoming more aware of my condition.  Unlike 15 years ago when I had a similiar operation, this time I didn’t wake up with an NG tube.  This was a major source of joy!  On the downside I did have a Foley catheter which I hadn’t had before.  You’d think the nurses would be more careful moving that thing around… I spent the rest of thursday resting and chatting half-heartedly with my family and trying to figure out how to turn off the bed.  It had this ‘feature’ that was supposedly to prevent bed sores.  Everytime you moved it would adjust to equalize the pressure of all the points where you touched the bed.  So any time I moved there would be a ‘whir whir’ and the mattress would change.  This drove me nuts and the first night I got no sleep because of this (or at least that’s my belief). Subsequent nights were spend with the bed unplugged which meant that the head/feet up/down features were also disabled.  Later we figured how to turn off just the ‘auto adjust’ feature and all was much happier. The surgeon stopped by the next morning at 6:00am and explained that he had resected approximately 8 inches of small bowel and had performed a stricturoplasty at a second site.  He said everything went very well, minimal blood loss, no surprises, and the pathologist would have a report in about 5 days.  So I still didn’t know one way or the other about ‘cancer’. At about 7:30 the residents came by and checked me out.  I was in a teaching hospital after all.  On the third day they removed the tape and gauze covering my incision and I was greeted by the sight of a nice six inch row of staples exactly where my prior incision had been. I walked around the floor on the second day with my finger on the morphine button.  It got easier as the days passed. One change from 15 years ago was that when I was unhooked from my IV (for a shower or whatever) the nurse flushed the line going into my hand with saline.  Each time this was done the line clotted and I got a new IV stick.  Major bummer.  In the past Heparin was always used to flush lines that were not to be used for any period of time. The nurse claimed that research had proven that saline was just as good as Heparin for small lines like IVs.  I provided three (!!!) counter-examples… Aside from trying to be comfortable in a foreign place the most pressing need is to pass gas.  Until you pass gas there is no chance that you can be sent home.  I endured three days of the worst gas pains I had ever encountered.  Other than hot pads they had nothing to ease these pains.  The morphine wouldn’t touch it.  I finally succeded at 4:20am on June 7.  (That’s 7 days post-op).  They put me on the post-surgical diet (full-liquids) and things went o.k. and by evening I was eating turkey and mashed potatoes. The surgeon decided to discharge me on friday the 8th and the hospital stay was over.  I’m ‘totally disabled’ until June 30th and ‘partially disabled’ the month of July.  I can return to work when I feel I’m ready. The on-going issue at home now is that the incision didn’t heal properly and there is a one inch section that is still open and I need to dress it daily and let it heal from the inside out.  Yucchhhhh! That’s my story… —john.

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I’m a sometime poster and mostly lurker on the group but I’m posting this in the hope that someone anticipating surgery might want an overview and perhaps ask some questions… I’ve got a lot of time on my hands right now so I thought I’d write a little tome about my recent surgery and hospitalization.  Enjoy… Background: I’d been having some sharp pains just below and to the left of my navel. They were unlike Crohn’s pain in my experience (20+ years) and I saw a number of Dr’s trying to determine what was causing the pain without success.  My GI suggested a Small Bowel Series and that was done.  The Radiologist’s reading of the films was essentially the same as the prior one two years before:  at least two areas of strictured bowel and one area of *very* distended bowel (in fact the x-ray techs thought it was my colon).  My GI made the same statement he’d been making for over a year:  You can keep taking the 6-MP or go have surgery.  We didn’t think Remicade was an option because the Crohn’s itself wasn’t very active and most of my daily symptoms/complaints were more related to the strictures which were causing partial obstructions frequently.   Remicade is apparently ineffective against scar tissue (strictures). I decided to see my backup GI for another opinion.  I saw her on May 29th of this year.  After an incredibly looong wait in her waiting and examining rooms ( 3 hours) she said I was in urgent need of surgery and would schedule it right away.  She also mentioned the possibility that one of the strictured areas could possibly be cancerous. What a great prospect to think about over the long Memorial Day weekend holiday. Things moved very quickly.  I visited the hospital for a history and physical on tuesday the 29th.  On wednesday I had a brief meeting with the surgeon (whom I had seen previously, a year or so before), and thursday I entered the hospital at 9:00am for a scheduled 10:30am surgery. During the pre-surgical chat the anaesthesiologist mentioned using an epidural to control post-surgical pain.  Having never heard or discussed this I wimped out and said ‘no’.  Apparently I was to have been told about this at the history and physical meeting so I would have time to think about it and research it.  Maybe next time.  I was a little stressed out and couldn’t make a rational decision 15minutes prior to surgery. I awoke in the recovery room around 1:00pm in the worst pain imaginable. It seemed to take awhile before they pumped enough pain killers into me to make me comfortable.  They kept saying ‘rate your pain on a scale of 1 – 10′, I’d say ‘10′, and they’d say ‘are you sure?  we’ve given you a lot of pain killer already’ and then I’d say ‘10′ again.  This went on for a while but eventually things calmed down.  After a long wait in the recovery room because my room wasn’t ready I was wheeled out and up to my room. By this time I was becoming more aware of my condition.  Unlike 15 years ago when I had a similiar operation, this time I didn’t wake up with an NG tube.  This was a major source of joy!  On the downside I did have a Foley catheter which I hadn’t had before.  You’d think the nurses would be more careful moving that thing around… I spent the rest of thursday resting and chatting half-heartedly with my family and trying to figure out how to turn off the bed.  It had this ‘feature’ that was supposedly to prevent bed sores.  Everytime you moved it would adjust to equalize the pressure of all the points where you touched the bed.  So any time I moved there would be a ‘whir whir’ and the mattress would change.  This drove me nuts and the first night I got no sleep because of this (or at least that’s my belief). Subsequent nights were spend with the bed unplugged which meant that the head/feet up/down features were also disabled.  Later we figured how to turn off just the ‘auto adjust’ feature and all was much happier. The surgeon stopped by the next morning at 6:00am and explained that he had resected approximately 8 inches of small bowel and had performed a stricturoplasty at a second site.  He said everything went very well, minimal blood loss, no surprises, and the pathologist would have a report in about 5 days.  So I still didn’t know one way or the other about ‘cancer’. At about 7:30 the residents came by and checked me out.  I was in a teaching hospital after all.  On the third day they removed the tape and gauze covering my incision and I was greeted by the sight of a nice six inch row of staples exactly where my prior incision had been. I walked around the floor on the second day with my finger on the morphine button.  It got easier as the days passed. One change from 15 years ago was that when I was unhooked from my IV (for a shower or whatever) the nurse flushed the line going into my hand with saline.  Each time this was done the line clotted and I got a new IV stick.  Major bummer.  In the past Heparin was always used to flush lines that were not to be used for any period of time. The nurse claimed that research had proven that saline was just as good as Heparin for small lines like IVs.  I provided three (!!!) counter-examples… Aside from trying to be comfortable in a foreign place the most pressing need is to pass gas.  Until you pass gas there is no chance that you can be sent home.  I endured three days of the worst gas pains I had ever encountered.  Other than hot pads they had nothing to ease these pains.  The morphine wouldn’t touch it.  I finally succeded at 4:20am on June 7.  (That’s 7 days post-op).  They put me on the post-surgical diet (full-liquids) and things went o.k. and by evening I was eating turkey and mashed potatoes. The surgeon decided to discharge me on friday the 8th and the hospital stay was over.  I’m ‘totally disabled’ until June 30th and ‘partially disabled’ the month of July.  I can return to work when I feel I’m ready. The on-going issue at home now is that the incision didn’t heal properly and there is a one inch section that is still open and I need to dress it daily and let it heal from the inside out.  Yucchhhhh! That’s my story…                                                         —john.

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Or it could all mean a fistula between bladder and bowel. :)  mgbio

 That’s a very real possibility! I know of it first-hand, as that’s what I had happen to me back in 1995. Not a fun experience as I recall. Feel well. William – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not a moment too soon!  The vomiting blood could be from taking those medications without food or enough liquid. The blood in the urine could be again from not enough fluids. Uric acid in the urine when concentrated can turn into crystals which are sharp and can cut the insides of the urinary tract. All of these problems should resolve now that she’s getting the needed medical attention.  The recurring kidney infection should have thrown up a red flag for her doctor, especially with a history of Crohns. It’s possible that a small perforation in the bowel, probably in or near the stricture, is leaking fecal matter and causing the kidney infection.  Some of the aspects and conditions which arise from this disease are unique and are extremely difficult to diagnose. It’s not always black & white or by the book, but they should keep looking til they have some answers.  Yes, this is a good place to find answers and many here are happy to help because we know what it’s like. With a combined 1000’s of years of experience we know most all the in’s and out’s of these diseases. Without knowing all the particulars of your daughters case, it’s hard to determine what is the matter. We may have a clue or insights, but she really needs a good experienced G.I. doc to run the show there on your end. Here’s to a speedy recovery for your daughter. Feel well. William We got her admitted last night. She is on saline IV, anitbiotics and pain meds. She was vomiting blood, blood in her urine and from her bowel. They are still doing tests since the x-rays didn’t show anything. She looks much better, she’s talking, and her eyes have life back in them. We are still worried and I know it’s not over yet. I want to thank all of you for your replies. I just didn’t know who else to turn to. Very few people talk about crohns and there is so much to learn. Thank you again, Linda I think it is time for a second opinion for your daughter.  Talk to her about it.  Sometime a lot of us need to see more than on gi for opinions to get to the right dr for us.  UM MOM Susan My 22 year old daughter is in the middle of a relapse. She has been in the hospital 5 times in the last two weeks for pain and dehydration. All of them have been bad, but this one seems to be especially so. Mostly because she is taking Cipro for a kidney infection and cannot take steroidal meds as she usually does. She is in terrible pain and is living on pills for that but is unable to eat. The water that she does drink causes intense cramping. I’m so frightened for her. This one is not stopping and her doctor, who saw her this last Thursday, (this is Saturday), said she just needs to keep taking the Cipro and hydrocodone till the kidney infection is cleared up then start on the prednisone. She has barely eaten in two weeks and has lost 16 pounds. She has two small children and is unable to care for them. Between her husband, sister and myself, we have managed to keep her home in a decent order, but I am working a full time job and cannot be there as much as I’d like. Please..if anyone knows how to help her let me know.

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Hi, no it wasn’t a fistula. Parts of my bowels were actually fused to my womb and bladder. If I went for a wee, it was like an actual bowel movement. Luckily my womb is OK as I would like more children. When they operated they put layers of fat between my bowels  and bladder to help prevent it from happening again. I have always meant to ask where they got the fat from! Mel :-)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That sounds like a fistula, not a fusion. :)  mgbio Blood in her urine? My small bowel fused with my bladder and I started to have blood in my urine. It then progressed to diarrhoea in my urine. Don’t mean to scare you, but just a thought. Mel :-) We got her admitted last night. She is on saline IV, anitbiotics and pain meds. She was vomiting blood, blood in her urine and from her bowel. They are still doing tests since the x-rays didn’t show anything. She looks much better, she’s talking, and her eyes have life back in them. We are still worried and I know it’s not over yet. I want to thank all of you for your replies. I just didn’t know who else to turn to. Very few people talk about crohns and there is so much to learn. Thank you again, Linda I think it is time for a second opinion for your daughter.  Talk to her about it.  Sometime a lot of us need to see more than on gi for opinions to get to the right dr for us.  UM MOM Susan My 22 year old daughter is in the middle of a relapse. She has been in the hospital 5 times in the last two weeks for pain and dehydration. All of them have been bad, but this one seems to be especially so. Mostly because she is taking Cipro for a kidney infection and cannot take steroidal meds as she usually does. She is in terrible pain and is living on pills for that but is unable to eat. The water that she does drink causes intense cramping. I’m so frightened for her. This one is not stopping and her doctor, who saw her this last Thursday, (this is Saturday), said she just needs to keep taking the Cipro and hydrocodone till the kidney infection is cleared up then start on the prednisone. She has barely eaten in two weeks and has lost 16 pounds. She has two small children and is unable to care for them. Between her husband, sister and myself, we have managed to keep her home in a decent order, but I am working a full time job and cannot be there as much as I’d like. Please..if anyone knows how to help her let me know.

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Or it could all mean a fistula between bladder and bowel. :)  mgbio – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not a moment too soon!  The vomiting blood could be from taking those medications without food or enough liquid. The blood in the urine could be again from not enough fluids. Uric acid in the urine when concentrated can turn into crystals which are sharp and can cut the insides of the urinary tract. All of these problems should resolve now that she’s getting the needed medical attention.  The recurring kidney infection should have thrown up a red flag for her doctor, especially with a history of Crohns. It’s possible that a small perforation in the bowel, probably in or near the stricture, is leaking fecal matter and causing the kidney infection.  Some of the aspects and conditions which arise from this disease are unique and are extremely difficult to diagnose. It’s not always black & white or by the book, but they should keep looking til they have some answers.  Yes, this is a good place to find answers and many here are happy to help because we know what it’s like. With a combined 1000’s of years of experience we know most all the in’s and out’s of these diseases. Without knowing all the particulars of your daughters case, it’s hard to determine what is the matter. We may have a clue or insights, but she really needs a good experienced G.I. doc to run the show there on your end. Here’s to a speedy recovery for your daughter. Feel well. William We got her admitted last night. She is on saline IV, anitbiotics and pain meds. She was vomiting blood, blood in her urine and from her bowel. They are still doing tests since the x-rays didn’t show anything. She looks much better, she’s talking, and her eyes have life back in them. We are still worried and I know it’s not over yet. I want to thank all of you for your replies. I just didn’t know who else to turn to. Very few people talk about crohns and there is so much to learn. Thank you again, Linda I think it is time for a second opinion for your daughter.  Talk to her about it.  Sometime a lot of us need to see more than on gi for opinions to get to the right dr for us.  UM MOM Susan My 22 year old daughter is in the middle of a relapse. She has been in the hospital 5 times in the last two weeks for pain and dehydration. All of them have been bad, but this one seems to be especially so. Mostly because she is taking Cipro for a kidney infection and cannot take steroidal meds as she usually does. She is in terrible pain and is living on pills for that but is unable to eat. The water that she does drink causes intense cramping. I’m so frightened for her. This one is not stopping and her doctor, who saw her this last Thursday, (this is Saturday), said she just needs to keep taking the Cipro and hydrocodone till the kidney infection is cleared up then start on the prednisone. She has barely eaten in two weeks and has lost 16 pounds. She has two small children and is unable to care for them. Between her husband, sister and myself, we have managed to keep her home in a decent order, but I am working a full time job and cannot be there as much as I’d like. Please..if anyone knows how to help her let me know.

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That sounds like a fistula, not a fusion. :)  mgbio – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Blood in her urine? My small bowel fused with my bladder and I started to have blood in my urine. It then progressed to diarrhoea in my urine. Don’t mean to scare you, but just a thought. Mel :-) We got her admitted last night. She is on saline IV, anitbiotics and pain meds. She was vomiting blood, blood in her urine and from her bowel. They are still doing tests since the x-rays didn’t show anything. She looks much better, she’s talking, and her eyes have life back in them. We are still worried and I know it’s not over yet. I want to thank all of you for your replies. I just didn’t know who else to turn to. Very few people talk about crohns and there is so much to learn. Thank you again, Linda I think it is time for a second opinion for your daughter.  Talk to her about it.  Sometime a lot of us need to see more than on gi for opinions to get to the right dr for us.  UM MOM Susan My 22 year old daughter is in the middle of a relapse. She has been in the hospital 5 times in the last two weeks for pain and dehydration. All of them have been bad, but this one seems to be especially so. Mostly because she is taking Cipro for a kidney infection and cannot take steroidal meds as she usually does. She is in terrible pain and is living on pills for that but is unable to eat. The water that she does drink causes intense cramping. I’m so frightened for her. This one is not stopping and her doctor, who saw her this last Thursday, (this is Saturday), said she just needs to keep taking the Cipro and hydrocodone till the kidney infection is cleared up then start on the prednisone. She has barely eaten in two weeks and has lost 16 pounds. She has two small children and is unable to care for them. Between her husband, sister and myself, we have managed to keep her home in a decent order, but I am working a full time job and cannot be there as much as I’d like. Please..if anyone knows how to help her let me know.

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Not a moment too soon!  The vomiting blood could be from taking those medications without food or enough liquid. The blood in the urine could be again from not enough fluids. Uric acid in the urine when concentrated can turn into crystals which are sharp and can cut the insides of the urinary tract. All of these problems should resolve now that she’s getting the needed medical attention.  The recurring kidney infection should have thrown up a red flag for her doctor, especially with a history of Crohns. It’s possible that a small perforation in the bowel, probably in or near the stricture, is leaking fecal matter and causing the kidney infection.  Some of the aspects and conditions which arise from this disease are unique and are extremely difficult to diagnose. It’s not always black & white or by the book, but they should keep looking til they have some answers.  Yes, this is a good place to find answers and many here are happy to help because we know what it’s like. With a combined 1000’s of years of experience we know most all the in’s and out’s of these diseases. Without knowing all the particulars of your daughters case, it’s hard to determine what is the matter. We may have a clue or insights, but she really needs a good experienced G.I. doc to run the show there on your end. Here’s to a speedy recovery for your daughter. Feel well. William – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We got her admitted last night. She is on saline IV, anitbiotics and pain meds. She was vomiting blood, blood in her urine and from her bowel. They are still doing tests since the x-rays didn’t show anything. She looks much better, she’s talking, and her eyes have life back in them. We are still worried and I know it’s not over yet. I want to thank all of you for your replies. I just didn’t know who else to turn to. Very few people talk about crohns and there is so much to learn. Thank you again, Linda I think it is time for a second opinion for your daughter.  Talk to her about it.  Sometime a lot of us need to see more than on gi for opinions to get to the right dr for us.  UM MOM Susan My 22 year old daughter is in the middle of a relapse. She has been in the hospital 5 times in the last two weeks for pain and dehydration. All of them have been bad, but this one seems to be especially so. Mostly because she is taking Cipro for a kidney infection and cannot take steroidal meds as she usually does. She is in terrible pain and is living on pills for that but is unable to eat. The water that she does drink causes intense cramping. I’m so frightened for her. This one is not stopping and her doctor, who saw her this last Thursday, (this is Saturday), said she just needs to keep taking the Cipro and hydrocodone till the kidney infection is cleared up then start on the prednisone. She has barely eaten in two weeks and has lost 16 pounds. She has two small children and is unable to care for them. Between her husband, sister and myself, we have managed to keep her home in a decent order, but I am working a full time job and cannot be there as much as I’d like. Please..if anyone knows how to help her let me know.

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there isn’t a thing I would put outside the realm of possibilities. That sounds logicial. They would think UTI if e coli was getting through. I’ll definately bring it up. Thanks. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Blood in her urine? My small bowel fused with my bladder and I started to have blood in my urine. It then progressed to diarrhoea in my urine. Don’t mean to scare you, but just a thought. Mel :-) We got her admitted last night. She is on saline IV, anitbiotics and pain meds. She was vomiting blood, blood in her urine and from her bowel. They are still doing tests since the x-rays didn’t show anything. She looks much better, she’s talking, and her eyes have life back in them. We are still worried and I know it’s not over yet. I want to thank all of you for your replies. I just didn’t know who else to turn to. Very few people talk about crohns and there is so much to learn. Thank you again, Linda I think it is time for a second opinion for your daughter.  Talk to her about it.  Sometime a lot of us need to see more than on gi for opinions  to get to the right dr for us.  UM MOM Susan My 22 year old daughter is in the middle of a relapse. She has been in the hospital 5 times in the last two weeks for pain and dehydration. All of them have been bad, but this one seems to be especially so. Mostly because she is taking Cipro for a kidney infection and cannot take steroidal meds as she usually does. She is in terrible pain and is living on pills for that but is unable to eat. The water that she does drink causes intense cramping. I’m so frightened for her. This one is not stopping and her doctor, who saw her this last Thursday, (this is Saturday), said she just needs to keep taking the Cipro and hydrocodone till the kidney infection is cleared up then start on the prednisone. She has barely eaten in two weeks and has lost 16 pounds. She has two small children and is unable to care for them. Between her husband, sister and myself, we have managed to keep her home in a decent order, but I am working a full time job and cannot be there as much as I’d like. Please..if anyone knows how to help her let me know.

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Blood in her urine? My small bowel fused with my bladder and I started to have blood in my urine. It then progressed to diarrhoea in my urine. Don’t mean to scare you, but just a thought. Mel :-)

We got her admitted last night. She is on saline IV, anitbiotics and pain meds. She was vomiting blood, blood in her urine and from her bowel. They are still doing tests since the x-rays didn’t show anything. She looks much better, she’s talking, and her eyes have life back in them. We are still worried and I know it’s not over yet. I want to thank all of you for your replies. I just didn’t know who else to turn to. Very few people talk about crohns and there is so much to learn. Thank you again, Linda

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think it is time for a second opinion for your daughter.  Talk to her about it.  Sometime a lot of us need to see more than on gi for opinions to get to the right dr for us.  UM MOM Susan My 22 year old daughter is in the middle of a relapse. She has been in the hospital 5 times in the last two weeks for pain and dehydration. All of them have been bad, but this one seems to be especially so. Mostly because she is taking Cipro for a kidney infection and cannot take steroidal meds as she usually does. She is in terrible pain and is living on pills for that but is unable to eat. The water that she does drink causes intense cramping. I’m so frightened for her. This one is not stopping and her doctor, who saw her this last Thursday, (this is Saturday), said she just needs to keep taking the Cipro and hydrocodone till the kidney infection is cleared up then start on the prednisone. She has barely eaten in two weeks and has lost 16 pounds. She has two small children and is unable to care for them. Between her husband, sister and myself, we have managed to keep her home in a decent order, but I am working a full time job and cannot be there as much as I’d like. Please..if anyone knows how to help her let me know.

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We got her admitted last night. She is on saline IV, anitbiotics and pain meds. She was vomiting blood, blood in her urine and from her bowel. They are still doing tests since the x-rays didn’t show anything. She looks much better, she’s talking, and her eyes have life back in them. We are still worried and I know it’s not over yet. I want to thank all of you for your replies. I just didn’t know who else to turn to. Very few people talk about crohns and there is so much to learn. Thank you again, Linda – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think it is time for a second opinion for your daughter.  Talk to her about it.  Sometime a lot of us need to see more than on gi for opinions to get to the right dr for us.  UM MOM Susan My 22 year old daughter is in the middle of a relapse. She has been in the hospital 5 times in the last two weeks for pain and dehydration. All of them have been bad, but this one seems to be especially so. Mostly because she is taking Cipro for a kidney infection and cannot take steroidal meds as she usually does. She is in terrible pain and is living on pills for that but is unable to eat. The water that she does drink causes intense cramping. I’m so frightened for her. This one is not stopping and her doctor, who saw her this last Thursday, (this is Saturday), said she just needs to keep taking the Cipro and hydrocodone till the kidney infection is cleared up then start on the prednisone. She has barely eaten in two weeks and has lost 16 pounds. She has two small children and is unable to care for them. Between her husband, sister and myself, we have managed to keep her home in a decent order, but I am working a full time job and cannot be there as much as I’d like. Please..if anyone knows how to help her let me know.

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I think it is time for a second opinion for your daughter.  Talk to her about it.  Sometime a lot of us need to see more than on gi for opinions to get to the right dr for us.  UM MOM Susan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My 22 year old daughter is in the middle of a relapse. She has been in the hospital 5 times in the last two weeks for pain and dehydration. All of them have been bad, but this one seems to be especially so. Mostly because she is taking Cipro for a kidney infection and cannot take steroidal meds as she usually does. She is in terrible pain and is living on pills for that but is unable to eat. The water that she does drink causes intense cramping. I’m so frightened for her. This one is not stopping and her doctor, who saw her this last Thursday, (this is Saturday), said she just needs to keep taking the Cipro and hydrocodone till the kidney infection is cleared up then start on the prednisone. She has barely eaten in two weeks and has lost 16 pounds. She has two small children and is unable to care for them. Between her husband, sister and myself, we have managed to keep her home in a decent order, but I am working a full time job and cannot be there as much as I’d like. Please..if anyone knows how to help her let me know.

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The kidney infection along with the cd is a bad situation and I totally understand why you are scared out of your wits.  You need to find her a second opinion ASAP.  They need to do what William said as I have been there too and I have one resection behind me now and active cd now on the other side which they though was a bladder infection.  My drs did the tests and finally it showed itself.  So you really need another opinion here.  Just my opinion.  UM MOM Susan

Thank you… She goes on steriods for quite a long time when the episode is bad, then she is tapered off of them. I didn’t want to believe that they would send her home. Each time she was in the ER I was with her, trying to get them to keep her. It’s like she’s falling through the cracks with an advocate. It’s just insane the way she is passed along, clucked over and told to go home. I’m so scared, I’m so scared, I’m so scared.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi sorry about your daughter.  I don’t understand why your daughter is home. Why on earth with IBD, a kidney infection and inability to eat and the pain it seems ludicrous that she is at her home.  She should be in the hospital where she is on liquid everything through the veins, from food to medications.  How long was she on steroids for any length of time and was it recently?  I feel bad that she is suffering so.  I wouldn’t wait and I would take her right back to the er.  I hope she improves soon.  UM MOM Susan My 22 year old daughter is in the middle of a relapse. She has been in the hospital 5 times in the last two weeks for pain and dehydration. All of them have been bad, but this one seems to be especially so. Mostly because she is taking Cipro for a kidney infection and cannot take steroidal meds as she usually does. She is in terrible pain and is living on pills for that but is unable to eat. The water that she does drink causes intense cramping. I’m so frightened for her. This one is not stopping and her doctor, who saw her this last Thursday, (this is Saturday), said she just needs to keep taking the Cipro and hydrocodone till the kidney infection is cleared up then start on the prednisone. She has barely eaten in two weeks and has lost 16 pounds. She has two small children and is unable to care for them. Between her husband, sister and myself, we have managed to keep her home in a decent order, but I am working a full time job and cannot be there as much as I’d like. Please..if anyone knows how to help her let me know.

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Sorry, this is very long but it is one of the studies showing efficacy of antibiotic treatment for IBD and also has some very positive things to say about probiotics and how they may work. I pasted the entire PDF file here and for some reason there are some errors when converting to text. Any place where the letters f and l appear together it got translated as some strange control like character. I did a find/replace but in some cases there is a space left over after the letters fl  so you’ll have to interpret that. I know your daughter is taking the Cipro for the Kidney infection but also it is often used for IBD as well. But many people know that antibiotics alone can actually make IBD symptoms worse. Anway, here’s the article, I’m not going to make any more comments on it or the contents. Take Care, Jeff 2 The Bacterial Flora in Inflammatory Bowel Disease: Current Insights in Pathogenesis and the Infl uence of Antibiotics and Probiotics R. K. Linskens, X. W. Huijsdens, P. H. M. Savelkoul, C. M. J. E. Vandenbroucke-Grauls & S. G. M. Meuwissen Depts. of Gastroenterology and Medical Microbiology, Academic Hospital Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam, The Netherlands Linskens RK, Huijsdens XW, Savelkoul PHM, Vandenbroucke-Grauls CMJE, Meuwissen SGM. The bacterial flora in inflammatory bowel disease: current insights in pathogenesis and the influence of antibiotics and probiotics. Scand J Gastroenterol 2001;36 Suppl 234:29-40. The pathogenesis of infl ammatory bowel disease (IBD) remains unknown, although in recent years more data have become available. The contribution of genetic and environmental factors is evident, and the luminal bacterial fl ora plays a major role in the initiation and perpetuation of chronic IBD. Animal models of IBD have shown that colitis does not occur in a germ-free environment. In human IBD, infl ammation is present in parts of the gut containing the highest bacterial concentrations. Moreover, the terminal ileum, caecum and rectum are areas of relative stasis, providing prolonged mucosal contact with luminal contents. Enhanced mucosal permeability may play a pivotal role in maintaining a chronic infl ammatory state, due to a genetic predisposition or as a result of direct contact with bacteria or their products. A defective epithelial barrier may cause a loss of tolerance to the normal enteric fl ora. Furthermore, an increased mucosal absorption of viable bacteria and bacterial products is found in IBD. Serum and secreted antibodies are increased and mucosal T-lymphocytes that recognize luminal bacteria are present. However, there is evidence that the immune system reacts over aggressively towards the normal luminal fl ora rather than the fl ora being altered in IBD. Several approaches have been used in attempts to discover a speci. c microbial agent in the cause of IBD. These include demonstration of the presence of organisms or speci. c antigens in affected tissues, culture of microbes from the affected tissues, demonstration of serological responses to several agents, and localization and detection of individual pathogen-speci. c nucleic acid sequences in affected tissue by in situ hybridization and polymerase chain reaction. So far, no speci. c micro-organism has been directly associated with the pathogenesis of IBD. Analysis of the luminal enteric fl ora, however, has revealed differences in the composition of this fl ora compared to healthy controls. In Crohn disease, concentrations of Bacteroides, Eubacteria and Peptostreptococcus are increased, whereas Bi. dobacteria numbers are signi. cantly reduced. Furthermore, in ulcerative colitis, concentrations of facultative anaerobic bacteria are increased. The arrival of new molecular techniques qualifying and quantifying the complex intestinal fl ora has induced a revival of interest in this microfl ora. Therapeutic approaches geared towards changing the environment at the mucosal border have been attempted by the use of elemental diets, total parenteral nutrition, surgical diversion of the faecal stream and antibiotics. Over the past few years, the use of probiotics in IBD and other intestinal disorders has gained attention. Strengthened by promising experimental data and commercial interests, research in this . eld is rapidly expanding. Manipulation of the colonic bacteria with antibiotic drugs and probiotic agents may prove to be more effective and better tolerated than immunosuppressants in the future. Key words: Antibiotics; bacterial fl ora; IBD; molecular techniques; pathogenesis; probiotics R. K. Linskens, M.D., Dept. of Gastroenterology, Vrije Universiteit Medical Centre, De Boelelaan 1117, 1057 HV Amsterdam, The Netherlands (fax. +3120 4440 554, e-mail. The aetiology of infl ammatory bowel diseases (IBD), which comprises ulcerative colitis (UC) and Crohn disease (CD), is not yet known. Several studies, however, point to genetic factors predisposing to these diseases. Furthermore, the microbial fl ora of the bowel seems of major importance in the development of IBD, in recurrence of the disease and in the occurrence of complications, although the exact role of this microfl ora has not yet been elucidated. The chronic and recurrent infl ammation that is characteristic of IBD may be caused by ineffective clearance of a conventional enteric pathogen by the host, infection by an unusual intracellular or slowly replicating micro-organism, or induction of an abnormal host immune response by a transient infection. Several decades ago, a variety of microbial agents were proposed as the aetiologic agent for IBD, partly prompted by the similarity of the features of IBD with classic infectious enteritis. The colon and distal small intestine, the parts of the gastrointestinal tract that are most commonly REVIEW

Abdominal Pain…

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Hi. I don’t know the answers to your question about adhesions, but I do know that in my 11 years of having CD, it doesn’t feel the same each time I have trouble. Good luck and take care, Vanessa – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Folks…         Having some new pain here, just to the left and below my belly button.  This is a sharp tearing pain that is intermittant.  If I poke and prod enough I can feel it, I’ve woken up during the night in pain and rolling over exascerbates(sp?) it.  Can’t really nail it down to Crohn’s pain since I’ve never experienced anything quite like it before (and I’ve experienced a lot in the 20 years I’ve had Crohn’s).  Been to the doc, no fever, no vomiting, no urinary infection, no (apparent) hernia.  No real change in bms.  Nothing untoward showed up in the ultrasound.  So we’re perplexed.         What are the symptoms of an adhesion?  I had a small bowel resection some 15 years ago.         So far GI doc has suggested maybe a small bowel follow through with barium and the surgeon said he’d open me up and take a look around.  Neither sound to good at this point.         What else should I/they be looking for?                                                         —john.

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hi if you raise both your legs and push down on that spot does it hurt more. Heather – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Folks…         Having some new pain here, just to the left and below my belly button.  This is a sharp tearing pain that is intermittant.  If I poke and prod enough I can feel it, I’ve woken up during the night in pain and rolling over exascerbates(sp?) it.  Can’t really nail it down to Crohn’s pain since I’ve never experienced anything quite like it before (and I’ve experienced a lot in the 20 years I’ve had Crohn’s).  Been to the doc, no fever, no vomiting, no urinary infection, no (apparent) hernia.  No real change in bms.  Nothing untoward showed up in the ultrasound.  So we’re perplexed.         What are the symptoms of an adhesion?  I had a small bowel resection some 15 years ago.         So far GI doc has suggested maybe a small bowel follow through with barium and the surgeon said he’d open me up and take a look around.  Neither sound to good at this point.         What else should I/they be looking for?                                                         —john.

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Hi Folks…         Having some new pain here, just to the left and below my belly button.  This is a sharp tearing pain that is intermittant.  If I poke and prod enough I can feel it, I’ve woken up during the night in pain and rolling over exascerbates(sp?) it.  Can’t really nail it down to Crohn’s pain since I’ve never experienced anything quite like it before (and I’ve experienced a lot in the 20 years I’ve had Crohn’s).  Been to the doc, no fever, no vomiting, no urinary infection, no (apparent) hernia.  No real change in bms.  Nothing untoward showed up in the ultrasound.  So we’re perplexed.           What are the symptoms of an adhesion?  I had a small bowel resection some 15 years ago.         So far GI doc has suggested maybe a small bowel follow through with barium and the surgeon said he’d open me up and take a look around.  Neither sound to good at this point.           What else should I/they be looking for?                                                         —john.

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Needing advice/support re: Crohn's

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Just wait until you hit your early 40s … and then you have days when you feel real old (especcially when you introduce your grandbabies to everyone !!)

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drink 2-4 0z of aloe vera juice a day for 14 days, thein increase your intake of alkaline and opc’s, for info on aloe vera and alkaline/opc therapy go to the site below "http://www.altern-methods.com/"

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Hello,   I hear what you are saying when you feel like an old woman even though you are in your thirties.  I am 35 and some days I feel so old and achy. I trust CCFA to give me the latest and most reliable information about this disease.  They have support groups too.-Lee   CD class of 1978

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Hi, take a look at Dr. Shafran’s site. http://www.shafran.net/ he has been using anti-biotics to treat Crohn’s and has had a pretty good success rate. I am just begining the treatment and am hoping for the best. I found Dr. Shafran to be very open, he has placed all his research and treatment protocals on the site. Worth a look. Feel Better Mike Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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there is also an excellent book called "Listen to your Gut" by Jini Patel Thompson & published by caramal publishing in Vancouver – & I blve available thru amazon, which provides further info to " breaking the vicious cycle" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Heidi,

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Thanks to both of you … I will be checking into the information you gave me. Heidi

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Heidi, There is a diet called the Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCD) that many people have had success with. I have been following it for over 2 years now for UC (pancolitis), and have been feeling extremely well, better than I have in many years. The diet is *not* a low carb diet, although you can follow a low carb version of it if you wish, if weight loss is one of your goals. Basically, the diet eliminates table sugar, lactose, starches, grains as the theory is that a damaged gut is unable to properly digest them and since they remain undigested, they are fermented by bacteria in the gut which then overgrow and cause further damage – a vicious cycle. In order to get a good understanding of the diet you would need to read "Breaking the Vicious Cycle: Intestinal Health Through Diet", by Elaine Gottschall. The book is available in most public libraries, book stores, and through www.amazon.com . Also, there are about 350 of us SCDers who are subscribed to an email list where we support each other, exchange recipes, and answer the question of newcomers. You can read a bit more about the diet, at www.scdiet.org and you can subscribe to the SCD list from there too, if you like. If you subscribe I encourage you to post an introduction and then bombard the list with any questions that you have. Many of us there would be only too happy to help in any way we can. Also, feel free to email me with your questions, if you would rather. Best wishes to you, Janice – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Dear Janice ~  I definitely would be interested … any advice is helpful at this point. Thanks!  Heidi

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Howdy Heidi I’m another person with Crohn’s who has had excellent results with supplementation. Been med free for over 5 years now and feeling fantastic. I already knew when they told me I needed surgery that chances were good I would need surgery roughly every 5 years.I never did get that surgery! and my stricture improved, it did not worsen.It has not bothered me at all in the last 5 years.It’s just like William says…if you feed your body the food it will start working properly.I take basically the recommendations of Dr. Raystrand (author of Bionutrition) for my crohn’s disease. He has a website a www.raystrand.com Ken.W

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Heidi, and welcome to the group.  I can definitely relate to what you are going through. In Mar 95′ I too had surgery on my diseased terminal ileum which was also complicated by an abscess with a fistula through to my bladder. They had a special that day and also took nearly half of my sigmoid which had also been affected by the abscess. They also threw in a 3 month resting ileostomy.   Unfortunately, as others have already made mention that surgery is not a cure. In fact, approximately 90% of those who have surgery for CD require another surgery within 5 years. Well just under 4 years later in Feb 99′ I required another surgery for the again diseased and extremely narrow terminal ileum. The worst part is that I didn’t experience much relief.It was difficult to determine where the surgical pans ended and the Crohn’s pain started up again. By the end of the same year (95) a CT scan showed marked narrowing and I was back on prednisone as well as the max. dose of Pentasa (16 caps a day). But the CD marched steadily on.   Realizing that I could expect more of the same if I stayed the course, I decided to try a different approach after my last surgery in Feb. 99′. Instead of resuming the usual maintenance meds (which weren’t very effective any more), I began a regimen of nutritional supplements. Much to my delight the routine blood-work 6 months later came back totally normal, with everything in range. The first time since I was diagnosed in 1989. The following month a colonoscopy brought more good news. Looked perfect, unremarkable, normal, and showed no sign of disease were some of the things said by my GI. My recent blood-work done in May of this year is just as excellent. I have had no symptoms of CD, I eat whatever I like, and feel genuinely well.   Just a fluke? If some one had told me 2 years ago that I could be well again I don’t think I would have believed it. Turns out I’m not the only one to have great success with supplements. In the last 7 months I’ve come across at least 10 posters to this ng. with similar success stories. Some follow diets or restrict certain foods in conjunction with the supplements. I don’t believe any two of us use the exact same products or brands. I know of one individual here who has sustained a med-free remission with the use of supplements for more than 5 years now.   How or why does this work? I don’t know for certain. But the understanding that I’ve come to is that the body isn’t functioning correctly because it doesn’t have the raw materials that are needed to do so. I take; – a good quality complete multi-vitamin daily. (not drug store types, they’re too minimal) –  72 colloidal trace minerals  3 x daily (a must, vital for good health and to almost every function in the body) –  Vitamin C  1  - 1000mg. capsule, 4  x daily (capsules not tablets, better if with bio-flavinoids, rose hips, Acerola or rutin) I recently added a vitamin E softgel with the omega fatty acids to my daily intake.   I can’t think of anything which will run right or work correctly when it’s missing some components. Our bodies are no different.   I hope that you feel better real soon Heidi. I would be glad to help if you have any questions. You can get well. William CD Class of 89-99′

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Dear Janice ~   I definitely would be interested … any advice is helpful at this point. Thanks!  Heidi

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Hello Heidi, and welcome to the group.  I can definitely relate to what you are going through. In Mar 95′ I too had surgery on my diseased terminal ileum which was also complicated by an abscess with a fistula through to my bladder. They had a special that day and also took nearly half of my sigmoid which had also been affected by the abscess. They also threw in a 3 month resting ileostomy.   Unfortunately, as others have already made mention that surgery is not a cure. In fact, approximately 90% of those who have surgery for CD require another surgery within 5 years. Well just under 4 years later in Feb 99′ I required another surgery for the again diseased and extremely narrow terminal ileum. The worst part is that I didn’t experience much relief.It was difficult to determine where the surgical pans ended and the Crohn’s pain started up again. By the end of the same year (95) a CT scan showed marked narrowing and I was back on prednisone as well as the max. dose of Pentasa (16 caps a day). But the CD marched steadily on.   Realizing that I could expect more of the same if I stayed the course, I decided to try a different approach after my last surgery in Feb. 99′. Instead of resuming the usual maintenance meds (which weren’t very effective any more), I began a regimen of nutritional supplements. Much to my delight the routine blood-work 6 months later came back totally normal, with everything in range. The first time since I was diagnosed in 1989. The following month a colonoscopy brought more good news. Looked perfect, unremarkable, normal, and showed no sign of disease were some of the things said by my GI. My recent blood-work done in May of this year is just as excellent. I have had no symptoms of CD, I eat whatever I like, and feel genuinely well.   Just a fluke? If some one had told me 2 years ago that I could be well again I don’t think I would have believed it. Turns out I’m not the only one to have great success with supplements. In the last 7 months I’ve come across at least 10 posters to this ng. with similar success stories. Some follow diets or restrict certain foods in conjunction with the supplements. I don’t believe any two of us use the exact same products or brands. I know of one individual here who has sustained a med-free remission with the use of supplements for more than 5 years now.   How or why does this work? I don’t know for certain. But the understanding that I’ve come to is that the body isn’t functioning correctly because it doesn’t have the raw materials that are needed to do so. I take; – a good quality complete multi-vitamin daily. (not drug store types, they’re too minimal) –  72 colloidal trace minerals  3 x daily (a must, vital for good health and to almost every function in the body) –  Vitamin C  1  - 1000mg. capsule, 4  x daily (capsules not tablets, better if with bio-flavinoids, rose hips, Acerola or rutin) I recently added a vitamin E softgel with the omega fatty acids to my daily intake.   I can’t think of anything which will run right or work correctly when it’s missing some components. Our bodies are no different.   I hope that you feel better real soon Heidi. I would be glad to help if you have any questions. You can get well. William CD Class of 89-99′

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Welcome Heidi, Would you be interested in hearing about a dietary treatment for crohn’s that many people have found very effective? Janice – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I am fatigued all of the time.  My joints ache.  The medicines don’t appear to be doing a thing!  Does anyone have any insights?  Any opinions on what direction I should be going in regards to medications?  Anything?  I would greatly appreciate hearing from you … the people who understand what I am going through. Thanks for listening! Heidi

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Heidi, I’m sorry to hear you’re having a rough time of it.  The weight gain is most likely due to the pred.  As for the tired you must remember that your body is constantly fighting the disease.  The type of energy needed to keep up this attack will cause you to be more fatigued at times.   I hope you feel better soon! :)  mgbio CD Class of ‘99 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All ~   This is my first post to the group.  I’m Heidi, I was diagnosed with Crohn’s in 1992 even though I know I had it for about 8 years prior to diagnosis.  I was only on Prednisone twice prior to my last major attack so I have been lucky.  Within the past six months I have had surgery to repair my bladder and a resection (8") due to a fistula.  My wound became infected so I had open packing.  I was out of work from the end of January until mid-April. Unfortunately, the resection did not help my Crohn’s problem and the diarrhea has gotten worse.  The Dr’s stopped 6MP while I was in the hospital and I have only been on Asacol (3 tabs twice daily) and Prednisone which they’ve been weaning me off of.  (I am also on Folic Acid daily, B12 injections monthly, and Prozac 20 mg). I am fatigued all of the time.  My joints ache.  The medicines don’t appear to be doing a thing!  I have stopped the Prednisone all together and seem to be a bit better in the diarrhea dept.  But … I feel like I should be "my old self" or someone close to it.  But I am not.   I’m tired … of having this d*mn disease … of feeling like I am an old woman in a 33 year old body.  I have also gained a significant amount of weight in 18 months (40+ pounds) even though I am in a flare up.  Does anyone have any insights?  Any opinions on what direction I should be going in regards to medications?  Anything?  I would greatly appreciate hearing from you … the people who understand what I am going through. Thanks for listening! Heidi

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Heidi: You sound like the way I felt after battling Crohn’s Disease for about the same length of time. As another person who replied to your message wrote, surgery is not a cure for Crohn’s Disease, but it sure has given me more than two wonderful years since I had an ileostomy done. There are some other things worth trying first: Remicaide, Imuran or even Thalidomide (if you don’t plan to have children), but if they don’t work, consider the option of surgery, which in the case of someone with Crohn’s disease is invariably an ileostomy. The idea of surgery is scary, and an ileostomy or colostomy is not exactly minor surgery. For me, though, I had battled Crohn’s Disease for more than six years, with flareups (that included one hospitalization) followed by periods of remission. Eventually, I got tired of battling the flareups. I got tired of the prednisone and other drugs. I got tired of the joint aches, iritis, fistulas and all of the other wonderful side effects that accompany Crohn’s Disease. I got tired of feeling tired. But what eventually sold me on surgery was that my GI convinced me that I was playing Russian Roulette with colon cancer. I took my doctor’s advice and had an ileostomy. That was about two years ago. I have no regrets. Worrying about the operation is the hardest part. Having it is the easiest, because you are given sedatives and knocked out. Afterwards, plan on about a week’s stay in the hospital. You will be given pain medications that will mitigate the pain considerably, but it will still hurt to get up, to walk, to sit down and to cough. You will probably have a substantial scar on your abdomen. It is usually closed by staples that will be removed in a few weeks. Plan on being fairly inactive for about a month after the surgery. Almost immediately, though, you will feel the wonderful sense of your disease being gone. But it will take you several months to fully get your strength back and for your body to adjust to not having a colon. I had some post-surgical complications involving prednisone and pyoderma that most people never experience. That slowed my recovery by a coule of months.. But I cannot tell you how much better I feel. No more prednisone. No more bloody stools. No more pain and arthritis. No more eye infections. No more bloating. I can eat what I want to eat. I have lost a lot of weight ( that I needed to lose) and I feel much healthier. I feel like a normal person again. I have learned how to change and manage my ostomy appliance. It now takes 5-10 minutes once a week to change and a few minutes to empty every three hours or so. I rarely have a leak, and I doubt that most people are aware I even have an ostomy appliance. I go swimming now and then, and, because I feel so much better, I am more active than I ever was before. I was lucky in having an understanding wife. She has been supportive throughout and helps me with my appliance change (an extra pair of hands is very useful), giving new meaning to the term intimacy. Sex is a question often asked by people facing ostomy surgery. Well, surgery hasn’t changed much in that area except for the fact that because I feel better, I feel more like doing it. I don’t know what else to say. I can understand your concerns. Surgery is a scary proposition. This one also deals with body image and self esteem. My only regret — a regret shared by most ostomates I have encountered — is that I didn’t have it done a lot sooner. Yes, I am aware that I could have a flareup anywhere on up my disgestive tract, but even if that happened I would still have no regrets. And, it would be easier to deal with than a flareup throughout my colon and rectum. And, I figure I’m buying time while new medical breakthroughs are being developed. I’m not saying surgery is the answer for you. But it certainly is an option worth considering. If there are any other questions I can address, please let me know. The best to you.

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 Does anyone have any insights?  Any opinions on what direction I should be going in regards to medications?  Anything?  I would greatly appreciate hearing from you … the people who understand what I am going through.

Dear Heidi,   First of all, welcome.  I am so sorry you have to be here, but since you do, I’m glad you found us.  In here, you can vent, laugh, cry, learn, ask questions, all without feeling odd because each of us here has been through almost everything at one time or another and we understand how you feel.  Feel free to ask any questions you may have.  You will always find someone with answers or a direction for you to follow to find the answers.  As far as your weight gain, most of that is probably due to the Prednisone.  Also, some of your medications, (I don’t know what you are taking) can add to that fatigued feeling.  You have to remember that your body has been through a trauma of surgery.  It takes time for the body to heal.  Unfortunately, this can also cause some depression, in some people.  There are medications that the doctor can give you to make you feel a bit better.  Just let him/her know how you are feeling regarding the fatigue and that feeling of being "sick and tired of being sick and tired!!!"  Believe me, I know how you feel.  But do try to follow the doctors’ advice.  I know it can be difficult, but believe it or not, assuming you have faith in your doc, following his/her instructions will help you to feel better faster.  But you can’t expect a miracle cure. Unfortunately, with CD, surgery is not a cure,it is only a treatment.  There is no cure for CD.  All the docs can do is to try to treat the symptoms as you get them.  That is why it is so important to have a good relationship with your doc and have a lot of trust in him/her.  I know this hasn’t been of much help.  If you have more questions, please be sure to post them.  I know you will get answers from people much brighter than I am.  Again, welcome.  I hope you will be feeling better soon.  If you would like, you could email me anytime.  I sometimes take a day or two to answer my mail, but I do always answer it.  Try not to let this danged disease get you down.  By the way, I love your name!  I don’t know how old you are, but my favorite movie has always been "Heidi" with Shirley Temple.  Just thought I’d toss that in.  But I do think Heidi is a beautiful name.  Be well, Heidi. Love,   Margie CD Class of 67 UC Class of 96

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hi-ask for remicade(infusion usually in a hospital–very expensive but most ins. covers it) and induran–tell your doc that you need help now–act desperate–you are desperate!!   mel

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All ~  This is my first post to the group.  I’m Heidi, I was diagnosed with Crohn’s in 1992 even though I know I had it for about 8 years prior to diagnosis.  I was only on Prednisone twice prior to my last major attack so I have been lucky.  Within the past six months I have had surgery to repair my bladder and a resection (8") due to a fistula.  My wound became infected so I had open packing.  I was out of work from the end of January until mid-April. Unfortunately, the resection did not help my Crohn’s problem and the diarrhea has gotten worse.  The Dr’s stopped 6MP while I was in the hospital and I have only been on Asacol (3 tabs twice daily) and Prednisone which they’ve been weaning me off of.  (I am also on Folic Acid daily, B12 injections monthly, and Prozac 20 mg).   I am fatigued all of the time.  My joints ache.  The medicines don’t appear to be doing a thing!  I have stopped the Prednisone all together and seem to be a bit better in the diarrhea dept.  But … I feel like I should be "my old self" or someone close to it.  But I am not.   I’m tired … of having this d*mn disease … of feeling like I am an old woman in a 33 year old body.  I have also gained a significant amount of weight in 18 months (40+ pounds) even though I am in a flare up.  Does anyone have any insights?  Any opinions on what direction I should be going in regards to medications?  Anything?  I would greatly appreciate hearing from you … the people who understand what I am going through. Thanks for listening!   Heidi

*I* know Heidi ~  the leukemia that I was diagnosed with shortly after the UC and a whole lot of common symptoms are nothing compared to the effects os chemo! : ( Peace John Kenney Boston  MA   USA

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Hi All ~   This is my first post to the group.  I’m Heidi, I was diagnosed with Crohn’s in 1992 even though I know I had it for about 8 years prior to diagnosis.  I was only on Prednisone twice prior to my last major attack so I have been lucky.  Within the past six months I have had surgery to repair my bladder and a resection (8") due to a fistula.  My wound became infected so I had open packing.  I was out of work from the end of January until mid-April. Unfortunately, the resection did not help my Crohn’s problem and the diarrhea has gotten worse.  The Dr’s stopped 6MP while I was in the hospital and I have only been on Asacol (3 tabs twice daily) and Prednisone which they’ve been weaning me off of.  (I am also on Folic Acid daily, B12 injections monthly, and Prozac 20 mg).   I am fatigued all of the time.  My joints ache.  The medicines don’t appear to be doing a thing!  I have stopped the Prednisone all together and seem to be a bit better in the diarrhea dept.  But … I feel like I should be "my old self" or someone close to it.  But I am not.   I’m tired … of having this d*mn disease … of feeling like I am an old woman in a 33 year old body.  I have also gained a significant amount of weight in 18 months (40+ pounds) even though I am in a flare up.  Does anyone have any insights?  Any opinions on what direction I should be going in regards to medications?  Anything?  I would greatly appreciate hearing from you … the people who understand what I am going through. Thanks for listening!   Heidi

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Heidi I want to officially Welcome you to our Family … I know that you will get plenty of helpful info here … plus a great crowd to listen when you just need to vent … and they are also great to celebrate good news with … Stick with us … Participate … and soon you will be as addicted as ALL of us are Maryjo p.s. … don’t mind the trolls that somehow manage to invade our newsgroup … and I definitly understand the joint pain !! Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Hi Heidi, I am sorry to hear that you are having such a rough go of it, and that the meds arn’t working for you. I do need to ask, how much Pred were you on before you stopped taking it altogether, because it shouldn’t be stopped suddenly, as that can be very dangerous and weaning off of it too quickly can cause symptoms to come back and sometimes worse than before. If your doctor knows that you arn’t taking it any more, then ignore that last bit as he or she would know how to get you off of it safely.     Sry..I skipped introducing myself..I have CD also, diagnosed in ‘88, and besides pred., none of the drugs have done me much good either. I am not currently on any perscription meds, I take a multi-vitamin and extra folic acid, C, B-12, and E, and have had to adjust my diet a lot as I find out which things give me the most problems. What different people with CD can eat or not eat seems to vary widely, my body seems to like lots of protien and minimal veggies. There are lots of great people on this ng, and I am sure you will get lost of ideas on diet, nutrition, exercise, drugs, herbs, and more.      I know what you mean about feeling too young for your body that won’t cooperate with you, hang in there as remission of the disease does happen. I know it is frustrating when there are so many different things that work for some people and not for others. Welcom to the ng, please pull up a keyboard and make yourself at home Cliff Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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I was diagnosed with UC while in the hospital for emergency gall bladder removal.  Stone got stuck in my swollen colon…..didn’t know I was a poet, huh? Staci

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I have heard that it is very common for IBD sufferers to have had gall bladder problems.  I had the same horrible pain and ended up having mine removed about two years before being dx with Crohn’s, Andrea Crohn’s 98′

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Staci You sound like a pistol ….. I can’t wait to meet you !!! Maryjo

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I ’bout died before they figured out that my gall bladder was the problem – and they found out by accident!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone else find it odd that a large number of people suffering from CD or UC have had chest pain and had either their appendix or gallbladder removed? I am going through this exact same situation now and posted something on it last week. I have been to the emergency room with extreme chest pain (my gallbladder) about 4 times over the last week. I have had an ultrasound and they have confirmed that my gallbladder needs to be removed, now I just have to wait until they can schedule the surgery. Yeah! :) Anyway, sorry I can’t be of much help, but I thought I would relate to the exact same situation. Good luck, and let us know if having your gallbladder removed cleared up the entire situation. Jeff — Jeff Downie If you have that pain and it shows up after eating fatty foods, what can be done about it?  It is an ache.  It first started  month ago with a severe pain just under the sternum.  Now it is a dull ache just after eating at times.  I guess I am asking at what point do you get the gall bladder removed?  If it is a stone, does it pass like a kidney stone? thanks. Hi Donna, I had the same pain on my right rib cage towards the back.  It was Gallstones. It might pay to visit the doctor. Alison Before you buy.

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If you have that pain and it shows up after eating fatty foods, what can be done about it? I guess I am asking at what point do you get the gall bladder removed?  If it is a stone, does it pass like a kidney stone? thanks.

It probably is gall stones and no, they do not "pass" the way kidney stones do.  In fact, you have to hope one doesn’t get stuck in the passage (can’t think of the name of it off-hand).  What you probably need to do is have your gallbladder removed.  What you really should do as soon as you can is see your doctor and ask him/her!  It really is not a "serious" condition, but it can become one.  Try not to put it off for too long.  Best of luck. Love,   Margie CD Class of 67 UC Class of 96

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I agree with Margie.  Don’t wait to long to get it checked out.  I did and my gallbladder was all infected.  And it hurt like heck!!! Take Care, Sherry    (CD Class of ‘91)

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Does anyone else find it odd that a large number of people suffering from CD or UC have had chest pain and had either their appendix or gallbladder removed? I am going through this exact same situation now and posted something on it last week. I have been to the emergency room with extreme chest pain (my gallbladder) about 4 times over the last week. I have had an ultrasound and they have confirmed that my gallbladder needs to be removed, now I just have to wait until they can schedule the surgery. Yeah! :) Anyway, sorry I can’t be of much help, but I thought I would relate to the exact same situation. Good luck, and let us know if having your gallbladder removed cleared up the entire situation. Jeff — Jeff Downie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you have that pain and it shows up after eating fatty foods, what can be done about it?  It is an ache.  It first started  month ago with a severe pain just under the sternum.  Now it is a dull ache just after eating at times.  I guess I am asking at what point do you get the gall bladder removed?  If it is a stone, does it pass like a kidney stone? thanks. Hi Donna, I had the same pain on my right rib cage towards the back.  It was Gallstones. It might pay to visit the doctor. Alison Before you buy.

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Well, It’s July 3rd and the gallbladder came OUT on June 26th. Not sure yet if I feel better or not because of the pain at the incision sites.  They took the appendix too "just to rule out it as the cause of any furter pain".  Also had exploratory abdominal to look for any strictures from the CD.  Doc did not see any.  Thanks for all of your responses. Donna * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful

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If you have that pain and it shows up after eating fatty foods, what can be done about it?  It is an ache.  It first started  month ago with a severe pain just under the sternum.  Now it is a dull ache just after eating at times.  I guess I am asking at what point do you get the gall bladder removed?  If it is a stone, does it pass like a kidney stone? thanks. Hi Donna, I had the same pain on my right rib cage towards the back.  It was Gallstones. It might pay to visit the doctor. Alison

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You are a very close couple, he has stones and you feel the pain, wow! So I live with this pain until the gall bladder is finally removed then I have bowel problems for the rest of my life? My husband had stones and I had the bile ducts inflammed with that pain. Very bad when it went into the back. Might be worth a mention to your Dr. Good luck, Liz/CD

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but I have this terrible pain under my right rib cage towards the back and am wondering if it is related to the CD or something else entirely!!  Any info would be appreciated!! Thanks, Donna

Hi Donna, It sounds so much like gall bladder. My husband had stones and I had the bile ducts inflammed with that pain. Very bad when it went into the back. Might be worth a mention to your Dr. Good luck, Liz/CD

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Hi Donna, If it is the gallbladder I hope they take it out now. Despite having gallstones they left mine in last year to help with bowel function. (They said!) After a year of pain they are reluctantly going to open me up again soon and remove it. Dorene.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone have crohn’s pain in the area under their ribs (Mine is on the right side)?  I am scheduled for surgery on June 26th for definite CD near the belly button but I have this terrible pain under my right rib cage towards the back and am wondering if it is related to the CD or something else entirely!!  Any info would be appreciated!! Dear Donna:   It sounds like it could very well be your gallbladder.  That is how my pain was.  I eventually had to have it removed.  It seems that the CD even affected it!  I also had several stones in it so it had to go.  I would ask my doc to check it out since you’re having surgery anyway, maybe they can do both at the same time!  Save you one more trip to the O.R.!!  Just a thought. Love,   Margie CD Class of 67 UC Class of 96

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Donna, I agree with Rebecca.  It’s sounds a lot like gall bladder.  Get it checked out. Take Care, Sherry Take Care, Sherry    (CD Class of ‘91) (To reply by e-mail remove nojunk from address)

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Hi Donna, I had the same pain on my right rib cage towards the back.  It was Gallstones. It might pay to visit the doctor. Alison

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Donna, What a shock to come on and find this. I was in the ER all day Tuesday for this exact pain, very intense. I was told that I had an inflamed gall bladder. They did an US to rule out stones. You might check this out with your doctor. Let me know what your doc says….. Jeanette

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Does anyone have crohn’s pain in the area under their ribs (Mine is on the right side)?  I am scheduled for surgery on June 26th for definite CD near the belly button but I have this terrible pain under my right rib cage towards the back and am wondering if it is related to the CD or something else entirely!!  Any info would be appreciated!!

Dear Donna:   It sounds like it could very well be your gallbladder.  That is how my pain was.  I eventually had to have it removed.  It seems that the CD even affected it!  I also had several stones in it so it had to go.  I would ask my doc to check it out since you’re having surgery anyway, maybe they can do both at the same time!  Save you one more trip to the O.R.!!  Just a thought. Love,   Margie CD Class of 67 UC Class of 96

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Hi Donna: You might ask the docs to check out your gallbladder as that sounds like classic gallbladder pain. Seems there is a high correlation of us here who have both IBD and gallstones. Good luck and keep us posted Rebecca :-)

Does anyone have crohn’s pain in the area under their ribs (Mine is on the right side)?  I am scheduled for surgery on June 26th for definite CD near the belly button but I have this terrible pain under my right rib cage towards the back and am wondering if it is related to the CD or something else entirely!!  Any info would be appreciated!!  Thanks, Donna * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find

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Does anyone have crohn’s pain in the area under their ribs (Mine is on the right side)?  I am scheduled for surgery on

I have… its gone now, but it was under my bottom rib on the right side, and confirmed w/ colonoscopy/uppergi w/ small bowell followthrough to be a little inflamed. -Mike (pink) — "Sword fighting is kinda like making | CS1312 STA|  but what you say." -Captain Smirk  

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Does anyone have crohn’s pain in the area under their ribs (Mine is on the right side)?  I am scheduled for surgery on June 26th for definite CD near the belly button but I have this terrible pain under my right rib cage towards the back and am wondering if it is related to the CD or something else entirely!!  Any info would be appreciated!!  Thanks, Donna * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful

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Surgery-Crohn's in the Illeum

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Margie YEAH!!! they say insanity is hereditary – you get it from your kids That apart, stressful it is but I enjoy it as much as I can (that is, when I can get off the throne). I am stacking the memories away to enjoy in my dotage (next yr) assuming my memory is left; and to use as blackmailwhen they have kids of their own – REVENGE – hehehehehe Greg – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – She told me she just doesn’t want me to work and stay home with any future kids. Sorry, but this kinda made me giggle.  Kids and "no stress" do not run in the same sentance.  Sorry, but if you have kids, you will have stress.  It is all worth it, mind you, but there will be stress.  No doubt about it!  But you will love it!  Be well! Margie   CD Class of 67  UC Class of 96

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Margie – take heart, I for one, have not heard about this result and the "emergency surgery" scare about a blockage sounds like something that built up long before Remicade was introduced into the treatment equation.

Dear Flipper:   Thanks so much for your "two insomniac cents."  It meant a great deal to me. Now that the time for actually getting the series of infusions is growing closer, I am easily scared.  The last thing I (or anyone else either, I guess) want or need is another surgery!  I am so banking on some type of remission. Thanks again for your post.  I really appreciated it. Love,   Margie

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I agree flipper.  It’s the first I’ve ever heard of this.  My first Remicade infusion allowed me to postpone surgery for a stricture for several weeks.  We used it as a last resort but when the pain persisted the GI said it was time for surgery.  Of course his conclusion was confirmed when we were finally able to get a CT scan, the narrowing was SO clear! :)  mgbio CD Class of ‘99 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A doctor at the Univ of Chicago said that there is a well known post-Remicade result of narrowing of the colon. I never heard anything about this. I’d like to see any clinical info on this observation. Let’s be honest here, Remicade is often used as last resort before surgery and to get people off prednisone. It is NOT considered a CURE. (When it wears off, symptoms can often recur.) Perhaps the observation was of a few patients destined for surgery already? I don’t like to read tales that might frighten people from taking medication unless the information is something we all know is true from years of taking the stuff (like prednisone) or at least backed up by credible references (a website where we can see clinical evidence?). Margie – take heart, I for one, have not heard about this result and the "emergency surgery" scare about a blockage sounds like something that built up long before Remicade was introduced into the treatment equation. Just my two insomniac cents, Flipper

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A doctor at the Univ of Chicago said that there is a well known post-Remicade result of narrowing of the colon. If you have blockage, then from what I have read then you will have surgery, maybe emergency surgery

How often has this been known to happen? And after how many infusions?  How many studies have been done to show that this is definately from the Remicade? I am curious because I am due to start a series of infusions within the next few weeks and would like to know.  Thanks for any information you can give me.   Margie CD Class of 67  UC Class of 96

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A doctor at the Univ of Chicago said that there is a well known post-Remicade result of narrowing of the colon.

I never heard anything about this. I’d like to see any clinical info on this observation. Let’s be honest here, Remicade is often used as last resort before surgery and to get people off prednisone. It is NOT considered a CURE. (When it wears off, symptoms can often recur.) Perhaps the observation was of a few patients destined for surgery already? I don’t like to read tales that might frighten people from taking medication unless the information is something we all know is true from years of taking the stuff (like prednisone) or at least backed up by credible references (a website where we can see clinical evidence?). Margie – take heart, I for one, have not heard about this result and the "emergency surgery" scare about a blockage sounds like something that built up long before Remicade was introduced into the treatment equation. Just my two insomniac cents, Flipper

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My wife has her own ideas on how I should decrease stress.  She told me she just doesn’t want me to work and stay home with any future kids.  I don’t know about this. I will be taking time off after grad school and we plan on doing some travling…… Chad – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well Chad I will pray for you and if you find a way to reduce stress, please let us know! * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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 Can you give me some reference for why your doctor would use 6-MP before surgery?

I’m not Mark, but I can tell you that doctors are finding out that if they put their patients on either 6-MP or Imuran before surgery, they can try to cut back on the recurrance of flare ups after surgery.  So far, nothing will totally eliminate the chance of flare ups, but they are finding that this medication does go a long way in reducing the recurrance of flare ups.  Hope this helps.   Margie    CD Class of 67  UC Class of 96

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She told me she just doesn’t want me to work and stay home with any future kids.

Sorry, but this kinda made me giggle.  Kids and "no stress" do not run in the same sentance.  Sorry, but if you have kids, you will have stress.  It is all worth it, mind you, but there will be stress.  No doubt about it!  But you will love it!  Be well! Margie   CD Class of 67  UC Class of 96

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Chad Apparently, taking 6MP or imuran before and after surgery can control your immune system enough to prevent(or at least minimize)the chance for a post-operative reoccurrence. I must admit, however, that I’m only speculating when I say that taking it could go so far as to prevent ANY possible flareups as I would like to think it could do to prevent these flares that occur(in my case)during the flu season. Mark * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful

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Well Chad I will pray for you and if you find a way to reduce stress, please let us know! * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Chad, A doctor at the Univ of Chicago said that there is a well known post-Remicade result of narrowing of the colon. If you have blockage, then from what I have read then you will have surgery, maybe emergency surgery.  Check out Asacol and talk to a doctor.

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Hi Mark     Well I didn’t find any papers on 6mp in conjuction with surgery, but I did find a paper on Asacol and its effects in prolonging remission. I have to walk over and get the paper yet, but the abstract said basically higher concentrations of asacol = longer remission. I need to actually see the paper though. Sometimes abstracts make a paper sound better than it actually is. If your interested in the paper its…… Prevention of post-operative recurrence of Crohn’s disease requires adequate mucosal concentration of mesalazine               Frieri G, Pimpo MT, Andreoli A, Annese V, Comberlato M, Corrao G, Palumbo G, Sturniolo GC, Tonelli F, Caprilli R                                    ALIMENTARY PHARMACOLOGY & THERAPEUTICS                                                  13: (5) 577-582 MAY 1999 Take Care Chad – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Chad Apparently, taking 6MP or imuran before and after surgery can control your immune system enough to prevent(or at least minimize)the chance for a post-operative reoccurrence. I must admit, however, that I’m only speculating when I say that taking it could go so far as to prevent ANY possible flareups as I would like to think it could do to prevent these flares that occur(in my case)during the flu season. Mark * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful

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Chad, There was just about 4 yrs. in between my surgeries.  I just pasted the next 4 year mark and I’m not ready for another surgery as of yet.  But, my Dr. is watching very closely.  I’m having x-rays next week to see how things are.  I had x-rays 8 mths. after the last one and there was a small narrowing starting but, I wasn’t on any med’s back then.  So maybe they have been working. Take Care, Sherry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Sherry    I was wondering how long of time there was between your first surgery and your second. I am just curious. I know everybody has a different story on how well the surgery worked for them. Cheers… Chad

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Hi Mark     Can you give me some reference for why your doctor would use 6-MP before surgery? I am on Pentassa and will stay on it after surgery. I don’t ever see getting off of medication and niether does my doctor. I was doing some search on the web but couldn’t find any article relating 6mp to a decrease in recurrence of crohn’s after surgery.  Thanks… Cheers Chad – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 3)It’s advisable to be taking 6MP right before the surgery to lessen the chance for a post-operative flare.  I had read this somewhere and my current Dr. tells me that were I to have surgery this is what she’d prescribe first.  In fact, I’m thinking that it might even be effective enough to lessen the likelihood of future flareups that I seem to get during the dreaded flu season. Good luck in the meantime * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful

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I had three feet including my ileocecal valve taken out in 1980.  Have not had to have surgery since and my quality of life improved immensely. I just wish they had laps back in 1980.  I am sure recovery would of been quicker.  Good luck.-Lee

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hey chad, I have had cd for 11 or so yrs. this past jan 25-99 I had my 3rd. surgery…same prob blockages at my illeum, I was out after 5 days and feeling pretty good after another week. All the surgeries were w/in 2yrs.!!! Well I’m sick again, so I won’t go that way again! But for many people surgery is very helpful. This last time I had the strictureplasty that mark (message 5) mentioned (beth israel hosp. in Bos) where they did that I seem to be fine.  I go for an upper GI thurs….good luck to you…and me * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Hi     Well I am going in a week from wedensday.  They don’t want to do a strictureplasty this time because my instine is pretty bad. The doctors here usually due if you need more surgeries.  The surgeon I saw today advise me to reduce stress. It was a rather interesting discussion we had, but his feelings are that stress is the one of the main reasons for relapse.  Not always, but in his experience it has always helped. Thanks for all the stuff…… Cheers…. Chad – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Hi Sherry     I was wondering how long of time there was between your first surgery and your second. I am just curious. I know everybody has a different story on how well the surgery worked for them. Cheers… Chad

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Having already had two ileocecal resections myself(with a possible third due to a stricture formation as with your case), I would mention three items here: 1)If at all possible, I would recommend the laparoscopic surgery over the conventional approach.  Your recovery time is alot faster and there are no post-operative adhesions to worry about(or they’d be minimal at best).  However, this doesn’t work out in every instance, hence you still might wind up with the traditional way.  Once you’ve done it though in the traditional fashion, future surgeries would always have to be done this way because the laparoscopic technique couldn’t be used. 2)Strictureplasty might be suitable in your situation. This is a somewhat newer technique also which saves the bowel tissue.  It’s dilated as opposed to being cut out. However, you have to find a qualified surgeon who has done this enough(for instance from what I’ve read, the Cleveland Clinic does it). 3)It’s advisable to be taking 6MP right before the surgery to lessen the chance for a post-operative flare.  I had read this somewhere and my current Dr. tells me that were I to have surgery this is what she’d prescribe first.  In fact, I’m thinking that it might even be effective enough to lessen the likelihood of future flareups that I seem to get during the dreaded flu season. Good luck in the meantime * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful

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Chad, I underwent surgery for stricture of the ileum last spring.  I was in the hospital 7 days after the surgery, with my parents for 3 weeks then home on my own.  By the 4th week I was pretty well healed, driving, and back to most life activities (except heavy lifting).  The surgical pain was not nearly as bad as the crohn’s pain, especially knowing that it would not go on forever! Good luck with your surgery! :)  mgbio CD Class of ‘99 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All  Hi its been awhile since I have posted.  My research for grad school has been going well. Of course it couldn