Question:

Terri wrote in response to pouringrain (some snipping)

The hysterecomy was in 1976 following childbirth when I hemorrhaged. I was

left with one ovary. Then I had the appendix out in 1983. I know that adhesions don’t show up in ultrasounds and nothing has been resolved when I had those tests. I don’t want to have them open it all up to find out what is wrong.

Upper and lower GI tests would seem to be in order here given the possibility

of adhesions from prior surgery, although it would be unlikely to occur now this long after the surgeries. A laparoscopy might also be of use to find out whether or not there is some kind of pathology. (more snipping) I may have mentioned this before … I swallowed a bobby pin when I was three years old and had intestional surgery to remove it. In my early 20s a laporoscopy showed adhesions around one ovary. At 27 I was pregnant with twins and woke up one morning with excruciating pain – could not stand or walk and hardly able to breathe. My doctor said it was the adhesions tearing. It happened again when I was pregnant 2.5 years later, but was not as painful. So adhesions may be causing problems now, years later. IMHO   susan, proprietress of the Whine ‘n Woeses

Response:

I’m in Canada so I don’t have an HMO. With our govt. medical system I can go to any g.p., who in turn has to refer me to a specialist. It’s all covered. Only naturopaths etc. are not fully covered or I would try that route. I managed to get into a clinic just an hour ago and another dr. checked me and also had a urine test with no white cells so that means it is not a UTI. He felt it was not intestinal as he felt nothing abnormal and thought it sounded more like adhesions or gynecological, and warranted another ultrasound and maybe a laparascopy. That was his feeling anyway. Well I asked if he was taking new patients and he said he was only there temporarily but gave me the name of another dr. in the clinic who is. So at least I did go, do have a name for a new dr., and will also return to my g.p tomorrow and ask to be referred to both a gastroenterologist and a gynecologist…..the only way I can get it sorted out probably since it is still undiagnosed. I got the prescription and it is not Zantec but Novo-Cimetine, which my g.p.had said is a stronger form of zantec. The monograph given with it says it is a histamine blocker used to treat and prevent ulcers and gastroesophageal reflux disease. Now none of my symptoms are of reflux and none are in the stomach or above, so it seems this would not help. I am afraid to take it; as you can see I have a med phobia. I hate reading those things that say if your symptoms do not improve or become worse…. So I still have taken nothing. Taking this for a lower right pain doesn’t seem the thing to do but if you tell me it won’t harm anything, I’ll take it. Sorry to be a baby about it. Terri <vl-hb…@erols.com

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In article <LWu_6.573408$166.11916…@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com, "pouringrain" <pennyl…@nospam.com wrote: I tried to find a new dr. locally today and none were taking new patients. I will try again tomorrow. I have to find someone who will look at my history and at least see if it could be something related to my old surgeries. The hysterecomy was in 1976 following childbirth when I hemorrhaged. I was left with one ovary. Then I had the appendix out in 1983. I know that adhesions don’t show up in ultrasounds and nothing has been resolved when I had those tests. I don’t want to have them open it all up to find out what is

wrong

Upper and lower GI tests would seem to be in order here given the possibility of adhesions from prior surgery, although it would be unlikely to occur now this long after the surgeries. A laparoscopy might also be of use to find out whether or not there is some kind of pathology. and all my research last night didn’t come across a single incidence of endometriosis in a menopausal woman who never had it before. I have posted the question on the endometriosis newsgroup in case someone there knows. If it is possible for that to happen because of the one ovary though, it

has

to be dealt with. I think it’s a very remote possibility especially since you seem to have had no symptoms associated with any kind of cycle until now. Ifr you’ve had abdominal pain on a (roughly) monthly basis though it might be a possibility. It’s just that I don’t want to neglect a pain that is so chronic. Along with the diarrhea and seeming food intolerance. This is not in the stomach area at all. It’s all below the waist. It has to mean something is wrong. Not necessarily. Pain can be referred from the area causing it to other (often distant) areas.  The high levels of acid in your stomach may be irritating your esophagus and/or interfering with digestion of food.  In either case the result can be pain in the abdomen and/or diarrhea which will also cause abdominal pain. Or if it is "just" IBS, that should be ascertained. Or if the one ovary should be removed. It just does not feel right. It is complicated because everything in there affects everything else. I haven’t taken anything yet. I got the pills and will try the zantec. I was also given tylenol 3 with codeine and am afraid of it. Would you take it for abdominal pain? I’d be very cautious with painkillers in the case of *undiagnosed* abdominal pain because they can mask the pain and nasty things can be happening without you knowing about it because the pain is being covered up. I agree with Furpaw. If the pain is severe and/or if you are unable to pass gas or stool go to the ER. Severe abdominal pain *is* a medical emergency. What kind of insurance do you have? if you are covered under a PPO or traditional fee for service you might be able to refer yourself to a gastroenterologist. Unfortunately if you are covered under an HMO you don’t have that option unless you’re willing to pay for it yourself. Terri

Response:

Constipation is something I rarely have, it’s been diarrhea most of the time. Also no vomiting ever. I do feel stomach bloating sometimes especially right around ovulation along with breast tenderness and sometimes after eating certain foods but in the morning when I wake up my stomach is always flat with no pain. It starts up a short while after I get up. Linda Scheimann <uscho…@yahoo.com

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I can and probably should be more specific about what I experienced with bowel blockage. The easiest symptom to identify was constipation, which

was

up to 5 days the night I went into the hospital. When milk of magnesia did not work earlier that day, I figured it was time to go in. I was also nauseous every time I ate by then, had vomited, and had a sort of

pressured,

choking sensation –  in fact, I was very relieved when heart problems were ruled out early on. I should also say that the two intestinal blockages showed up on the first x-rays taken in ER, within the first hour I was there. They couldn’t tell what was causing the blockages, but they identified them. My pain intensified when I laid down with legs stretched out straight and was relieved some by bending my knees. You can’t tell if you have endometriosis that easily. Especially since you have not had periods, it’s possible to have endometriosis for some time

with

no symptoms, until it interferes with something else, like bowels. I did

not

have the characteristic heavy bleeding, but my doctor figured from what he saw that mine had been developing for at least ten years. Bloating is something you will be able to see, if it occurs. My stomach

was

swollen when I went to the hospital, with the navel distended outward. That’s the other thing aside from the pain that frightened me and caused

me

to go to the hospital. Since I don’t have insurance and was paying out of pocket, this wasn’t a decision I made lightly. I understand Terri’s

caution > about medical overtreatment, but in my case I caused myself a lot of extra > trouble by avoiding medical care too long, > Linda > FurPaw <furpawDY…@DOGhome.com

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> news:3B3A79AC.C4FC478@DOGhome.com… > > Hi, pouringrain – > > If you don’t find a new doctor in the next day or two, you might > > try the ER route when you are in a lot of pain.  They likely will > > take xrays to determine if you have an intestinal blockage. > > Hopefully they can rule that out! > > Remote diagnosis isn’t worth the screen it appears on, but let me > > share a concern (out of recent experience).  You have a history > > of abdominal surgery, so it’s logical to suspect adhesions. > > Because your small intestine squirms around a lot, it can get > > trapped by a band of connective tissue (adhesion).  And become > > partially or completely blocked.  Your symptoms – inability to > > eat without pain, diarrhea, abdominal pain, fit that picture.  Is > > your abdomen distended or bloated?  Are you nauseated or vomiting > > at all?  Those are a couple more symptoms.  If you have a > > complete blockage, the symptoms – particularly pain, nausea and > > vomiting – become acute pretty quickly. > > My 2 cents worth – I hope my screen diagnosis is way off the > > wall, because the fix is surgery.  At least it’s something to > > rule out.  if Zantac helps, it’s not likely to be a blockage. > > Oh, yeah – if you have a county medical society, they may be able > > to point you to a doctor who is accepting new patients.  I’ve > > used a c.m.s. a couple of times when I was new in town. > > Good luck! > > FurPaw > > pouringrain wrote: > > > Hi Terri > > > I take xanax for anxiety, and that is what I meant by sedated. I have to

take between .12 and .25 mg a day lately. It calms my brain even

though

it does not touch any pain I have. My psych. authorized me to take it 3 times a day but I never needed that much and that makes me too out of it. (sleepy). I tried to find a new dr. locally today and none were taking new patients. I will try again tomorrow. I have to find someone who will look at my history and at least see if it could be something related to my old surgeries. The hysterecomy was in 1976 following childbirth when I hemorrhaged. I was left with one ovary. Then I had the appendix out in 1983. I know that adhesions don’t show up in ultrasounds and nothing has been resolved when I had those tests. I don’t want to have them open it all up to find out what is wrong and all my research last night didn’t come across a single incidence

of

endometriosis in a menopausal woman who never had it before. I have posted the question on the endometriosis newsgroup in case someone there

knows.

If it is possible for that to happen because of the one ovary though, it has to be dealt with. It’s just that I don’t want to neglect a pain that is so chronic.

Along

with the diarrhea and seeming food intolerance. This is not in the stomach area at all. It’s all below the waist. It has to mean something is wrong.

Or

if it is "just" IBS, that should be ascertained. Or if the one ovary

should

be removed. It just does not feel right. It is complicated because everything in there affects everything else. I haven’t taken anything yet. I got the pills and will try the zantec.

I

was also given tylenol 3 with codeine and am afraid of it. Would you take

it > for > > > abdominal pain? > > > Terri <vl-hb…@erols.com

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> > > news:vl-hb001-A56429.08262027062001@news.erols.com… > > > > In article <9jd_6.567568$166.11796…@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com>, > > > > "pouringrain" <pennyl…@nospam.com> wrote: > > > > > I thought it could not be endometriosis because I have no uterus. > Isn’t > > > > > that > > > > > right? I have only one ovary left. > > > > If your hysterectomy/oopherectomy were relatively recent and there was

no diagnosis of endometriosis made at that time, it’s highly

unlikely

now. I decided to take nothing (don’t have the car to pick up the new prescription anyway, will try it tomorrow). I will get a new

doctor.

I wanted to keep the same doctor, I kept giving him a chance, but really I have to live my life and he is not helping me. It’s entirely possible that this doctor is right and that your

problem

is high secretion of stomach acid. This has nothing to do with what you eat or don’t eat. The problem lies in the acid the stomach produces. Most of the Zantac type drugs (H2 inhibitors) are now otc at 1/2 the prescription dose. To get the prescription dose then, you just have

to

take two of them. So try his/her advice for a few days. You have nothing to lose since you aren’t likely to get an appointment with a new doctor immediately anyway. Eat small amounts frequently. Try cutting out

all

dairy and wheat for a few days and stick to mostly fruits and

veggies.

As a counterpoint to Linda’s experience, I was grossly overtreated

and

seriously harmed for what turned out to be a simple case of GERD and

a

minor esophageal ulcer. A doctor who rushes to do every test in the book and who thinks zebras when he hears hoofbeats can be very dangerous

to

your health. So make an appointment with a new doctor if you want to switch doctors, but take the advice of your current one until you can get to see the new one. Please throw the "old antibiotics" you have squirreled away

into

the garbage. Hormones are most certainly not likely to be of any

help.

I note that you said you were able to sleep despite the pain because you were "sedated." Drugs can mask serious problems, and if I were you I wouldn’t take painkillers or any other sedation and see just how severe the pain is/becomes with nothing. If the pain becomes very severe a visit to the ER is certainly justified. Terri I know most of you would not put up with this. That is why I wrote. I needed some support.

Thanks > all > > > > > of > > > > > you. > > > > > Linda Scheimann <uscho…@yahoo.com

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> > > > > news:Quc_6.15646$G25.6076@newsfeed.slurp.net… > > > > > > Be especially careful here if you have constipation, with or > without > > > > > > alternating diarrhea. I had emergency surgery in December for what

turned out to be severe endometriosis which had "strangled" both my

small

and large intestine, requiring two resections. I had almost complete blockage in two places. The pain I had was not touched by painkillers the final three nights before I went into the emergency room. I also had nausea, and

was

eating and drinking very little during the days. Endometriosis cannot be diagnosed positively without surgery, usually laparoscopy. In my case because of the intestinal involvement,

it > was > > > a > > > > > > general abdominal exploratory, and resulted in a hysterectomy in > > > > > > addition > > > > > to > > > > > > the resections. > > > > > > Gwen is absolutely correct in saying you should not be adding > hormones > > > > > > to > > > > > > your system until you have a satisfactory diagnosis for your > current > > > > > > discomfort. > > > > > > Linda > > > > > > gs <he…@rest.com

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In article <LWu_6.573408$166.11916…@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com

,

"pouringrain" <pennyl…@nospam.com

wrote: I tried to find a new dr. locally today and none were taking new patients. I will try again tomorrow. I have to find someone who will look at my history and at least see if it could be something related to my old surgeries. The hysterecomy was in 1976 following childbirth when I hemorrhaged. I was left with one ovary. Then I had the appendix out in 1983. I know that adhesions don’t show up in ultrasounds and nothing has been resolved when I had those tests. I don’t want to have them open it all up to find out what is wrong

Upper and lower GI tests would seem to be in order here given the possibility of adhesions from prior surgery, although it would be unlikely to occur now this long after the surgeries. A laparoscopy might also be of use to find out whether or not there is some kind of pathology.

and all my research last night didn’t come across a single incidence of endometriosis in a menopausal woman who never had it before. I have posted the question on the endometriosis newsgroup in case someone there knows. If it is possible for that to happen because of the one ovary though, it has to be dealt with.

I think it’s a very remote possibility especially since you seem to have had no symptoms associated with any kind of cycle until now. Ifr you’ve had abdominal pain on a (roughly) monthly basis though it might be a possibility.

It’s just that I don’t want to neglect a pain that is so chronic. Along with the diarrhea and seeming food intolerance. This is not in the stomach area at all. It’s all below the waist. It has to mean something is wrong.

Not necessarily. Pain can be referred from the area causing it to other (often distant) areas.  The high levels of acid in your stomach may be irritating your esophagus and/or interfering with digestion of food.  In either case the result can be pain in the abdomen and/or diarrhea which will also cause abdominal pain.

Or if it is "just" IBS, that should be ascertained. Or if the one ovary should be removed. It just does not feel right. It is complicated because everything in there affects everything else. I haven’t taken anything yet. I got the pills and will try the zantec. I was also given tylenol 3 with codeine and am afraid of it. Would you take it for abdominal pain?

I’d be very cautious with painkillers in the case of *undiagnosed* abdominal pain because they can mask the pain and nasty things can be happening without you knowing about it because the pain is being covered up. I agree with Furpaw. If the pain is severe and/or if you are unable to pass gas or stool go to the ER. Severe abdominal pain *is* a medical emergency. What kind of insurance do you have? if you are covered under a PPO or traditional fee for service you might be able to refer yourself to a gastroenterologist. Unfortunately if you are covered under an HMO you don’t have that option unless you’re willing to pay for it yourself. Terri – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

Response:

I can and probably should be more specific about what I experienced with bowel blockage. The easiest symptom to identify was constipation, which was up to 5 days the night I went into the hospital. When milk of magnesia did not work earlier that day, I figured it was time to go in. I was also nauseous every time I ate by then, had vomited, and had a sort of pressured, choking sensation –  in fact, I was very relieved when heart problems were ruled out early on. I should also say that the two intestinal blockages showed up on the first x-rays taken in ER, within the first hour I was there. They couldn’t tell what was causing the blockages, but they identified them. My pain intensified when I laid down with legs stretched out straight and was relieved some by bending my knees. You can’t tell if you have endometriosis that easily. Especially since you have not had periods, it’s possible to have endometriosis for some time with no symptoms, until it interferes with something else, like bowels. I did not have the characteristic heavy bleeding, but my doctor figured from what he saw that mine had been developing for at least ten years. Bloating is something you will be able to see, if it occurs. My stomach was swollen when I went to the hospital, with the navel distended outward. That’s the other thing aside from the pain that frightened me and caused me to go to the hospital. Since I don’t have insurance and was paying out of pocket, this wasn’t a decision I made lightly. I understand Terri’s caution about medical overtreatment, but in my case I caused myself a lot of extra trouble by avoiding medical care too long, Linda FurPaw <furpawDY…@DOGhome.com

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Hi, pouringrain – If you don’t find a new doctor in the next day or two, you might try the ER route when you are in a lot of pain.  They likely will take xrays to determine if you have an intestinal blockage. Hopefully they can rule that out! Remote diagnosis isn’t worth the screen it appears on, but let me share a concern (out of recent experience).  You have a history of abdominal surgery, so it’s logical to suspect adhesions. Because your small intestine squirms around a lot, it can get trapped by a band of connective tissue (adhesion).  And become partially or completely blocked.  Your symptoms – inability to eat without pain, diarrhea, abdominal pain, fit that picture.  Is your abdomen distended or bloated?  Are you nauseated or vomiting at all?  Those are a couple more symptoms.  If you have a complete blockage, the symptoms – particularly pain, nausea and vomiting – become acute pretty quickly. My 2 cents worth – I hope my screen diagnosis is way off the wall, because the fix is surgery.  At least it’s something to rule out.  if Zantac helps, it’s not likely to be a blockage. Oh, yeah – if you have a county medical society, they may be able to point you to a doctor who is accepting new patients.  I’ve used a c.m.s. a couple of times when I was new in town. Good luck! FurPaw pouringrain wrote: Hi Terri I take xanax for anxiety, and that is what I meant by sedated. I have to take between .12 and .25 mg a day lately. It calms my brain even though

it

does not touch any pain I have. My psych. authorized me to take it 3

times a

day but I never needed that much and that makes me too out of it.

(sleepy).

I tried to find a new dr. locally today and none were taking new

patients. I

will try again tomorrow. I have to find someone who will look at my

history

and at least see if it could be something related to my old surgeries.

The

hysterecomy was in 1976 following childbirth when I hemorrhaged. I was

left

with one ovary. Then I had the appendix out in 1983. I know that

adhesions

don’t show up in ultrasounds and nothing has been resolved when I had

those

tests. I don’t want to have them open it all up to find out what is

wrong

and all my research last night didn’t come across a single incidence of endometriosis in a menopausal woman who never had it before. I have

posted

the question on the endometriosis newsgroup in case someone there knows.

If

it is possible for that to happen because of the one ovary though, it

has to

be dealt with. It’s just that I don’t want to neglect a pain that is so chronic. Along

with

the diarrhea and seeming food intolerance. This is not in the stomach

area

at all. It’s all below the waist. It has to mean something is wrong. Or

if

it is "just" IBS, that should be ascertained. Or if the one ovary should

be

removed. It just does not feel right. It is complicated because

everything

in there affects everything else. I haven’t taken anything yet. I got the pills and will try the zantec. I

was

also given tylenol 3 with codeine and am afraid of it. Would you take it

for > > abdominal pain? > > Terri <vl-hb…@erols.com

wrote in message

> > news:vl-hb001-A56429.08262027062001@news.erols.com… > > > In article <9jd_6.567568$166.11796…@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com>, > > > "pouringrain" <pennyl…@nospam.com> wrote: > > > > I thought it could not be endometriosis because I have no uterus. Isn’t

that right? I have only one ovary left. If your hysterectomy/oopherectomy were relatively recent and there was no diagnosis of endometriosis made at that time, it’s highly unlikely now. I decided to take nothing (don’t have the car to pick up the new prescription anyway, will try it tomorrow). I will get a new doctor.

I

wanted to keep the same doctor, I kept giving him a chance, but

really I

have to live my life and he is not helping me. It’s entirely possible that this doctor is right and that your problem is high secretion of stomach acid. This has nothing to do with what

you

eat or don’t eat. The problem lies in the acid the stomach produces. Most of the Zantac type drugs (H2 inhibitors) are now otc at 1/2 the prescription dose. To get the prescription dose then, you just have to take two of them. So try his/her advice for a few days. You have

nothing

to lose since you aren’t likely to get an appointment with a new

doctor

immediately anyway. Eat small amounts frequently. Try cutting out all dairy and wheat for a few days and stick to mostly fruits and veggies. As a counterpoint to Linda’s experience, I was grossly overtreated and seriously harmed for what turned out to be a simple case of GERD and a minor esophageal ulcer. A doctor who rushes to do every test in the

book

and who thinks zebras when he hears hoofbeats can be very dangerous to your health. So make an appointment with a new doctor if you want to switch

doctors,

but take the advice of your current one until you can get to see the

new

one. Please throw the "old antibiotics" you have squirreled away into the garbage. Hormones are most certainly not likely to be of any help. I note that you said you were able to sleep despite the pain because

you

were "sedated." Drugs can mask serious problems, and if I were you I wouldn’t take painkillers or any other sedation and see just how

severe

the pain is/becomes with nothing. If the pain becomes very severe a visit to the ER is certainly justified. Terri I know most of you would not put up with this. That is why I wrote. I needed some support. Thanks

all > > > > of > > > > you. > > > > Linda Scheimann <uscho…@yahoo.com

wrote in message

> > > > news:Quc_6.15646$G25.6076@newsfeed.slurp.net… > > > > > Be especially careful here if you have constipation, with or without

alternating diarrhea. I had emergency surgery in December for what turned out to be severe endometriosis which had "strangled" both my small

and

large intestine, requiring two resections. I had almost complete

blockage in

two places. The pain I had was not touched by painkillers the final

three

nights before I went into the emergency room. I also had nausea, and was eating and drinking very little during the days. Endometriosis cannot be diagnosed positively without surgery,

usually

laparoscopy. In my case because of the intestinal involvement, it

was

a general abdominal exploratory, and resulted in a hysterectomy in addition to the resections. Gwen is absolutely correct in saying you should not be adding

hormones

to your system until you have a satisfactory diagnosis for your

current > > > > > discomfort. > > > > > Linda > > > > > gs <he…@rest.com

wrote in message

> > news:1D2E53D01A43626D.B6AC763A129782E4.45687DD0D5093764@lp.airnews.net.. > > > > > . > > > > > > "pouringrain" <pennyl…@nospam.com

wrote in message

> > > > > > news:lv9_6.565845$166.11742017@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com… > > > > > > > After having the increasing abdominal pain for almost 2 weeks and

not thinking I’d live thru the night but sedated enough to be fall asleep, I saw my g.p. today and he examined me and said it sounded like too

much

acid. He said it was not likely to be anything else. So he prescribed a thing like Zantec only prescription so it is stronger, and said take one before every meal. Now, really, I have not been living on acid foods. I’ve

been

eating minimally because everything bothers

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Response:

No vomiting – that’s the one good thing. FurPaw <furpawDY…@DOGhome.com

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Hi, pouringrain – If you don’t find a new doctor in the next day or two, you might try the ER route when you are in a lot of pain.  They likely will take xrays to determine if you have an intestinal blockage. Hopefully they can rule that out! Remote diagnosis isn’t worth the screen it appears on, but let me share a concern (out of recent experience).  You have a history of abdominal surgery, so it’s logical to suspect adhesions. Because your small intestine squirms around a lot, it can get trapped by a band of connective tissue (adhesion).  And become partially or completely blocked.  Your symptoms – inability to eat without pain, diarrhea, abdominal pain, fit that picture.  Is your abdomen distended or bloated?  Are you nauseated or vomiting at all?  Those are a couple more symptoms.  If you have a complete blockage, the symptoms – particularly pain, nausea and vomiting – become acute pretty quickly. My 2 cents worth – I hope my screen diagnosis is way off the wall, because the fix is surgery.  At least it’s something to rule out.  if Zantac helps, it’s not likely to be a blockage. Oh, yeah – if you have a county medical society, they may be able to point you to a doctor who is accepting new patients.  I’ve used a c.m.s. a couple of times when I was new in town. Good luck! FurPaw pouringrain wrote: Hi Terri I take xanax for anxiety, and that is what I meant by sedated. I have to take between .12 and .25 mg a day lately. It calms my brain even though

it

does not touch any pain I have. My psych. authorized me to take it 3

times a

day but I never needed that much and that makes me too out of it.

(sleepy).

I tried to find a new dr. locally today and none were taking new

patients. I

will try again tomorrow. I have to find someone who will look at my

history

and at least see if it could be something related to my old surgeries.

The

hysterecomy was in 1976 following childbirth when I hemorrhaged. I was

left

with one ovary. Then I had the appendix out in 1983. I know that

adhesions

don’t show up in ultrasounds and nothing has been resolved when I had

those

tests. I don’t want to have them open it all up to find out what is

wrong

and all my research last night didn’t come across a single incidence of endometriosis in a menopausal woman who never had it before. I have

posted

the question on the endometriosis newsgroup in case someone there knows.

If

it is possible for that to happen because of the one ovary though, it

has to

be dealt with. It’s just that I don’t want to neglect a pain that is so chronic. Along

with

the diarrhea and seeming food intolerance. This is not in the stomach

area

at all. It’s all below the waist. It has to mean something is wrong. Or

if

it is "just" IBS, that should be ascertained. Or if the one ovary should

be

removed. It just does not feel right. It is complicated because

everything

in there affects everything else. I haven’t taken anything yet. I got the pills and will try the zantec. I

was

also given tylenol 3 with codeine and am afraid of it. Would you take it

for > > abdominal pain? > > Terri <vl-hb…@erols.com

wrote in message

> > news:vl-hb001-A56429.08262027062001@news.erols.com… > > > In article <9jd_6.567568$166.11796…@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com>, > > > "pouringrain" <pennyl…@nospam.com> wrote: > > > > I thought it could not be endometriosis because I have no uterus. Isn’t

that right? I have only one ovary left. If your hysterectomy/oopherectomy were relatively recent and there was no diagnosis of endometriosis made at that time, it’s highly unlikely now. I decided to take nothing (don’t have the car to pick up the new prescription anyway, will try it tomorrow). I will get a new doctor.

I

wanted to keep the same doctor, I kept giving him a chance, but

really I

have to live my life and he is not helping me. It’s entirely possible that this doctor is right and that your problem is high secretion of stomach acid. This has nothing to do with what

you

eat or don’t eat. The problem lies in the acid the stomach produces. Most of the Zantac type drugs (H2 inhibitors) are now otc at 1/2 the prescription dose. To get the prescription dose then, you just have to take two of them. So try his/her advice for a few days. You have

nothing

to lose since you aren’t likely to get an appointment with a new

doctor

immediately anyway. Eat small amounts frequently. Try cutting out all dairy and wheat for a few days and stick to mostly fruits and veggies. As a counterpoint to Linda’s experience, I was grossly overtreated and seriously harmed for what turned out to be a simple case of GERD and a minor esophageal ulcer. A doctor who rushes to do every test in the

book

and who thinks zebras when he hears hoofbeats can be very dangerous to your health. So make an appointment with a new doctor if you want to switch

doctors,

but take the advice of your current one until you can get to see the

new

one. Please throw the "old antibiotics" you have squirreled away into the garbage. Hormones are most certainly not likely to be of any help. I note that you said you were able to sleep despite the pain because

you

were "sedated." Drugs can mask serious problems, and if I were you I wouldn’t take painkillers or any other sedation and see just how

severe

the pain is/becomes with nothing. If the pain becomes very severe a visit to the ER is certainly justified. Terri I know most of you would not put up with this. That is why I wrote. I needed some support. Thanks

all > > > > of > > > > you. > > > > Linda Scheimann <uscho…@yahoo.com

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> > > > news:Quc_6.15646$G25.6076@newsfeed.slurp.net… > > > > > Be especially careful here if you have constipation, with or without

alternating diarrhea. I had emergency surgery in December for what turned out to be severe endometriosis which had "strangled" both my small

and

large intestine, requiring two resections. I had almost complete

blockage in

two places. The pain I had was not touched by painkillers the final

three

nights before I went into the emergency room. I also had nausea, and was eating and drinking very little during the days. Endometriosis cannot be diagnosed positively without surgery,

usually

laparoscopy. In my case because of the intestinal involvement, it

was

a general abdominal exploratory, and resulted in a hysterectomy in addition to the resections. Gwen is absolutely correct in saying you should not be adding

hormones

to your system until you have a satisfactory diagnosis for your

current > > > > > discomfort. > > > > > Linda > > > > > gs <he…@rest.com

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> > news:1D2E53D01A43626D.B6AC763A129782E4.45687DD0D5093764@lp.airnews.net.. > > > > > . > > > > > > "pouringrain" <pennyl…@nospam.com

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> > > > > > news:lv9_6.565845$166.11742017@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com… > > > > > > > After having the increasing abdominal pain for almost 2 weeks and

not thinking I’d live thru the night but sedated enough to be fall asleep, I saw my g.p. today and he examined me and said it sounded like too

much

acid. He said it was not likely to be anything else. So he prescribed a thing like Zantec only prescription so it is stronger, and said take one before every meal. Now, really, I have not been living on acid foods. I’ve

been

eating minimally because everything bothers me. I can’t eat meals. I

can

eat maybe water mixed with grape juice, one banana, one toast, several

hours

apart to be sure no one of them is making the pain worse. Last night a

few

slices of meat gave me extreme pain for hours. Tylenol didn’t touch it.

So

do I go get the Zantec and take it? Or should I take some estrogen?

Supposedly

the digestive problems could be from being in mid cycle, is that

when

estrogen is low? Or is it progesterone I am low on? Prior to the onset

of

this digestive malady I was eating fine when I was in my high cycle (right around ovulation). For me the effect of ovulation seems to last for

weeks

sometimes. It’s not the ovary only. It’s the whole abdomen.

Why

are they all involved? Or should I take more thyroid ? Too little is also implicated in digestive problems. I recently was taking too much but eating everything I wanted. But that brought increased anxiety. So I cut back. Or should I take some old antibiotics? I have two kinds. This could be a UTI.

They

often started like this, not always in the bladder itself. Or should

I

go to the local clinic for their opinion?

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From: "pouringrain" pennyl…@nospam.com Date: 6/27/01 5:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time

[snip symptoms,etc]

And I do feel minimized by my g.p. who has known me for 4 years and yet is too overworked to try to help me by studying all the complicated history. I can’t blame him, I have to seek help elsewhere which I am now doing, so far haven’t got a new dr. and will try again tomorrow.

Please hurry to find a doctor and keep us posted. Sharon…I live in Another Dimension, but I have a summer home in Reality

Response:

Hi, pouringrain – If you don’t find a new doctor in the next day or two, you might try the ER route when you are in a lot of pain.  They likely will take xrays to determine if you have an intestinal blockage. Hopefully they can rule that out!   Remote diagnosis isn’t worth the screen it appears on, but let me share a concern (out of recent experience).  You have a history of abdominal surgery, so it’s logical to suspect adhesions. Because your small intestine squirms around a lot, it can get trapped by a band of connective tissue (adhesion).  And become partially or completely blocked.  Your symptoms – inability to eat without pain, diarrhea, abdominal pain, fit that picture.  Is your abdomen distended or bloated?  Are you nauseated or vomiting at all?  Those are a couple more symptoms.  If you have a complete blockage, the symptoms – particularly pain, nausea and vomiting – become acute pretty quickly. My 2 cents worth – I hope my screen diagnosis is way off the wall, because the fix is surgery.  At least it’s something to rule out.  if Zantac helps, it’s not likely to be a blockage. Oh, yeah – if you have a county medical society, they may be able to point you to a doctor who is accepting new patients.  I’ve used a c.m.s. a couple of times when I was new in town. Good luck! FurPaw – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -pouringrain wrote:

Hi Terri I take xanax for anxiety, and that is what I meant by sedated. I have to take between .12 and .25 mg a day lately. It calms my brain even though it does not touch any pain I have. My psych. authorized me to take it 3 times a day but I never needed that much and that makes me too out of it. (sleepy). I tried to find a new dr. locally today and none were taking new patients. I will try again tomorrow. I have to find someone who will look at my history and at least see if it could be something related to my old surgeries. The hysterecomy was in 1976 following childbirth when I hemorrhaged. I was left with one ovary. Then I had the appendix out in 1983. I know that adhesions don’t show up in ultrasounds and nothing has been resolved when I had those tests. I don’t want to have them open it all up to find out what is wrong and all my research last night didn’t come across a single incidence of endometriosis in a menopausal woman who never had it before. I have posted the question on the endometriosis newsgroup in case someone there knows. If it is possible for that to happen because of the one ovary though, it has to be dealt with. It’s just that I don’t want to neglect a pain that is so chronic. Along with the diarrhea and seeming food intolerance. This is not in the stomach area at all. It’s all below the waist. It has to mean something is wrong. Or if it is "just" IBS, that should be ascertained. Or if the one ovary should be removed. It just does not feel right. It is complicated because everything in there affects everything else. I haven’t taken anything yet. I got the pills and will try the zantec. I was also given tylenol 3 with codeine and am afraid of it. Would you take it for abdominal pain? Terri <vl-hb…@erols.com wrote in message news:vl-hb001-A56429.08262027062001@news.erols.com… In article <9jd_6.567568$166.11796…@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com, "pouringrain" <pennyl…@nospam.com wrote: I thought it could not be endometriosis because I have no uterus. Isn’t that right? I have only one ovary left. If your hysterectomy/oopherectomy were relatively recent and there was no diagnosis of endometriosis made at that time, it’s highly unlikely now. I decided to take nothing (don’t have the car to pick up the new prescription anyway, will try it tomorrow). I will get a new doctor. I wanted to keep the same doctor, I kept giving him a chance, but really I have to live my life and he is not helping me. It’s entirely possible that this doctor is right and that your problem is high secretion of stomach acid. This has nothing to do with what you eat or don’t eat. The problem lies in the acid the stomach produces. Most of the Zantac type drugs (H2 inhibitors) are now otc at 1/2 the prescription dose. To get the prescription dose then, you just have to take two of them. So try his/her advice for a few days. You have nothing to lose since you aren’t likely to get an appointment with a new doctor immediately anyway. Eat small amounts frequently. Try cutting out all dairy and wheat for a few days and stick to mostly fruits and veggies. As a counterpoint to Linda’s experience, I was grossly overtreated and seriously harmed for what turned out to be a simple case of GERD and a minor esophageal ulcer. A doctor who rushes to do every test in the book and who thinks zebras when he hears hoofbeats can be very dangerous to your health. So make an appointment with a new doctor if you want to switch doctors, but take the advice of your current one until you can get to see the new one. Please throw the "old antibiotics" you have squirreled away into the garbage. Hormones are most certainly not likely to be of any help. I note that you said you were able to sleep despite the pain because you were "sedated." Drugs can mask serious problems, and if I were you I wouldn’t take painkillers or any other sedation and see just how severe the pain is/becomes with nothing. If the pain becomes very severe a visit to the ER is certainly justified. Terri I know most of you would not put up with this. That is why I wrote. I needed some support. Thanks all of you. Linda Scheimann <uscho…@yahoo.com wrote in message news:Quc_6.15646$G25.6076@newsfeed.slurp.net… Be especially careful here if you have constipation, with or without alternating diarrhea. I had emergency surgery in December for what turned out to be severe endometriosis which had "strangled" both my small and large intestine, requiring two resections. I had almost complete blockage in two places. The pain I had was not touched by painkillers the final three nights before I went into the emergency room. I also had nausea, and was eating and drinking very little during the days. Endometriosis cannot be diagnosed positively without surgery, usually laparoscopy. In my case because of the intestinal involvement, it was a general abdominal exploratory, and resulted in a hysterectomy in addition to the resections. Gwen is absolutely correct in saying you should not be adding hormones to your system until you have a satisfactory diagnosis for your current discomfort. Linda gs <he…@rest.com wrote in message news:1D2E53D01A43626D.B6AC763A129782E4.45687DD0D5093764@lp.airnews.net.. . "pouringrain" <pennyl…@nospam.com wrote in message news:lv9_6.565845$166.11742017@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com… After having the increasing abdominal pain for almost 2 weeks and not thinking I’d live thru the night but sedated enough to be fall asleep, I saw my g.p. today and he examined me and said it sounded like too much acid. He said it was not likely to be anything else. So he prescribed a thing like Zantec only prescription so it is stronger, and said take one before every meal. Now, really, I have not been living on acid foods. I’ve been eating minimally because everything bothers me. I can’t eat meals. I can eat maybe water mixed with grape juice, one banana, one toast, several hours apart to be sure no one of them is making the pain worse. Last night a few slices of meat gave me extreme pain for hours. Tylenol didn’t touch it. So do I go get the Zantec and take it? Or should I take some estrogen? Supposedly the digestive problems could be from being in mid cycle, is that when estrogen is low? Or is it progesterone I am low on? Prior to the onset of this digestive malady I was eating fine when I was in my high cycle (right around ovulation). For me the effect of ovulation seems to last for weeks sometimes. It’s not the ovary only. It’s the whole abdomen. Why are they all involved? Or should I take more thyroid ? Too little is also implicated in digestive problems. I recently was taking too much but eating everything I wanted. But that brought increased anxiety. So I cut back. Or should I take some old antibiotics? I have two kinds. This could be a UTI. They often started like this, not always in the bladder itself. Or should I go to the local clinic for their opinion? Or should I just say forget the whole thing. I feel like taking either nothing, or one of everything, going ahead and eating whatever is around, and if I get worse or better or stay the same, fine. The long hour drive to my dr. is almost never worth it. He spent no more than ten minutes with me this time and I forgot to ask him several things and on the way there I had to put gas in my car and I lost

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I have thought about the gall bladder being the cause. IT doesn’t seem to be and my doctor has always said my symptoms don’t fit that. I did have a cyst on the gall bladder in the last ultrasound in Jan. but they said that meant nothing. Very occasionally like twice a year or less, I have had that type of pain in the upper area below the ribs following a greasy meal. But what I have now is all in the lower right when it feels like a squeezing in one spot, alternating with queasiness I can’t describe, like an allover pain in the whole abdomen below the navel. With sometimes a milder form with a kind of nausea and queasiness. Food may or may not affect it; sometimes it remains the same whether I eat or not, which makes me think of other things besides IBS – still wondering if it is the ovary. It will be heavy, then subside in waves, then come back etc. It is never so horrible (it never feels like the appendicitis I well remember in 1983). It is a long dull ache usually. It just doesn’t feel right to have it drag on for eleven days now. And I do feel minimized by my g.p. who has known me for 4 years and yet is too overworked to try to help me by studying all the complicated history. I can’t blame him, I have to seek help elsewhere which I am now doing, so far haven’t got a new dr. and will try again tomorrow. Lois Hellebust <hell…@kansas.net

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> news:lv9_6.565845$166.11742017@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com… > > After having the increasing abdominal pain for almost 2 weeks and not > > thinking I’d live thru the night but sedated enough to be fall asleep, I > saw > > my g.p. today and he examined me and said it sounded like too much acid. > He > > said it was not likely to be anything else. So he prescribed a thing like

Zantec only prescription so it is stronger, and said take one before

every

meal. Now, really, I have not been living on acid foods. I’ve been

eating

minimally because everything bothers me. I can’t eat meals. I can eat maybe water mixed with grape juice, one banana, one toast, several hours apart to be sure no one of them is making the pain worse. Last night a few slices of meat gave me extreme pain for hours. Tylenol didn’t touch it. So do I go get the Zantec and take it? Or should I take some estrogen? Supposedly the digestive problems could be from being in mid cycle, is that when

estrogen

is low? Or is it progesterone I am low on? Prior to the onset of this digestive malady I was eating fine when I was in my high cycle (right around ovulation). For me the effect of ovulation seems to last for weeks sometimes. It’s not the ovary only. It’s the whole abdomen. Why are they all involved? Or should I take more thyroid ? Too little is also implicated

in

digestive problems. I recently was taking too much but eating everything

I

wanted. But that brought increased anxiety. So I cut back. Or should I take some old antibiotics? I have two kinds. This could be a UTI. They often started like this, not always in the bladder itself. Or should I go to

the

local clinic for their opinion? Or should I just say forget the whole thing. I feel like taking either nothing, or one of everything, going ahead and eating whatever is around, and if I get worse or better or stay the

same,

fine. The long hour drive to my dr. is almost never worth it. He spent

no

more than ten minutes with me this time and I forgot to ask him several things and on the way there I had to put gas in my car and I lost the

gas

cap. I am just feeling fed up. My mom needs me, I can’t travel with this constant pain and diarrhea, and I am given a nostrum by my g.p. and no tests offered. I don’t feel well enough to travel, while my sister in law and brother get madder and madder at me. I suppose my problem is not being assertive enough. How can I get some

of

that? I don’t feel that way unless I feel well. I made the huge effort

to

go see the dr. and was brushed away as usual and I hoped at least he would refer me to a gastroenterologist but he said that was not necessary. Having just had my gall bladder removed I suppose I have it on my mind. However there are some tests that can be run to eliminate that as a

possible

problem.  It might be worth asking a doctor about it. I had a couple of severe attacks lasting about 16 hours a piece and also some more minor ones that just made me feel gasy.  When I had the first severe attack I went to the emergency room where they first thought it

might

be appendics.  A couple of hours later when the surgeon finally got there the pain had decreased and he was not comfortable operating since by that time I was feeling better.  Between these attacks I was feeling OK.  Fatty food is suppose to bring on these attacks.  I found some correlation but sometimes eating such food bothered me and sometimes it didn’t.  I noticed you said your pain got worse after eating some meat which would at times bother me too.  Most of the time the attacks started about 3 or 4 in the morning and steadily got worse.  Does this sound familiar to you? I only mention all this because some of what you are describing sounds

like

what I was experiencing.  Please don’t take this as a diagnosis but

thought

it might be something to consider.  In my case it took a trip to the emergency room, several months of waiting to see if the attacks happened again, 3 more doctor visits plus 3 or 4 visits to the lab and the hospital for tests before it was finally diagnosed.  The surgery itself was on an outpatient basis and now, a week and a half later I’m feeling great and

the

four small incisions are almost healed! In any case please get yourself to a doctor who will take you seriously

and

find out what is wrong – even if it takes several visits.  Good Luck! Lois

Response:

Hi Terri I take xanax for anxiety, and that is what I meant by sedated. I have to take between .12 and .25 mg a day lately. It calms my brain even though it does not touch any pain I have. My psych. authorized me to take it 3 times a day but I never needed that much and that makes me too out of it. (sleepy). I tried to find a new dr. locally today and none were taking new patients. I will try again tomorrow. I have to find someone who will look at my history and at least see if it could be something related to my old surgeries. The hysterecomy was in 1976 following childbirth when I hemorrhaged. I was left with one ovary. Then I had the appendix out in 1983. I know that adhesions don’t show up in ultrasounds and nothing has been resolved when I had those tests. I don’t want to have them open it all up to find out what is wrong and all my research last night didn’t come across a single incidence of endometriosis in a menopausal woman who never had it before. I have posted the question on the endometriosis newsgroup in case someone there knows. If it is possible for that to happen because of the one ovary though, it has to be dealt with. It’s just that I don’t want to neglect a pain that is so chronic. Along with the diarrhea and seeming food intolerance. This is not in the stomach area at all. It’s all below the waist. It has to mean something is wrong. Or if it is "just" IBS, that should be ascertained. Or if the one ovary should be removed. It just does not feel right. It is complicated because everything in there affects everything else. I haven’t taken anything yet. I got the pills and will try the zantec. I was also given tylenol 3 with codeine and am afraid of it. Would you take it for abdominal pain? Terri <vl-hb…@erols.com

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news:vl-hb001-A56429.08262027062001@news.erols.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <9jd_6.567568$166.11796…@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com>, > "pouringrain" <pennyl…@nospam.com> wrote: > > I thought it could not be endometriosis because I have no uterus. Isn’t > > that > > right? I have only one ovary left. > If your hysterectomy/oopherectomy were relatively recent and there was > no diagnosis of endometriosis made at that time, it’s highly unlikely > now. > > I decided to take nothing (don’t have the car to pick up the new > > prescription anyway, will try it tomorrow). I will get a new doctor. I > > wanted to keep the same doctor, I kept giving him a chance, but really I > > have to live my life and he is not helping me. > It’s entirely possible that this doctor is right and that your problem > is high secretion of stomach acid. This has nothing to do with what you > eat or don’t eat. The problem lies in the acid the stomach produces. > Most of the Zantac type drugs (H2 inhibitors) are now otc at 1/2 the > prescription dose. To get the prescription dose then, you just have to > take two of them. So try his/her advice for a few days. You have nothing > to lose since you aren’t likely to get an appointment with a new doctor > immediately anyway. Eat small amounts frequently. Try cutting out all > dairy and wheat for a few days and stick to mostly fruits and veggies. > As a counterpoint to Linda’s experience, I was grossly overtreated and > seriously harmed for what turned out to be a simple case of GERD and a > minor esophageal ulcer. A doctor who rushes to do every test in the book > and who thinks zebras when he hears hoofbeats can be very dangerous to > your health. > So make an appointment with a new doctor if you want to switch doctors, > but take the advice of your current one until you can get to see the new > one. Please throw the "old antibiotics" you have squirreled away into > the garbage. Hormones are most certainly not likely to be of any help. > I note that you said you were able to sleep despite the pain because you > were "sedated." Drugs can mask serious problems, and if I were you I > wouldn’t take painkillers or any other sedation and see just how severe > the pain is/becomes with nothing. If the pain becomes very severe a > visit to the ER is certainly justified. > Terri > > I know most of you would > > not > > put up with this. That is why I wrote. I needed some support. Thanks all > > of > > you. > > Linda Scheimann <uscho…@yahoo.com

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> > news:Quc_6.15646$G25.6076@newsfeed.slurp.net… > > > Be especially careful here if you have constipation, with or without > > > alternating diarrhea. I had emergency surgery in December for what > > > turned > > > out to be severe endometriosis which had "strangled" both my small and > > large > > > intestine, requiring two resections. I had almost complete blockage in > > > two > > > places. The pain I had was not touched by painkillers the final three > > nights > > > before I went into the emergency room. I also had nausea, and was > > > eating > > and > > > drinking very little during the days. > > > Endometriosis cannot be diagnosed positively without surgery, usually > > > laparoscopy. In my case because of the intestinal involvement, it was a > > > general abdominal exploratory, and resulted in a hysterectomy in > > > addition > > to > > > the resections. > > > Gwen is absolutely correct in saying you should not be adding hormones > > > to > > > your system until you have a satisfactory diagnosis for your current > > > discomfort. > > > Linda > > > gs <he…@rest.com

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> > > > news:lv9_6.565845$166.11742017@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com… > > > > > After having the increasing abdominal pain for almost 2 weeks and > > > > > not > > > > > thinking I’d live thru the night but sedated enough to be fall > > > > > asleep, > > I > > > > saw > > > > > my g.p. today and he examined me and said it sounded like too much > > acid. > > > > He > > > > > said it was not likely to be anything else. So he prescribed a > > > > > thing > > > like > > > > > Zantec only prescription so it is stronger, and said take one > > > > > before > > > every > > > > > meal. Now, really, I have not been living on acid foods. I’ve been > > > eating > > > > > minimally because everything bothers me. I can’t eat meals. I can > > > > > eat > > > > maybe > > > > > water mixed with grape juice, one banana, one toast, several hours > > apart > > > > to > > > > > be sure no one of them is making the pain worse. Last night a few > > slices > > > > of > > > > > meat gave me extreme pain for hours. Tylenol didn’t touch it. So do

I go get the Zantec and take it? Or should I take some estrogen? Supposedly the digestive problems could be from being in mid cycle, is that when estrogen is low? Or is it progesterone I am low on? Prior to the onset of this digestive malady I was eating fine when I was in my high cycle (right around ovulation). For me the effect of ovulation seems to last for weeks sometimes. It’s not the ovary only. It’s the whole abdomen. Why

are

they all involved? Or should I take more thyroid ? Too little is also implicated in digestive problems. I recently was taking too much but eating everything I wanted. But that brought increased anxiety. So I cut back. Or should I take some old antibiotics? I have two kinds. This could be a UTI. They often started like this, not always in the bladder itself. Or should I

go

to the local clinic for their opinion? Or should I just say forget the whole thing. I feel like taking either nothing, or one of everything, going ahead and eating whatever is around, and if I get worse or better or stay

the

same, fine. The long hour drive to my dr. is almost never worth it. He spent no more than ten minutes with me this time and I forgot to ask him several things and on the way there I had to put gas in my car and I lost the gas cap. I am just feeling fed up. My mom needs me, I can’t travel

with

this constant pain and diarrhea, and I am given a nostrum by my g.p.

and

no tests offered. I don’t feel well enough to travel, while my sister in

law

and brother get madder and madder at me. I suppose my problem is not being assertive enough. How can I get some of that? I don’t feel that way unless I feel well. I made the huge effort to go see the dr. and was brushed away as usual and I hoped at least he would refer me to a gastroenterologist but he said that was not necessary. Get a new doctor! There could be many things wrong just as easily as nothing. A doctor that treats you this way should be FIRED! I have a lot of acid. My problem is with indigestion and nausea, not my intestines at all. The only pain I have is in my stomach. This is just how too much acid effects me, and others could have other effects. Have you looked into irritable bowel syndrome (IBS)? http://www.iffgd.org/ It could also be a gyn probolem, they do show up with these symptoms sometimes. What type of exam did the doctor do? What questions did he ask?  I wouldn’t try estrogen or progesterone until I KNEW what the  problem was, since they could add to a problem or even cause one! Gwen

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After having the increasing abdominal pain for almost 2 weeks and not thinking I’d live thru the night but sedated enough to be fall asleep, I

saw

my g.p. today and he examined me and said it sounded like too much acid.

He

said it was not likely to be anything else. So he prescribed a thing like Zantec only prescription so it is stronger, and said take one before every meal. Now, really, I have not been living on acid foods. I’ve been eating minimally because everything bothers me. I can’t eat meals. I can eat

maybe

water mixed with grape juice, one banana, one toast, several hours apart

to

be sure no one of them is making the pain worse. Last night a few slices

of

meat gave me extreme pain for hours. Tylenol didn’t touch it. So do I go

get

the Zantec and take it? Or should I take some estrogen? Supposedly the digestive problems could be from being in mid cycle, is that when estrogen is low? Or is it progesterone I am low on? Prior to the onset of this digestive malady I was eating fine when I was in my high cycle (right

around

ovulation). For me the effect of ovulation seems to last for weeks sometimes. It’s not the ovary only. It’s the whole abdomen. Why are they

all

involved? Or should I take more thyroid ? Too little is also implicated in digestive problems. I recently was taking too much but eating everything I wanted. But that brought increased anxiety. So I cut back. Or should I

take

some old antibiotics? I have two kinds. This could be a UTI. They often started like this, not always in the bladder itself. Or should I go to the local clinic for their opinion? Or should I just say forget the whole

thing.

I feel like taking either nothing, or one of everything, going ahead and eating whatever is around, and if I get worse or better or stay the same, fine. The long hour drive to my dr. is almost never worth it. He spent no more than ten minutes with me this time and I forgot to ask him several things and on the way there I had to put gas in my car and I lost the gas cap. I am just feeling fed up. My mom needs me, I can’t travel with this constant pain and diarrhea, and I am given a nostrum by my g.p. and no

tests

offered. I don’t feel well enough to travel, while my sister in law and brother get madder and madder at me. I suppose my problem is not being assertive enough. How can I get some of that? I don’t feel that way unless I feel well. I made the huge effort to

go

see the dr. and was brushed away as usual and I hoped at least he would refer me to a gastroenterologist but he said that was not necessary.

Having just had my gall bladder removed I suppose I have it on my mind. However there are some tests that can be run to eliminate that as a possible problem.  It might be worth asking a doctor about it. I had a couple of severe attacks lasting about 16 hours a piece and also some more minor ones that just made me feel gasy.  When I had the first severe attack I went to the emergency room where they first thought it might be appendics.  A couple of hours later when the surgeon finally got there the pain had decreased and he was not comfortable operating since by that time I was feeling better.  Between these attacks I was feeling OK.  Fatty food is suppose to bring on these attacks.  I found some correlation but sometimes eating such food bothered me and sometimes it didn’t.  I noticed you said your pain got worse after eating some meat which would at times bother me too.  Most of the time the attacks started about 3 or 4 in the morning and steadily got worse.  Does this sound familiar to you? I only mention all this because some of what you are describing sounds like what I was experiencing.  Please don’t take this as a diagnosis but thought it might be something to consider.  In my case it took a trip to the emergency room, several months of waiting to see if the attacks happened again, 3 more doctor visits plus 3 or 4 visits to the lab and the hospital for tests before it was finally diagnosed.  The surgery itself was on an outpatient basis and now, a week and a half later I’m feeling great and the four small incisions are almost healed! In any case please get yourself to a doctor who will take you seriously and find out what is wrong – even if it takes several visits.  Good Luck! Lois – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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pouringrain wrote: After having the increasing abdominal pain for almost 2 weeks and not thinking I’d live thru the night but sedated enough to be fall asleep, I

saw

my g.p. today and he examined me and said it sounded like too much acid.

He

said it was not likely to be anything else. So he prescribed a thing

like

Zantec only prescription so it is stronger, and said take one before

every

meal. Now, really, I have not been living on acid foods. I’ve been

eating

minimally because everything bothers me. I can’t eat meals. I can eat

maybe

water mixed with grape juice, one banana, one toast, several hours apart

to

be sure no one of them is making the pain worse. Last night a few slices

of

meat gave me extreme pain for hours. OK, let’s try to sort this out. You don’t have to eat acid foods to generate stomach acid. Heck, stress alone can do that, as can a variety of conditions. Eating too little can cause just as many acid problems as eating too much – I get terrible heartburn, for instance, if I skip several meals, especially if I’m drinking coffee in between. Just out of curiosity’s sake, has your doctor checked you for gall bladder disease? While it often manifests as a pain in the right side, the pain can be generalized enough that it feels as if your whole gut is under attack. Been there, done that; a change of diet turned out to be the solution for me. Since you also mention diarrhea, Irritable Bowel Syndrome comes to mind. But (a) I’m not a doctor and (b) I don’t know more about your symptoms than you’ve told us, so this is mere speculation. Tylenol didn’t touch it. If it’s an acid problem, Tylenol wouldn’t touch it. So do I go get the Zantec and take it? Or should I take some estrogen? Whew. That’s a big – and kind of odd – either/or. Despite all the claims sometimes made for estrogen, I’ve *never* heard it prescribed for stomach pain. Even if the digestive problems are related to your cycle, treating the symptom seems to be a more direct approach than taking a drug that affects your entire system, and hoping it’ll stop the stomach pain. Supposedly the digestive problems could be from being in mid cycle, is that when

estrogen

is low? Or is it progesterone I am low on? Prior to the onset of this digestive malady I was eating fine when I was in my high cycle (right

around

ovulation). For me the effect of ovulation seems to last for weeks sometimes. It’s not the ovary only. It’s the whole abdomen. Why are they

all

involved? Because the abdomen is packed with organsm blood vessels and nerves; what irritates or inflames one may irritate another. In my youth, when I had bad menstrual cramps, they often coincided with diarrhea or bowel cramps. Or should I take more thyroid ? Too little is also implicated in digestive problems. I recently was taking too much but eating everything

I

wanted. But that brought increased anxiety. So I cut back. Or should I

take

some old antibiotics? Never, ever take old antibiotics. Throw them away. They lose effectiveness, and taking antibiotics when you don’t need them is a good way to set yourself up for antibiotic-resistant infections. I have two kinds. This could be a UTI. They often started like this, not always in the bladder itself. Or should I go to

the

local clinic for their opinion? Or should I just say forget the whole

thing.

Why not try what the doctor prescribed? If you don’t trust him/her, sure, a second opinion is a fine idea. But it sounds as if you’re doing a lot of second-guessing here in an effort to diagnose and treat yourself. I feel like taking either nothing, or one of everything, going ahead and eating whatever is around, and if I get worse or better or stay the

same,

fine. The long hour drive to my dr. is almost never worth it. He spent

no

more than ten minutes with me this time and I forgot to ask him several things and on the way there I had to put gas in my car and I lost the

gas

cap. I am just feeling fed up. My mom needs me, I can’t travel with this constant pain and diarrhea, and I am given a nostrum by my g.p. and no

tests

offered. I don’t feel well enough to travel, while my sister in law and brother get madder and madder at me. Lots of stuff to pile on top of the pain, for sure. What business is this of your brother and sister-in-law’s, anyway? Can you find a way to tell them to take a hike? I suppose my problem is not being assertive enough. How can I get some

of

that? I don’t feel that way unless I feel well. I made the huge effort

to go

see the dr. and was brushed away as usual and I hoped at least he would refer me to a gastroenterologist but he said that was not necessary. OK, it sounds as if you have a busy doctor who may well be an insensitive jerk. Changing physicians to find one you get along with better might be a good idea. In the meantime, though, why not try the prescription? If it works, great. If it doesn’t, then you’ll have ruled out whatever-it-is the present doctor thinks is wrong with you, and you can go on to the next thing. An awful lot of medical diagnosis is based on starting with the simplest cause of a given problem and ruling that out before going on to the more complicated ones. Hang in there, –Pat Kight kig…@peak.org

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That is right, the stress of people’s demands  is quite a bit lately, but why on earth would it cause abdominal pain.

My older daughter (she’s 24) -always- suffers abdominal pain when she’s under excessive stress.  (Finals week, loans closing, waiting for her divorce, etc.)  I, too, have suffered severe abdominal cramps (though fairly short in duration: a mere few hours) after dealing with particularly stressful things.  Stress affects different people different ways, but I think abdominal pain is a fairly common reaction. I still think, however, that further tests–or at least a doctor who actually *listens* is in order. Marilee

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pouringrain wrote:

After having the increasing abdominal pain for almost 2 weeks and not thinking I’d live thru the night but sedated enough to be fall asleep, I saw my g.p. today and he examined me and said it sounded like too much acid. He said it was not likely to be anything else. So he prescribed a thing like Zantec only prescription so it is stronger, and said take one before every meal. Now, really, I have not been living on acid foods. I’ve been eating minimally because everything bothers me. I can’t eat meals. I can eat maybe water mixed with grape juice, one banana, one toast, several hours apart to be sure no one of them is making the pain worse. Last night a few slices of meat gave me extreme pain for hours.

OK, let’s try to sort this out. You don’t have to eat acid foods to generate stomach acid. Heck, stress alone can do that, as can a variety of conditions. Eating too little can cause just as many acid problems as eating too much – I get terrible heartburn, for instance, if I skip several meals, especially if I’m drinking coffee in between. Just out of curiosity’s sake, has your doctor checked you for gall bladder disease? While it often manifests as a pain in the right side, the pain can be generalized enough that it feels as if your whole gut is under attack. Been there, done that; a change of diet turned out to be the solution for me. Since you also mention diarrhea, Irritable Bowel Syndrome comes to mind. But (a) I’m not a doctor and (b) I don’t know more about your symptoms than you’ve told us, so this is mere speculation.

Tylenol didn’t touch it.

If it’s an acid problem, Tylenol wouldn’t touch it.

So do I go get the Zantec and take it? Or should I take some estrogen?

Whew. That’s a big – and kind of odd – either/or. Despite all the claims sometimes made for estrogen, I’ve *never* heard it prescribed for stomach pain. Even if the digestive problems are related to your cycle, treating the symptom seems to be a more direct approach than taking a drug that affects your entire system, and hoping it’ll stop the stomach pain.

Supposedly the digestive problems could be from being in mid cycle, is that when estrogen is low? Or is it progesterone I am low on? Prior to the onset of this digestive malady I was eating fine when I was in my high cycle (right around ovulation). For me the effect of ovulation seems to last for weeks sometimes. It’s not the ovary only. It’s the whole abdomen. Why are they all involved?

Because the abdomen is packed with organsm blood vessels and nerves; what irritates or inflames one may irritate another. In my youth, when I had bad menstrual cramps, they often coincided with diarrhea or bowel cramps.

Or should I take more thyroid ? Too little is also implicated in digestive problems. I recently was taking too much but eating everything I wanted. But that brought increased anxiety. So I cut back. Or should I take some old antibiotics?

Never, ever take old antibiotics. Throw them away. They lose effectiveness, and taking antibiotics when you don’t need them is a good way to set yourself up for antibiotic-resistant infections.

I have two kinds. This could be a UTI. They often started like this, not always in the bladder itself. Or should I go to the local clinic for their opinion? Or should I just say forget the whole thing.

Why not try what the doctor prescribed? If you don’t trust him/her, sure, a second opinion is a fine idea. But it sounds as if you’re doing a lot of second-guessing here in an effort to diagnose and treat yourself.

I feel like taking either nothing, or one of everything, going ahead and eating whatever is around, and if I get worse or better or stay the same, fine. The long hour drive to my dr. is almost never worth it. He spent no more than ten minutes with me this time and I forgot to ask him several things and on the way there I had to put gas in my car and I lost the gas cap. I am just feeling fed up. My mom needs me, I can’t travel with this constant pain and diarrhea, and I am given a nostrum by my g.p. and no tests offered. I don’t feel well enough to travel, while my sister in law and brother get madder and madder at me.

Lots of stuff to pile on top of the pain, for sure. What business is this of your brother and sister-in-law’s, anyway? Can you find a way to tell them to take a hike?

I suppose my problem is not being assertive enough. How can I get some of that? I don’t feel that way unless I feel well. I made the huge effort to go see the dr. and was brushed away as usual and I hoped at least he would refer me to a gastroenterologist but he said that was not necessary.

OK, it sounds as if you have a busy doctor who may well be an insensitive jerk. Changing physicians to find one you get along with better might be a good idea. In the meantime, though, why not try the prescription? If it works, great. If it doesn’t, then you’ll have ruled out whatever-it-is the present doctor thinks is wrong with you, and you can go on to the next thing. An awful lot of medical diagnosis is based on starting with the simplest cause of a given problem and ruling that out before going on to the more complicated ones. Hang in there, –Pat Kight kig…@peak.org

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,

"pouringrain" <pennyl…@nospam.com

wrote: I thought it could not be endometriosis because I have no uterus. Isn’t that right? I have only one ovary left.

If your hysterectomy/oopherectomy were relatively recent and there was no diagnosis of endometriosis made at that time, it’s highly unlikely now.

I decided to take nothing (don’t have the car to pick up the new prescription anyway, will try it tomorrow). I will get a new doctor. I wanted to keep the same doctor, I kept giving him a chance, but really I have to live my life and he is not helping me.

It’s entirely possible that this doctor is right and that your problem is high secretion of stomach acid. This has nothing to do with what you eat or don’t eat. The problem lies in the acid the stomach produces. Most of the Zantac type drugs (H2 inhibitors) are now otc at 1/2 the prescription dose. To get the prescription dose then, you just have to take two of them. So try his/her advice for a few days. You have nothing to lose since you aren’t likely to get an appointment with a new doctor immediately anyway. Eat small amounts frequently. Try cutting out all dairy and wheat for a few days and stick to mostly fruits and veggies. As a counterpoint to Linda’s experience, I was grossly overtreated and seriously harmed for what turned out to be a simple case of GERD and a minor esophageal ulcer. A doctor who rushes to do every test in the book and who thinks zebras when he hears hoofbeats can be very dangerous to your health. So make an appointment with a new doctor if you want to switch doctors, but take the advice of your current one until you can get to see the new one. Please throw the "old antibiotics" you have squirreled away into the garbage. Hormones are most certainly not likely to be of any help. I note that you said you were able to sleep despite the pain because you were "sedated." Drugs can mask serious problems, and if I were you I wouldn’t take painkillers or any other sedation and see just how severe the pain is/becomes with nothing. If the pain becomes very severe a visit to the ER is certainly justified. Terri – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

I know most of you would not put up with this. That is why I wrote. I needed some support. Thanks all of you. Linda Scheimann <uscho…@yahoo.com wrote in message news:Quc_6.15646$G25.6076@newsfeed.slurp.net… Be especially careful here if you have constipation, with or without alternating diarrhea. I had emergency surgery in December for what turned out to be severe endometriosis which had "strangled" both my small and large intestine, requiring two resections. I had almost complete blockage in two places. The pain I had was not touched by painkillers the final three nights before I went into the emergency room. I also had nausea, and was eating and drinking very little during the days. Endometriosis cannot be diagnosed positively without surgery, usually laparoscopy. In my case because of the intestinal involvement, it was a general abdominal exploratory, and resulted in a hysterectomy in addition to the resections. Gwen is absolutely correct in saying you should not be adding hormones to your system until you have a satisfactory diagnosis for your current discomfort. Linda gs <he…@rest.com wrote in message news:1D2E53D01A43626D.B6AC763A129782E4.45687DD0D5093764@lp.airnews.net.. . "pouringrain" <pennyl…@nospam.com wrote in message news:lv9_6.565845$166.11742017@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com… After having the increasing abdominal pain for almost 2 weeks and not thinking I’d live thru the night but sedated enough to be fall asleep, I saw my g.p. today and he examined me and said it sounded like too much acid. He said it was not likely to be anything else. So he prescribed a thing like Zantec only prescription so it is stronger, and said take one before every meal. Now, really, I have not been living on acid foods. I’ve been eating minimally because everything bothers me. I can’t eat meals. I can eat maybe water mixed with grape juice, one banana, one toast, several hours apart to be sure no one of them is making the pain worse. Last night a few slices of meat gave me extreme pain for hours. Tylenol didn’t touch it. So do I go get the Zantec and take it? Or should I take some estrogen? Supposedly the digestive problems could be from being in mid cycle, is that when estrogen is low? Or is it progesterone I am low on? Prior to the onset of this digestive malady I was eating fine when I was in my high cycle (right around ovulation). For me the effect of ovulation seems to last for weeks sometimes. It’s not the ovary only. It’s the whole abdomen. Why are they all involved? Or should I take more thyroid ? Too little is also implicated in digestive problems. I recently was taking too much but eating everything I wanted. But that brought increased anxiety. So I cut back. Or should I take some old antibiotics? I have two kinds. This could be a UTI. They often started like this, not always in the bladder itself. Or should I go to the local clinic for their opinion? Or should I just say forget the whole thing. I feel like taking either nothing, or one of everything, going ahead and eating whatever is around, and if I get worse or better or stay the same, fine. The long hour drive to my dr. is almost never worth it. He spent no more than ten minutes with me this time and I forgot to ask him several things and on the way there I had to put gas in my car and I lost the gas cap. I am just feeling fed up. My mom needs me, I can’t travel with this constant pain and diarrhea, and I am given a nostrum by my g.p. and no tests offered. I don’t feel well enough to travel, while my sister in law and brother get madder and madder at me. I suppose my problem is not being assertive enough. How can I get some of that? I don’t feel that way unless I feel well. I made the huge effort to go see the dr. and was brushed away as usual and I hoped at least he would refer me to a gastroenterologist but he said that was not necessary. Get a new doctor! There could be many things wrong just as easily as nothing. A doctor that treats you this way should be FIRED! I have a lot of acid. My problem is with indigestion and nausea, not my intestines at all. The only pain I have is in my stomach. This is just how too much acid effects me, and others could have other effects. Have you looked into irritable bowel syndrome (IBS)? http://www.iffgd.org/ It could also be a gyn probolem, they do show up with these symptoms sometimes. What type of exam did the doctor do? What questions did   he ask?  I wouldn’t try estrogen or progesterone until I KNEW what the  problem was, since they could add to a problem or even cause one! Gwen

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I can’t answer all of your questions, but one thing struck me: forgetting to ask the doctor questions, at the appt.  If I have a bunch of questions – or even only a couple – I really want answered, I always take a list w/ me to the doctor’s (or vet’s, for that matter) office.  Otherwise, I’m *bound* to forget to ask something. Cathy — "Staccato signals of constant information…" ("The Boy in the Bubble")  Paul Simon pouringrain <pennyl…@nospam.com

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After having the increasing abdominal pain for almost 2 weeks and not thinking I’d live thru the night but sedated enough to be fall asleep, I

saw

my g.p. today and he examined me and said it sounded like too much acid.

He

said it was not likely to be anything else. So he prescribed a thing like Zantec only prescription so it is stronger, and said take one before every meal. Now, really, I have not been living on acid foods. I’ve been eating minimally because everything bothers me. I can’t eat meals. I can eat

maybe

water mixed with grape juice, one banana, one toast, several hours apart

to

be sure no one of them is making the pain worse. Last night a few slices

of

meat gave me extreme pain for hours. Tylenol didn’t touch it. So do I go

get

the Zantec and take it? Or should I take some estrogen? Supposedly the digestive problems could be from being in mid cycle, is that when estrogen is low? Or is it progesterone I am low on? Prior to the onset of this digestive malady I was eating fine when I was in my high cycle (right

around

ovulation). For me the effect of ovulation seems to last for weeks sometimes. It’s not the ovary only. It’s the whole abdomen. Why are they

all

involved? Or should I take more thyroid ? Too little is also implicated in digestive problems. I recently was taking too much but eating everything I wanted. But that brought increased anxiety. So I cut back. Or should I

take

some old antibiotics? I have two kinds. This could be a UTI. They often started like this, not always in the bladder itself. Or should I go to the local clinic for their opinion? Or should I just say forget the whole

thing.

I feel like taking either nothing, or one of everything, going ahead and eating whatever is around, and if I get worse or better or stay the same, fine. The long hour drive to my dr. is almost never worth it. He spent no more than ten minutes with me this time and I forgot to ask him several things and on the way there I had to put gas in my car and I lost the gas cap. I am just feeling fed up. My mom needs me, I can’t travel with this constant pain and diarrhea, and I am given a nostrum by my g.p. and no

tests

offered. I don’t feel well enough to travel, while my sister in law and brother get madder and madder at me. I suppose my problem is not being assertive enough. How can I get some of that? I don’t feel that way unless I feel well. I made the huge effort to

go

see the dr. and was brushed away as usual and I hoped at least he would refer me to a gastroenterologist but he said that was not necessary.

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That is right, the stress of people’s demands  is quite a bit lately, but why on earth would it cause abdominal pain. Anyway, I realize the body parts are interrelated. I am trying to be calm. I will definitely go to a new doctor who will take some interest, one in town so I don’t have to drive so far. This means just walking in to a nearby doctor’s office and asking if heor she  will take new patients. It will be pot luck – I cannot know if he/she will be any better. Can’t be worse than the one I have. But I did this before, I can do it again (it’s hard for me, but I will make a determined effort). This eve. the pain is milder so that is good at least. I ate a few normal things like an egg, some ham and some cheese, and had no ill effects. So far so good. (My daughter who has Crohns thought I might have IBS and should try the Crohns diet of no starch). If this is just the normal perimenopause, tail end, worsening at the end stuff then once again I long for the post menopausal time and may it come very soon . Marilee <mae…@polarcomm.com

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> news:lv9_6.565845$166.11742017@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com… > > After having the increasing abdominal pain for almost 2 weeks and not > > thinking I’d live thru the night but sedated enough to be fall asleep, I > saw > > my g.p. today and he examined me and said it sounded like too much acid. > He > > said it was not likely to be anything else. So he prescribed a thing like

Zantec only prescription so it is stronger, and said take one before

every

meal. Now, really, I have not been living on acid foods. I’ve been

eating

minimally because everything bothers me. I can’t eat meals. I can eat maybe water mixed with grape juice, one banana, one toast, several hours apart to be sure no one of them is making the pain worse. Last night a few slices of meat gave me extreme pain for hours. Tylenol didn’t touch it. So do I go get the Zantec and take it? Or should I take some estrogen? Supposedly the digestive problems could be from being in mid cycle, is that when

estrogen

is low? Or is it progesterone I am low on? Prior to the onset of this digestive malady I was eating fine when I was in my high cycle (right around ovulation). For me the effect of ovulation seems to last for weeks sometimes. It’s not the ovary only. It’s the whole abdomen. Why are they all involved? Or should I take more thyroid ? Too little is also implicated

in

digestive problems. I recently was taking too much but eating everything

I

wanted. But that brought increased anxiety. So I cut back. Or should I take some old antibiotics? I have two kinds. This could be a UTI. They often started like this, not always in the bladder itself. Or should I go to

the

local clinic for their opinion? Or should I just say forget the whole thing. I feel like taking either nothing, or one of everything, going ahead and eating whatever is around, and if I get worse or better or stay the

same,

fine. The long hour drive to my dr. is almost never worth it. He spent

no

more than ten minutes with me this time and I forgot to ask him several things and on the way there I had to put gas in my car and I lost the

gas

cap. I am just feeling fed up. My mom needs me, I can’t travel with this constant pain and diarrhea, and I am given a nostrum by my g.p. and no tests offered. I don’t feel well enough to travel, while my sister in law and brother get madder and madder at me. I suppose my problem is not being assertive enough. How can I get some

of

that? I don’t feel that way unless I feel well. I made the huge effort

to

go see the dr. and was brushed away as usual and I hoped at least he would refer me to a gastroenterologist but he said that was not necessary. At least ask for a referral to a gastroenterologist.  Some stomach pain (ulcers) are actually caused by bacteria, and an antibiotic -can-

sometimes

clear these up, but you need to find out what’s really at the root of your problem. Tell your brother you have to take care of yourself first–and mean it. What’s the worst he can do?   Don’t self medicate, you need to find out

what

the problem truly is before you start popping myriad different pills. (Actually, it sounds as if you’re under heaps of stress–which can also be the cause of your pain, or at least aggravate it to a large degree.) Marilee

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I thought it could not be endometriosis because I have no uterus. Isn’t

that

right? I have only one ovary left.

Yes, you can have endometriosis without a uterus. Gwen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

I decided to take nothing (don’t have the car to pick up the new prescription anyway, will try it tomorrow). I will get a new doctor. I wanted to keep the same doctor, I kept giving him a chance, but really I have to live my life and he is not helping me. I know most of you would

not

put up with this. That is why I wrote. I needed some support. Thanks all

of > you. > Linda Scheimann <uscho…@yahoo.com

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> news:Quc_6.15646$G25.6076@newsfeed.slurp.net… > > Be especially careful here if you have constipation, with or without > > alternating diarrhea. I had emergency surgery in December for what turned

out to be severe endometriosis which had "strangled" both my small and large intestine, requiring two resections. I had almost complete blockage in

two

places. The pain I had was not touched by painkillers the final three nights before I went into the emergency room. I also had nausea, and was eating and drinking very little during the days. Endometriosis cannot be diagnosed positively without surgery, usually laparoscopy. In my case because of the intestinal involvement, it was a general abdominal exploratory, and resulted in a hysterectomy in

addition

to the resections. Gwen is absolutely correct in saying you should not be adding hormones

to > > your system until you have a satisfactory diagnosis for your current > > discomfort. > > Linda > > gs <he…@rest.com

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> > > news:lv9_6.565845$166.11742017@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com… > > > > After having the increasing abdominal pain for almost 2 weeks and not

thinking I’d live thru the night but sedated enough to be fall

asleep,

I saw my g.p. today and he examined me and said it sounded like too much acid. He said it was not likely to be anything else. So he prescribed a thing like Zantec only prescription so it is stronger, and said take one before every meal. Now, really, I have not been living on acid foods. I’ve been eating minimally because everything bothers me. I can’t eat meals. I can

eat

maybe water mixed with grape juice, one banana, one toast, several hours apart to be sure no one of them is making the pain worse. Last night a few slices of meat gave me extreme pain for hours. Tylenol didn’t touch it. So do

I

go get the Zantec and take it? Or should I take some estrogen? Supposedly

the

digestive problems could be from being in mid cycle, is that when estrogen is low? Or is it progesterone I am low on? Prior to the onset of

this

digestive malady I was eating fine when I was in my high cycle

(right

around ovulation). For me the effect of ovulation seems to last for weeks sometimes. It’s not the ovary only. It’s the whole abdomen. Why are they all involved? Or should I take more thyroid ? Too little is also implicated in digestive problems. I recently was taking too much but eating everything I wanted. But that brought increased anxiety. So I cut back. Or should

I

take some old antibiotics? I have two kinds. This could be a UTI. They often started like this, not always in the bladder itself. Or should I go

to

the local clinic for their opinion? Or should I just say forget the

whole

thing. I feel like taking either nothing, or one of everything, going ahead and eating whatever is around, and if I get worse or better or stay the same, fine. The long hour drive to my dr. is almost never worth it. He

spent

no more than ten minutes with me this time and I forgot to ask him several things and on the way there I had to put gas in my car and I lost

the

gas cap. I am just feeling fed up. My mom needs me, I can’t travel with this constant pain and diarrhea, and I am given a nostrum by my g.p. and

no

tests offered. I don’t feel well enough to travel, while my sister in law and brother get madder and madder at me. I suppose my problem is not being assertive enough. How can I get

some

of that? I don’t feel that way unless I feel well. I made the huge

effort

to go see the dr. and was brushed away as usual and I hoped at least he would refer me to a gastroenterologist but he said that was not necessary. Get a new doctor! There could be many things wrong just as easily as nothing. A doctor that treats you this way should be FIRED! I have a lot of acid. My problem is with indigestion and nausea, not

my

intestines at all. The only pain I have is in my stomach. This is just how too much acid effects me, and others could have other effects. Have you looked into irritable bowel syndrome (IBS)? http://www.iffgd.org/ It could also be a gyn probolem, they do show up with these symptoms sometimes. What type of exam did the doctor do? What questions did  he ask?  I wouldn’t try estrogen or progesterone until I KNEW what the problem was, since they could add to a problem or even cause one! Gwen

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I thought it could not be endometriosis because I have no uterus. Isn’t that right? I have only one ovary left. I decided to take nothing (don’t have the car to pick up the new prescription anyway, will try it tomorrow). I will get a new doctor. I wanted to keep the same doctor, I kept giving him a chance, but really I have to live my life and he is not helping me. I know most of you would not put up with this. That is why I wrote. I needed some support. Thanks all of you. Linda Scheimann <uscho…@yahoo.com

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Be especially careful here if you have constipation, with or without alternating diarrhea. I had emergency surgery in December for what turned out to be severe endometriosis which had "strangled" both my small and

large

intestine, requiring two resections. I had almost complete blockage in two places. The pain I had was not touched by painkillers the final three

nights

before I went into the emergency room. I also had nausea, and was eating

and

drinking very little during the days. Endometriosis cannot be diagnosed positively without surgery, usually laparoscopy. In my case because of the intestinal involvement, it was a general abdominal exploratory, and resulted in a hysterectomy in addition

to > the resections. > Gwen is absolutely correct in saying you should not be adding hormones to > your system until you have a satisfactory diagnosis for your current > discomfort. > Linda > gs <he…@rest.com

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saw my g.p. today and he examined me and said it sounded like too much

acid.

He said it was not likely to be anything else. So he prescribed a thing like Zantec only prescription so it is stronger, and said take one before every meal. Now, really, I have not been living on acid foods. I’ve been eating minimally because everything bothers me. I can’t eat meals. I can eat maybe water mixed with grape juice, one banana, one toast, several hours

apart

to be sure no one of them is making the pain worse. Last night a few

slices

of meat gave me extreme pain for hours. Tylenol didn’t touch it. So do I

go

get the Zantec and take it? Or should I take some estrogen? Supposedly the digestive problems could be from being in mid cycle, is that when estrogen is low? Or is it progesterone I am low on? Prior to the onset of this digestive malady I was eating fine when I was in my high cycle (right around ovulation). For me the effect of ovulation seems to last for weeks sometimes. It’s not the ovary only. It’s the whole abdomen. Why are

they

all involved? Or should I take more thyroid ? Too little is also

implicated

in digestive problems. I recently was taking too much but eating

everything

I wanted. But that brought increased anxiety. So I cut back. Or should I take some old antibiotics? I have two kinds. This could be a UTI. They

often

started like this, not always in the bladder itself. Or should I go to the local clinic for their opinion? Or should I just say forget the whole thing. I feel like taking either nothing, or one of everything, going ahead

and

eating whatever is around, and if I get worse or better or stay the same, fine. The long hour drive to my dr. is almost never worth it. He spent no more than ten minutes with me this time and I forgot to ask him

several

things and on the way there I had to put gas in my car and I lost the gas cap. I am just feeling fed up. My mom needs me, I can’t travel with

this

constant pain and diarrhea, and I am given a nostrum by my g.p. and no tests offered. I don’t feel well enough to travel, while my sister in law

and

brother get madder and madder at me. I suppose my problem is not being assertive enough. How can I get some of that? I don’t feel that way unless I feel well. I made the huge effort to go see the dr. and was brushed away as usual and I hoped at least he

would

refer me to a gastroenterologist but he said that was not necessary. Get a new doctor! There could be many things wrong just as easily as nothing. A doctor that treats you this way should be FIRED! I have a lot of acid. My problem is with indigestion and nausea, not my intestines at all. The only pain I have is in my stomach. This is just

how

too much acid effects me, and others could have other effects. Have you looked into irritable bowel syndrome (IBS)? http://www.iffgd.org/ It could also be a gyn probolem, they do show up with these symptoms sometimes. What type of exam did the doctor do? What questions did  he ask?  I wouldn’t try estrogen or progesterone until I KNEW what the problem was, since they could add to a problem or even cause one! Gwen

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After having the increasing abdominal pain for almost 2 weeks and not thinking I’d live thru the night but sedated enough to be fall asleep, I

saw

my g.p. today and he examined me and said it sounded like too much acid.

He

said it was not likely to be anything else. So he prescribed a thing like Zantec only prescription so it is stronger, and said take one before every meal. Now, really, I have not been living on acid foods. I’ve been eating minimally because everything bothers me. I can’t eat meals. I can eat

maybe

water mixed with grape juice, one banana, one toast, several hours apart

to

be sure no one of them is making the pain worse. Last night a few slices

of

meat gave me extreme pain for hours. Tylenol didn’t touch it. So do I go

get

the Zantec and take it? Or should I take some estrogen? Supposedly the digestive problems could be from being in mid cycle, is that when estrogen is low? Or is it progesterone I am low on? Prior to the onset of this digestive malady I was eating fine when I was in my high cycle (right

around

ovulation). For me the effect of ovulation seems to last for weeks sometimes. It’s not the ovary only. It’s the whole abdomen. Why are they

all

involved? Or should I take more thyroid ? Too little is also implicated in digestive problems. I recently was taking too much but eating everything I wanted. But that brought increased anxiety. So I cut back. Or should I

take

some old antibiotics? I have two kinds. This could be a UTI. They often started like this, not always in the bladder itself. Or should I go to the local clinic for their opinion? Or should I just say forget the whole

thing.

I feel like taking either nothing, or one of everything, going ahead and eating whatever is around, and if I get worse or better or stay the same, fine. The long hour drive to my dr. is almost never worth it. He spent no more than ten minutes with me this time and I forgot to ask him several things and on the way there I had to put gas in my car and I lost the gas cap. I am just feeling fed up. My mom needs me, I can’t travel with this constant pain and diarrhea, and I am given a nostrum by my g.p. and no

tests

offered. I don’t feel well enough to travel, while my sister in law and brother get madder and madder at me. I suppose my problem is not being assertive enough. How can I get some of that? I don’t feel that way unless I feel well. I made the huge effort to

go

see the dr. and was brushed away as usual and I hoped at least he would refer me to a gastroenterologist but he said that was not necessary.

Get a new doctor! There could be many things wrong just as easily as nothing. A doctor that treats you this way should be FIRED! I have a lot of acid. My problem is with indigestion and nausea, not my intestines at all. The only pain I have is in my stomach. This is just how too much acid effects me, and others could have other effects. Have you looked into irritable bowel syndrome (IBS)? http://www.iffgd.org/ It could also be a gyn probolem, they do show up with these symptoms sometimes. What type of exam did the doctor do? What questions did  he ask?  I wouldn’t try estrogen or progesterone until I KNEW what the problem was, since they could add to a problem or even cause one! Gwen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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After having the increasing abdominal pain for almost 2 weeks and not thinking I’d live thru the night but sedated enough to be fall asleep, I

saw

my g.p. today and he examined me and said it sounded like too much acid.

He

said it was not likely to be anything else. So he prescribed a thing like Zantec only prescription so it is stronger, and said take one before every meal. Now, really, I have not been living on acid foods. I’ve been eating minimally because everything bothers me. I can’t eat meals. I can eat

maybe

water mixed with grape juice, one banana, one toast, several hours apart

to

be sure no one of them is making the pain worse. Last night a few slices

of

meat gave me extreme pain for hours. Tylenol didn’t touch it. So do I go

get

the Zantec and take it? Or should I take some estrogen? Supposedly the digestive problems could be from being in mid cycle, is that when estrogen is low? Or is it progesterone I am low on? Prior to the onset of this digestive malady I was eating fine when I was in my high cycle (right

around

ovulation). For me the effect of ovulation seems to last for weeks sometimes. It’s not the ovary only. It’s the whole abdomen. Why are they

all

involved? Or should I take more thyroid ? Too little is also implicated in digestive problems. I recently was taking too much but eating everything I wanted. But that brought increased anxiety. So I cut back. Or should I

take

some old antibiotics? I have two kinds. This could be a UTI. They often started like this, not always in the bladder itself. Or should I go to the local clinic for their opinion? Or should I just say forget the whole

thing.

I feel like taking either nothing, or one of everything, going ahead and eating whatever is around, and if I get worse or better or stay the same, fine. The long hour drive to my dr. is almost never worth it. He spent no more than ten minutes with me this time and I forgot to ask him several things and on the way there I had to put gas in my car and I lost the gas cap. I am just feeling fed up. My mom needs me, I can’t travel with this constant pain and diarrhea, and I am given a nostrum by my g.p. and no

tests

offered. I don’t feel well enough to travel, while my sister in law and brother get madder and madder at me. I suppose my problem is not being assertive enough. How can I get some of that? I don’t feel that way unless I feel well. I made the huge effort to

go

see the dr. and was brushed away as usual and I hoped at least he would refer me to a gastroenterologist but he said that was not necessary.

At least ask for a referral to a gastroenterologist.  Some stomach pain (ulcers) are actually caused by bacteria, and an antibiotic -can- sometimes clear these up, but you need to find out what’s really at the root of your problem. Tell your brother you have to take care of yourself first–and mean it. What’s the worst he can do?   Don’t self medicate, you need to find out what the problem truly is before you start popping myriad different pills. (Actually, it sounds as if you’re under heaps of stress–which can also be the cause of your pain, or at least aggravate it to a large degree.) Marilee

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Be especially careful here if you have constipation, with or without alternating diarrhea. I had emergency surgery in December for what turned out to be severe endometriosis which had "strangled" both my small and large intestine, requiring two resections. I had almost complete blockage in two places. The pain I had was not touched by painkillers the final three nights before I went into the emergency room. I also had nausea, and was eating and drinking very little during the days. Endometriosis cannot be diagnosed positively without surgery, usually laparoscopy. In my case because of the intestinal involvement, it was a general abdominal exploratory, and resulted in a hysterectomy in addition to the resections. Gwen is absolutely correct in saying you should not be adding hormones to your system until you have a satisfactory diagnosis for your current discomfort. Linda gs <he…@rest.com

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> news:lv9_6.565845$166.11742017@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com… > > After having the increasing abdominal pain for almost 2 weeks and not > > thinking I’d live thru the night but sedated enough to be fall asleep, I > saw > > my g.p. today and he examined me and said it sounded like too much acid. > He > > said it was not likely to be anything else. So he prescribed a thing like

Zantec only prescription so it is stronger, and said take one before

every

meal. Now, really, I have not been living on acid foods. I’ve been

eating

minimally because everything bothers me. I can’t eat meals. I can eat maybe water mixed with grape juice, one banana, one toast, several hours apart to be sure no one of them is making the pain worse. Last night a few slices of meat gave me extreme pain for hours. Tylenol didn’t touch it. So do I go get the Zantec and take it? Or should I take some estrogen? Supposedly the digestive problems could be from being in mid cycle, is that when

estrogen

is low? Or is it progesterone I am low on? Prior to the onset of this digestive malady I was eating fine when I was in my high cycle (right around ovulation). For me the effect of ovulation seems to last for weeks sometimes. It’s not the ovary only. It’s the whole abdomen. Why are they all involved? Or should I take more thyroid ? Too little is also implicated

in

digestive problems. I recently was taking too much but eating everything

I

wanted. But that brought increased anxiety. So I cut back. Or should I take some old antibiotics? I have two kinds. This could be a UTI. They often started like this, not always in the bladder itself. Or should I go to

the

local clinic for their opinion? Or should I just say forget the whole thing. I feel like taking either nothing, or one of everything, going ahead and eating whatever is around, and if I get worse or better or stay the

same,

fine. The long hour drive to my dr. is almost never worth it. He spent

no

more than ten minutes with me this time and I forgot to ask him several things and on the way there I had to put gas in my car and I lost the

gas

cap. I am just feeling fed up. My mom needs me, I can’t travel with this constant pain and diarrhea, and I am given a nostrum by my g.p. and no tests offered. I don’t feel well enough to travel, while my sister in law and brother get madder and madder at me. I suppose my problem is not being assertive enough. How can I get some

of

that? I don’t feel that way unless I feel well. I made the huge effort

to

go see the dr. and was brushed away as usual and I hoped at least he would refer me to a gastroenterologist but he said that was not necessary. Get a new doctor! There could be many things wrong just as easily as nothing. A doctor that treats you this way should be FIRED! I have a lot of acid. My problem is with indigestion and nausea, not my intestines at all. The only pain I have is in my stomach. This is just how too much acid effects me, and others could have other effects. Have you looked into irritable bowel syndrome (IBS)? http://www.iffgd.org/ It could also be a gyn probolem, they do show up with these symptoms sometimes. What type of exam did the doctor do? What questions did  he

ask?

 I wouldn’t try estrogen or progesterone until I KNEW what the problem

was,

since they could add to a problem or even cause one! Gwen

Response:

After having the increasing abdominal pain for almost 2 weeks and not thinking I’d live thru the night but sedated enough to be fall asleep, I saw my g.p. today and he examined me and said it sounded like too much acid. He said it was not likely to be anything else. So he prescribed a thing like Zantec only prescription so it is stronger, and said take one before every meal. Now, really, I have not been living on acid foods. I’ve been eating minimally because everything bothers me. I can’t eat meals. I can eat maybe water mixed with grape juice, one banana, one toast, several hours apart to be sure no one of them is making the pain worse. Last night a few slices of meat gave me extreme pain for hours. Tylenol didn’t touch it. So do I go get the Zantec and take it? Or should I take some estrogen? Supposedly the digestive problems could be from being in mid cycle, is that when estrogen is low? Or is it progesterone I am low on? Prior to the onset of this digestive malady I was eating fine when I was in my high cycle (right around ovulation). For me the effect of ovulation seems to last for weeks sometimes. It’s not the ovary only. It’s the whole abdomen. Why are they all involved? Or should I take more thyroid ? Too little is also implicated in digestive problems. I recently was taking too much but eating everything I wanted. But that brought increased anxiety. So I cut back. Or should I take some old antibiotics? I have two kinds. This could be a UTI. They often started like this, not always in the bladder itself. Or should I go to the local clinic for their opinion? Or should I just say forget the whole thing. I feel like taking either nothing, or one of everything, going ahead and eating whatever is around, and if I get worse or better or stay the same, fine. The long hour drive to my dr. is almost never worth it. He spent no more than ten minutes with me this time and I forgot to ask him several things and on the way there I had to put gas in my car and I lost the gas cap. I am just feeling fed up. My mom needs me, I can’t travel with this constant pain and diarrhea, and I am given a nostrum by my g.p. and no tests offered. I don’t feel well enough to travel, while my sister in law and brother get madder and madder at me. I suppose my problem is not being assertive enough. How can I get some of that? I don’t feel that way unless I feel well. I made the huge effort to go see the dr. and was brushed away as usual and I hoped at least he would refer me to a gastroenterologist but he said that was not necessary.

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From: "pouringrain" pennyl…@nospam.com Date: 6/26/01 5:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time After having the increasing abdominal pain for almost 2 weeks and not thinking I’d live thru the night but sedated enough to be fall asleep, I saw my g.p. today and he examined me and said it sounded like too much acid. He said it was not likely to be anything else. So he prescribed a thing like Zantec only prescription so it is stronger, and said take one before every meal. Now, really, I have not been living on acid foods. I’ve been eating minimally because everything bothers me. I can’t eat meals. I can eat maybe water mixed with grape juice, one banana, one toast, several hours apart to be sure no one of them is making the pain worse. Last night a few slices of meat gave me extreme pain for hours. Tylenol didn’t touch it. So do I go get the Zantec and take it? Or should I take some estrogen? Supposedly the digestive problems could be from being in mid cycle, is that when estrogen is low? Or is it progesterone I am low on? Prior to the onset of this digestive malady I was eating fine when I was in my high cycle (right around ovulation). For me the effect of ovulation seems to last for weeks sometimes. It’s not the ovary only. It’s the whole abdomen. Why are they all involved? Or should I take more thyroid ? Too little is also implicated in digestive problems. I recently was taking too much but eating everything I wanted. But that brought increased anxiety. So I cut back. Or should I take some old antibiotics? I have two kinds. This could be a UTI. They often started like this, not always in the bladder itself. Or should I go to the local clinic for their opinion? Or should I just say forget the whole thing. I feel like taking either nothing, or one of everything, going ahead and eating whatever is around, and if I get worse or better or stay the same, fine. The long hour drive to my dr. is almost never worth it. He spent no more than ten minutes with me this time and I forgot to ask him several things and on the way there I had to put gas in my car and I lost the gas cap. I am just feeling fed up. My mom needs me, I can’t travel with this constant pain and diarrhea, and I am given a nostrum by my g.p. and no tests offered. I don’t feel well enough to travel, while my sister in law and brother get madder and madder at me. I suppose my problem is not being assertive enough. How can I get some of that? I don’t feel that way unless I feel well. I made the huge effort to go see the dr. and was brushed away as usual and I hoped at least he would refer me to a gastroenterologist but he said that was not necessary.

Find a new doctor!!!! This jerk doesn’t take you seriously. You hire the doctor. As Pat (I believe) said…you hire a doctor the way you would hire another professional,such as a plumber. It’s *your* body…you are its caretaker. He is not the Daddy. He is your employee basically. Tell him you want a solution and need the proper tests to find out what is wrong. Too much acid…this is ridiculous. Either tell him to take you seriously or (better yet) find a new doctor and fast! Sharon…I live in Another Dimension, but I have a summer home in Reality

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