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None of the many people I know who have healed themselves with fresh and raw diets decided to ask their doctor’s permission or contact the FDA and AMA to license a study. Nice to hear from yet one more person who knows that raw diets heal. Since I began saying that in this newsgroup, there are some here who consider themselves scientific experts, who feel that my assertions are foolish. But since then, more and more "raw people" keep coming to this newsgroup, to back up this claim.
Nobody doubts that a raw diet can be healthy. But you still haven’t produced anything to prove that it is healthier than other diets. Moreover, your claims of paranormal powers (no matter how you spin it, being able to knock people over by projecting "thought energy", or whatever, is paranormal) and immunity to disease (although you call it something else, the net effect is the same) are so outlandish that they beg for some verification. But you take the suggestion of this as an insult from an unbeliever. I am certain, that if one could gather together in one place, all the "circumstantial" claims of cure by raw diets, the phenomenon would be so impossible to ignore,
That’s obvious. The faithful make the same claim as well. And have a similar amount of proof. erf
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Hey Mike: Nice to hear from yet one more person who knows that raw diets heal.
Habib, I know that also. I have seen it several times, and experienced it when I adhered to it. The most stunning example that I saw for myself was a friend who had worked as a pest controller for many years, – had worked with and around all kinds of toxic chemicals. When I first met him (circa 1992) he looked like a very old and frail man. His hair was dead-white, lifeless looking and falling out. His skin was discoloured and very ’saggy’. He stooped, and his movements were slow and awkward. He had various chronic ailments. I had not seen him for two years, when one day this young-looking man kind of bounced into the bookshop where I was working. I was sure this could not be Robert, but something about him was also similar. I only realised this *was* him as he signed his name on a docket, buying a book. Looking at him then was one of the most extraordinary sensations I have had. His whole body was different - His skin was now firm and evenly coloured. His hair was now a *dark* grey, and looked healthy. His eyes were unusually clear and bright. He had lost the stoop, he moved lightly and quickly, and he seemed to have an abundance of energy. He was reluctant to tell me how it came about, as he said he had had to deal with a lot of prejudice – even antipathy – whenever he did explain. Eventually he told me he had become a fruitarian. His whole family did – including his two high-school age sons. I think that if I had even half the sense I should have, I would be doing that now too. k
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I question the premise that finding bacteria at a disease site means that the bacteria are the cause of that disease. By analogy, just because homicide detectives are found at the scene of the crime does not mean that they committed it. This argument, or philosophy, or quackery (choose any) is further developed at http://doctoryourself.com/germs.html and http://doctoryourself.com/nature.html . Saurkraut is probably harder to digest and absorb than fresh raw cabbage juice. It is certainly saltier. Perhaps for prevention, it would be better than no cabbage product at all. However, the answer I’d have to give if under oath is, follow Dr. Cheney’s raw-cabbage-juice protocol if you want results. — Andrew,
I have seen that when patients are treated with Metrondizole (Flagyl) for peptic ulcer disease (for Heliobacter Pylori) the condition is resolved. To me that points as Heliobacter as a probable or at least possible causative agent. That doesn’t mean there isn’t more than one way to treat gastritis/pud. There is also a big difference between opportunistic bacteria and the bacterial flora present in and on the human body. Raw cabbage juice sounds very tasty btw 
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Now,now, did I suggest the death penalty for people with closed minds to anything different, I mean alternative, No, not yet anyways About unknown diseases, well knowledge is about as much as we know. — Wishing you an abundance of all you desire, Regards, Ray ?: http://communities.msn.co.uk/RAYSNEWAYS – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – X-No-Archive: Yes Certainly the chinese herbalists must have worked. the philosophy was that a persons "doctor" was paid a weekly retainer, every week when the "customer" was healthy. If he fell ill the "doctor" wasn’t paid again until he was better. What a good idea. * How about the death penalty for quacks who treat people with zappers, urine, eye or newt, cabbage juice, etc. and the person goes ahead and dies from lack of real medical care? Sounds good to me. This way most quacks would be removed from society and the others would get REAL jobs quickly. This might be too dangerous. If this idea were implemented, most medical doctors would almost never get paid! Habib — Y Before buying any health care products on the net see: http://www.falseprofits.com/links.html http://www.wellweb.com/ALTERN/bunko/bunko.htm http://www.quackwatch.com http://www.mlmwatch.org
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I question the premise that finding bacteria at a disease site means that the bacteria are the cause of that disease. By analogy, just because homicide detectives are found at the scene of the crime does not mean that they committed it. This argument, or philosophy, or quackery (choose any) is further developed at http://doctoryourself.com/germs.html and http://doctoryourself.com/nature.html . Saurkraut is probably harder to digest and absorb than fresh raw cabbage juice. It is certainly saltier. Perhaps for prevention, it would be better than no cabbage product at all. However, the answer I’d have to give if under oath is, follow Dr. Cheney’s raw-cabbage-juice protocol if you want results. — Over 110 articles (indexed by topic, or keyword with an on-site search engine) plus hundreds of scientific references on nutritional therapeutics are posted at http://doctoryourself.com Links to other clinical nutrition and alternative medicine sites are provided. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – To give you an idea of the therapeutic potential of vegetable juices, consider the work of Garnett Cheney, M.D. He had 100 peptic ulcer patients drink a quart of raw cabbage juice daily. The patients reported dramatically less pain, and X-ray examination confirmed faster healing time. There was no other change in their diet, and they did not have drug therapy. 81% of the patients were symptom-free within one week; over two-thirds were better in just four days. Average healing time for patients given standard hospital treatment was over a month. (Cheney, G: "Vitamin U Therapy of Peptic Ulcer," California Medicine, vol. 77, number 4, October, 1952) Dr. Cheney used cabbage juice to also treat gastric ulcers and duodenal ulcers. He clearly was onto something, which he called "Vitamin U" (for ulcer) for lack of a better name. Today, the cabbage family (cruciform) vegetables including Brussels sprouts, cauliflower and broccoli, are finally being recommended to help prevent diseases including cancer. Dr. Cheney was getting therapeutic results in four days with cabbage juice nearly 50 years ago! Do we really have to wait for orthodox medical approval of vegetables? I know of people who have utilized cabbage juice along with vegetarian diet and fasting to heal all forms of gastrointestinal diseases without drugs and without surgery. One person even cured her untreatable rectal bleeding with cabbage juice. The attending physician confirmed her excellent but unexplained progress, asking her what she was doing. She told the doctor of her diet and about cabbage juice. His response was, "No, that couldn’t be it." (From a G.I. disease-related article posted at http://doctoryourself.com/colitis.html ) — Andrew, Just a couple of thoughts- 1) With the recent research of finding that Heliobacter Pylori is the culprit in peptic uclers/gastritis how does cabbage juice work/help?? Do they know? Does it have antimicrobial activity?? This bacterium is a nasty one!! 2) I love saurkraut- would this I wonder be an equivalent to cabbage juice?? frank Before you buy.
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About unknown diseases, well knowledge is about as much as we know.
LOL. Very profound. Our "knowledge" is very limited. : ) Connie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Wishing you an abundance of all you desire, Regards, Ray ?: http://communities.msn.co.uk/RAYSNEWAYS X-No-Archive: Yes Certainly the chinese herbalists must have worked. the philosophy was that a persons "doctor" was paid a weekly retainer, every week when the "customer" was healthy. If he fell ill the "doctor" wasn’t paid again until he was better. What a good idea. * How about the death penalty for quacks who treat people with zappers, urine, eye or newt, cabbage juice, etc. and the person goes ahead and dies from lack of real medical care? Sounds good to me. This way most quacks would be removed from society and the others would get REAL jobs quickly. This might be too dangerous. If this idea were implemented, most medical doctors would almost never get paid! Habib — Y Before buying any health care products on the net see: http://www.falseprofits.com/links.html http://www.wellweb.com/ALTERN/bunko/bunko.htm http://www.quackwatch.com http://www.mlmwatch.org
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Mike, Habib, karuna, et al, I want to hear these stories, too. I’ve seen first hand the effects of raw foods, and have heard a few testimonials about cancer reversals, etc. just from "de-chemicalizing" one’s life with all natural fiber clothing, juices from organic fruits and veggies, and avoiding all plastics, etc. Makes so much sense to me – should be common sense logic to anyone who understands the body at all. I’m so amazed with the erroneous idea that our bodies can collect "toxins" for years and "suffer no ill effect," basically because there is no such thing as a "toxin" in some minds. Mind boggling. And we’re the "illiterate, uneducated." Is there a club button we can wear? I wanna button. : ) Connie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – X-No Archive: Yes This type of "unproven, unsubstantiated testimonial" is just what I want to hear. It also helps to validate the thousands of other unproven and unsubstantiated testimonials from people who claim similar results. None of the many people I know who have healed themselves with fresh and raw diets decided to ask their doctor’s permission or contact the FDA and AMA to license a study. Possibly you would like to fund that interest. Your simple rhetoric proves your ignorance. Mike O.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – X-No Archive: Yes This type of "unproven, unsubstantiated testimonial" is just what I want to hear. It also helps to validate the thousands of other unproven and unsubstantiated testimonials from people who claim similar results. None of the many people I know who have healed themselves with fresh and raw diets decided to ask their doctor’s permission or contact the FDA and AMA to license a study. Possibly you would like to fund that interest. Your simple rhetoric proves your ignorance. Mike O.
Hey Mike: Nice to hear from yet one more person who knows that raw diets heal. Since I began saying that in this newsgroup, there are some here who consider themselves scientific experts, who feel that my assertions are foolish. But since then, more and more "raw people" keep coming to this newsgroup, to back up this claim. It matters not whether the evidence is circumstantial, as long as it works, and people’s lives are saved. I am certain, that if one could gather together in one place, all the "circumstantial" claims of cure by raw diets, the phenomenon would be so impossible to ignore, that many who now bleat about peer reviewed studies might pause to consider rethinking their opinions about what constitutes good science, and whether good science long ago fell victim to the obscuring veils of paradigmatical thinking. Habib
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Right on! Thank you for the link. — Over 100 articles (indexed by topic, or keyword with an on-site search engine) plus hundreds of scientific references on nutritional therapeutics are posted at http://doctoryourself.com Links to other clinical nutrition and alternative medicine sites are provided.
You’re most welcome. I know David personally, and he really does have a 100% success rate with people who follow his program for healing these intestinal disorders. Often, they become part of the raw food community after they discover this, and the rest of us get to know them personally, through communication, articles about their cure, and meeting in person at various classes and workshops. I discovered this on my own before I met David, and I know it worked for me, and that there are quite a few people with degenerative intestinal disorders of all kinds who have completely and permanently reversed their disorders, as I did. Believe it or not, the same approach seems to work with a very wide variety of these disorders. Irritable bowel syndrome is no fun. Sometimes when I had a flareup I would be sleepless for up to three days, curled up in a fetal position from the pain. This started for me when I was in Junior High. The pain at times made me feel like cursing God. Now I am free of it. I have a friend here in Portland who also reversed his Crohn’s disease. David has also had clients reverse Crohn’s disease. I think that with the success rate this approach has, that it is quite unfortunate that every single person active over at the Colititis & Crohn’s Support Group doesn’t immediately drop what they are doing, and try this out. I don’t know of a single person who has tried this approach, and failed. David and I tried it, and it gave us our lives back. No "managing" our conditions, just 100% complete, genuine reversal. Again, here’s the link: http://www.colitis-crohns.com Habib
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What you report is precisely what I have heard again and again for 25 years: juicing works especially well for a variety of quite serious gastrointestinal diseases. Call it anecdotal evidence; call it quackery; call it unscientific; no matter. Juicing works. Those of us who’ve done it, know it. — Over 100 articles (indexed by topic, or keyword with an on-site search engine) plus hundreds of scientific references on nutritional therapeutics are posted at http://doctoryourself.com Links to other clinical nutrition and alternative medicine sites are provided. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Right on! Thank you for the link. — Over 100 articles (indexed by topic, or keyword with an on-site search engine) plus hundreds of scientific references on nutritional therapeutics are posted at http://doctoryourself.com Links to other clinical nutrition and alternative medicine sites are provided. You’re most welcome. I know David personally, and he really does have a 100% success rate with people who follow his program for healing these intestinal disorders. Often, they become part of the raw food community after they discover this, and the rest of us get to know them personally, through communication, articles about their cure, and meeting in person at various classes and workshops. I discovered this on my own before I met David, and I know it worked for me, and that there are quite a few people with degenerative intestinal disorders of all kinds who have completely and permanently reversed their disorders, as I did. Believe it or not, the same approach seems to work with a very wide variety of these disorders. Irritable bowel syndrome is no fun. Sometimes when I had a flareup I would be sleepless for up to three days, curled up in a fetal position from the pain. This started for me when I was in Junior High. The pain at times made me feel like cursing God. Now I am free of it. I have a friend here in Portland who also reversed his Crohn’s disease. David has also had clients reverse Crohn’s disease. I think that with the success rate this approach has, that it is quite unfortunate that every single person active over at the Colititis & Crohn’s Support Group doesn’t immediately drop what they are doing, and try this out. I don’t know of a single person who has tried this approach, and failed. David and I tried it, and it gave us our lives back. No "managing" our conditions, just 100% complete, genuine reversal. Again, here’s the link: http://www.colitis-crohns.com Habib
– Over 100 articles (indexed by topic, or keyword with an on-site search engine) plus hundreds of scientific references on nutritional therapeutics are posted at http://doctoryourself.com Links to other clinical nutrition and alternative medicine sites are provided. Before you buy.
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Right on! Thank you for the link. — Over 100 articles (indexed by topic, or keyword with an on-site search engine) plus hundreds of scientific references on nutritional therapeutics are posted at http://doctoryourself.com Links to other clinical nutrition and alternative medicine sites are provided. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – To give you an idea of the therapeutic potential of vegetable juices, Some have also had very good results with cultured cabbage juice. I have a friend who suffered with ulcerative colitis, undergoing treatments with many experimental drugs. His life was hell. His doctors wanted to remove his colon. Then he got smart: he educated himself in natural health, and set out to change all his life practices. Through a 100% raw vegetarian diet and fasting, he completely and permanently reversed his condition. He now teaches other people with degenerative colon disorders to completely reverse their conditions also. I myself completely healed myself of irritable bowel syndrome by following virtually the same program he teaches. For those who truly follow his program, he claims 100% success. He is for real, and has helped a lot of people. Habib Here is his website: http://www.colitis-crohns.com/
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those are proven either. SHOW US THE PROOF! YOU SHOW "US" THE PROOF THAT QUACKERY WORKS!!! —
Once again you missed the whole point. You are so gullible you believe anything Jan
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X-No Archive: Yes This type of "unproven, unsubstantiated testimonial" is just what I want to hear. It also helps to validate the thousands of other unproven and unsubstantiated testimonials from people who claim similar results. None of the many people I know who have healed themselves with fresh and raw diets decided to ask their doctor’s permission or contact the FDA and AMA to license a study. Possibly you would like to fund that interest. Your simple rhetoric proves your ignorance. Mike O.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – To give you an idea of the therapeutic potential of vegetable juices, consider the work of Garnett Cheney, M.D. He had 100 peptic ulcer patients drink a quart of raw cabbage juice daily. The patients reported dramatically less pain, and X-ray examination confirmed faster healing time. There was no other change in their diet, and they did not have drug therapy. 81% of the patients were symptom-free within one week; over two-thirds were better in just four days. Average healing time for patients given standard hospital treatment was over a month. (Cheney, G: "Vitamin U Therapy of Peptic Ulcer," California Medicine, vol. 77, number 4, October, 1952) Dr. Cheney used cabbage juice to also treat gastric ulcers and duodenal ulcers. He clearly was onto something, which he called "Vitamin U" (for ulcer) for lack of a better name. Today, the cabbage family (cruciform) vegetables including Brussels sprouts, cauliflower and broccoli, are finally being recommended to help prevent diseases including cancer. Dr. Cheney was getting therapeutic results in four days with cabbage juice nearly 50 years ago! Do we really have to wait for orthodox medical approval of vegetables? I know of people who have utilized cabbage juice along with vegetarian diet and fasting to heal all forms of gastrointestinal diseases without drugs and without surgery. One person even cured her untreatable rectal bleeding with cabbage juice. The attending physician confirmed her excellent but unexplained progress, asking her what she was doing. She told the doctor of her diet and about cabbage juice. His response was, "No, that couldn’t be it." (From a G.I. disease-related article posted at http://doctoryourself.com/colitis.html ) —
Andrew, Just a couple of thoughts- 1) With the recent research of finding that Heliobacter Pylori is the culprit in peptic uclers/gastritis how does cabbage juice work/help?? Do they know? Does it have antimicrobial activity?? This bacterium is a nasty one!! 2) I love saurkraut- would this I wonder be an equivalent to cabbage juice?? frank Before you buy.
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Thanks for the information Dr Saul, so far I have found your info to be reliable and trustworthy. Love and light Steven
Yeah, Doc Saul is one of the good ones. Habib
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Cabbage juice is hard to swallow. How do you think about DGL (licorice extract) ? http://www.doctormurray.com/articles/ulcer.htm * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful
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Certainly the chinese herbalists must have worked. the philosophy was that a persons "doctor" was paid a weekly retainer, every week when the "customer" was healthy. If he fell ill the "doctor" wasn’t paid again until he was better. What a good idea.
This might be too dangerous. If this idea were implemented, most medical doctors would almost never get paid! Habib
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YOU SHOW "US" THE PROOF THAT QUACKERY WORKS!!!
It’s worked for thousands of years: Shamans, witch doctors, medicine men, etc. What do you think the first medical practicioners were called. Perhaps that "snake oil worked. Certainly the chinese herbalists must have worked. the philosophy was that a persons "doctor" was paid a weekly retainer, every week when the "customer" was healthy. If he fell ill the "doctor" wasn’t paid again until he was better. What a good idea. The first surgeons were considered quacks, perhaps correctly so. Anything medical that is new to someone or to a people or a nation is always considered quackery. Consider the first missionery doctors. Concoctions that the chinese have used for thousands of years are quackery, except when they work. You should try some, to stop you shouting Wishing you an abundance of all you desire, Regards, Ray ?: http://communities.msn.co.uk/RAYSNEWAYS
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You know that anything longer than a four line sig file is considered as spam. Anyway, some of them a cross linked, so duplicated, but keep spreading the message, as more people follow your links, more people will recognise their bias and perhaps see through the smoke screens to the truth. Wishing you an abundance of all you desire, Regards, Ray ?: http://communities.msn.co.uk/RAYSNEWAYS
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Thanks for the information Dr Saul, so far I have found your info to be reliable and trustworthy. Love and light Steven
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What you report is precisely what I have heard again and again for 25 years: juicing works especially well for a variety of quite serious gastrointestinal diseases. Call it anecdotal evidence; call it quackery; call it unscientific; no matter. Juicing works. Those of us who’ve done it, know it. — Over 100 articles (indexed by topic, or keyword with an on-site search engine) plus hundreds of scientific references on nutritional therapeutics are posted at http://doctoryourself.com Links to other clinical nutrition and alternative medicine sites are provided. Right on! Thank you for the link. — Over 100 articles (indexed by topic, or keyword with an on-site search engine) plus hundreds of scientific references on nutritional therapeutics are posted at http://doctoryourself.com Links to other clinical nutrition and alternative medicine sites are provided. You’re most welcome. I know David personally, and he really does have a 100% success rate with people who follow his program for healing these intestinal disorders. Often, they become part of the raw food community after they discover this, and the rest of us get to know them personally, through communication, articles about their cure, and meeting in person at various classes and workshops. I discovered this on my own before I met David, and I know it worked for me, and that there are quite a few people with degenerative intestinal disorders of all kinds who have completely and permanently reversed their disorders, as I did. Believe it or not, the same approach seems to work with a very wide variety of these disorders. Irritable bowel syndrome is no fun. Sometimes when I had a flareup I would be sleepless for up to three days, curled up in a fetal position from the pain. This started for me when I was in Junior High. The pain at times made me feel like cursing God. Now I am free of it. I have a friend here in Portland who also reversed his Crohn’s disease. David has also had clients reverse Crohn’s disease. I think that with the success rate this approach has, that it is quite unfortunate that every single person active over at the Colititis & Crohn’s Support Group doesn’t immediately drop what they are doing, and try this out. I don’t know of a single person who has tried this approach, and failed. David and I tried it, and it gave us our lives back. No "managing" our conditions, just 100% complete, genuine reversal. Again, here’s the link: http://www.colitis-crohns.com Habib — Over 100 articles (indexed by topic, or keyword with an on-site search engine) plus hundreds of scientific references on nutritional therapeutics are posted at http://doctoryourself.com Links to other clinical nutrition and alternative medicine sites are provided. Before you buy.
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To give you an idea of the therapeutic potential of vegetable juices, consider the work of Garnett Cheney, M.D. He had 100 peptic ulcer patients drink a quart of raw cabbage juice daily. The patients reported dramatically less pain, and X-ray examination confirmed faster healing time. There was no other change in their diet, and they did not have drug therapy. 81% of the patients were symptom-free within one week; over two-thirds were better in just four days. Average healing time for patients given standard hospital treatment was over a month. (Cheney, G: "Vitamin U Therapy of Peptic Ulcer," California Medicine, vol. 77, number 4, October, 1952) Dr. Cheney used cabbage juice to also treat gastric ulcers and duodenal ulcers. He clearly was onto something, which he called "Vitamin U" (for ulcer) for lack of a better name. Today, the cabbage family (cruciform) vegetables including Brussels sprouts, cauliflower and broccoli, are finally being recommended to help prevent diseases including cancer. Dr. Cheney was getting therapeutic results in four days with cabbage juice nearly 50 years ago! Do we really have to wait for orthodox medical approval of vegetables? I know of people who have utilized cabbage juice along with vegetarian diet and fasting to heal all forms of gastrointestinal diseases without drugs and without surgery. One person even cured her untreatable rectal bleeding with cabbage juice. The attending physician confirmed her excellent but unexplained progress, asking her what she was doing. She told the doctor of her diet and about cabbage juice. His response was, "No, that couldn’t be it." (From a G.I. disease-related article posted at http://doctoryourself.com/colitis.html ) — Over 100 articles (indexed by topic, or keyword with an on-site search engine) plus hundreds of scientific references on nutritional therapeutics are posted at http://doctoryourself.com Links to other clinical nutrition and alternative medicine sites are provided. Before you buy.
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To give you an idea of the therapeutic potential of vegetable juices, consider the work of Garnett Cheney, M.D. He had 100 peptic ulcer patients drink a quart of raw cabbage juice daily. The patients reported dramatically less pain, and X-ray examination confirmed faster healing time. There was no other change in their diet, and they did not have drug therapy. 81% of the patients were symptom-free within one week; over two-thirds were better in just four days.
Define "better"? Was that determination made endoscopically? How long was follow up to monitor for re-occurence? Average healing time for patients given standard hospital treatment was over a month. (Cheney, G: "Vitamin U Therapy of Peptic Ulcer," California Medicine, vol. 77, number 4, October, 1952)
Ulcer detection and ulcer treatment has changed enormously since 1952. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dr. Cheney used cabbage juice to also treat gastric ulcers and duodenal ulcers. He clearly was onto something, which he called "Vitamin U" (for ulcer) for lack of a better name. Today, the cabbage family (cruciform) vegetables including Brussels sprouts, cauliflower and broccoli, are finally being recommended to help prevent diseases including cancer. Dr. Cheney was getting therapeutic results in four days with cabbage juice nearly 50 years ago! Do we really have to wait for orthodox medical approval of vegetables? I know of people who have utilized cabbage juice along with vegetarian diet and fasting to heal all forms of gastrointestinal diseases without drugs and without surgery. One person even cured her untreatable rectal bleeding with cabbage juice. The attending physician confirmed her excellent but unexplained progress, asking her what she was doing. She told the doctor of her diet and about cabbage juice. His response was, "No, that couldn’t be it."
I doubt that any of these miracle cures happened to any of your clients. This is yet another made up story. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (From a G.I. disease-related article posted at http://deleted/colitis.html )
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Better? Pain-free and symptom free. 100 patients. No drugs. Medical doctor-conducted study at a hospital. Peer reviewed publication. Einstein died in 1955, and his relativity theory seems to still be true. Same with simple, effective, safe, natural vegetable-juice cures for ulcer. Would you like to read the paper? Any library’s interlibrary loan department will get you a copy. If you send me a self-addressed envelope with three ounces of US postage on it, I’ll copy one for you myself. You said that the rectal bleeding anecdote was a "made up story." At http://doctoryourself.com/rectal.html you can read for yourself the real-life account of this case of fairly severe idiopathic rectal bleeding that was cured by Dr. Cheney’s therapy. — Over 100 articles (indexed by topic, or keyword with an on-site search engine) plus hundreds of scientific references on nutritional therapeutics are posted at http://doctoryourself.com Links to other clinical nutrition and alternative medicine sites are provided. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – To give you an idea of the therapeutic potential of vegetable juices, consider the work of Garnett Cheney, M.D. He had 100 peptic ulcer patients drink a quart of raw cabbage juice daily. The patients reported dramatically less pain, and X-ray examination confirmed faster healing time. There was no other change in their diet, and they did not have drug therapy. 81% of the patients were symptom-free within one week; over two-thirds were better in just four days. Define "better"? Was that determination made endoscopically? How long was follow up to monitor for re-occurence? Average healing time for patients given standard hospital treatment was over a month. (Cheney, G: "Vitamin U Therapy of Peptic Ulcer," California Medicine, vol. 77, number 4, October, 1952) Ulcer detection and ulcer treatment has changed enormously since 1952. Dr. Cheney used cabbage juice to also treat gastric ulcers and duodenal ulcers. He clearly was onto something, which he called "Vitamin U" (for ulcer) for lack of a better name. Today, the cabbage family (cruciform) vegetables including Brussels sprouts, cauliflower and broccoli, are finally being recommended to help prevent diseases including cancer. Dr. Cheney was getting therapeutic results in four days with cabbage juice nearly 50 years ago! Do we really have to wait for orthodox medical approval of vegetables? I know of people who have utilized cabbage juice along with vegetarian diet and fasting to heal all forms of gastrointestinal diseases without drugs and without surgery. One person even cured her untreatable rectal bleeding with cabbage juice. The attending physician confirmed her excellent but unexplained progress, asking her what she was doing. She told the doctor of her diet and about cabbage juice. His response was, "No, that couldn’t be it." I doubt that any of these miracle cures happened to any of your clients. This is yet another made up story. (From a G.I. disease-related article posted at http://deleted/colitis.html )
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Now it’s magic healing "cabbage juice"… what next? I too believe it’s a typical made up story. There’s no end to the anecdotes and testimonials here on these alt.health NG’s. Just unproven, unsubstantiated testimonials… proven either. SHOW US THE PROOF! Jan
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To give you an idea of the therapeutic potential of vegetable juices,
Some have also had very good results with cultured cabbage juice. I have a friend who suffered with ulcerative colitis, undergoing treatments with many experimental drugs. His life was hell. His doctors wanted to remove his colon. Then he got smart: he educated himself in natural health, and set out to change all his life practices. Through a 100% raw vegetarian diet and fasting, he completely and permanently reversed his condition. He now teaches other people with degenerative colon disorders to completely reverse their conditions also. I myself completely healed myself of irritable bowel syndrome by following virtually the same program he teaches. For those who truly follow his program, he claims 100% success. He is for real, and has helped a lot of people. Habib Here is his website: http://www.colitis-crohns.com/
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.. but I understand totally.. plus their dad was a DOC…SOOOO it may add to the chances of a flare up.. but the diagnosis of CD is not the same at all as ulcerative colitis.. etc.. they are similar.. meaning the symptoms.. but when I was diagnosed.. I was diagnosed at least 6 different times.. in 6 states.. no one believed I had Crohns..I have been thru every drug treatment.. unfortunately I am allergic to sulfa..and I have tried 6MP.. prednisone,, and had a Hickman cathetar for 6 mos.. I could go on and on… BUT.. stress DOES NOT CAUSE CROHNS.. sorry I had to unload.. I am a newbie to these boards.. and I have been having a terrible time for over 4 yrs now.. I have had multiple surgeries.. by supposedly the "BEST".. and I am no better.. now I am trying Remicade.. and I am sooo sick.. Thanks for reading.. if anyone did… sorry to take up so much time.. I just REALLY needed to vent.. Thanks again… Bless u all.. and good health to those have such a thing as a good day… I am not being negative.. just honest… Please bear with me.. I am not a bad person.. AND I cant believe I am actually going to post this.. BUT HERE GOES.. Thanks again.. Bonnie.. the newbie on the block