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"Karen Kay" <ka…@wordwrite.com
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> > news:8amm7m$slv$1@samba.rahul.net… > >> gs <he…@rest.net> wrote: > >> >> Osteoporosis doesn’t cause pain. > >> >> Karen > >> > There are many that feel the disease itself causes the pain, and it is
actually the fractures resulting from having the disease. gs Can you explain this a bit more. Karen Umm…explain what? To be blunt, I can’t parse your sentence. Are you saying that the pain that someone feels from osteoporosis is caused directly by the disease of osteoporosis, and that this pain is not caused by fractures compressing nerves? Karen
NO, that isn’t what I meant. I meant to say, that osteoporosis by itself isn’t painful. It is the fractures which result from having the disease that causes the pain. Does this make more sense? gs
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> news:8anctk$3ur$1@samba.rahul.net… > > gs <he…@rest.net> wrote: > NO, that isn’t what I meant. I meant to say, that osteoporosis by itself > isn’t painful. It is the fractures which result from having the disease > that causes the pain. Does this make more sense? gs
Yes, this is the case. In fact one of the ways of dealing with osteoporosis is to work on keeping patients from falling, or padding themselves in case they do fall to prevent any fractures. Often these people are on drugs that destabilize their balance, or have problems with alcohol and this makes them more vulnerable. J
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> > news:8anctk$3ur$1@samba.rahul.net… > > > gs <he…@rest.net> wrote: > > NO, that isn’t what I meant. I meant to say, that osteoporosis by itself > > isn’t painful. It is the fractures which result from having the disease > > that causes the pain. Does this make more sense? gs > Yes, this is the case. In fact one of the ways of dealing with > osteoporosis is to work on keeping patients from falling, or padding > themselves in case they do fall to prevent any fractures. Often these > people are on drugs that destabilize their balance, or have problems with > alcohol and this makes them more vulnerable. > J > My Mom’s was so bad, that she didn’t have to fall to get fractures. She
had always been a big milk drinker, and insisted that we kids drink milk. I really believe it her Mom also had it, but there isn’t any proof. Her Mom broke her hip at 82, but her doctors never mentioned osteoporosis. My Mom also took calcium supplements. She had taken these for years because she would get leg cramps, especially at night. The doctor, 1960’s, told her this was due to a calcium deficiency. gs
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ti…@cheerful.com wrote:
I have "osteoporosis" (just – according to WHO figures) and recently skidded on hidden ice and went down SLAP on my behind with no time to even know what was happening so I made no attempt to save myself. I just lay there, astonished. Those of you who know me know that I am naturally wellpadded in that area, a fact for which I was grateful – no injury, not even a bruise
Increased weight is not all bad.
I am firmly convinced that this is the reason god gave us butts. (-; (And "making no attempt to save yourself" may have worked in your favor, tishy, since a lot of fractures are the *result* of the flailing about people do to try and keep from hurting themselves when they fall. Wrist fractures, in particular, come to mind …) –Pat Kight kig…@peak.org
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:26:03 GMT, "Eva D. Struction" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<EvaDSt…@aol.com
wrote: Karen Kay wrote in message <8apnlo$hl…@samba.rahul.net… Eva D. Struction <EvaDSt…@aol.com wrote: Karen Kay wrote in message <8apdhq$gh…@samba.rahul.net… I thought stress (i.e., gravity) fractures were much more common as a source of pain than fall fractures? ————– In my personal experience, when old women with osteoporosis have compression fractures of the lumbar vertebrae, which I guess is what you’re talking about, sometimes they have excruciating pain and sometimes they have very little pain, with a whole range of pain scale in between. When someone gets a pathological fracture of the hip (i.e. not due to trauma), this is usually someone who is bedridden or otherwise extremely debilitated. I have never heard of anyone who was ambulatory getting a pathological fracture of the hip or tibia/fibula. My grandmother. On her 95th birthday.:(. I thought this was common–that fractures cause falls. Hip fractures from falls can also range in pain from annoying to excruciating. It depends on a lot of factors, including the site of the fracture, the severity of the fracture, the type of surgery performed–"pinning" or "hip replacement"–how well the incision heals, whether the person has diabetes, arthritis, etc. …..lots of factors. Well, I’m not arguing the amount of pain, I was arguing sheer numbers. This is probably a ridiculous argument, since some stress fractures are asymptomatic. I retract anything I have had to say on this subject!:) —————– Ah, okay, I thought you *did* mean amount of pain. Incidentally, I qualify my remarks with "in my personal experience" because my experience is with nursing home residents, and I know they do *not* represent the entire population of elderly people. As for example, your grandmother. Eva
Or the very large numbers of women who manage on their own until they die, without ever breaking anything uinder *any* circumstances. Terri
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J.Prescott <joannapresc…@cableinet.co.uk
wrote: On 16 Mar 2000 12:38:05 GMT, c…@holyrood.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) wrote: Indeed, might Mother Nature not be anticipating need when she equips the older woman with a better cushioned posterior? I suspect she had a sex change before equipping me and just became Old Father Time.
Only in a.s.m. would you find a woman complaining because her butt’s not big enough. (-; –Pat Kight kig…@peak.org
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On 16 Mar 2000 17:47:26 GMT, kig…@ucs.orst.edu (Pat Kight) wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -
In article <r8o1dssebceom137n3du92dch5gi95d…@4ax.com, J.Prescott <joannapresc…@cableinet.co.uk wrote: On 16 Mar 2000 12:38:05 GMT, c…@holyrood.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) wrote: Indeed, might Mother Nature not be anticipating need when she equips the older woman with a better cushioned posterior? I suspect she had a sex change before equipping me and just became Old Father Time. Only in a.s.m. would you find a woman complaining because her butt’s not big enough. (-; –Pat Kight kig…@peak.org
Nah. Just come to one of my family reunions. You’ll see lots of buttless wonders. Terri
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Pat Kight <kig…@ucs.orst.edu writes: ti…@cheerful.com wrote: I have "osteoporosis" (just – according to WHO figures) and recently skidded on hidden ice and went down SLAP on my behind with no time to even know what was happening so I made no attempt to save myself. I just lay there, astonished. Those of you who know me know that I am naturally wellpadded in that area, a fact for which I was grateful – no injury, not even a bruise
And when taking care of parents, to make sure that you know the best way to assist them through difficult daily tasks like getting out of bed or moving around a slippery bathroom. I’m sure Eva knows all about this stuff. I’m still remembering not to lift my mom by the arms, how to get her situated on a shower chair, how to adhere rugs so they don’t slip, etc. There are good hints in a series done by CaregiverZone on their web site if anyone’s dealing with caregiving duty. I’m finding out that the ways to avoid falling are as various as the ways that a fall can hurt, at least for people my mom’s age. …. I’m Freddy by the way. I’ve been reading this list for a while, off and on, and just decided to slip into this conversation because this has been such an issue for us over the last year.
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On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 13:57:43 GMT, resa3…@my-deja.com wrote:
Resa again: I just thought that if every US citizen who could afford it paid a premium of $36 a month, it might provide adequqte medical insurance coverage for everyone and no tax dollars from other sources would be needed.
This is a joke, right? If every American paid $36 a month the total annual income would be (assuming a population of 300 million) $128,600,000,000. Do you really think that would pay for the healthcare of 300 million Americans? Good God, the preventative crap you keep arguing for costs more than the annual $432 USD each person would pay. Not much left over for $50,000 bypasses and half a million dollar transplants is there? Not much left for the prescription drugs for chronic illnesses either. Who do you suppose would underwrite this under these circumstances? Terri – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -
Again the Canadian system is a kind one. I understand that there is some problem with mounting costs. Because there are no cost controls in the US this might affect the introduction of newer technologies or medications in Canada and be making Canadian health care costs rise. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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In article <38fd61e4.93003…@news.erols.com, vl-hb…@erols.com (Terri) wrote: On 10 Mar 2000 20:39:55 GMT, resa3…@aol.com (Resa3558) wrote: Terri wrote re the "Worried Well" using her/her husband’s hard earned medical insurance see http://newslibrary.krmediastream.com/cgi-bin/search/wp. Article was published in the Washington Post Health Section on Oct 22,1999. The article begins with: "What’s most noticeable about the steady stream of patients into Charles F. Hoesch’s medical office in the Baltimore suburb of Perry Hall is how few are actually sick." Resa: Perhaps he should be on a trauma care team. Is this what you consider good information– a disgruntled doctor who has no people skills? I couldn’t access the site by the way.
Bullshit. You’re too cheap to pay the $2.50 it costs to get an archived story. You should have read it when it was available for free. But I note that without reading the article you have characterized it as the work of "a disgruntled doctor who has no people skills." Why is that? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -
Terri continuing: Sample paragraphs: "When the majority of the population is ’sick’ under some definition, it raisses the fundamental question: What is health? What is being well?" said Lisa M. Schwartz, a physician at Dartmouth Medical School and the White River Junction (Vt.) Veterans Hospital. "It makes you wonder whether we’ve lost the concept of health." "I think there will eventually be a backlash against the notion that we are all at risk for some kind of disease," said Robert Aronowitz, a physician and medical historian at the University of Pennsylvania. "I think people will come to realize there can be real harm in the diagnostic test that leads to the unnecessary surgery. They will see the ‘walking wounded’ where previously they saw the ‘worried well’ — or perhaps the ‘not worried at all.’ "
Interesting that you chose not to comment on this.
Several studies have found that both mental stress and workplace absenteeism tend to rise after people are told they have high blood pressure. From Resa: The number of premature deaths prevented by early treatment of hypertension is not being debated. Of course you think that treatment doesn’t stop the progression of the disease.
resa, you really need a course in remedial reading.
Is it your theory that everyone should overdose on over the counter painkillers resulting in a 5 day ICU $30,000 bill? No prevention necessary only only wait till a catastophic event?
Not overdose, dear. Take the amount recommended, rather than prescription painkillers to which I have idiosyncratic reactions in many cases. GI bleeds can and have occurred with one dose of aspirin. Your ignorance is showing again, dear.
By the way I wonder if someone who deals with health care in this way would be eligible for catastrophic coverage. IMO you are no cherry–chary yes.
Given that my insurance company has managed to keep 75% of the money I’ve paid them over the past 20 years, I suspect they’re quite happy with their bargain.
Terri:
Not Terri – the article in the Post continues: >One-quarter of women screened and found to >have osteoporosis chose to limit daily activities such as grocery >shopping, a decision that"paradoxically . . . might accelerate bone loss >and even increase the risk for fracture," wrote the authors of another >study. >Resa: Oh, what about the 3/4? Perhaps they try to increase their efforts >to prevent further deterioration? But any disease process that causes >pain might generally limit activities.
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"When Medicare was created 34 years ago, nobody imagined a healthy 65-year-old woman might take $225 worth of drugs per month — say, for hypertension, high cholesterol, osteoporosis and menopause — and then live to 83 (the actuarial prediction for women who reach 65). Now, such a scenario is being played out by millions of people." (End of quoted piece) Strange though it may seem to you, elderly does not translate into sick. Resa: Have you been reading anything about the number of arthritic diseases and autoimmune diseases that affect women? The elderly go to physicians because they have pain, discomfort, loss of quality of life.
Resa, the elderly people I know don’t spend their lives in doctor’s offices. They carry on their daily activities and live out their lives quite happily without benefit of endless doctor visits and medicines.
Too bad you begrudge them your husband’s insurance moneys. The terrible results of stroke which cause more long term disability than any other neurological disease have been mitigated by effective treatment of hypertension.
Hypertension is easy to diagnose and monitor and cheap to treat. Why the hell do you keep harping on it. There are millions and millions of people with hypertension living normal lives. Of course they remember that they have hypertension and don’t take drugs that are contraindicated in people with hypertension, controlled or not. Terri – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -
It seems very strange to me that someone who is basically so anti-medicine, judgemental and unsympathetic became a nurse. Resa Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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I tried it, too. The link provided said "Gateway Error" and didn’t work, so I went to the Washington Post website per your suggestion. A search for ‘worried well’ doesn’t work if you search in "Health", but it works if you search "A" Section (where the article actually appeared) or All Sections. Marilee * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
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On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:55:52 -0800, Marilee <coldbrrrNOcoS…@netscape.net.invalid
wrote: I tried it, too. The link provided said "Gateway Error" and didn’t work, so I went to the Washington Post website per your suggestion. A search for ‘worried well’ doesn’t work if you search in "Health", but it works if you search "A" Section (where the article actually appeared) or All Sections. Marilee
Oops. When I went looking last Friday I think I did the same thing. I somehow remembered it as being in the Health section and when I couldn’t get it, I clicked on all sections and it appeared. And then I noticed that the date was a Friday so it couldn’t have been in the Health section which comes out on Tues. My apologies. Terri – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -
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"Karen Kay" <ka…@wordwrite.com
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resa3…@my-deja.com wrote: Terri: One-quarter of women screened and found to have osteoporosis chose to limit daily activities such as grocery shopping, a decision that"paradoxically . . . might accelerate bone loss and even increase the risk for fracture," wrote the authors of another study. Resa: Oh, what about the 3/4? Perhaps they try to increase their efforts to prevent further deterioration? But any disease process that causes pain might generally limit activities. Osteoporosis doesn’t cause pain. Karen
There are many that feel the disease itself causes the pain, and it is actually the fractures resulting from having the disease. gs
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gs <he…@rest.net wrote: Osteoporosis doesn’t cause pain. Karen There are many that feel the disease itself causes the pain, and it is actually the fractures resulting from having the disease. gs Can you explain this a bit more. Karen Umm…explain what?
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> news:8amm7m$slv$1@samba.rahul.net… > > gs <he…@rest.net> wrote: > > >> Osteoporosis doesn’t cause pain. > > >> Karen > > > There are many that feel the disease itself causes the pain, and it is > > > actually the fractures resulting from having the disease. gs > > Can you explain this a bit more. > > Karen > > Umm…explain what?
I don’t know exactly what is wrong, but I’m having a really terrible time today! More of a problem than I normally do, with posting, writing, finding posts. I’m not trying to be flippant or rude. It is a day of too much pain, new diagnosis, too many decisions to be made, and my brain is way into overload. gs
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On 14 Mar 2000 17:09:06 GMT, Karen Kay <ka…@wordwrite.com
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Terri <vl-hb…@erols.com
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>> On 14 Mar 2000 16:14:00 GMT, Karen Kay <ka…@wordwrite.com
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>>>Terri <vl-hb…@erols.com
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>>>> On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:31:23 GMT, resa3…@my-deja.com wrote: >>>>>In article <38fd61e4.93003…@news.erols.com>, >>>>>vl-hb…@erols.com (Terri) wrote: >>>>>> On 10 Mar 2000 20:39:55 GMT, resa3…@aol.com (Resa3558) wrote: >>>>>Terri wrote re the "Worried Well" using her/her husband’s hard earned >>>>>medical insurance >>>>>> see >>>>>> http://newslibrary.krmediastream.com/cgi-bin/search/wp. >>>… >>>>>Resa: Perhaps he should be on a trauma care team. Is this what you >>>>>consider good information– a disgruntled doctor who has no people >>>>>skills? I couldn’t access the site by the way. >>>> Bullshit. You’re too cheap to pay the $2.50 it costs to get an >>>> archived story. >>>FTR, I couldn’t get to it either. I think this is an unfair >>>accusation. >>>Karen >> Then go the Washington Post web site. Click on archives. Go to Health >> Search the Oct 22/1999 edition using "worried well" or any other >> distinctive phrase in the quoted paragraphs as your search term. >I did that. The web site hung. I tried three times and gave up. >Karen
Works for me. All I can say is try again later. Terri
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On 14 Mar 2000 16:14:00 GMT, Karen Kay <ka…@wordwrite.com
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>> On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:31:23 GMT, resa3…@my-deja.com wrote: >>>In article <38fd61e4.93003…@news.erols.com>, >>>vl-hb…@erols.com (Terri) wrote: >>>> On 10 Mar 2000 20:39:55 GMT, resa3…@aol.com (Resa3558) wrote: >>>Terri wrote re the "Worried Well" using her/her husband’s hard earned >>>medical insurance >>>> see >>>> http://newslibrary.krmediastream.com/cgi-bin/search/wp. >… >>>Resa: Perhaps he should be on a trauma care team. Is this what you >>>consider good information– a disgruntled doctor who has no people >>>skills? I couldn’t access the site by the way. >> Bullshit. You’re too cheap to pay the $2.50 it costs to get an >> archived story. >FTR, I couldn’t get to it either. I think this is an unfair >accusation. >Karen
Then go the Washington Post web site. Click on archives. Go to Health Search the Oct 22/1999 edition using "worried well" or any other distinctive phrase in the quoted paragraphs as your search term. The opening paragraph will come up and if you want to read the rest you have to pay a fee of $2.50. I provided the date, the section, and the opening paragraph in my post on Friday. If the link didn’t work, there was plenty of information to get it for yourself. As for unfair accusations…. Terri
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Terri wrote in message <38fd61e4.93003…@news.erols.com
… On 10 Mar 2000 20:39:55 GMT, resa3…@aol.com (Resa3558) wrote: 3) Terri: Healthy people don’t need medical care. Why should they pay for access to care they neither need nor want.
Why don’t healthy people need insurance? gs
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Kathryn wrote: To set the record straight. We pay premiums too. ( No premiums for those with low incomes ) . Each province has a different system. I just want to point this out that we don’t think of this as "free system" I know the premiums are laughably low compared to those in the US, about $36.00 a month for a single person, but if that is what you are used to paying it still seems like you are contributing directly to the health insurance system. Oh drugs are separate. Kathryn Resa: Thanks for setting the record straight. I like the Canadian Health Care System and hope that we will one day get something similar in the US. Are any tax dollars applied to paying for the Canadian Health Care costs? Also do the elderly have a hard time buying needed prescription drugs? In the US it is a terrible problem. This is why I get quite upset when someone proposes
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