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chrohns disease and diet

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Well, I’m not Connie, but I hope you don’t mind me butting in. Tofu has very little taste in and of itself. Very bland and the texture can be a little annoying. Tofu comes in firm and soft. The soft is sort of just goo… Some people have a problem with this texture; same issue as with things like oysters and the like. Firm tofu is more like a soft cheese. Both types of tofu will absorb almost any flavor they are cooked with. So, yes, your idea of frying it with lots of garlic might be the trick, if you like garlic! Check www.recipesource.com for suggestions on recipes with tofu. Les – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ugh, I hate Tofu.  You can tell me how good it is for you a million times and it will never enter this body again, at least while it isn’t sedated Dear Connie: I have a question for you…I have never tasted tofu.  What does it taste like?  (If it’s that nasty, can ya fry it with lots a garlic???  LOL!) Honestly though, my first question was sincere.  What does tofu taste like? Thanks.   Love, Margie CD Class of 67 UC Class of 96

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Ugh, I hate Tofu.  You can tell me how good it is for you a million times and it will never enter this body again, at least while it isn’t sedated

Dear Connie:   I have a question for you…I have never tasted tofu.  What does it taste like?  (If it’s that nasty, can ya fry it with lots a garlic???  LOL!) Honestly though, my first question was sincere.  What does tofu taste like? Thanks.   Love,   Margie CD Class of 67 UC Class of 96

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Regarding milk…. is it the lactose in milk that has a negative effect during a flare? By the way, the Ensure I take says on the lable "lactose-free". Roland.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just a thought… Since Boost and Ensure are milk based, they might not be the best thing during an active flare. At least they bother the hell out of me during those times… During an active flare, you typically want bowel rest. That means clear liquids. Ugh, I hate Tofu.  You can tell me how good it is for you a million times and it will never enter this body again, at least while it isn’t sedated lol. Don’t know what effect it would have, but shouldn’t have a negative effect I would think unless you fried it. I take some of the dullness out of Ensure by throwing in a Boost here and there.  Big whoop heh? Good luck and thank you for being so kind to be a caregiver. Connie Crohn’s ‘71 my main thought was tofu….does any one eat it? and is it too much fibre?  thanks forall your responses

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No. Not primarily… If you’re lactose-intolerant, the lactose will create gas, which can aggravate the flare, but that’s secondary. The primary problem would be the complex milk proteins. They require quite a bit of effort to digest. Les – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Regarding milk…. is it the lactose in milk that has a negative effect during a flare? By the way, the Ensure I take says on the lable "lactose-free". Roland. Just a thought… Since Boost and Ensure are milk based, they might not be the best thing during an active flare. At least they bother the hell out of me during those times… During an active flare, you typically want bowel rest. That means clear liquids. Ugh, I hate Tofu.  You can tell me how good it is for you a million times and it will never enter this body again, at least while it isn’t sedated lol. Don’t know what effect it would have, but shouldn’t have a negative effect I would think unless you fried it. I take some of the dullness out of Ensure by throwing in a Boost here and there.  Big whoop heh? Good luck and thank you for being so kind to be a caregiver. Connie Crohn’s ‘71 my main thought was tofu….does any one eat it? and is it too much fibre?  thanks forall your responses

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Hi John, Tofu often causes me intense pain, gas and bloating. I really like tofu in stir fry, or as scrambled tofu or tofu (like egg) salad, so every once in a while I try again and get the same results. – Didn’t I hear that described as the definition of insanity – to keep trying the same thing over and over expecting different results? : ) I think that soy has many beneficial qualities for overall health, particularly for women, so I do drink moderate amounts of soy milk. That seems to do fine and it helps me to avoid too much dairy. Thank you for being a caregiver and for your willingness to research this disease. Welcome – keep us posted on how things are going. Hugs & prayers, Dotsie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – my main thought was tofu….does any one eat it? and is it too much fibre?  thanks forall your responses

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my main thought was tofu….does any one eat it? and is it too much fibre?  thanks forall your responses

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Ugh, I hate Tofu.  You can tell me how good it is for you a million times and it will never enter this body again, at least while it isn’t sedated lol. Don’t know what effect it would have, but shouldn’t have a negative effect I would think unless you fried it. I take some of the dullness out of Ensure by throwing in a Boost here and there.  Big whoop heh? Good luck and thank you for being so kind to be a caregiver. Connie Crohn’s ‘71

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – my main thought was tofu….does any one eat it? and is it too much fibre?  thanks forall your responses

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Sounds like some good questions to ask her gastroenterologist. I can only speak for myself. I’ve had Crohn’s for over 25 years. I can’t tolerate soy except in small doses. Fresh/frozen soy beans (Japanese edamame) for example, I can do. Almost any kind of processed soy and I’m in the bathroom with violent diarrhea in less than an hour. Crude fiber like psyllium seed is not often recommended when you have Crohn’s. Soluble fiber like apple pectin would probably be better. Stress definitely has an negative impact on any gastrointestinal diseases. The intestinal tract has more nervous tissue than any other part of the body except for the brain. Recent studies have shown that the body actually has a secondary, very primitive brain in the intestinal tract. That "gut feeling" you have about things is actually input from this secondary brain. This intestinal brain apparently is very emotional whereas the primary brain is more rational. Les – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – question to group……I am a new visitor to the group. I am a caregiver and have taken a lady into my home to care for her. she has had crohns disease for forty some years…..she is wonering if anyone has sucessfully utillized soy products as a means to gain a high protien low prevent intestinal impaction…..thanks to the group for any further insights for us to better care for my new friend…..and also the relationship of stress to flare ups of CD…respectfully……John L.

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Tofu has very little fiber in it. It’s basically congealed soy milk, sort of like cheese is congealed cow’s or goat’s milk. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – my main thought was tofu….does any one eat it? and is it too much fibre?  thanks forall your responses

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Just a thought… Since Boost and Ensure are milk based, they might not be the best thing during an active flare. At least they bother the hell out of me during those times… During an active flare, you typically want bowel rest. That means clear liquids. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ugh, I hate Tofu.  You can tell me how good it is for you a million times and it will never enter this body again, at least while it isn’t sedated lol. Don’t know what effect it would have, but shouldn’t have a negative effect I would think unless you fried it. I take some of the dullness out of Ensure by throwing in a Boost here and there.  Big whoop heh? Good luck and thank you for being so kind to be a caregiver. Connie Crohn’s ‘71 my main thought was tofu….does any one eat it? and is it too much fibre?  thanks forall your responses

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi there, I personally haven tried soy products; I rather use Ensure when I feel I can’t tolerate regular food. It is very expensive because I can have episodes that can last for many days, even several weeks, and I take an average of 15 cans per day. I don’t know if soy products would be adequate and/or less expensive. In what concerns psyllium seeds (I assume you mean Matamucil), I think it should not be taken when one has a bad episode of CD or UC. My gastroenterologist recommended me to take Prodiem (soluble fibre) a while ago when I was doing very well, but a few months ago, I started to have a relapse and he told me to eliminate it totally. I haven’t yet started to take it again, as I am not doing well at all. I am taking 4.5 g  of Salofalk per day (which apparently is the maximum dose) and 9 mg of Entocort in the morning. My meals are still very boring in terms of variety and taste, and I complement them with Ensure. If you find out if soy products are permitted, please let us know, Thanks, Roland question to group……I am a new visitor to the group. I am a caregiver and have taken a lady into my home to care for her. she has had crohns disease for forty some years…..she is wonering if anyone has sucessfully utillized soy products as a means to gain a high protien low prevent intestinal impaction…..thanks to the group for any further insights for us to better care for my new friend…..and also the relationship of stress to flare ups of CD…respectfully……John L.

hi john hope this comes out as i started one and then decided to rewrite it i have heard both good and bad on soy..like other stuff..whats good for one person is poison to another lol..i personally cannot tolerate metamucil or any of those..i get wicked ill..much more sick than regular day to day ibd…i use raw veggies and fruits and granola for fibre if i am not doing too badly..if i am (like now) i will nibble on other cereals dry(cheerios, applejacks etc..even sugar pops)..also has some fibre and not as tough on the tummy as for stress physical? as in exercise..weather ..totally has a lot to do with it mental? i am guessing thats what you mean—yes and no it does NOT cause it..it does NOT cause real bouts of it like with any physical illness..mental stress can make it seem worse and can increase some of the symptoms…especially nausea, diarrhea and pain..but i have had some of my worst times when i was calm and happy(like living in germany..i got terrificly sick there in the fall)..yet i can have some horrific times(like with certain teenagers) and be totally near symptom -free.. obviously when u arent well also and this is now a reverse relationship…the stress gets to u more..u already dont feel so great…tummy etc hurts like hell..fever is high ,,big D keeping you on the toilet and the arthritis symptoms are paralyzing..to THEN have stress on top of it..well..i blew my cool over something last night that normally would have ticked me off a lot..but not made me explode..but i was physically way down..i did NOT need that stress… so it kind of works both ways..but it doesnt doesnt doesnt cause it..we know that..and we wish the world knew it..cos i am tired of nonibd people who find out i have ibd saying"oh if you would relax you would be as healthy as i am "(grrrrrrr..makes me want them to walk in my shoes for a day..no..sit on my toilet for a day..no…again…have my insides for a day..yeah..there we go) good luck and lovely that you are caring for someone..and here we all are for your support when u need us.. annie

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Hi John first let me say I am very happy when I see someone come to the group looking for education and information to be the care giver.  I too have Crohn’s. Stess is definitely a flare enemy.  I have a flare myself waiting to see if my son also has CD.  Soy never really helped me to be honest and I didn’t like it.  Is she showing signs of mal absorptions to want to know this?  Some fibers for me help (magic word is some and little). I try to get most of what I need naturally.  I do have trouble with mal absorptions of many things I need so I get blood drawn quite frequently and then we adjust as needed.  If a blockage is going on the best to do is see her dr.  Ususally bowel  rests helps which means easy liquids.  Feel free to email me.  Got to go.  UM MOM Susan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – question to group……I am a new visitor to the group. I am a caregiver and have taken a lady into my home to care for her. she has had crohns disease for forty some years…..she is wonering if anyone has sucessfully utillized soy products as a means to gain a high protien low prevent intestinal impaction…..thanks to the group for any further insights for us to better care for my new friend…..and also the relationship of stress to flare ups of CD…respectfully……John L.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi there, I personally haven tried soy products; I rather use Ensure when I feel I can’t tolerate regular food. It is very expensive because I can have episodes that can last for many days, even several weeks, and I take an average of 15 cans per day. I don’t know if soy products would be adequate and/or less expensive. In what concerns psyllium seeds (I assume you mean Matamucil), I think it should not be taken when one has a bad episode of CD or UC. My gastroenterologist recommended me to take Prodiem (soluble fibre) a while ago when I was doing very well, but a few months ago, I started to have a relapse and he told me to eliminate it totally. I haven’t yet started to take it again, as I am not doing well at all. I am taking 4.5 g  of Salofalk per day (which apparently is the maximum dose) and 9 mg of Entocort in the morning. My meals are still very boring in terms of variety and taste, and I complement them with Ensure. If you find out if soy products are permitted, please let us know, Thanks, Roland question to group……I am a new visitor to the group. I am a caregiver and have taken a lady into my home to care for her. she has had crohns disease for forty some years…..she is wonering if anyone has sucessfully utillized soy products as a means to gain a high protien low prevent intestinal impaction…..thanks to the group for any further insights for us to better care for my new friend…..and also the relationship of stress to flare ups of CD…respectfully……John L.

hi i have heard of soy being good for some..but i have heard of soy being bad for some<g here we go again..as for psyllium..if THAT is what is in metamucil..well i cannot tolerate that stuff at all..i get terrible D with it not to mention much worse pain and sometimes vomiting..so i dont use any of that..for "fiber" i eat raw veggies and fruits..still some pain but not the horrid reaction as the other..and i also munch as a snack on dry cereal..sometimes granola if i feel up to it..if not..cheerios or anything..even sugar pops <g probably u should talk to the lady’s doctor to see whats good for her..and to her of course… how nice of you taking care of her..good luck to you …we are here if u need any support.. annie

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question to group……I am a new visitor to the group. I am a caregiver and have taken a lady into my home to care for her. she has had crohns disease for forty some years…..she is wonering if anyone has sucessfully utillized soy products as a means to gain a high protien low prevent intestinal impaction…..thanks to the group for any further insights for us to better care for my new friend…..and also the relationship of stress to flare ups of CD…respectfully……John L.

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Hi there, I personally haven tried soy products; I rather use Ensure when I feel I can’t tolerate regular food. It is very expensive because I can have episodes that can last for many days, even several weeks, and I take an average of 15 cans per day. I don’t know if soy products would be adequate and/or less expensive. In what concerns psyllium seeds (I assume you mean Matamucil), I think it should not be taken when one has a bad episode of CD or UC. My gastroenterologist recommended me to take Prodiem (soluble fibre) a while ago when I was doing very well, but a few months ago, I started to have a relapse and he told me to eliminate it totally. I haven’t yet started to take it again, as I am not doing well at all. I am taking 4.5 g  of Salofalk per day (which apparently is the maximum dose) and 9 mg of Entocort in the morning. My meals are still very boring in terms of variety and taste, and I complement them with Ensure. If you find out if soy products are permitted, please let us know, Thanks, Roland

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – question to group……I am a new visitor to the group. I am a caregiver and have taken a lady into my home to care for her. she has had crohns disease for forty some years…..she is wonering if anyone has sucessfully utillized soy products as a means to gain a high protien low prevent intestinal impaction…..thanks to the group for any further insights for us to better care for my new friend…..and also the relationship of stress to flare ups of CD…respectfully……John L.

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Advice needed in the UK

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Hello again. My experience with them & surgery is that if you are in a bad way ie. pain, suffering, etc. they don’t wait long.  They do quite a few tests to make sure of the particular problem & then book you in. My tests were a bit inconclusive, but due to bad pain & complications, they went ahead & operated & since then (touch wood) this is the first virtually pain free time I have had for ages. Just hang in tight there & they should get you sorted ! — Take out trash to email me back . .

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for the encouragement.  I’m seeing Professor Philips.  Do you know how long they wait for you to have surgery.  My current G.I. wants me to have a J-Pouch, but I want try a few things out first. I’m really scared of the whole thing. Faisal I am sure you will be in good hands (so to speak) at St. Marks.  As I mentioned, this hospital deals only with stomach probs, so I like to think they are specialists in theie field.  There is also a good support group called Inside Out, but I think it is mainly for Ostomists tho.  Hope your appointment goes well ! — Take out trash to email me back . . I’m going to St Mark’s for an appointment with a surgeon next week for my UC. I’m still trying to avoid surgery, but I could do with a good consultant. I can’t remember the Doctor I’m going to be seeing.         I have had three major ops done, and the best hospital to be treated (in my opinion) is St Marks, part of Northwick Park Hospital in Harrow, London.         St. Marks  is dedicated only to everything stomach wise, so have the knowledge to diagnose & treat well.  My surgeon their was Professor Nicholls & touch wood, I havent had anymore complications, unlike when I was treated by The Royal Free Hospital, London. I hope this is helpful. — Take out trash to email me back . .

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Thanks for the encouragement.  I’m seeing Professor Philips.  Do you know how long they wait for you to have surgery.  My current G.I. wants me to have a J-Pouch, but I want try a few things out first. I’m really scared of the whole thing. Faisal

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am sure you will be in good hands (so to speak) at St. Marks.  As I mentioned, this hospital deals only with stomach probs, so I like to think they are specialists in theie field.  There is also a good support group called Inside Out, but I think it is mainly for Ostomists tho.  Hope your appointment goes well ! — Take out trash to email me back . . I’m going to St Mark’s for an appointment with a surgeon next week for my UC. I’m still trying to avoid surgery, but I could do with a good consultant. I can’t remember the Doctor I’m going to be seeing.         I have had three major ops done, and the best hospital to be treated (in my opinion) is St Marks, part of Northwick Park Hospital in Harrow, London.         St. Marks  is dedicated only to everything stomach wise, so have the knowledge to diagnose & treat well.  My surgeon their was Professor Nicholls & touch wood, I havent had anymore complications, unlike when I was treated by The Royal Free Hospital, London. I hope this is helpful. — Take out trash to email me back . .

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I am sure you will be in good hands (so to speak) at St. Marks.  As I mentioned, this hospital deals only with stomach probs, so I like to think they are specialists in theie field.  There is also a good support group called Inside Out, but I think it is mainly for Ostomists tho.  Hope your appointment goes well ! — Take out trash to email me back . .

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m going to St Mark’s for an appointment with a surgeon next week for my UC. I’m still trying to avoid surgery, but I could do with a good consultant. I can’t remember the Doctor I’m going to be seeing.         I have had three major ops done, and the best hospital to be treated (in my opinion) is St Marks, part of Northwick Park Hospital in Harrow, London.         St. Marks  is dedicated only to everything stomach wise, so have the knowledge to diagnose & treat well.  My surgeon their was Professor Nicholls & touch wood, I havent had anymore complications, unlike when I was treated by The Royal Free Hospital, London. I hope this is helpful. — Take out trash to email me back . .

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Dear All, I am writing this message on behalf of a work colleague who has asked me to research the internet for details of Chrohns diesease, which her partner is currently in hospital from. She has asked me to ask for any recommedations you may have for specialist consultant in the UK and in particular, in her words the "top" surgeon in the field of gastro entology.

Two of the best Crohn’s surgeons in the world are reputed to be T. Yamamoto and Michael R.B. Keighley. I don’t know where they are affiliated exactly but it is located in Birmingham; that should get you started.

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I’m going to St Mark’s for an appointment with a surgeon next week for my UC. I’m still trying to avoid surgery, but I could do with a good consultant. I can’t remember the Doctor I’m going to be seeing.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –         I have had three major ops done, and the best hospital to be treated (in my opinion) is St Marks, part of Northwick Park Hospital in Harrow, London.         St. Marks  is dedicated only to everything stomach wise, so have the knowledge to diagnose & treat well.  My surgeon their was Professor Nicholls & touch wood, I havent had anymore complications, unlike when I was treated by The Royal Free Hospital, London. I hope this is helpful. — Take out trash to email me back . . Dear All, I am writing this message on behalf of a work colleague who has asked me to research the internet for details of Chrohns diesease, which her partner is currently in hospital from. She has asked me to ask for any recommedations you may have for specialist consultant in the UK and in particular, in her words the "top" surgeon in the field of gastro entology. Whilst it is probally difficult for anyone to say who is the best, can anyone give her some recomendations of any private consultants? We have managed to find lots and lots of useful info about the condition itself, but unfortunately no doctors/consultants in the UK who can deal specifically with the condition, so hopefully one of you may be able to help! Thank you in advance to all that can help Shirley Bissett

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By the way, I was an NHS patient & not private, but they do private treatment aswell — Take out trash to email me back . .

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear All, I am writing this message on behalf of a work colleague who has asked me to research the internet for details of Chrohns diesease, which her partner is currently in hospital from. She has asked me to ask for any recommedations you may have for specialist consultant in the UK and in particular, in her words the "top" surgeon in the field of gastro entology. Whilst it is probally difficult for anyone to say who is the best, can anyone give her some recomendations of any private consultants? We have managed to find lots and lots of useful info about the condition itself, but unfortunately no doctors/consultants in the UK who can deal specifically with the condition, so hopefully one of you may be able to help! Thank you in advance to all that can help Shirley Bissett

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        I have had three major ops done, and the best hospital to be treated (in my opinion) is St Marks, part of Northwick Park Hospital in Harrow, London.         St. Marks  is dedicated only to everything stomach wise, so have the knowledge to diagnose & treat well.  My surgeon their was Professor Nicholls & touch wood, I havent had anymore complications, unlike when I was treated by The Royal Free Hospital, London. I hope this is helpful. — Take out trash to email me back . .

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear All, I am writing this message on behalf of a work colleague who has asked me to research the internet for details of Chrohns diesease, which her partner is currently in hospital from. She has asked me to ask for any recommedations you may have for specialist consultant in the UK and in particular, in her words the "top" surgeon in the field of gastro entology. Whilst it is probally difficult for anyone to say who is the best, can anyone give her some recomendations of any private consultants? We have managed to find lots and lots of useful info about the condition itself, but unfortunately no doctors/consultants in the UK who can deal specifically with the condition, so hopefully one of you may be able to help! Thank you in advance to all that can help Shirley Bissett

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Dear All, I am writing this message on behalf of a work colleague who has asked me to research the internet for details of Chrohns diesease, which her partner is currently in hospital from. She has asked me to ask for any recommedations you may have for specialist consultant in the UK and in particular, in her words the "top" surgeon in the field of gastro entology. Whilst it is probally difficult for anyone to say who is the best, can anyone give her some recomendations of any private consultants? We have managed to find lots and lots of useful info about the condition itself, but unfortunately no doctors/consultants in the UK who can deal specifically with the condition, so hopefully one of you may be able to help! Thank you in advance to all that can help Shirley Bissett

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Calcium Supplements

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For those of you that hate taking calcium pills, there is something new out there called vactiv.  It’s very good, has half the daily recommended amount of calcium 500 mg.  And what’s even better is that it is chocolate, and it tastes like chocolate.  It also has vitamins D and K. They are individually wrapped too, and taste good. ~Angel – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear Ken, I really appreciate this information as I have osteroporsis and have been taking calcium carbonate for years. I will be looking for the calcium citrate. Do you have a reliable brand or brands I could select from. Thank you. Liz, CD

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Ken, Thanks for the informative posting on calcium supplements. I currently take 20 grains (1300 mgs) which gives me 520 mgs of elemental calcium. My source is  Calcium Carbonate, and altough it does not contain any of the heavy metals you listed, I am going to check with my GI to find a better source. Once again, thanks for the info, it was very useful to me. Mark CD c/o 88

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Tell him to check page 341 of his PDR  (Physicians Desk Reference) He will find USANA there. Glad to hear you appreciated it. Ken.W

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ken, Thanks for the informative posting on calcium supplements. I currently take 20 grains (1300 mgs) which gives me 520 mgs of elemental calcium. My source is  Calcium Carbonate, and altough it does not contain any of the heavy metals you listed, I am going to check with my GI to find a better source. Once again, thanks for the info, it was very useful to me. Mark CD c/o 88

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Dear Ken, I really appreciate this information as I have osteroporsis and have been taking calcium carbonate for years. I will be looking for the calcium citrate. Do you have a reliable brand or brands I could select from. Thank you. Liz, CD

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Howdy Liz……  Here is a posting i grabbed that jennifer from the canadian chrohns board had posted recently.Although maybe just a tad dated it still holds some great information about Calcium Supplements. Calcium Supplements While the fortification of foods with calcium is a public health approach to increasing calcium intake, the use of calcium supplements is an individual, and for the most part, self-directed approach. Because intake of calcium supplements is mainly self-directed, a number of concerns have been raised regarding their use. A critical question is whether or not intake of calcium supplements is necessary. And if so, which calcium supplement is the best for the particular individual? Other issues include the safety and cost of calcium supplements. Concern about dietary supplements in general recently resulted in new FDA regulations for both nutrition labeling and health claims for dietary supplements. Effective July 1995, labels for dietary supplements of calcium (and other dietary supplements) must provide the same basic nutritional information as found on the labels of nearly all conventional foods. The new rules also authorize health claims for calcium and osteoporosis on dietary supplements, effective July 1994. The demand for calcium supplements is reflected by retail sales data. In 1993, calcium supplements accounted for 6.7% of total supplement sales or $245 million a year in the U.S.. Between 1991 and 1994, sales for calcium supplements increased 30%. Reasons why individuals take calcium supplements are varied and include: concerns about the adequacy of the calcium content of their diets; misconceptions that calcium sources such as dairy foods increase fat intake and promote undesirable weight gain; perceived or actual milk protein allergy/lactose intolerance; and a desire to provide insurance against calcium deficiency or to treat or prevent disease. According to a recent review of calcium preparations, there are at least a dozen common calcium preparations and hundreds of different formulations available. Calcium carbonate is the most common preparation; some others include tricalcium phosphate, dicalcium phosphate, bone meal, calcium citrate-malate, oyster shell, calcium lactate, and calcium gluconate. These calcium preparations differ in a variety of ways. Calcium carbonate has the highest concentration of calcium by weight (40%), whereas calcium citrate has 21% calcium and calcium phosphate has 8% calcium by weight. Although calcium carbonate has the highest concentration of calcium by weight, this form of calcium is relatively insoluble, especially at a neutral pH. In contrast, calcium citrate, although containing about half as much calcium by weight, is a more soluble form of calcium. Because calcium citrate does not require gastric acid for absorption, it is a better choice for patients with achlorhydria (i.e., limited gastric acid production). In addition to the amount (dosage) of calcium in various supplements, the solubility and absorption of calcium must be considered. In general, there are not large differences in the absorption of calcium from different calcium supplements or foods. However, the solubility of calcium supplement preparations needs to be considered. Prior to absorption, calcium preparations must dissociate into elemental calcium. The more soluble a calcium supplement product is in vitro (i.e., measured by the ability to dissolve in 6 ounces of vinegar within 30 minutes), the more soluble the calcium preparation is in the body. Because of better manufacturing processes, name brand supplements may be more bioavailable than generic products. While dosage and solubility can influence the bioavailability of calcium from calcium supplements, the timing of intake and meal conditions also are important. Calcium from supplements appears to be more efficiently absorbed when consumed in divided doses, each containing less than 500 mg of elemental calcium. The NIH Consensus Conference recommends consuming calcium supplements between meals to increase calcium bioavailabilty. The long-term safety of consuming large doses of single nutrients including calcium is of concern. Although calcium intakes up to 2,000 mg/day appear to be safe for most individuals, potential adverse effects can occur as a result of chronic high intakes or intakes of specific calcium preparations. Potential adverse effects include gastrointestinal problems such as constipation. Certain preparations of calcium (e.g., bone meal, dolomite) may contain contaminants such as lead, aluminum, arsenic, mercury, and cadmium. Significant amounts were identified in calcium carbonate supplements labeled oyster shell or natural source. Chronic intake of these supplements may pose an unnecessary risk. Most commercial calcium preparations are tested for heavy metal contamination. High intakes of calcium supplements may interfere with the absorption of other nutrients such as iron and zinc. Intake of calcium supplements also may interfere with the absorption of concurrently consumed medications, and vice versa. Other potential adverse effects of chronic intakes of high doses of calcium include milk-alkali syndrome (ectopic calcium deposition), hypervitaminosis D (i.e., in the case of supplements containing calcium and vitamin D), and possible hypercalciuria leading to kidney stone formation. However, recent studies indicate that increased intake of calcium does not increase risk of kidney stones. Moreover, restricting dietary calcium may increase urinary excretion of oxalate which in turn increases risk of kidney stones. Cost among various calcium supplements differs widely. According to a recent review of 15 different calcium preparations, wholesale cost ranged from $1.20 to almost $60.00 for a one month supply of 1,000 mg calcium/day. Despite these differences, no clear evidence of increased benefit appears to exist among the various preparations. For certain individuals who cannot meet their calcium needs from foods, calcium supplements are warranted. However as reviewed above, a number of factors influence the choice of calcium preparation. Individuals who need calcium supplements should choose one that contains a relatively high percentage of elemental calcium by weight, disintegrates readily, provides a form of calcium that is bioavailable and inexpensive, is manufactured by a reputable pharmaceutical company, and is free of toxicants. In general, absorption of calcium is most efficient when the supplement is consumed in doses of 500 mg or less. Intake of calcium supplements with vitamin D should be limited because of the risk for vitamin D toxicity. I use  A Pharmaceutical grade Calcium supplement from USANA called Actical.That way you are guaranteed no lead in the Calcium Supplement.Supplement companies that adhere to GMP for Pharmaceuticals are under a much stricter guideline.If there ingredient list does not contain lead than that pill cannot contain lead. It is Laboratory Tested.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear Ken, I really appreciate this information as I have osteroporsis and have been taking calcium carbonate for years. I will be looking for the calcium citrate. Do you have a reliable brand or brands I could select from. Thank you. Liz, CD

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Supplement minerals come in three basic forms – salts, metallic ions and chelated (bound with a protein). Each form determines how much of the element eventually gets to the human cell for use. If we use calcium supplements as an example, calcium carbonate is one of the most commonly available. Studies show that of the 1000 mg of calcium carbonate swallowed, only about 4-22% is absorbed by the body, dependent upon the amount of stomach acid available.226 That reduces the amount of calcium available to 4-22 mg per 100 mg tablet of calcium carbonate. On the other hand calcium citrate (a Krebs cycle intermediate) can be over 95% absorbed. In other words, you would have to take between 4-25 of 100 mg tablets of calcium carbonate to get the same amount of elemental calcium delivered to your cells as you would from a single 100 mg calcium citrate tablet. A study of 70 brands of calcium supplement indicated that lead levels in only 2 of the 25 unrefined calcium carbonate products met federal safety guidelines. The average level of lead in calcium carbonate supplements was over 6 times the safety limit. Supplements from dolomite and bone meal were 4 and 11 times respectively over the limit 226. Recker R. Calcium absorption and achlorhydria. N Engl J Med 1985;313:70-73. 227. Murray, M. Encyclopedia of Nutritional Supplements. Prima Publishing, Rocklin CA. 1996:151-152.

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Thanks for the info Mary :) Hugs & Love still going to you and Jeff! Linda ~~~~ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jeff’s are OTC.  Calcium citrate is better than calcium carbonate.  Less stomach upset… Mary NA – are these over the counter or prescription?   I’ve been on pred – this time – since last August, but have been on and off it for over 30 years and all I’m told is to take Calcium w/D :o / Hugs,  Linda There is no reason why we should not be taking a calcium supplement to help prevent boneloss with our IBD. If you take prednisone for longer than a few weeks, calcium supplements alone will not prevent bone loss. You also need one of the bisphosphonates, such as Actonel or Fosamax.

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NA – are these over the counter or prescription?

They’re prescription. Any kind of doctor (internist, GI, endocrinologist) should know how to prescribe ‘em. Best to you.

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Thank you :) Hugs,  Linda

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – NA – are these over the counter or prescription? They’re prescription. Any kind of doctor (internist, GI, endocrinologist) should know how to prescribe ‘em. Best to you.

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There is no reason why we should not be taking a calcium supplement to help prevent boneloss with our IBD.Why are we waiting till we get diagnosed with Boneloss before we decide to do anything about it? The main nutrients needed to help fight against Osteoporosis is Folic Acid, Vitamin b6, Vitamin B12,  along with Calcium, Magnesium,  Vitamin K, Vitamin D, Manganese, Boron, Silicon and Zinc. When it comes to choosing a calcium/magnesium supplement, science has shown us that Calcium citrate is the better choice .  Dosages should be under 500mg and taken throughout the day. Lots of gimmicky labeling occurs when it comes to Calcium Supplements. Also a horrendous amount of Calcium Supplements are being found with unsafe dosages of lead .  If the manufacture  can’t guarntee whats on the label I wouldn’t recommend buying it.You want something to aid in your health , not make you ill. Ken.W  6 Years Med Free! Proud Member of the USANA Family

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There is no reason why we should not be taking a calcium supplement to help prevent boneloss with our IBD.

If you take prednisone for longer than a few weeks, calcium supplements alone will not prevent bone loss. You also need one of the bisphosphonates, such as Actonel or Fosamax.

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NA – are these over the counter or prescription?   I’ve been on pred – this time – since last August, but have been on and off it for over 30 years and all I’m told is to take Calcium w/D :o / Hugs,  Linda

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is no reason why we should not be taking a calcium supplement to help prevent boneloss with our IBD. If you take prednisone for longer than a few weeks, calcium supplements alone will not prevent bone loss. You also need one of the bisphosphonates, such as Actonel or Fosamax.

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Jeff’s are OTC.  Calcium citrate is better than calcium carbonate.  Less stomach upset… Mary

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – NA – are these over the counter or prescription?   I’ve been on pred – this time – since last August, but have been on and off it for over 30 years and all I’m told is to take Calcium w/D :o / Hugs,  Linda There is no reason why we should not be taking a calcium supplement to help prevent boneloss with our IBD. If you take prednisone for longer than a few weeks, calcium supplements alone will not prevent bone loss. You also need one of the bisphosphonates, such as Actonel or Fosamax.

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Hi all, I have Crohn’s-Colitis, which affects both my large and small intestines.  I also have ankylosing spondalitis, a type of arthritis which can attack any or all of my joints at once.  I have pain of one type or another every day. I want to try and figure out a type of pain med that can help me without killing my stomach. I just had a bad arthritis incident and the Doc prescribed me Vioxx.  I had to stop taking it after two days as I developed a low grade fever, had persistent heartburn and some major abdominal pain.  Hopefully it didn’t give me an ulcer.  Today I can barely get out of bed and I am just weak.  I have a temp. of 100 today.  Any advice? Thanks, Ann

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Sorry I can’t help you but just wanted you to know that you are not alone.. Ronnie An Antique *Girl*

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I have Crohn’s-Colitis, which affects both my large and small intestines. I also have ankylosing spondalitis, a type of arthritis which can attack any or all of my joints at once.  I have pain of one type or another every day. I want to try and figure out a type of pain med that can help me without killing my stomach. I just had a bad arthritis incident and the Doc prescribed me Vioxx.  I had to stop taking it after two days as I developed a low grade fever, had persistent heartburn and some major abdominal pain.  Hopefully it didn’t give me an ulcer.  Today I can barely get out of bed and I am just weak. I have a temp. of 100 today.  Any advice? Thanks, Ann

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 Hello Ann,      You certainly have your share of pain to deal with – and then some!  It sounds as though the anti-inflamitories are out of the question for you.  It’s been said before, but they are dangerous to many people, not only for the side effects you just experienced, but also for causing bleeding.    Have you ever tried opiates of any kind?  While they might not directly treat the inflamation of the spondalitis, they might well help your pain level in general.  I have Chrohns’, and oxycontin seems to have a calming effect on it that none of the other meds designed specifically for intestinal problems does.  Best to you,   codeee – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi all, I have Crohn’s-Colitis, which affects both my large and small intestines.  I also have ankylosing spondalitis, a type of arthritis which can attack any or all of my joints at once.  I have pain of one type or another every day. I want to try and figure out a type of pain med that can help me without killing my stomach. I just had a bad arthritis incident and the Doc prescribed me Vioxx.  I had to stop taking it after two days as I developed a low grade fever, had persistent heartburn and some major abdominal pain.  Hopefully it didn’t give me an ulcer.  Today I can barely get out of bed and I am just weak.  I have a temp. of 100 today.  Any advice? Thanks, Ann

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How about the Cox-II inhibitor class of anti-inflammatories? Are they helpful for Chrohns? — Katharine S.   Design is the art of effectively communicating a message while making the communication medium invisible.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Ann,      You certainly have your share of pain to deal with – and then some!  It sounds as though the anti-inflamitories are out of the question for you.  It’s been said before, but they are dangerous to many people, not only for the side effects you just experienced, but also for causing bleeding.    Have you ever tried opiates of any kind?  While they might not directly treat the inflamation of the spondalitis, they might well help your pain level in general.  I have Chrohns’, and oxycontin seems to have a calming effect on it that none of the other meds designed specifically for intestinal problems does.  Best to you,   codeee Hi all, I have Crohn’s-Colitis, which affects both my large and small intestines. I also have ankylosing spondalitis, a type of arthritis which can attack any or all of my joints at once.  I have pain of one type or another every day. I want to try and figure out a type of pain med that can help me without killing my stomach. I just had a bad arthritis incident and the Doc prescribed me Vioxx.  I had to stop taking it after two days as I developed a low grade fever, had persistent heartburn and some major abdominal pain.  Hopefully it didn’t give me an ulcer.  Today I can barely get out of bed and I am just weak. I have a temp. of 100 today.  Any advice? Thanks, Ann

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: How about the Cox-II inhibitor class of anti-inflammatories? Are they : helpful for Chrohns? Katharine:  Vioxx is one of the COX-IIs. — Mouse <:3)))))~~ "This invisible man has a place for you full of fire, smoke, burning and torture and he will send you there to choke, scream, die, suffer and burn for the end of time.  But he *loves* you!" ~George Carlin : : : — : Katharine S. :   Design is the art of effectively communicating a message while making the : communication medium invisible. : : :

: Hello Ann, : :      You certainly have your share of pain to deal with – and then : some!  It sounds as though the anti-inflamitories are out of the : question for you.  It’s been said before, but they are dangerous to : many people, not only for the side effects you just experienced, but : also for causing bleeding. : :    Have you ever tried opiates of any kind?  While they might not : directly treat the inflamation of the spondalitis, they might well : help your pain level in general.  I have Chrohns’, and oxycontin seems : to have a calming effect on it that none of the other meds designed : specifically for intestinal problems does. : :  Best to you, :   codeee : : Hi all, : : I have Crohn’s-Colitis, which affects both my large and small intestines. : I : also have ankylosing spondalitis, a type of arthritis which can attack : any : or all of my joints at once.  I have pain of one type or another every : day. : I want to try and figure out a type of pain med that can help me without : killing my stomach. : : I just had a bad arthritis incident and the Doc prescribed me Vioxx.  I : had : to stop taking it after two days as I developed a low grade fever, had : persistent heartburn and some major abdominal pain.  Hopefully it didn’t : give me an ulcer.  Today I can barely get out of bed and I am just weak. : I : have a temp. of 100 today.  Any advice? : : Thanks, : : : Ann : : : :

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: How about the Cox-II inhibitor class of anti-inflammatories? Are they : helpful for Chrohns? Katharine:  Vioxx is one of the COX-IIs.

Oh, ok :) Weird that it’s giving Ann stomach problems, that’s what it’s designed to avoid! Mind you, there’s still some questions about how effective they are in that regard. Ann, I wonder whether it’s actually not that, but something else causing your symptoms, not the Vioxx? — Katharine S.   Put "eat chocolate" at the top of your list of things to do today. That way, at least you’ll get one thing done.

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Katharine: : How about the Cox-II inhibitor class of anti-inflammatories? Are they : helpful for Chrohns?

Mouse: Katharine:  Vioxx is one of the COX-IIs.

Katharine: Oh, ok :) Weird that it’s giving Ann stomach problems, that’s what it’s designed to avoid! Mind you, there’s still some questions about how effective they are in that regard. Ann, I wonder whether it’s actually not that, but something else causing your symptoms, not the Vioxx?

The Cox-II inhibitors still cause stomach problems, they are just LESS likely to cause fatal ulcers than aspirin or older anti-inflammatories.  Unfortunately, the manufacturers (who have an obvious reason to want everyone to think of these pills as safer than candy) have published some very misleading articles in medical journals.  When the drugs first came out, they published a report of a big study – they reported it as a 6-month study with very good results, no deaths, very few serious ulcers.  This was quoted in all the advertising.  It came out later that it had really been a year-long study, with most of the ulcers and all the deaths happening in the second half of the year…the medical journal was very embarrassed.  They are supposed to only publish good articles, with honest and well-done science.  They are not supposed to accept implicit bribes from companies that buy lots and lots of advertising. The reports saying Cox-II inhibitors are perfectly safe got a lot of publicity from the medical journals, and they are quoted in all the product advertising.  Doctors remember them. The later reports saying they’re more dangerous than they seem were embarrassing to both the drug companies and the medical journals.  Doctors are much less likely to remember them in enough detail to use the information, though they might vaguely recall there was a scandal about a medical journal publishing a misleading study. It’s possible that Ann just came down with a viral infection when she started taking the Vioxx.  But stomach irritation is a known side effect of Vioxx.  It doesn’t happen to everyone, but it’s very real to the people it does happen to.

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I do have a friend who took Vioxx with no problem, then tried switching over to Celebrex (another Cox-II, if I am not mistaken) and Celebrex caused him bad stomach problems (he already had an irritable GI tract).  If you have the patience, it may be worth your while to try out Celebrex, as you may have the opposite problem of my friend.  If not, opiates may be the big bandaid for the situation; they do not get to the root, but they can be a lifesaver if nothing else works. –On Monday, February 11, 2002 5:51 AM -0800 Adrian – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Katharine: : How about the Cox-II inhibitor class of anti-inflammatories? Are they : helpful for Chrohns? Mouse: Katharine:  Vioxx is one of the COX-IIs. Katharine: Oh, ok :) Weird that it’s giving Ann stomach problems, that’s what it’s designed to avoid! Mind you, there’s still some questions about how effective they are in that regard. Ann, I wonder whether it’s actually not that, but something else causing your symptoms, not the Vioxx? The Cox-II inhibitors still cause stomach problems, they are just LESS likely to cause fatal ulcers than aspirin or older anti-inflammatories.  Unfortunately, the manufacturers (who have an obvious reason to want everyone to think of these pills as safer than candy) have published some very misleading articles in medical journals.  When the drugs first came out, they published a report of a big study – they reported it as a 6-month study with very good results, no deaths, very few serious ulcers.  This was quoted in all the advertising.  It came out later that it had really been a year-long study, with most of the ulcers and all the deaths happening in the second half of the year…the medical journal was very embarrassed.  They are supposed to only publish good articles, with honest and well-done science.  They are not supposed to accept implicit bribes from companies that buy lots and lots of advertising. The reports saying Cox-II inhibitors are perfectly safe got a lot of publicity from the medical journals, and they are quoted in all the product advertising.  Doctors remember them. The later reports saying they’re more dangerous than they seem were embarrassing to both the drug companies and the medical journals.  Doctors are much less likely to remember them in enough detail to use the information, though they might vaguely recall there was a scandal about a medical journal publishing a misleading study. It’s possible that Ann just came down with a viral infection when she started taking the Vioxx.  But stomach irritation is a known side effect of Vioxx.  It doesn’t happen to everyone, but it’s very real to the people it does happen to.

Clara Bittner-Rossmiller Carnegie Mellon University MCS, SHS "I hope life isn’t just a big joke, because I don’t get it."  -Jack Handey

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I have to take a Prevacid or Nexium  - or some type of stomach-acid reducer – every morning and night, since I have been taking oxycodone. It seems to help some. I also have Tums on hand for quick relief. good luck, kim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I have Crohn’s-Colitis, which affects both my large and small intestines. I also have ankylosing spondalitis, a type of arthritis which can attack any or all of my joints at once.  I have pain of one type or another every day. I want to try and figure out a type of pain med that can help me without killing my stomach. I just had a bad arthritis incident and the Doc prescribed me Vioxx.  I had to stop taking it after two days as I developed a low grade fever, had persistent heartburn and some major abdominal pain.  Hopefully it didn’t give me an ulcer.  Today I can barely get out of bed and I am just weak. I have a temp. of 100 today.  Any advice? Thanks, Ann

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : How about the Cox-II inhibitor class of anti-inflammatories? Are they : helpful for Chrohns? Katharine:  Vioxx is one of the COX-IIs. Oh, ok :) Weird that it’s giving Ann stomach problems, that’s what it’s designed to avoid! Mind you, there’s still some questions about how effective they are in that regard. Ann, I wonder whether it’s actually not that, but something else causing your symptoms, not the Vioxx?

Within 1-0 days I was puking blood again taking Vioxx.  The first NSAID I had tried in 10 years.  I have had the super surgery they used to do for ulcers.  The one where they remove most of the stomach and sever the vegus nerve.  They also had to do a pyloraplasty because I had so much scarring from ulcers the pylorus was completely blocked. Vioxx is still an NSAID  – no matter what they claim.

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: I have to take a Prevacid or Nexium  - or some type : of stomach-acid reducer – every morning and night, : since I have been taking oxycodone. : It seems to help some. I also have Tums on hand for : quick relief. Me too!  I’ve been taking something like Prevacid, Aciphex or Protonix since I was put on MSContin.  Fortunately it does the job completely; I don’t need a Tums chaser. Mouse <:3)))))~~ "This invisible man has a place for you full of fire, smoke, burning and torture and he will send you there to choke, scream, die, suffer and burn for the end of time.  But he *loves* you!" ~George Carlin : : good luck, : kim : :

: Hi all, : : I have Crohn’s-Colitis, which affects both my large and small intestines. : I : also have ankylosing spondalitis, a type of arthritis which can attack any : or all of my joints at once.  I have pain of one type or another every : day. : I want to try and figure out a type of pain med that can help me without : killing my stomach. : : I just had a bad arthritis incident and the Doc prescribed me Vioxx.  I : had : to stop taking it after two days as I developed a low grade fever, had : persistent heartburn and some major abdominal pain.  Hopefully it didn’t : give me an ulcer.  Today I can barely get out of bed and I am just weak. : I : have a temp. of 100 today.  Any advice? : : Thanks, : : : Ann : : : :

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I have used codeine i.e. Tylenol 3’s after surgery and stuff.  I don’t like to feel out of it though.  I will only use it when I pretty much can’t handle the pain. Ann

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Ann,      You certainly have your share of pain to deal with – and then some!  It sounds as though the anti-inflamitories are out of the question for you.  It’s been said before, but they are dangerous to many people, not only for the side effects you just experienced, but also for causing bleeding.    Have you ever tried opiates of any kind?  While they might not directly treat the inflamation of the spondalitis, they might well help your pain level in general.  I have Chrohns’, and oxycontin seems to have a calming effect on it that none of the other meds designed specifically for intestinal problems does.  Best to you,   codeee Hi all, I have Crohn’s-Colitis, which affects both my large and small intestines. I also have ankylosing spondalitis, a type of arthritis which can attack any or all of my joints at once.  I have pain of one type or another every day. I want to try and figure out a type of pain med that can help me without killing my stomach. I just had a bad arthritis incident and the Doc prescribed me Vioxx.  I had to stop taking it after two days as I developed a low grade fever, had persistent heartburn and some major abdominal pain.  Hopefully it didn’t give me an ulcer.  Today I can barely get out of bed and I am just weak. I have a temp. of 100 today.  Any advice? Thanks, Ann

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I would if I could…unfortunately I am severely allergic to sulpha drugs so I wouldn’t be able to take it. Ann

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I do have a friend who took Vioxx with no problem, then tried switching over to Celebrex (another Cox-II, if I am not mistaken) and Celebrex caused him bad stomach problems (he already had an irritable GI tract).  If you have the patience, it may be worth your while to try out Celebrex, as you may have the opposite problem of my friend.  If not, opiates may be the big bandaid for the situation; they do not get to the root, but they can be a lifesaver if nothing else works. –On Monday, February 11, 2002 5:51 AM -0800 Adrian Katharine: : How about the Cox-II inhibitor class of anti-inflammatories? Are they : helpful for Chrohns? Mouse: Katharine:  Vioxx is one of the COX-IIs. Katharine: Oh, ok :) Weird that it’s giving Ann stomach problems, that’s what it’s designed to avoid! Mind you, there’s still some questions about how effective they are in that regard. Ann, I wonder whether it’s actually not that, but something else causing your symptoms, not the Vioxx? The Cox-II inhibitors still cause stomach problems, they are just LESS likely to cause fatal ulcers than aspirin or older anti-inflammatories.  Unfortunately, the manufacturers (who have an obvious reason to want everyone to think of these pills as safer than candy) have published some very misleading articles in medical journals.  When the drugs first came out, they published a report of a big study – they reported it as a 6-month study with very good results, no deaths, very few serious ulcers.  This was quoted in all the advertising.  It came out later that it had really been a year-long study, with most of the ulcers and all the deaths happening in the second half of the year…the medical journal was very embarrassed.  They are supposed to only publish good articles, with honest and well-done science.  They are not supposed to accept implicit bribes from companies that buy lots and lots of advertising. The reports saying Cox-II inhibitors are perfectly safe got a lot of publicity from the medical journals, and they are quoted in all the product advertising.  Doctors remember them. The later reports saying they’re more dangerous than they seem were embarrassing to both the drug companies and the medical journals.  Doctors are much less likely to remember them in enough detail to use the information, though they might vaguely recall there was a scandal about a medical journal publishing a misleading study. It’s possible that Ann just came down with a viral infection when she started taking the Vioxx.  But stomach irritation is a known side effect of Vioxx.  It doesn’t happen to everyone, but it’s very real to the people it does happen to. Clara Bittner-Rossmiller Carnegie Mellon University MCS, SHS "I hope life isn’t just a big joke, because I don’t get it."  -Jack Handey

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I just had a bad arthritis incident and the Doc prescribed me Vioxx.  I had to stop taking it after two days as I developed a low grade fever, had persistent heartburn and some major abdominal pain.  Hopefully it didn’t give me an ulcer.  Today I can barely get out of bed and I am just weak.  I have a temp. of 100 today.  Any advice?

I was given Vioxx to try for cramps (menstrual), and I too had a terrible time with abdominal pain. It caused a flare of my Pancreatitis!  I won’t touch the stuff again. I hope you can find a medication that works for your pain and allows you to live a "normal" life. Robin Path: lobby!ngtf-m01.news.aol.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!wn2fee

d!worldnet.att.net!24.0.0.38!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!new s1.rdc1.mb.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroups: alt.support.chronic-pain Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.66.22.148 X-Trace: news1.rdc1.mb.home.com 1013389456 24.66.22.148 (Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:04:16 PST) Hi all, I have Crohn’s-Colitis, which affects both my large and small intestines.  I also have ankylosing spondalitis, a type of arthritis which can attack any or all of my joints at once.  I have pain of one type or another every day. I want to try and figure out a type of pain med that can help me without killing my stomach. I just had a bad arthritis incident and the Doc prescribed me Vioxx.  I had to stop taking it after two days as I developed a low grade fever, had persistent heartburn and some major abdominal pain.  Hopefully it didn’t give me an ulcer.  Today I can barely get out of bed and I am just weak.  I have a temp. of 100 today.  Any advice? Thanks, Ann

I am *not* a Medical Doctor (MD) or *any* other type of Medical Professional. PLEASE consult your own Dr. for medical advice.  The information posted is information I have learned from researching or learning from my own disease.

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How about the Cox-II inhibitor class of anti-inflammatories? Are they helpful for Chrohns

Katharine, Ann said she had tried the Vioxx, but it caused her a lot of problems.  Vioxx is one of the two Cox-II Inhibitors on the market…Celebrex is the other. Robin Path: lobby!ngtf-m01.news.aol.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.m

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119.MISMATCH!not-for-mail – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroups: alt.support.chronic-pain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 57 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.164.208.135 X-Trace: 1013411872  6131 203.164.208.135 How about the Cox-II inhibitor class of anti-inflammatories? Are they helpful for Chrohns? — Katharine S.

I am *not* a Medical Doctor (MD) or *any* other type of Medical Professional. PLEASE consult your own Dr. for medical advice.  The information posted is information I have learned from researching or learning from my own disease.

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Katharine, I too had a problem with stomach pain after taking Vioxx.  For me it was my Pancreas in particular.  Even though it is touted as being a drug that won’t have the same side effects as NSAID’s, it can still do it…. Robin Path: lobby!ngtf-m01.news.aol.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!new

sfeed.dacom.co.kr!intgwlon.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!news1.optus.n et.au!optus!spool01.syd.optusnet.com.au!spool.optusnet.com.au!210.49.20.11 9.MISMATCH!not-for-mail – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroups: alt.support.chronic-pain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.164.208.135 X-Trace: 1013428734  6127 203.164.208.135 : How about the Cox-II inhibitor class of anti-inflammatories? Are they : helpful for Chrohns? Katharine:  Vioxx is one of the COX-IIs. Oh, ok :) Weird that it’s giving Ann stomach problems, that’s what it’s designed to avoid! Mind you, there’s still some questions about how effective they are in that regard. Ann, I wonder whether it’s actually not that, but something else causing your symptoms, not the Vioxx? — Katharine S.

I am *not* a Medical Doctor (MD) or *any* other type of Medical Professional. PLEASE consult your own Dr. for medical advice.  The information posted is information I have learned from researching or learning from my own disease.

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 Robin,  as someone who has problems with anti-inflamitories and sulfa drugs, I was given a real sales job about Cox-11 meds.  I was not surprised when they were worse – if anything than the anti-inflamitories.  I then learned they were not for those with sulfa sensitivity either.  I’d certainly advise anyone to be cautious with them.    codeee – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Katharine, I too had a problem with stomach pain after taking Vioxx.  For me it was my Pancreas in particular.  Even though it is touted as being a drug that won’t have the same side effects as NSAID’s, it can still do it…. Robin Path: lobby!ngtf-m01.news.aol.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!new sfeed.dacom.co.kr!intgwlon.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!news1.optus.n et.au!optus!spool01.syd.optusnet.com.au!spool.optusnet.com.au!210.49.20.11 9.MISMATCH!not-for-mail Newsgroups: alt.support.chronic-pain X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.164.208.135 X-Trace: 1013428734  6127 203.164.208.135 : How about the Cox-II inhibitor class of anti-inflammatories? Are they : helpful for Chrohns? Katharine:  Vioxx is one of the COX-IIs. Oh, ok :) Weird that it’s giving Ann stomach problems, that’s what it’s designed to avoid! Mind you, there’s still some questions about how effective they are in that regard. Ann, I wonder whether it’s actually not that, but something else causing your symptoms, not the Vioxx? — Katharine S. I am *not* a Medical Doctor (MD) or *any* other type of Medical Professional. PLEASE consult your own Dr. for medical advice.  The information posted is information I have learned from researching or learning from my own disease.

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Go for the herbs right away, find them and other healthy information at your local co-op/health food store. Focus on good digestion and elimination. Lots of water, good, your already smart, continue the process of taking charge of your own treatment. Sweating, hot baths, exercise if you can until you sweat, follow w/ cold shower (the colder the better if you can stand it) they all generate endorphins = pain relief. It worked for me. Good Luck, let me know what works.                                                     Bob

That’s awfully general, and doesn’t take into account the differences in ‘types’ of RA, nor the differences in physical condition and circumstances of the individual. Sweating and hot baths might have been fine for you, but could be quite dangerous for some others.  Hot baths followed by the coldest shower you can stand is a very, very bad for some people.   There is no evidence that I know of that all (some but not all) of the things you mention have any appreciable effect upon endorphin production. Besides, heightened endorphin production does not necessarily relieve pain.   I am glad it worked for you.  But sometimes, nothing is needed, as the mere passage of time will produce the benefits.  There is spontaneous remission in many cases.  If that was your case, I am glad you were the lucky one. Not everybody is so lucky.  When simple self-care doesn’t work, it is just goofy to let the disease progress when there are good treatments available.   Best of luck to you.  I hope that simple measures continue to be of benefit to you.   But please, don’t assume that this is true for everyone.  It is downright insulting and demeaning to those of use who need more, much more.

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Go for the herbs right away, find them and other healthy information at your local co-op/health food store. Focus on good digestion and elimination. Lots of water, good, your already smart, continue the process of taking charge of your own treatment. Sweating, hot baths, exercise if you can until you sweat, follow w/ cold shower (the colder the better if you can stand it) they all generate endorphins = pain relief. It worked for me. Good Luck, let me know what works.                                                     Bob

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Go for the herbs right away, find them and other healthy information at your local co-op/health food store. Focus on good digestion and elimination. Lots of water, good, your already smart, continue the process of taking charge of your own treatment. Sweating, hot baths, exercise if you can until you sweat, follow w/ cold shower (the colder the better if you can stand it) they all generate endorphins = pain relief. It worked for me. Good Luck, let me know what works.                                                     Bob

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Go for the herbs right away, find them and other healthy information at your local co-op/health food store. Focus on good digestion and elimination. Lots of water, good, your already smart, continue the process of taking charge of your own treatment. Sweating, hot baths, exercise if you can until you sweat, follow w/ cold shower (the colder the better if you can stand it) they all generate endorphins = pain relief. It worked for me. Good Luck, let me know what works.                                                     Bob

That’s awfully general, and doesn’t take into account the differences in ‘types’ of RA, nor the differences in physical condition and circumstances of the individual. Sweating and hot baths might have been fine for you, but could be quite dangerous for some others.  Hot baths followed by the coldest shower you can stand is a very, very bad for some people.   There is no evidence that I know of that all (some but not all) of the things you mention have any appreciable effect upon endorphin production. Besides, heightened endorphin production does not necessarily relieve pain.   I am glad it worked for you.  But sometimes, nothing is needed, as the mere passage of time will produce the benefits.  There is spontaneous remission in many cases.  If that was your case, I am glad you were the lucky one. Not everybody is so lucky.  When simple self-care doesn’t work, it is just goofy to let the disease progress when there are good treatments available.   Best of luck to you.  I hope that simple measures continue to be of benefit to you.   But please, don’t assume that this is true for everyone.  It is downright insulting and demeaning to those of use who need more, much more.

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Go for the herbs right away, find them and other healthy information at your local co-op/health food store. Focus on good digestion and elimination. Lots of water, good, your already smart, continue the process of taking charge of your own treatment. Sweating, hot baths, exercise if you can until you sweat, follow w/ cold shower (the colder the better if you can stand it) they all generate endorphins = pain relief. It worked for me. Good Luck, let me know what works.                                                     Bob

Hi, Bob! I wonder… What type of arthritis are you suffering from? — Best regards,                Visit my home page at: Med vennlig hilsen,          http://home.newmedia.no/flaker/ *****TO E-MAIL ME, PLEASE REMOVE ‘NOSPAM’ IN THE HEADER*****

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Go for the herbs right away, find them and other healthy information at your local co-op/health food store. Focus on good digestion and elimination. Lots of water, good, your already smart, continue the process of taking charge of your own treatment. Sweating, hot baths, exercise if you can until you sweat, follow w/ cold shower (the colder the better if you can stand it) they all generate endorphins = pain relief. It worked for me. Good Luck, let me know what works.                                                     Bob

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Wow something really amazing happened when I took antibiotics!

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are you taking Ceftin or Cipro? Or are they the same? Would like to hear if you have continued success- please keep us other UC suffers posted. I’ve taken Cipro and flagyl in the hospital, along with Pred,&….all of the other meds too…. who knows what gets you better?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi,  I just have to add my 2 cents to this subject.because i have had UC for 8 years and something very strange happened about 2 weeks ago. I have been on every med in the book.have been in and out of really bad flares.hospitalized many times.  swore off prednisone last year after i chased my husband with a bat.lol (not that i caught him or anything)  anyway i was prescribed Ceftin ( antibiotic) about 2 weeks a go for a sinus infection, and 3 days after taking it.all my symtoms subsided.now i am a bleeder i have pretty much bleed my whole UC career, always had mucus, really bad gas, alot of discomfort in my abdoman because of inflamation.today as i sit here i have not one of those symtoms, in fact every time i poop a normal stool.i call for everone in the house to witness it.because i cant believe i even have  a poop log.i have not had one of those in years.so i don’t know what to make of it.

 If my colitis responding, why haden’t my dr thought of this years ago,because i have meet alot of crohns patients that are taking Cipro.  so theres my antibiotic story.

$$$ Cha-ching $$$  Gotta pay for that Mercedes somehow.  But seriously,  A few years ago when I had some kidney stones, the urologist gave me a script for Bactrim. Initially the same thng happened for me, reduction in symptoms and formed stools and the like. But after a week or so the symptoms gradually returned. The same for Cipro. Great at first but the symptoms would return, even while continuing to take it. I had Crohn’s, so maybe it’s different. At any rate, I’m glad your feeling better and hope it continues. Feel well. William

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Hi,  I just have to add my 2 cents to this subject.because i have had UC for 8 years and something very strange happened about 2 weeks ago. I have been on every med in the book.have been in and out of really bad flares.hospitalized many times.  swore off prednisone last year after i chased my husband with a bat.lol (not that i caught him or anything)  anyway i was prescribed Ceftin ( antibiotic) about 2 weeks a go for a sinus infection, and 3 days after taking it.all my symtoms subsided.now i am a bleeder i have pretty much bleed my whole UC career, always had mucus, really bad gas, alot of discomfort in my abdoman because of inflamation.today as i sit here i have not one of those symtoms, in fact every time i poop a normal stool.i call for everone in the house to witness it.because i cant believe i even have  a poop log.i have not had one of those in years.so i don’t know what to make of it. If my colitis responding, why haden’t my dr thought of this years ago,because i have meet alot of crohns patients that are taking Cipro.  so theres my antibiotic story.

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Since I was put on CIPRO and Flagyl  birds no longer fall out of trees when I leave the house.  I have been on them for several years.  I have chrohns. Paul – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So I decided to test this idea of taking antibiotics to see if they would have an effect on my HORRIFICALLY STINKY FARTS (that were unaffected by diet, or any other meds or supplements). I had a stash of Augmentin from an old simus infection that turned out not to be a sinus infection. They antib’s were not expired, so I decided to take one. Nothing happened. Nothing different that is. So I took one more the next day, and one more the next day. Well, guess what? I’m still doing my share of farting that’s for sure, but get this; THERE IS NO STINK. VIRTUALLY NOTHING. I have had completely stink free farts for three glorious days now. Now before you accuse me doing more harm than good (c’mon candida folks, I know you’re out there just waiting to trounce on me for the evils of antibiotics), understand that I am not saying that I am planning on taking Augmentin forever. I don’t have prescription for forever, and I’d have to look into that more if I wanted to go down that path. There real issue here is that SOMETHING AFFECTED MY STINKY GAS! SOMETHING MADE IT GO AWAY, and NOTHING, NO SPECIAL DIET, NO PROBIOTICS that I have tried have done this. THis proves that it is a reversible or at least treatable symptom and somehow I can find a way to get it under control, with or without antibiotics, and actually have a social life! I’ll fart until the cows come home I don’t care AS LONG AS THE HELLACIOUS ODOR IS GONE! I know some folks with UC take antibiotics and it helps the gas, but I have a diagnosis of IBS, not UC or Crohns. SO I’ll have to figure something else at. But glory be to the Goddess something affected the stinkies!!!!! Thanks to the kind folks on the list who suggested this avenue, if not for nothing I at least know it can be affected! Guy (happy to fart all day long since there is NO SMELL)

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Guy (happy to fart all day long since there is NO SMELL) That’s semi-good news, but you’re still putting out clouds of methane, so be careful of closed spaces and open flames! Wayne Marsh   Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA

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I have a siimilar story. During the time before actually being diagnosed (with UC), although my symptoms where there and progressing, I also had a sinus infection and was given antibiotics for 10 days. At the end of the treatment my UC symptoms greatly reduced. It wasn’t until almost a year later that I was finally correctly dx’d. At that time I started looking for more evidence of antibiotics being used to treat UC. Luckily I found a GP who believed in the dysbiosis theory that an imbalance of bacteria can contribute to IBD symptoms. I was able to convince him to prescribe the antidote. He prescribed Cipro and it has helped me tremendously. I have also completely eradicated the stinkies and even the amount of gas is greatly reduced. It really is great not to have that worry following me around. – Jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Guy, You really should go on probiotics too, otherwise once you go off the antibiotics there’s an excellent chance the stinkies will return.  Mind you, even with probiotics that could happen, but I think you’ve got more of a shot of dealing with this problem longterm by taking them. So I decided to test this idea of taking antibiotics to see if they would have an effect on my HORRIFICALLY STINKY FARTS (that were unaffected by diet, or any other meds or supplements). I had a stash of Augmentin from an old simus infection that turned out not to be a sinus infection. They antib’s were not expired, so I decided to take one. Nothing happened. Nothing different that is. So I took one more the next day, and one more the next day. Well, guess what? I’m still doing my share of farting that’s for sure, but get this; THERE IS NO STINK. VIRTUALLY NOTHING. I have had completely stink free farts for three glorious days now. Now before you accuse me doing more harm than good (c’mon candida folks, I know you’re out there just waiting to trounce on me for the evils of antibiotics), understand that I am not saying that I am planning on taking Augmentin forever. I don’t have prescription for forever, and I’d have to look into that more if I wanted to go down that path. There real issue here is that SOMETHING AFFECTED MY STINKY GAS! SOMETHING MADE IT GO AWAY, and NOTHING, NO SPECIAL DIET, NO PROBIOTICS that I have tried have done this. THis proves that it is a reversible or at least treatable symptom and somehow I can find a way to get it under control, with or without antibiotics, and actually have a social life! I’ll fart until the cows come home I don’t care AS LONG AS THE HELLACIOUS ODOR IS GONE! I know some folks with UC take antibiotics and it helps the gas, but I have a diagnosis of IBS, not UC or Crohns. SO I’ll have to figure something else at. But glory be to the Goddess something affected the stinkies!!!!! Thanks to the kind folks on the list who suggested this avenue, if not for nothing I at least know it can be affected! Guy (happy to fart all day long since there is NO SMELL)

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Hi Guy, You really should go on probiotics too, otherwise once you go off the antibiotics there’s an excellent chance the stinkies will return.  Mind you, even with probiotics that could happen, but I think you’ve got more of a shot of dealing with this problem longterm by taking them. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -So I decided to test this idea of taking antibiotics to see if they would have an effect on my HORRIFICALLY STINKY FARTS (that were unaffected by diet, or any other meds or supplements). I had a stash of Augmentin from an old simus infection that turned out not to be a sinus infection. They antib’s were not expired, so I decided to take one. Nothing happened. Nothing different that is. So I took one more the next day, and one more the next day. Well, guess what? I’m still doing my share of farting that’s for sure, but get this; THERE IS NO STINK. VIRTUALLY NOTHING. I have had completely stink free farts for three glorious days now. Now before you accuse me doing more harm than good (c’mon candida folks, I know you’re out there just waiting to trounce on me for the evils of antibiotics), understand that I am not saying that I am planning on taking Augmentin forever. I don’t have prescription for forever, and I’d have to look into that more if I wanted to go down that path. There real issue here is that SOMETHING AFFECTED MY STINKY GAS! SOMETHING MADE IT GO AWAY, and NOTHING, NO SPECIAL DIET, NO PROBIOTICS that I have tried have done this. THis proves that it is a reversible or at least treatable symptom and somehow I can find a way to get it under control, with or without antibiotics, and actually have a social life! I’ll fart until the cows come home I don’t care AS LONG AS THE HELLACIOUS ODOR IS GONE! I know some folks with UC take antibiotics and it helps the gas, but I have a diagnosis of IBS, not UC or Crohns. SO I’ll have to figure something else at. But glory be to the Goddess something affected the stinkies!!!!! Thanks to the kind folks on the list who suggested this avenue, if not for nothing I at least know it can be affected! Guy (happy to fart all day long since there is NO SMELL)

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Mike you take the fun out of it <g. Personally if I start with the stinker, sorry, I have less then a minute for the follow up of it.  It’s kind of a self warning system to prevent multiple changes it you get what I mean.  UM MOM Susan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sure,  You killed the bacteria that was making the methane. Thanks, Mike — To reply via email remove the (SPAM_BLOCKER) from my email address: So I decided to test this idea of taking antibiotics to see if they would have an effect on my HORRIFICALLY STINKY FARTS (that were unaffected by diet, or any other meds or supplements). I had a stash of Augmentin from an old simus infection that turned out not to be a sinus infection. They antib’s were not expired, so I decided to take one. Nothing happened. Nothing different that is. So I took one more the next day, and one more the next day. Well, guess what? I’m still doing my share of farting that’s for sure, but get this; THERE IS NO STINK. VIRTUALLY NOTHING. I have had completely stink free farts for three glorious days now. Now before you accuse me doing more harm than good (c’mon candida folks, I know you’re out there just waiting to trounce on me for the evils of antibiotics), understand that I am not saying that I am planning on taking Augmentin forever. I don’t have prescription for forever, and I’d have to look into that more if I wanted to go down that path. There real issue here is that SOMETHING AFFECTED MY STINKY GAS! SOMETHING MADE IT GO AWAY, and NOTHING, NO SPECIAL DIET, NO PROBIOTICS that I have tried have done this. THis proves that it is a reversible or at least treatable symptom and somehow I can find a way to get it under control, with or without antibiotics, and actually have a social life! I’ll fart until the cows come home I don’t care AS LONG AS THE HELLACIOUS ODOR IS GONE! I know some folks with UC take antibiotics and it helps the gas, but I have a diagnosis of IBS, not UC or Crohns. SO I’ll have to figure something else at. But glory be to the Goddess something affected the stinkies!!!!! Thanks to the kind folks on the list who suggested this avenue, if not for nothing I at least know it can be affected! Guy (happy to fart all day long since there is NO SMELL)

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Sure,  You killed the bacteria that was making the methane. Thanks, Mike — To reply via email remove the (SPAM_BLOCKER) from my email address:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So I decided to test this idea of taking antibiotics to see if they would have an effect on my HORRIFICALLY STINKY FARTS (that were unaffected by diet, or any other meds or supplements). I had a stash of Augmentin from an old simus infection that turned out not to be a sinus infection. They antib’s were not expired, so I decided to take one. Nothing happened. Nothing different that is. So I took one more the next day, and one more the next day. Well, guess what? I’m still doing my share of farting that’s for sure, but get this; THERE IS NO STINK. VIRTUALLY NOTHING. I have had completely stink free farts for three glorious days now. Now before you accuse me doing more harm than good (c’mon candida folks, I know you’re out there just waiting to trounce on me for the evils of antibiotics), understand that I am not saying that I am planning on taking Augmentin forever. I don’t have prescription for forever, and I’d have to look into that more if I wanted to go down that path. There real issue here is that SOMETHING AFFECTED MY STINKY GAS! SOMETHING MADE IT GO AWAY, and NOTHING, NO SPECIAL DIET, NO PROBIOTICS that I have tried have done this. THis proves that it is a reversible or at least treatable symptom and somehow I can find a way to get it under control, with or without antibiotics, and actually have a social life! I’ll fart until the cows come home I don’t care AS LONG AS THE HELLACIOUS ODOR IS GONE! I know some folks with UC take antibiotics and it helps the gas, but I have a diagnosis of IBS, not UC or Crohns. SO I’ll have to figure something else at. But glory be to the Goddess something affected the stinkies!!!!! Thanks to the kind folks on the list who suggested this avenue, if not for nothing I at least know it can be affected! Guy (happy to fart all day long since there is NO SMELL)

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So I decided to test this idea of taking antibiotics to see if they would have an effect on my HORRIFICALLY STINKY FARTS (that were unaffected by diet, or any other meds or supplements). I had a stash of Augmentin from an old simus infection that turned out not to be a sinus infection. They antib’s were not expired, so I decided to take one. Nothing happened. Nothing different that is. So I took one more the next day, and one more the next day. Well, guess what? I’m still doing my share of farting that’s for sure, but get this; THERE IS NO STINK. VIRTUALLY NOTHING. I have had completely stink free farts for three glorious days now. Now before you accuse me doing more harm than good (c’mon candida folks, I know you’re out there just waiting to trounce on me for the evils of antibiotics), understand that I am not saying that I am planning on taking Augmentin forever. I don’t have prescription for forever, and I’d have to look into that more if I wanted to go down that path. There real issue here is that SOMETHING AFFECTED MY STINKY GAS! SOMETHING MADE IT GO AWAY, and NOTHING, NO SPECIAL DIET, NO PROBIOTICS that I have tried have done this. THis proves that it is a reversible or at least treatable symptom and somehow I can find a way to get it under control, with or without antibiotics, and actually have a social life! I’ll fart until the cows come home I don’t care AS LONG AS THE HELLACIOUS ODOR IS GONE! I know some folks with UC take antibiotics and it helps the gas, but I have a diagnosis of IBS, not UC or Crohns. SO I’ll have to figure something else at. But glory be to the Goddess something affected the stinkies!!!!! Thanks to the kind folks on the list who suggested this avenue, if not for nothing I at least know it can be affected! Guy (happy to fart all day long since there is NO SMELL)

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Robbed by Chrohns

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hi, my name is pam and i’ve had crohns for 1/2 of my life. i’m 33 nowand have two kids. My advice to you is to get your girlfriend more medical treatment. There is medication out there that you probably don’t know about. I have been feeling fine for about 10 years and had two kids in that time.  Find other doctors that can finally find something that works. Also, surgery is not so bad after all else fails. You need to get her healthy. Keep trying. Once she feels better, her depression will get better pam

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Mingo, First let me say, your girl is lucky to have you..when the symptoms of Ulcerative Colitis started with me, I really had no one to talk to…but, that is in the past… If you girl has Crohns in the Colon (not small intestines), there is a medicine that may help, it is called Budesonide.  I was on Prednisone (i loved the emotional highs), but it causes alot of side affect. Budesonide is actually more powerful, but causes much "lighter?" side affects because the liver can break it down….You can’t get it in the USA, but there is a Pharmacy in Canada that can ship it to you by mail…you’re doctor has to write a precription, and your insurance probably won’t pay (i pay $200/month).  But, it has been worth it to get my life and my body back! Also, there are some posts regarding the anti-depressant medicine…if the Zoloft is not working right, she must change!  If there is one about drugs that  I have learned in this ordeal its that if your symptoms get worse, or the side affects are too bad (i.e. your quality of life actually decreases because of the medicine) you have got to stop taking it…I quit taking two medications before my doctor said so because I knew what was going on with my body better than him..luckily, he didn’t take it the wrong way..he just said okay, what can we do now? Anyway, God bless you and you lady…. As far as research goes, I’ve read all I can on the internet and I’ve come to the conclusion that its some kind of immune system/allergic response that is just a tad off kilter or a bacteria or virus that our bodies (for some reason) can’t make an antibody to or can’t make the knock-out punch to…. take care… jimmy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Linda,     I want to say she is currently on Zoloft.  I’m not sure if she’s tried any other types.  I think she will join the ng soon, well as soon as I can instruct her how to get on. (she has a very old computer).  I’m not sure how she feels about me discussing all her problems on this ng.  My main purpose was to help me, help her out.  I’m sure she’ll be on soon, and maybe when she’s on – she will let you know who she is. : ) Thanks so much, Mingo Mingo, Another note about the anti-depressant your girlfriend (may we know her few before I really found what works for me.  There are many on the market and she may have to try others before she finds the right one.  Perhaps  you could gently ask her to check this out.  Be strong – I know it’s rough. Hugs,  Linda Dear, Noella, Linda and Pearl I wasn’t expecting a response so quickly, but I appreciate the  responses. My girlfriend is on depression medication, and she has been on since  finding out about this disease.  The only downpoint to this, is that this  medication was meant to help the "down feelings" she was having, but at the same  time has seemed to strip her from any feelings.  I know that they are still  there on the inside, but I just don’t see them anymore.  It’s hard for her to  show me how she feels anymore, cause she’s just "there", so to speak.  I  think this is the hardest part of the whole thing.  I’m trying to hold on with  all my heart and I try to be sweet and make her laugh, but it just seems as  if it’s "not needed", and so that’s how I’ve felt.  I feel that she doesn’t "need me" in her life, only because I’m not getting those emotinos  thrown back at me as I used to at one point in our relationship.  I don’t know  if this makes sense, but it’s just how I feel.  I’ve realized that she does need me, and I need to be there for her. I can’t give up on her that  easy. We’ve gone through a LOT in our relationship and have fought many of  battles before this one came up, but the only thing is that we fought them  together as a couple.  I can’t give up on this one – and I know this.  I love  this girl way too much. I have told her about this ng and I will get on her on it as soon as I  can so that she can share some of her problems and talk to people that are  going through the same thing as she is. I guess I did forget to mention that we carry on a long distant  relationship at the moment.  We lived in the same city for 3 of our years, and then  two years ago, I moved for job purposes and she had to stay behind for  school and other issues that would not allow her to move at the moment.  That  in itself is a struggle, but I know that my love for this girl isn’t seeing  her everyday or having to have her in the same city, cause it stems from my heart – and I’ve found out the heart knows no distance.  It loves from  miles and miles apart.  We are only 2 hours away so we get to see each other often, although now with her disease, she gets very tired and I fear of  her driving alone, so her visits here are limited. I know there are many doctors here in San Antonio, and I’ve suggested to  her to come and try one out. The only thing is trying to figure out which is  the best one.  Since she was very "neglected" by this first doctor, she’s  very scared of just trying another one and she wants to find a recommendation from someone first. We are currently looking for doctors in the Dallas, Austin, San Antonio area for her to travel to.  Ultimately, it’s her decision, although I would love for her to find one here in San Antonio.  I just want her to get better. I continue to try and be her crutch, and her strenght – but a lot of the time, I’m fighting just to be my own.  I’m doing a lot more reading and researching trying to understand this disease, but the more I read about  it the more saddened I get that she is having to go through this.  I would  take on this disease for her if I could. Again, thanks for your help and understanding of the pain just doesn’t  stop with Chrohn’s victims, but goes all the way through their loved ones.  I look forward to reading and sharing our experiences with you guys. Mingo Mingo, What a bueatiful, caring letter. Yes. I too wish everyone living with  a chronic illness had someone like you. Is the reason she can only use the doctor she is using managed care.  Most managed care organizations who do not have a specialist that is needed  will pay for that specialist out of the plan. In the meantime I suggest you as her significant other educate  yourselves  by going to the Crohn’s and ulcerative colitis website, review the  information and if you can, purchase some of the books avialable. Any primary care physician can also go on the internet and update himself/herself on the latest in diagnostic and treatment modalities.  I suggest that your doctor contact the Deptartment of Gastroenterology  at  the University of Texas. They are in the Department of Medicine on the  website of the University. The webpage below is the CCFA’s listing of GI doctors in San Antonio  and  as I said a managed care entity must have specialists on its panal. http://www.ccfa.org/medcentral/roster/pdf/Texas.pdf– Good luck. Pearl L Hello All,     This is my first to ever use a newsgroup, but I think at this  point  I’ll try and do just about anything.  I’ve been reading all the past  posts  and issues that each of you face, and I just want you to know that I  hope  each and every one of you has a great family, friend, or significant  other  that loves you as much as I love mine.     My girlfriend was recently diagnosed with Chrohns.  She’s been  sick  for the past 4 years or so, with various symptoms but a doctor never put  the disease with the symptoms.  She is from a small town and the even  works  in the medical field, yet her medical attention has gone un-noticed.  Since she’s been diagnosed, she’s gone through trial after trial, each  bringing  a new challenge to her plate.  Her doctor isn’t a Chrohn’s specialist,  and doesn’t know much about the disease, but it’s the only doctor in the  town that she can see.  She’s tried various medications like the Pentasa,  but  it didn’t help matters worse. Just recently she decided to go outside  her insurance network and see a doctor at the Scott & White clinic in  Temple, TX. She found a doctor that was very caring and helped her get some questions answered.  He even suggested that she try Remecade (sp).  She convinced her doctor to let her try it, and she had her first  treatment  in _____.  She had an allergic reaction to the medication and a case of temporary arthritis.  I guess you guys are all

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Mingo: This isn’t something you can "fix".  But, you are doing the best you can by loving her.  I have sufferred through Crohn’s alone.  And an ostomy alone.  I would have given anything to have someone put his arms around me and say it will be okay, even if neither of us knew it would. Depression is common in this illness.  We are weak physically and we know it.  We feel sick all the time and sometimes no matter what medication we take, we still feel sick and weak.  We want our lives back and there is nothing we can do to make it happen. My thoughts  and prayers will be with you both.  You cannot imagine what your love means to her.  Hang in there. Love & Peace, Connie

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Mingo, Let us try to help you too!  We have others on this ng that are the significant others of people with IBD.  They have alot of information to give I’m sure.  You are playing an important role in her life right now. Please keep us posted on how things go in both your lives.  Also,  I’d ask about trying other antidepressants.  When she finds the one that works, she’ll feel so much stronger and be better able to help herself. Hugs,  Linda

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Linda,     I want to say she is currently on Zoloft.  I’m not sure if she’s tried any other types.  I think she will join the ng soon, well as soon as I can instruct her how to get on. (she has a very old computer).  I’m not sure how she feels about me discussing all her problems on this ng.  My main purpose was to help me, help her out.  I’m sure she’ll be on soon, and maybe when she’s on – she will let you know who she is. : ) Thanks so much, Mingo Mingo, Another note about the anti-depressant your girlfriend (may we know her a few before I really found what works for me.  There are many on the market and she may have to try others before she finds the right one.  Perhaps you could gently ask her to check this out.  Be strong – I know it’s rough. Hugs,  Linda Dear, Noella, Linda and Pearl I wasn’t expecting a response so quickly, but I appreciate the responses. My girlfriend is on depression medication, and she has been on since finding out about this disease.  The only downpoint to this, is that this medication was meant to help the "down feelings" she was having, but at the same time has seemed to strip her from any feelings.  I know that they are still there on the inside, but I just don’t see them anymore.  It’s hard for her to show me how she feels anymore, cause she’s just "there", so to speak.  I think this is the hardest part of the whole thing.  I’m trying to hold on with all my heart and I try to be sweet and make her laugh, but it just seems as if it’s "not needed", and so that’s how I’ve felt.  I feel that she doesn’t "need me" in her life, only because I’m not getting those emotinos thrown back at me as I used to at one point in our relationship.  I don’t know if this makes sense, but it’s just how I feel.  I’ve realized that she does need me, and I need to be there for her. I can’t give up on her that easy. We’ve gone through a LOT in our relationship and have fought many of battles before this one came up, but the only thing is that we fought them together as a couple.  I can’t give up on this one – and I know this.  I love this girl way too much. I have told her about this ng and I will get on her on it as soon as I can so that she can share some of her problems and talk to people that are going through the same thing as she is. I guess I did forget to mention that we carry on a long distant relationship at the moment.  We lived in the same city for 3 of our years, and then two years ago, I moved for job purposes and she had to stay behind for school and other issues that would not allow her to move at the moment.  That in itself is a struggle, but I know that my love for this girl isn’t seeing her everyday or having to have her in the same city, cause it stems from my heart – and I’ve found out the heart knows no distance.  It loves from miles and miles apart.  We are only 2 hours away so we get to see each other often, although now with her disease, she gets very tired and I fear of her driving alone, so her visits here are limited. I know there are many doctors here in San Antonio, and I’ve suggested to her to come and try one out. The only thing is trying to figure out which is the best one.  Since she was very "neglected" by this first doctor, she’s very scared of just trying another one and she wants to find a recommendation from someone first. We are currently looking for doctors in the Dallas, Austin, San Antonio area for her to travel to.  Ultimately, it’s her decision, although I would love for her to find one here in San Antonio. I just want her to get better. I continue to try and be her crutch, and her strenght – but a lot of the time, I’m fighting just to be my own.  I’m doing a lot more reading and researching trying to understand this disease, but the more I read about it the more saddened I get that she is having to go through this.  I would take on this disease for her if I could. Again, thanks for your help and understanding of the pain just doesn’t stop with Chrohn’s victims, but goes all the way through their loved ones. I look forward to reading and sharing our experiences with you guys. Mingo Mingo, What a bueatiful, caring letter. Yes. I too wish everyone living with a chronic illness had someone like you. Is the reason she can only use the doctor she is using managed care. Most managed care organizations who do not have a specialist that is needed will pay for that specialist out of the plan. In the meantime I suggest you as her significant other educate yourselves by going to the Crohn’s and ulcerative colitis website, review the information and if you can, purchase some of the books avialable. Any primary care physician can also go on the internet and update himself/herself on the latest in diagnostic and treatment modalities. I suggest that your doctor contact the Deptartment of Gastroenterology at the University of Texas. They are in the Department of Medicine on the website of the University. The webpage below is the CCFA’s listing of GI doctors in San Antonio and as I said a managed care entity must have specialists on its panal. http://www.ccfa.org/medcentral/roster/pdf/Texas.pdf– Good luck. Pearl L Hello All,     This is my first to ever use a newsgroup, but I think at this point I’ll try and do just about anything.  I’ve been reading all the past posts and issues that each of you face, and I just want you to know that I hope each and every one of you has a great family, friend, or significant other that loves you as much as I love mine.     My girlfriend was recently diagnosed with Chrohns.  She’s been sick for the past 4 years or so, with various symptoms but a doctor never put the disease with the symptoms.  She is from a small town and the even works in the medical field, yet her medical attention has gone un-noticed. Since she’s been diagnosed, she’s gone through trial after trial, each bringing a new challenge to her plate.  Her doctor isn’t a Chrohn’s specialist, and doesn’t know much about the disease, but it’s the only doctor in the town that she can see.  She’s tried various medications like the Pentasa, but it didn’t help matters worse. Just recently she decided to go outside her insurance network and see a doctor at the Scott & White clinic in Temple, TX. She found a doctor that was very caring and helped her get some questions answered.  He even suggested that she try Remecade (sp). She convinced her doctor to let her try it, and she had her first treatment in _____.  She had an allergic reaction to the medication and a case of temporary arthritis.  I guess you guys are all familiar with this stuff and I don’t need to go on…but let me get to the purpose of this post.     I am talking about someone that is MY LIFE, she is everything to me and I love her so much.  I’m struggling every day to figure out what "I can do", cause through this whole process, I’ve felt helpless. She’s very sad and very depressed, and I’ve lost touch with the one person I care about the most.  It’s hard to tell her everything is going to be OK when I don’t know that it will.  She’s a different person now, and I feel I’ve been robbed of love by this disease of Chrohn’s.     If anyone out there has a loved one, or any advice they could give me on how I can support her and help her fight this disease, I would appreciate it.  She is a weak person by nature, and now with this disease, she is fighting for her life.  She is letting this disease take control of her life and mental attitude and I feel I need to step in and fight

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Welcome, Mingo. If she can find this newsgroup, and read the messages she will KNOW she is not alone. She will know that she is not the only one going through the problems of this disease. She can read the messages, and if she is comforable doing so, she can sam hello. I believe there are a great many people who only read this newsgroup, and get much support that way. She is welcome. You are welcome. She may also find a support group locally which could be of help. I urge you and her to visit and explore the CCFA web site. Crohn’s & Colitis Foundation of America (CCFA) http://www.ccfa.org/ (click on ‘Medical Central’ to get to the ‘Library’ which has information on ‘Medications’ as well as many other topics.) (click on ‘Chapters & Events’ to locate a support group near you – if you live in the United States.) (click on ‘Links’ to find one of the largest collection of links to medical pages, as well as Crohn’s & Colitis pages.) Stand by her. Support her. She is going through a rough time right now. Howard in Alaska UC since 1995 Peace & Harmony – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Linda,     I want to say she is currently on Zoloft.  I’m not sure if she’s tried any other types.  I think she will join the ng soon, well as soon as I can instruct her how to get on. (she has a very old computer).  I’m not sure how she feels about me discussing all her problems on this ng.  My main purpose was to help me, help her out.  I’m sure she’ll be on soon, and maybe when she’s on – she will let you know who she is. : ) Thanks so much, Mingo Mingo, Another note about the anti-depressant your girlfriend (may we know her few before I really found what works for me.  There are many on the market and she may have to try others before she finds the right one.  Perhaps you could gently ask her to check this out.  Be strong – I know it’s rough. Hugs,  Linda Dear, Noella, Linda and Pearl I wasn’t expecting a response so quickly, but I appreciate the responses. My girlfriend is on depression medication, and she has been on since finding out about this disease.  The only downpoint to this, is that this medication was meant to help the "down feelings" she was having, but at the same time has seemed to strip her from any feelings.  I know that they are still there on the inside, but I just don’t see them anymore.  It’s hard for her to show me how she feels anymore, cause she’s just "there", so to speak.  I think this is the hardest part of the whole thing.  I’m trying to hold on with all my heart and I try to be sweet and make her laugh, but it just seems as if it’s "not needed", and so that’s how I’ve felt.  I feel that she doesn’t "need me" in her life, only because I’m not getting those emotinos thrown back at me as I used to at one point in our relationship.  I don’t know if this makes sense, but it’s just how I feel.  I’ve realized that she does need me, and I need to be there for her. I can’t give up on her that easy. We’ve gone through a LOT in our relationship and have fought many of battles before this one came up, but the only thing is that we fought them together as a couple.  I can’t give up on this one – and I know this.  I love this girl way too much. I have told her about this ng and I will get on her on it as soon as I can so that she can share some of her problems and talk to people that are going through the same thing as she is. I guess I did forget to mention that we carry on a long distant relationship at the moment.  We lived in the same city for 3 of our years, and then two years ago, I moved for job purposes and she had to stay behind for school and other issues that would not allow her to move at the moment.  That in itself is a struggle, but I know that my love for this girl isn’t seeing her everyday or having to have her in the same city, cause it stems from my heart – and I’ve found out the heart knows no distance.  It loves from miles and miles apart.  We are only 2 hours away so we get to see each other often, although now with her disease, she gets very tired and I fear of her driving alone, so her visits here are limited. I know there are many doctors here in San Antonio, and I’ve suggested to her to come and try one out. The only thing is trying to figure out which is the best one.  Since she was very "neglected" by this first doctor, she’s very scared of just trying another one and she wants to find a recommendation from someone first. We are currently looking for doctors in the Dallas, Austin, San Antonio area for her to travel to.  Ultimately, it’s her decision, although I would love for her to find one here in San Antonio. I just want her to get better. I continue to try and be her crutch, and her strenght – but a lot of the time, I’m fighting just to be my own.  I’m doing a lot more reading and researching trying to understand this disease, but the more I read about it the more saddened I get that she is having to go through this.  I would take on this disease for her if I could. Again, thanks for your help and understanding of the pain just doesn’t stop with Chrohn’s victims, but goes all the way through their loved ones.  I look forward to reading and sharing our experiences with you guys. Mingo Mingo, What a bueatiful, caring letter. Yes. I too wish everyone living with a chronic illness had someone like you. Is the reason she can only use the doctor she is using managed care. Most managed care organizations who do not have a specialist that is needed will pay for that specialist out of the plan. In the meantime I suggest you as her significant other educate yourselves by going to the Crohn’s and ulcerative colitis website, review the information and if you can, purchase some of the books avialable. Any primary care physician can also go on the internet and update himself/herself on the latest in diagnostic and treatment modalities. I suggest that your doctor contact the Deptartment of Gastroenterology at the University of Texas. They are in the Department of Medicine on the website of the University. The webpage below is the CCFA’s listing of GI doctors in San Antonio and as I said a managed care entity must have specialists on its panal. http://www.ccfa.org/medcentral/roster/pdf/Texas.pdf– Good luck. Pearl L Hello All,     This is my first to ever use a newsgroup, but I think at this point I’ll try and do just about anything.  I’ve been reading all the past posts and issues that each of you face, and I just want you to know that I hope each and every one of you has a great family, friend, or significant other that loves you as much as I love mine.     My girlfriend was recently diagnosed with Chrohns.  She’s been sick for the past 4 years or so, with various symptoms but a doctor never put the disease with the symptoms.  She is from a small town and the even works in the medical field, yet her medical attention has gone un-noticed. Since she’s been diagnosed, she’s gone through trial after trial, each bringing a new challenge to her plate.  Her doctor isn’t a Chrohn’s specialist, and doesn’t know much about the disease, but it’s the only doctor in the town that she can see.  She’s tried various medications like the Pentasa, but it didn’t help matters worse. Just recently she decided to go outside her insurance network and see a doctor at the Scott & White clinic in Temple, TX. She found a doctor that was very caring and helped her get some questions answered.  He even suggested that she try Remecade (sp). She convinced her doctor to let her try it, and she had her first treatment in _____.  She had an allergic reaction to the medication and a case of temporary arthritis.  I guess you guys are all familiar with this stuff and I don’t need to go on…but let me get to the purpose of this post.     I am talking about someone that is MY LIFE, she is everything to me and I love her so much.  I’m struggling every day to figure out what "I can do", cause through this whole process, I’ve felt helpless. She’s very sad and very depressed, and I’ve lost touch with the one person I care about the most.  It’s hard to tell her everything is going to be OK when I don’t know that it will.  She’s a different person now, and I feel

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RE: Re: Robbed by Chrohns Dear, Noella, Linda and Pearl I wasn’t expecting a response so quickly, but I appreciate the responses. My girlfriend is on depression medication, and she has been on since finding out about this disease.  The only downpoint to this, is that this medication was meant to help the "down feelings" she was having, but at the same time has seemed to strip her from any feelings.  I know that they are still there on the inside, but I just don’t see them anymore.  It’s hard for her to show me how she feels anymore, cause she’s just "there", so to speak.  I think this is the hardest part of the whole thing.  I’m trying to hold on with all my heart and I try to be sweet and make her laugh, but it just seems as if it’s "not needed", and so that’s how I’ve felt.  I feel that she doesn’t "need me" in her life, only because I’m not getting those emotinos thrown back at me as I used to at one point in our relationship.  I don’t know if this makes sense, but it’s just how I feel.  

- It makes COMPLETE sense.  It is exactly the way my wife and I have been for the last two years.  See, my wife has Crohns… so I can relate to what you are saying.  It is hard to be close to someone who seems to have no feelings.  I know they are there, I can see them in her eyes… but only in her eyes. Fortunately, my wife is off Prednisone, losing weight and feeling better.  With all those positives, she should be able to cut back on the anti-depressants soon and may soon become "her old self".   – In your case, I will pray for a remission, a break in her stress.  If she feels better for a while, she may start "feeling" again.   –                                              I’ve realized that she does need me, and I need to be there for her. I can’t give up on her that easy. We’ve gone through a LOT in our relationship and have fought many of battles before this one came up, but the only thing is that we fought them together as a couple.  I can’t give up on this one – and I know this.  I love this girl way too much.

- Good!  This is the best.  You have to realize that you can not fix her.  And for us on the outside, that is the hardest.  I don’t know how it is for women whose husbands are the ill ones, but for me (and many men it seems) the need to be able to fix your loved one is very strong, and it can be hard to have to sit by and know you can’t fix it.  You have to come to terms with this and understand that while you can’t personally fix whats wrong, you CAN still be there, you CAN still love and care for/about her.  And if you want her to be well again, you HAVE to stand by her. – I have told her about this ng and I will get on her on it as soon as I can so that she can share some of her problems and talk to people that are going through the same thing as she is.

- That is great!  There are a lot of real great people on here!!!!! – I guess I did forget to mention that we carry on a long distant relationship at the moment.  We lived in the same city for 3 of our years, and then two years ago, I moved for job purposes and she had to stay behind for school and other issues that would not allow her to move at the moment.  That in itself is a struggle, but I know that my love for this girl isn’t seeing her everyday or having to have her in the same city, cause it stems from my heart – and I’ve found out the heart knows no distance.  It loves from miles and miles apart.  We are only 2 hours away so we get to see each other often, although now with her disease, she gets very tired and I fear of her driving alone, so her visits here are limited.

- Then you must visit her.  Make her feel special, by telling her you can come to her.  By showing that you can come to her.  There is so much more than these words can say to you… Being there for her is the *BEST* thing you can do.  It is very hard when you are apart like this, I don’t know how I would be able to handle it if we weren’t in the same house. – I know there are many doctors here in San Antonio, and I’ve suggested to her to come and try one out. The only thing is trying to figure out which is the best one.  Since she was very "neglected" by this first doctor, she’s very scared of just trying another one and she wants to find a recommendation from someone first. We are currently looking for doctors in the Dallas, Austin, San Antonio area for her to travel to.  Ultimately, it’s her decision, although I would love for her to find one here in San Antonio.  I just want her to get better. I continue to try and be her crutch, and her strenght – but a lot of the time, I’m fighting just to be my own.  I’m doing a lot more reading and researching trying to understand this disease, but the more I read about it the more saddened I get that she is having to go through this.  I would take on this disease for her if I could.

- Keep that attitude.  Don’t give up on her.  If you can make it through this, then you will make it through anything!   – My only suggestion would be that as soon as it is practical, move "together". Nothing beats being there.  You will be her crutch, you will be her strength. – Again, thanks for your help and understanding of the pain just doesn’t stop with Chrohn’s victims, but goes all the way through their loved ones.  I look forward to reading and sharing our experiences with you guys.

- I hope we see more of you and her on here.   – – – Doc – – David R Leifheit – Origin: The Wild Wild West * 503-623-0185

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Mingo, As Linda said, there are many anti-depressants. Additionally the drug needs to be "titrated" meaning begin on a low dose and gradually build up to a level that works. It seems that she is over-medicated. I hope you go to the CCFA website and find doctors in the various cities you mentioned. You could also go to the American Gastroenterological Association or the American College of Gastroenterology site. I don’t mean to scare anyone but I have seen several people die of Crohn’s; others have their colons removed. If the disease is in the ileum, or small intestine, her nutrition could be compromised and being deficient in certain vitimins, minerals and proteins can make one weak; being depressed can cause one to sleep all the time. It is vitil that she receive appropriate care. I’m sure you will do all you can to get her to an appropriate doctor. Order the New – People Not Patients. She could see herself in others. I was featured in the first People Not Patients. Remember treatment must be tailored to the individual and initiated at the right time if she is to avoid the worse case scenario. — Pearl. L

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Linda,     I want to say she is currently on Zoloft.  I’m not sure if she’s tried any other types.  I think she will join the ng soon, well as soon as I can instruct her how to get on. (she has a very old computer).  I’m not sure how she feels about me discussing all her problems on this ng.  My main purpose was to help me, help her out.  I’m sure she’ll be on soon, and maybe when she’s on – she will let you know who she is. : ) Thanks so much, Mingo Mingo, Another note about the anti-depressant your girlfriend (may we know her a few before I really found what works for me.  There are many on the market and she may have to try others before she finds the right one.  Perhaps you could gently ask her to check this out.  Be strong – I know it’s rough. Hugs,  Linda Dear, Noella, Linda and Pearl I wasn’t expecting a response so quickly, but I appreciate the responses. My girlfriend is on depression medication, and she has been on since finding out about this disease.  The only downpoint to this, is that this medication was meant to help the "down feelings" she was having, but at the same time has seemed to strip her from any feelings.  I know that they are still there on the inside, but I just don’t see them anymore.  It’s hard for her to show me how she feels anymore, cause she’s just "there", so to speak.  I think this is the hardest part of the whole thing.  I’m trying to hold on with all my heart and I try to be sweet and make her laugh, but it just seems as if it’s "not needed", and so that’s how I’ve felt.  I feel that she doesn’t "need me" in her life, only because I’m not getting those emotinos thrown back at me as I used to at one point in our relationship.  I don’t know if this makes sense, but it’s just how I feel.  I’ve realized that she does need me, and I need to be there for her. I can’t give up on her that easy. We’ve gone through a LOT in our relationship and have fought many of battles before this one came up, but the only thing is that we fought them together as a couple.  I can’t give up on this one – and I know this.  I love this girl way too much. I have told her about this ng and I will get on her on it as soon as I can so that she can share some of her problems and talk to people that are going through the same thing as she is. I guess I did forget to mention that we carry on a long distant relationship at the moment.  We lived in the same city for 3 of our years, and then two years ago, I moved for job purposes and she had to stay behind for school and other issues that would not allow her to move at the moment.  That in itself is a struggle, but I know that my love for this girl isn’t seeing her everyday or having to have her in the same city, cause it stems from my heart – and I’ve found out the heart knows no distance.  It loves from miles and miles apart.  We are only 2 hours away so we get to see each other often, although now with her disease, she gets very tired and I fear of her driving alone, so her visits here are limited. I know there are many doctors here in San Antonio, and I’ve suggested to her to come and try one out. The only thing is trying to figure out which is the best one.  Since she was very "neglected" by this first doctor, she’s very scared of just trying another one and she wants to find a recommendation from someone first. We are currently looking for doctors in the Dallas, Austin, San Antonio area for her to travel to.  Ultimately, it’s her decision, although I would love for her to find one here in San Antonio. I just want her to get better. I continue to try and be her crutch, and her strenght – but a lot of the time, I’m fighting just to be my own.  I’m doing a lot more reading and researching trying to understand this disease, but the more I read about it the more saddened I get that she is having to go through this.  I would take on this disease for her if I could. Again, thanks for your help and understanding of the pain just doesn’t stop with Chrohn’s victims, but goes all the way through their loved ones. I look forward to reading and sharing our experiences with you guys. Mingo Mingo, What a bueatiful, caring letter. Yes. I too wish everyone living with a chronic illness had someone like you. Is the reason she can only use the doctor she is using managed care. Most managed care organizations who do not have a specialist that is needed will pay for that specialist out of the plan. In the meantime I suggest you as her significant other educate yourselves by going to the Crohn’s and ulcerative colitis website, review the information and if you can, purchase some of the books avialable. Any primary care physician can also go on the internet and update himself/herself on the latest in diagnostic and treatment modalities. I suggest that your doctor contact the Deptartment of Gastroenterology at the University of Texas. They are in the Department of Medicine on the website of the University. The webpage below is the CCFA’s listing of GI doctors in San Antonio and as I said a managed care entity must have specialists on its panal. http://www.ccfa.org/medcentral/roster/pdf/Texas.pdf– Good luck. Pearl L Hello All,     This is my first to ever use a newsgroup, but I think at this point I’ll try and do just about anything.  I’ve been reading all the past posts and issues that each of you face, and I just want you to know that I hope each and every one of you has a great family, friend, or significant other that loves you as much as I love mine.     My girlfriend was recently diagnosed with Chrohns.  She’s been sick for the past 4 years or so, with various symptoms but a doctor never put the disease with the symptoms.  She is from a small town and the even works in the medical field, yet her medical attention has gone un-noticed. Since she’s been diagnosed, she’s gone through trial after trial, each bringing a new challenge to her plate.  Her doctor isn’t a Chrohn’s specialist, and doesn’t know much about the disease, but it’s the only doctor in the town that she can see.  She’s tried various medications like the Pentasa, but it didn’t help matters worse. Just recently she decided to go outside her insurance network and see a doctor at the Scott & White clinic in Temple, TX. She found a doctor that was very caring and helped her get some questions answered.  He even suggested that she try Remecade (sp). She convinced her doctor to let her try it, and she had her first treatment in _____.  She had an allergic reaction to the medication and a case of temporary arthritis.  I guess you guys are all familiar with this stuff and I don’t need to go on…but let me get to the purpose of this post.     I am talking about someone that is MY LIFE, she is everything to me and I love her so much.  I’m struggling every day to figure out what "I can do", cause through this whole process, I’ve felt helpless. She’s very sad and very depressed, and I’ve lost touch with the one person I care

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What a lucky, lucky woman you have!!!  I can assure you that many of us only dreamed of having someone as wonderful as you in the first days of our disease. My advice is to stay on the track you’re on.  Search for info to share with her, introduce her to us, always tell her that she’s beautiful and unreplaceable, and don’t ever let her know you think that the symptoms of the disease are grose.   Yes, we change.  We begin to feel unsexy, unwanted and useless or a burden. And it’s very scarry at first.  Hang in there, you’re on the right track. Good Luck, Staci ps have her email some of us if you like.

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Linda,     I want to say she is currently on Zoloft.  I’m not sure if she’s tried any other types.  I think she will join the ng soon, well as soon as I can instruct her how to get on. (she has a very old computer).  I’m not sure how she feels about me discussing all her problems on this ng.  My main purpose was to help me, help her out.  I’m sure she’ll be on soon, and maybe when she’s on – she will let you know who she is. : ) Thanks so much, Mingo

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mingo, Another note about the anti-depressant your girlfriend (may we know her few before I really found what works for me.  There are many on the market and she may have to try others before she finds the right one.  Perhaps you could gently ask her to check this out.  Be strong – I know it’s rough. Hugs,  Linda Dear, Noella, Linda and Pearl I wasn’t expecting a response so quickly, but I appreciate the responses. My girlfriend is on depression medication, and she has been on since finding out about this disease.  The only downpoint to this, is that this medication was meant to help the "down feelings" she was having, but at the same time has seemed to strip her from any feelings.  I know that they are still there on the inside, but I just don’t see them anymore.  It’s hard for her to show me how she feels anymore, cause she’s just "there", so to speak.  I think this is the hardest part of the whole thing.  I’m trying to hold on with all my heart and I try to be sweet and make her laugh, but it just seems as if it’s "not needed", and so that’s how I’ve felt.  I feel that she doesn’t "need me" in her life, only because I’m not getting those emotinos thrown back at me as I used to at one point in our relationship.  I don’t know if this makes sense, but it’s just how I feel.  I’ve realized that she does need me, and I need to be there for her. I can’t give up on her that easy. We’ve gone through a LOT in our relationship and have fought many of battles before this one came up, but the only thing is that we fought them together as a couple.  I can’t give up on this one – and I know this.  I love this girl way too much. I have told her about this ng and I will get on her on it as soon as I can so that she can share some of her problems and talk to people that are going through the same thing as she is. I guess I did forget to mention that we carry on a long distant relationship at the moment.  We lived in the same city for 3 of our years, and then two years ago, I moved for job purposes and she had to stay behind for school and other issues that would not allow her to move at the moment.  That in itself is a struggle, but I know that my love for this girl isn’t seeing her everyday or having to have her in the same city, cause it stems from my heart – and I’ve found out the heart knows no distance.  It loves from miles and miles apart.  We are only 2 hours away so we get to see each other often, although now with her disease, she gets very tired and I fear of her driving alone, so her visits here are limited. I know there are many doctors here in San Antonio, and I’ve suggested to her to come and try one out. The only thing is trying to figure out which is the best one.  Since she was very "neglected" by this first doctor, she’s very scared of just trying another one and she wants to find a recommendation from someone first. We are currently looking for doctors in the Dallas, Austin, San Antonio area for her to travel to.  Ultimately, it’s her decision, although I would love for her to find one here in San Antonio. I just want her to get better. I continue to try and be her crutch, and her strenght – but a lot of the time, I’m fighting just to be my own.  I’m doing a lot more reading and researching trying to understand this disease, but the more I read about it the more saddened I get that she is having to go through this.  I would take on this disease for her if I could. Again, thanks for your help and understanding of the pain just doesn’t stop with Chrohn’s victims, but goes all the way through their loved ones.  I look forward to reading and sharing our experiences with you guys. Mingo Mingo, What a bueatiful, caring letter. Yes. I too wish everyone living with a chronic illness had someone like you. Is the reason she can only use the doctor she is using managed care. Most managed care organizations who do not have a specialist that is needed will pay for that specialist out of the plan. In the meantime I suggest you as her significant other educate yourselves by going to the Crohn’s and ulcerative colitis website, review the information and if you can, purchase some of the books avialable. Any primary care physician can also go on the internet and update himself/herself on the latest in diagnostic and treatment modalities. I suggest that your doctor contact the Deptartment of Gastroenterology at the University of Texas. They are in the Department of Medicine on the website of the University. The webpage below is the CCFA’s listing of GI doctors in San Antonio and as I said a managed care entity must have specialists on its panal. http://www.ccfa.org/medcentral/roster/pdf/Texas.pdf– Good luck. Pearl L Hello All,     This is my first to ever use a newsgroup, but I think at this point I’ll try and do just about anything.  I’ve been reading all the past posts and issues that each of you face, and I just want you to know that I hope each and every one of you has a great family, friend, or significant other that loves you as much as I love mine.     My girlfriend was recently diagnosed with Chrohns.  She’s been sick for the past 4 years or so, with various symptoms but a doctor never put the disease with the symptoms.  She is from a small town and the even works in the medical field, yet her medical attention has gone un-noticed. Since she’s been diagnosed, she’s gone through trial after trial, each bringing a new challenge to her plate.  Her doctor isn’t a Chrohn’s specialist, and doesn’t know much about the disease, but it’s the only doctor in the town that she can see.  She’s tried various medications like the Pentasa, but it didn’t help matters worse. Just recently she decided to go outside her insurance network and see a doctor at the Scott & White clinic in Temple, TX. She found a doctor that was very caring and helped her get some questions answered.  He even suggested that she try Remecade (sp). She convinced her doctor to let her try it, and she had her first treatment in _____.  She had an allergic reaction to the medication and a case of temporary arthritis.  I guess you guys are all familiar with this stuff and I don’t need to go on…but let me get to the purpose of this post.     I am talking about someone that is MY LIFE, she is everything to me and I love her so much.  I’m struggling every day to figure out what "I can do", cause through this whole process, I’ve felt helpless. She’s very sad and very depressed, and I’ve lost touch with the one person I care about the most.  It’s hard to tell her everything is going to be OK when I don’t know that it will.  She’s a different person now, and I feel I’ve been robbed of love by this disease of Chrohn’s.     If anyone out there has a loved one, or any advice they could give me on how I can support her and help her fight this disease, I would appreciate it.  She is a weak person by nature, and now with this disease, she is fighting for her life.  She is letting this disease take control of her life and mental attitude and I feel I need to step in and fight it for her. Please please if anyone can help me and give me some advice, I would truly appreciate it.  Thanks for your time… -Mingo Gonzales San Antonio, TX

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Mingo, Another note about the anti-depressant your girlfriend (may we know her few before I really found what works for me.  There are many on the market and she may have to try others before she finds the right one.  Perhaps you could gently ask her to check this out.  Be strong – I know it’s rough. Hugs,  Linda

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear, Noella, Linda and Pearl I wasn’t expecting a response so quickly, but I appreciate the responses. My girlfriend is on depression medication, and she has been on since finding out about this disease.  The only downpoint to this, is that this medication was meant to help the "down feelings" she was having, but at the same time has seemed to strip her from any feelings.  I know that they are still there on the inside, but I just don’t see them anymore.  It’s hard for her to show me how she feels anymore, cause she’s just "there", so to speak.  I think this is the hardest part of the whole thing.  I’m trying to hold on with all my heart and I try to be sweet and make her laugh, but it just seems as if it’s "not needed", and so that’s how I’ve felt.  I feel that she doesn’t "need me" in her life, only because I’m not getting those emotinos thrown back at me as I used to at one point in our relationship.  I don’t know if this makes sense, but it’s just how I feel.  I’ve realized that she does need me, and I need to be there for her. I can’t give up on her that easy. We’ve gone through a LOT in our relationship and have fought many of battles before this one came up, but the only thing is that we fought them together as a couple.  I can’t give up on this one – and I know this.  I love this girl way too much. I have told her about this ng and I will get on her on it as soon as I can so that she can share some of her problems and talk to people that are going through the same thing as she is. I guess I did forget to mention that we carry on a long distant relationship at the moment.  We lived in the same city for 3 of our years, and then two years ago, I moved for job purposes and she had to stay behind for school and other issues that would not allow her to move at the moment.  That in itself is a struggle, but I know that my love for this girl isn’t seeing her everyday or having to have her in the same city, cause it stems from my heart – and I’ve found out the heart knows no distance.  It loves from miles and miles apart.  We are only 2 hours away so we get to see each other often, although now with her disease, she gets very tired and I fear of her driving alone, so her visits here are limited. I know there are many doctors here in San Antonio, and I’ve suggested to her to come and try one out. The only thing is trying to figure out which is the best one.  Since she was very "neglected" by this first doctor, she’s very scared of just trying another one and she wants to find a recommendation from someone first. We are currently looking for doctors in the Dallas, Austin, San Antonio area for her to travel to.  Ultimately, it’s her decision, although I would love for her to find one here in San Antonio. I just want her to get better. I continue to try and be her crutch, and her strenght – but a lot of the time, I’m fighting just to be my own.  I’m doing a lot more reading and researching trying to understand this disease, but the more I read about it the more saddened I get that she is having to go through this.  I would take on this disease for her if I could. Again, thanks for your help and understanding of the pain just doesn’t stop with Chrohn’s victims, but goes all the way through their loved ones.  I look forward to reading and sharing our experiences with you guys. Mingo Mingo, What a bueatiful, caring letter. Yes. I too wish everyone living with a chronic illness had someone like you. Is the reason she can only use the doctor she is using managed care. Most managed care organizations who do not have a specialist that is needed will pay for that specialist out of the plan. In the meantime I suggest you as her significant other educate yourselves by going to the Crohn’s and ulcerative colitis website, review the information and if you can, purchase some of the books avialable. Any primary care physician can also go on the internet and update himself/herself on the latest in diagnostic and treatment modalities. I suggest that your doctor contact the Deptartment of Gastroenterology at the University of Texas. They are in the Department of Medicine on the website of the University. The webpage below is the CCFA’s listing of GI doctors in San Antonio and as I said a managed care entity must have specialists on its panal. http://www.ccfa.org/medcentral/roster/pdf/Texas.pdf– Good luck. Pearl L Hello All,     This is my first to ever use a newsgroup, but I think at this point I’ll try and do just about anything.  I’ve been reading all the past posts and issues that each of you face, and I just want you to know that I hope each and every one of you has a great family, friend, or significant other that loves you as much as I love mine.     My girlfriend was recently diagnosed with Chrohns.  She’s been sick for the past 4 years or so, with various symptoms but a doctor never put the disease with the symptoms.  She is from a small town and the even works in the medical field, yet her medical attention has gone un-noticed. Since she’s been diagnosed, she’s gone through trial after trial, each bringing a new challenge to her plate.  Her doctor isn’t a Chrohn’s specialist, and doesn’t know much about the disease, but it’s the only doctor in the town that she can see.  She’s tried various medications like the Pentasa, but it didn’t help matters worse. Just recently she decided to go outside her insurance network and see a doctor at the Scott & White clinic in Temple, TX. She found a doctor that was very caring and helped her get some questions answered.  He even suggested that she try Remecade (sp). She convinced her doctor to let her try it, and she had her first treatment in _____.  She had an allergic reaction to the medication and a case of temporary arthritis.  I guess you guys are all familiar with this stuff and I don’t need to go on…but let me get to the purpose of this post.     I am talking about someone that is MY LIFE, she is everything to me and I love her so much.  I’m struggling every day to figure out what "I can do", cause through this whole process, I’ve felt helpless. She’s very sad and very depressed, and I’ve lost touch with the one person I care about the most.  It’s hard to tell her everything is going to be OK when I don’t know that it will.  She’s a different person now, and I feel I’ve been robbed of love by this disease of Chrohn’s.     If anyone out there has a loved one, or any advice they could give me on how I can support her and help her fight this disease, I would appreciate it.  She is a weak person by nature, and now with this disease, she is fighting for her life.  She is letting this disease take control of her life and mental attitude and I feel I need to step in and fight it for her. Please please if anyone can help me and give me some advice, I would truly appreciate it.  Thanks for your time… -Mingo Gonzales San Antonio, TX

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Mingo- I’m sure it’s very hard to see your loved one go through all this.  My husband was so supportive of me through my tough times with Crohn’s.  I was very lucky to have a great support system between him and my family.  Not everyone is so lucky.  I’m sure it’s frustrating because you want to "fix it", but you can’t. Crohn’s (or any chronic illness) can drag you down physically and emotionally. Just try to be there to support her and be there for her (even if it is just to hold her hand through all this).  Things can get better.  What medications has she tried other than Pentasa and Remicade?  Has she tried a round of prednisone?  Imuran or 6-MP?  Or is if there is no luck there, is surgery an option for her?  There is so much to deal with regarding this illness. Possible anti-depressants could help her too. She also needs to realize that she is not alone.  This newsgroup was (and still is) the best thing that ever happened to me.  Maybe you could convince her to stop on in and receive a great welcome.   I know this is getting long, but feel free to email me if you’d like Be well- Tracy CD class of ‘98 my homepage: http://home.talkcity.com/ParadiseDr/goodboie/index.html  : )  smile – it makes people wonder what you’re up to!

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In addition to what Pearl said you may need to fight in insurance co. and insist they cover an IBD specialist, not just the GI who has no experience but is a GI. :)  mgbio – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mingo, What a bueatiful, caring letter. Yes. I too wish everyone living with a chronic illness had someone like you. Is the reason she can only use the doctor she is using managed care. Most managed care organizations who do not have a specialist that is needed will pay for that specialist out of the plan. In the meantime I suggest you as her significant other educate yourselves by going to the Crohn’s and ulcerative colitis website, review the information and if you can, purchase some of the books avialable. Any primary care physician can also go on the internet and update himself/herself on the latest in diagnostic and treatment modalities. I suggest that your doctor contact the Deptartment of Gastroenterology at the University of Texas. They are in the Department of Medicine on the website of the University. The webpage below is the CCFA’s listing of GI doctors in San Antonio and as I said a managed care entity must have specialists on its panal. http://www.ccfa.org/medcentral/roster/pdf/Texas.pdf– Good luck. Pearl L Hello All,     This is my first to ever use a newsgroup, but I think at this point I’ll try and do just about anything.  I’ve been reading all the past posts and issues that each of you face, and I just want you to know that I hope each and every one of you has a great family, friend, or significant other that loves you as much as I love mine.     My girlfriend was recently diagnosed with Chrohns.  She’s been sick for the past 4 years or so, with various symptoms but a doctor never put the disease with the symptoms.  She is from a small town and the even works in the medical field, yet her medical attention has gone un-noticed.  Since she’s been diagnosed, she’s gone through trial after trial, each bringing a new challenge to her plate.  Her doctor isn’t a Chrohn’s specialist, and doesn’t know much about the disease, but it’s the only doctor in the town that she can see.  She’s tried various medications like the Pentasa, but it didn’t help matters worse. Just recently she decided to go outside her insurance network and see a doctor at the Scott & White clinic in Temple, TX. She found a doctor that was very caring and helped her get some questions answered.  He even suggested that she try Remecade (sp).  She convinced her doctor to let her try it, and she had her first treatment in _____.  She had an allergic reaction to the medication and a case of temporary arthritis.  I guess you guys are all familiar with this stuff and I don’t need to go on…but let me get to the purpose of this post.     I am talking about someone that is MY LIFE, she is everything to me and I love her so much.  I’m struggling every day to figure out what "I can do", cause through this whole process, I’ve felt helpless. She’s very sad and very depressed, and I’ve lost touch with the one person I care about the most.  It’s hard to tell her everything is going to be OK when I don’t know that it will.  She’s a different person now, and I feel I’ve been robbed of love by this disease of Chrohn’s.     If anyone out there has a loved one, or any advice they could give me on how I can support her and help her fight this disease, I would appreciate it.  She is a weak person by nature, and now with this disease, she is fighting for her life.  She is letting this disease take control of her life and mental attitude and I feel I need to step in and fight it for her. Please please if anyone can help me and give me some advice, I would truly appreciate it.  Thanks for your time… -Mingo Gonzales San Antonio, TX

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Mingo, I’m sorry to hear that your girlfriend is having such a tough time with her CD.  Depression is not uncommon with any chronic illness and it sounds like she is suffering from depression on top of anything else. She should talk to her doctor about it.  She may be able to overcome her depression with talk therapy, pharmaceuticals or a combination of both. The best thing you can do is educate both her and yourself on CD, the various medications available, treatments, tests, etc.  A great place to start is the Crohn’s & Colitis Foundation of America’s web site, http://www.ccfa.org.  I have a web site with both information and links that can help you, http://www.skyweb.net/~mgbio/cd/cd.html. Good luck, :) mgbio CD Class of ‘99 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello All,     This is my first to ever use a newsgroup, but I think at this point I’ll try and do just about anything.  I’ve been reading all the past posts and issues that each of you face, and I just want you to know that I hope each and every one of you has a great family, friend, or significant other that loves you as much as I love mine.     My girlfriend was recently diagnosed with Chrohns.  She’s been sick for the past 4 years or so, with various symptoms but a doctor never put the disease with the symptoms.  She is from a small town and the even works in the medical field, yet her medical attention has gone un-noticed.  Since she’s been diagnosed, she’s gone through trial after trial, each bringing a new challenge to her plate.  Her doctor isn’t a Chrohn’s specialist, and doesn’t know much about the disease, but it’s the only doctor in the town that she can see.  She’s tried various medications like the Pentasa, but it didn’t help matters worse. Just recently she decided to go outside her insurance network and see a doctor at the Scott & White clinic in Temple, TX. She found a doctor that was very caring and helped her get some questions answered.  He even suggested that she try Remecade (sp).  She convinced her doctor to let her try it, and she had her first treatment in _____.  She had an allergic reaction to the medication and a case of temporary arthritis.  I guess you guys are all familiar with this stuff and I don’t need to go on…but let me get to the purpose of this post.     I am talking about someone that is MY LIFE, she is everything to me and I love her so much.  I’m struggling every day to figure out what "I can do", cause through this whole process, I’ve felt helpless. She’s very sad and very depressed, and I’ve lost touch with the one person I care about the most.  It’s hard to tell her everything is going to be OK when I don’t know that it will.  She’s a different person now, and I feel I’ve been robbed of love by this disease of Chrohn’s.     If anyone out there has a loved one, or any advice they could give me on how I can support her and help her fight this disease, I would appreciate it.  She is a weak person by nature, and now with this disease, she is fighting for her life.  She is letting this disease take control of her life and mental attitude and I feel I need to step in and fight it for her. Please please if anyone can help me and give me some advice, I would truly appreciate it.  Thanks for your time… -Mingo Gonzales San Antonio, TX

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Dear, Noella, Linda and Pearl I wasn’t expecting a response so quickly, but I appreciate the responses. My girlfriend is on depression medication, and she has been on since finding out about this disease.  The only downpoint to this, is that this medication was meant to help the "down feelings" she was having, but at the same time has seemed to strip her from any feelings.  I know that they are still there on the inside, but I just don’t see them anymore.  It’s hard for her to show me how she feels anymore, cause she’s just "there", so to speak.  I think this is the hardest part of the whole thing.  I’m trying to hold on with all my heart and I try to be sweet and make her laugh, but it just seems as if it’s "not needed", and so that’s how I’ve felt.  I feel that she doesn’t "need me" in her life, only because I’m not getting those emotinos thrown back at me as I used to at one point in our relationship.  I don’t know if this makes sense, but it’s just how I feel.  I’ve realized that she does need me, and I need to be there for her. I can’t give up on her that easy. We’ve gone through a LOT in our relationship and have fought many of battles before this one came up, but the only thing is that we fought them together as a couple.  I can’t give up on this one – and I know this.  I love this girl way too much. I have told her about this ng and I will get on her on it as soon as I can so that she can share some of her problems and talk to people that are going through the same thing as she is. I guess I did forget to mention that we carry on a long distant relationship at the moment.  We lived in the same city for 3 of our years, and then two years ago, I moved for job purposes and she had to stay behind for school and other issues that would not allow her to move at the moment.  That in itself is a struggle, but I know that my love for this girl isn’t seeing her everyday or having to have her in the same city, cause it stems from my heart – and I’ve found out the heart knows no distance.  It loves from miles and miles apart.  We are only 2 hours away so we get to see each other often, although now with her disease, she gets very tired and I fear of her driving alone, so her visits here are limited. I know there are many doctors here in San Antonio, and I’ve suggested to her to come and try one out. The only thing is trying to figure out which is the best one.  Since she was very "neglected" by this first doctor, she’s very scared of just trying another one and she wants to find a recommendation from someone first. We are currently looking for doctors in the Dallas, Austin, San Antonio area for her to travel to.  Ultimately, it’s her decision, although I would love for her to find one here in San Antonio.  I just want her to get better. I continue to try and be her crutch, and her strenght – but a lot of the time, I’m fighting just to be my own.  I’m doing a lot more reading and researching trying to understand this disease, but the more I read about it the more saddened I get that she is having to go through this.  I would take on this disease for her if I could. Again, thanks for your help and understanding of the pain just doesn’t stop with Chrohn’s victims, but goes all the way through their loved ones.  I look forward to reading and sharing our experiences with you guys. Mingo

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mingo, What a bueatiful, caring letter. Yes. I too wish everyone living with a chronic illness had someone like you. Is the reason she can only use the doctor she is using managed care. Most managed care organizations who do not have a specialist that is needed will pay for that specialist out of the plan. In the meantime I suggest you as her significant other educate yourselves by going to the Crohn’s and ulcerative colitis website, review the information and if you can, purchase some of the books avialable. Any primary care physician can also go on the internet and update himself/herself on the latest in diagnostic and treatment modalities. I suggest that your doctor contact the Deptartment of Gastroenterology at the University of Texas. They are in the Department of Medicine on the website of the University. The webpage below is the CCFA’s listing of GI doctors in San Antonio and as I said a managed care entity must have specialists on its panal. http://www.ccfa.org/medcentral/roster/pdf/Texas.pdf– Good luck. Pearl L Hello All,     This is my first to ever use a newsgroup, but I think at this point I’ll try and do just about anything.  I’ve been reading all the past posts and issues that each of you face, and I just want you to know that I hope each and every one of you has a great family, friend, or significant other that loves you as much as I love mine.     My girlfriend was recently diagnosed with Chrohns.  She’s been sick for the past 4 years or so, with various symptoms but a doctor never put the disease with the symptoms.  She is from a small town and the even works in the medical field, yet her medical attention has gone un-noticed.  Since she’s been diagnosed, she’s gone through trial after trial, each bringing a new challenge to her plate.  Her doctor isn’t a Chrohn’s specialist, and doesn’t know much about the disease, but it’s the only doctor in the town that she can see.  She’s tried various medications like the Pentasa, but it didn’t help matters worse. Just recently she decided to go outside her insurance network and see a doctor at the Scott & White clinic in Temple, TX. She found a doctor that was very caring and helped her get some questions answered.  He even suggested that she try Remecade (sp).  She convinced her doctor to let her try it, and she had her first treatment in _____.  She had an allergic reaction to the medication and a case of temporary arthritis.  I guess you guys are all familiar with this stuff and I don’t need to go on…but let me get to the purpose of this post.     I am talking about someone that is MY LIFE, she is everything to me and I love her so much.  I’m struggling every day to figure out what "I can do", cause through this whole process, I’ve felt helpless. She’s very sad and very depressed, and I’ve lost touch with the one person I care about the most.  It’s hard to tell her everything is going to be OK when I don’t know that it will.  She’s a different person now, and I feel I’ve been robbed of love by this disease of Chrohn’s.     If anyone out there has a loved one, or any advice they could give me on how I can support her and help her fight this disease, I would appreciate it.  She is a weak person by nature, and now with this disease, she is fighting for her life.  She is letting this disease take control of her life and mental attitude and I feel I need to step in and fight it for her. Please please if anyone can help me and give me some advice, I would truly appreciate it.  Thanks for your time… -Mingo Gonzales San Antonio, TX

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Mingo, What a bueatiful, caring letter. Yes. I too wish everyone living with a chronic illness had someone like you. Is the reason she can only use the doctor she is using managed care. Most managed care organizations who do not have a specialist that is needed will pay for that specialist out of the plan. In the meantime I suggest you as her significant other educate yourselves by going to the Crohn’s and ulcerative colitis website, review the information and if you can, purchase some of the books avialable. Any primary care physician can also go on the internet and update himself/herself on the latest in diagnostic and treatment modalities. I suggest that your doctor contact the Deptartment of Gastroenterology at the University of Texas. They are in the Department of Medicine on the website of the University. The webpage below is the CCFA’s listing of GI doctors in San Antonio and as I said a managed care entity must have specialists on its panal. http://www.ccfa.org/medcentral/roster/pdf/Texas.pdf–

Good luck. Pearl L

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello All,     This is my first to ever use a newsgroup, but I think at this point I’ll try and do just about anything.  I’ve been reading all the past posts and issues that each of you face, and I just want you to know that I hope each and every one of you has a great family, friend, or significant other that loves you as much as I love mine.     My girlfriend was recently diagnosed with Chrohns.  She’s been sick for the past 4 years or so, with various symptoms but a doctor never put the disease with the symptoms.  She is from a small town and the even works in the medical field, yet her medical attention has gone un-noticed.  Since she’s been diagnosed, she’s gone through trial after trial, each bringing a new challenge to her plate.  Her doctor isn’t a Chrohn’s specialist, and doesn’t know much about the disease, but it’s the only doctor in the town that she can see.  She’s tried various medications like the Pentasa, but it didn’t help matters worse. Just recently she decided to go outside her insurance network and see a doctor at the Scott & White clinic in Temple, TX. She found a doctor that was very caring and helped her get some questions answered.  He even suggested that she try Remecade (sp).  She convinced her doctor to let her try it, and she had her first treatment in _____.  She had an allergic reaction to the medication and a case of temporary arthritis.  I guess you guys are all familiar with this stuff and I don’t need to go on…but let me get to the purpose of this post.     I am talking about someone that is MY LIFE, she is everything to me and I love her so much.  I’m struggling every day to figure out what "I can do", cause through this whole process, I’ve felt helpless. She’s very sad and very depressed, and I’ve lost touch with the one person I care about the most.  It’s hard to tell her everything is going to be OK when I don’t know that it will.  She’s a different person now, and I feel I’ve been robbed of love by this disease of Chrohn’s.     If anyone out there has a loved one, or any advice they could give me on how I can support her and help her fight this disease, I would appreciate it.  She is a weak person by nature, and now with this disease, she is fighting for her life.  She is letting this disease take control of her life and mental attitude and I feel I need to step in and fight it for her. Please please if anyone can help me and give me some advice, I would truly appreciate it.  Thanks for your time… -Mingo Gonzales San Antonio, TX

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Dear Mingo, Your post breaks my heart!!  What a lucky woman your girlfriend is.  The very best piece of advice I can give you is from my own experiences with my husband of 33 yrs and fighting CD for 32 years.  You are doing the most good by being there for her and I applaud you for it.  Just knowing my husband understood (as well as anyone could) how bad I felt and how I felt like there was no future for me to have to live like this, was the most important thing for me.  He was my security,  reassuring me that he would always be there for me, taking me to my dr appts and listening as I was never very good at remembering everything the dr said (I believe too many meds affected my memory ;o)  ).  If you love her as you say, and I don’t doubt that for a moment, YOU will have to be her hero.  Let her know she can count on you for anything.  Crohn’s is a very nasty disease that can make day to day living very difficult.  I too was deeply depressed and spoke to my dr about it.  He put me on an antidepressant and it has helped me immensely over the years. I strongly suggest you check into this.  Many IBD folks are being treated for depression; it just seems to go with the territory.  When you feel bad day after day after day, there doesn’t seem to be any light at the end of the tunnel. Just be there for her Mingo.  Reassure her of your love for her and wanting to be an integral part of her healing.  These bad times will pass and there will be good times ahead.  It might also be a good idea if you could interest your girlfriend to read this ng.  We’re really good at helping folks smile and forgetting, if only for a little while, that they don’t feel good on that particular day.  I’m very happy you posted and if there’s Hugs to you and your girlfriend, Linda ~~~~~~~

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello All,     This is my first to ever use a newsgroup, but I think at this point I’ll try and do just about anything.  I’ve been reading all the past posts and issues that each of you face, and I just want you to know that I hope each and every one of you has a great family, friend, or significant other that loves you as much as I love mine.     My girlfriend was recently diagnosed with Chrohns.  She’s been sick for the past 4 years or so, with various symptoms but a doctor never put the disease with the symptoms.  She is from a small town and the even works in the medical field, yet her medical attention has gone un-noticed.  Since she’s been diagnosed, she’s gone through trial after trial, each bringing a new challenge to her plate.  Her doctor isn’t a Chrohn’s specialist, and doesn’t know much about the disease, but it’s the only doctor in the town that she can see.  She’s tried various medications like the Pentasa, but it didn’t help matters worse. Just recently she decided to go outside her insurance network and see a doctor at the Scott & White clinic in Temple, TX. She found a doctor that was very caring and helped her get some questions answered.  He even suggested that she try Remecade (sp).  She convinced her doctor to let her try it, and she had her first treatment in _____.  She had an allergic reaction to the medication and a case of temporary arthritis.  I guess you guys are all familiar with this stuff and I don’t need to go on…but let me get to the purpose of this post.     I am talking about someone that is MY LIFE, she is everything to me and I love her so much.  I’m struggling every day to figure out what "I can do", cause through this whole process, I’ve felt helpless. She’s very sad and very depressed, and I’ve lost touch with the one person I care about the most.  It’s hard to tell her everything is going to be OK when I don’t know that it will.  She’s a different person now, and I feel I’ve been robbed of love by this disease of Chrohn’s.     If anyone out there has a loved one, or any advice they could give me on how I can support her and help her fight this disease, I would appreciate it.  She is a weak person by nature, and now with this disease, she is fighting for her life.  She is letting this disease take control of her life and mental attitude and I feel I need to step in and fight it for her. Please please if anyone can help me and give me some advice, I would truly appreciate it.  Thanks for your time… -Mingo Gonzales San Antonio, TX

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Hi Mingo, There are many things you can do for your girl friend. first be as strong, loving and caring as you can. It really help to have somebody you can count on when you’re in a bad shape. But don’t let her feel sorry for herself. She has to learn to be strong and to cope. You can help her do her own research on Crohn (as a start you canshow her this newsgroup for example). We can’t only relate on doctors with this disease. We have to be educated. It’s good psychologically too. It’ll help her persuade herself she is the one who is in charge, not the disease. There are some treatments that work for people here in this group: The SCDiet (www.scdiet.org). A carbohydrates free diet. The RMAT treatment (www.shafran.net). An antibiotic treatment, based on the theory that Crohn is triggered by a bacteria ( MAP: mycobacterium avium paratuberculosis). Dietary supplements can also help. I use chinese medicine (herbs and acupuncture), a restrictive diet,and homeopathy with great success. For each of the treatments I told you about, there are some people inthis ng that will be able to give her some advice. As for your girl friend being depressed, well this is normal considering what she is going through.. It will slowly fade away when she sees any improvments in her condition. If she can’t handle it, there are meds to fight depression. I can’t counsel you on this, because I always refused to take any, but I’m sure there are several persons in this ng who would happily give you some advice. There are many things to be done for her to get better. Take care Noella – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello All,     This is my first to ever use a newsgroup, but I think at this point I’ll try and do just about anything.  I’ve been reading all the past posts and issues that each of you face, and I just want you to know that I hope each and every one of you has a great family, friend, or significant other that loves you as much as I love mine.     My girlfriend was recently diagnosed with Chrohns.  She’s been sick for the past 4 years or so, with various symptoms but a doctor never put the disease with the symptoms.  She is from a small town and the even works in the medical field, yet her medical attention has gone un-noticed.  Since she’s been diagnosed, she’s gone through trial after trial, each bringing a new challenge to her plate.  Her doctor isn’t a Chrohn’s specialist, and doesn’t know much about the disease, but it’s the only doctor in the town that she can see.  She’s tried various medications like the Pentasa, but it didn’t help matters worse. Just recently she decided to go outside her insurance network and see a doctor at the Scott & White clinic in Temple, TX. She found a doctor that was very caring and helped her get some questions answered.  He even suggested that she try Remecade (sp).  She convinced her doctor to let her try it, and she had her first treatment in _____.  She had an allergic reaction to the medication and a case of temporary arthritis.  I guess you guys are all familiar with this stuff and I don’t need to go on…but let me get to the purpose of this post.     I am talking about someone that is MY LIFE, she is everything to me and I love her so much.  I’m struggling every day to figure out what "I can do", cause through this whole process, I’ve felt helpless. She’s very sad and very depressed, and I’ve lost touch with the one person I care about the most.  It’s hard to tell her everything is going to be OK when I don’t know that it will.  She’s a different person now, and I feel I’ve been robbed of love by this disease of Chrohn’s.     If anyone out there has a loved one, or any advice they could give me on how I can support her and help her fight this disease, I would appreciate it.  She is a weak person by nature, and now with this disease, she is fighting for her life.  She is letting this disease take control of her life and mental attitude and I feel I need to step in and fight it for her. Please please if anyone can help me and give me some advice, I would truly appreciate it.  Thanks for your time… -Mingo Gonzales San Antonio, TX

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Hello All,     This is my first to ever use a newsgroup, but I think at this point I’ll try and do just about anything.  I’ve been reading all the past posts and issues that each of you face, and I just want you to know that I hope each and every one of you has a great family, friend, or significant other that loves you as much as I love mine.     My girlfriend was recently diagnosed with Chrohns.  She’s been sick for the past 4 years or so, with various symptoms but a doctor never put the disease with the symptoms.  She is from a small town and the even works in the medical field, yet her medical attention has gone un-noticed.  Since she’s been diagnosed, she’s gone through trial after trial, each bringing a new challenge to her plate.  Her doctor isn’t a Chrohn’s specialist, and doesn’t know much about the disease, but it’s the only doctor in the town that she can see.  She’s tried various medications like the Pentasa, but it didn’t help matters worse. Just recently she decided to go outside her insurance network and see a doctor at the Scott & White clinic in Temple, TX. She found a doctor that was very caring and helped her get some questions answered.  He even suggested that she try Remecade (sp).  She convinced her doctor to let her try it, and she had her first treatment in _____.  She had an allergic reaction to the medication and a case of temporary arthritis.  I guess you guys are all familiar with this stuff and I don’t need to go on…but let me get to the purpose of this post.     I am talking about someone that is MY LIFE, she is everything to me and I love her so much.  I’m struggling every day to figure out what "I can do", cause through this whole process, I’ve felt helpless. She’s very sad and very depressed, and I’ve lost touch with the one person I care about the most.  It’s hard to tell her everything is going to be OK when I don’t know that it will.  She’s a different person now, and I feel I’ve been robbed of love by this disease of Chrohn’s.     If anyone out there has a loved one, or any advice they could give me on how I can support her and help her fight this disease, I would appreciate it.  She is a weak person by nature, and now with this disease, she is fighting for her life.  She is letting this disease take control of her life and mental attitude and I feel I need to step in and fight it for her. Please please if anyone can help me and give me some advice, I would truly appreciate it.  Thanks for your time… -Mingo Gonzales San Antonio, TX

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Nuse ants to meet people for fun. Please, no freaks or liars. I will see

straight through you. I can travel with a bit of notice. I love sex with men and have tried once with a couple. What you see is what you get and of course, I don’t bite (Well! not much). Send me some pics and we shall see!! My profile, pictures and contact info are at

http://www.Sexetera.com/Default.asp?AFL=SWNG – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Love Carrie Hi, Carrie. I am Steve. Currently, I am constantly coughing up this thick yellow-green phlegm, and I am liable to break out in a sudden coughing spasm at any time and cough right in your face. But I assure you that I am not contagious. If this turns you on, perhaps we could get to know each other better. — Steven D. Litvintchouk "I guess I could have paid a little closer attention when I was in English class, but it all worked out OK.  I’m gainfully employed."      – President George W. Bush

Response:

Wow you know how to turn a girl on….grrrrrrrrrr.:o) — We are each of us angels with only one  wing, and we can only fly by embracing each other." – Luciano Decrescenzo

Nuse ants to meet people for fun. Please, no freaks or liars. I will see

straight through you. I can travel with a bit of notice. I love sex with men and have tried once with a couple. What you see is what you get and of course, I don’t bite (Well! not much). Send me some pics and we shall see!! My profile, pictures and contact info are at

http://www.Sexetera.com/Default.asp?AFL=SWNG – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Love Carrie Hi, Carrie. I am Steve. Currently, I am constantly coughing up this thick yellow-green phlegm, and I am liable to break out in a sudden coughing spasm at any time and cough right in your face. But I assure you that I am not contagious. If this turns you on, perhaps we could get to know each other better. — Steven D. Litvintchouk "I guess I could have paid a little closer attention when I was in English class, but it all worked out OK.  I’m gainfully employed."      – President George W. Bush

Response:

Nuse ants to meet people for fun. Please, no freaks or liars. I will see straight through you. I can travel with a bit of notice. I love sex with men and have tried once with a couple. What you see is what you get and of course, I don’t bite (Well! not much). Send me some pics and we shall see!! My profile, pictures and contact info are at http://www.Sexetera.com/Default.asp?AFL=SWNG Love Carrie

Hi, Carrie. I am Steve. Currently, I am constantly coughing up this thick yellow-green phlegm, and I am liable to break out in a sudden coughing spasm at any time and cough right in your face. But I assure you that I am not contagious. If this turns you on, perhaps we could get to know each other better. — Steven D. Litvintchouk                   "I guess I could have paid a little closer attention when I was in English class, but it all worked out OK.  I’m gainfully employed."      – President George W. Bush

Response:

Yeh and he’s making me hungry! Signature To Chat With A LIVE Sales Person { NOW ! } Click On The Box To The Right Add the HumanClick "Click to Chat" button to your own e-mails for free at www.humanclick.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wow you know how to turn a girl on….grrrrrrrrrr.:o) — We are each of us angels with only one  wing, and we can only fly by embracing each other." – Luciano Decrescenzo Nuse ants to meet people for fun. Please, no freaks or liars. I will see straight through you. I can travel with a bit of notice. I love sex with men and have tried once with a couple. What you see is what you get and of course, I don’t bite (Well! not much). Send me some pics and we shall see!! My profile, pictures and contact info are at http://www.Sexetera.com/Default.asp?AFL=SWNG Love Carrie Hi, Carrie. I am Steve. Currently, I am constantly coughing up this thick yellow-green phlegm, and I am liable to break out in a sudden coughing spasm at any time and cough right in your face. But I assure you that I am not contagious. If this turns you on, perhaps we could get to know each other better. — Steven D. Litvintchouk "I guess I could have paid a little closer attention when I was in English class, but it all worked out OK.  I’m gainfully employed."      – President George W. Bush

Response:

Hi group(ies), well I guess it beats wall to wall Wimbledon were having to endure on Brit TV right now, tho’ their is a grave danger I may be making love to my fist if i keep browsing. And, guess what ? Well I have also got Ulcerative Colitis, and guess who has turned up on the alt.support, chrohns.colitis, yep you’ve got it, so Carrie I too can give lots of gungy yellow/green phlegm and also, which may tuirn you on more, loads of blood streaked crap Have a good day all, back to Wimbers, oh, I forgot to get my strawberries and ice cream Kind Regards William Some enchanted evening, you may see a stranger, but not before i see youAnon

Nuse ants to meet people for fun. Please, no freaks or liars. I will see

straight through you. I can travel with a bit of notice. I love sex with men and have tried once with a couple. What you see is what you get and of course, I don’t bite (Well! not much). Send me some pics and we shall see!! My profile, pictures and contact info are at

http://www.Sexetera.com/Default.asp?AFL=SWNG – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Love Carrie Hi, Carrie. I am Steve. Currently, I am constantly coughing up this thick yellow-green phlegm, and I am liable to break out in a sudden coughing spasm at any time and cough right in your face. But I assure you that I am not contagious. If this turns you on, perhaps we could get to know each other better. — Steven D. Litvintchouk "I guess I could have paid a little closer attention when I was in English class, but it all worked out OK.  I’m gainfully employed."      – President George W. Bush

Response:

Wow you know how to turn a girl on….grrrrrrrrrr.:o) — We are each of us angels with only one  wing, and we can only fly by embracing each other." – Luciano Decrescenzo

Nuse ants to meet people for fun. Please, no freaks or liars. I will see

straight through you. I can travel with a bit of notice. I love sex with men and have tried once with a couple. What you see is what you get and of course, I don’t bite (Well! not much). Send me some pics and we shall see!! My profile, pictures and contact info are at

http://www.Sexetera.com/Default.asp?AFL=SWNG – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Love Carrie Hi, Carrie. I am Steve. Currently, I am constantly coughing up this thick yellow-green phlegm, and I am liable to break out in a sudden coughing spasm at any time and cough right in your face. But I assure you that I am not contagious. If this turns you on, perhaps we could get to know each other better. — Steven D. Litvintchouk "I guess I could have paid a little closer attention when I was in English class, but it all worked out OK.  I’m gainfully employed."      – President George W. Bush

Response:

Nuse ants to meet people for fun. Please, no freaks or liars. I will see straight through you. I can travel with a bit of notice. I love sex with men and have tried once with a couple. What you see is what you get and of course, I don’t bite (Well! not much). Send me some pics and we shall see!! My profile, pictures and contact info are at http://www.Sexetera.com/Default.asp?AFL=SWNG Love Carrie

Hi, Carrie. I am Steve. Currently, I am constantly coughing up this thick yellow-green phlegm, and I am liable to break out in a sudden coughing spasm at any time and cough right in your face. But I assure you that I am not contagious. If this turns you on, perhaps we could get to know each other better. — Steven D. Litvintchouk                   "I guess I could have paid a little closer attention when I was in English class, but it all worked out OK.  I’m gainfully employed."      – President George W. Bush

Response:

Hi Carrie!

Question:

Hi group(ies), well I guess it beats wall to wall Wimbledon were having to endure on Brit TV right now, tho’ their is a grave danger I may be making love to my fist if i keep browsing. And, guess what ? Well I have also got Ulcerative Colitis, and guess who has turned up on the alt.support, chrohns.colitis, yep you’ve got it, so Carrie I too can give lots of gungy yellow/green phlegm and also, which may tuirn you on more, loads of blood streaked crap Have a good day all, back to Wimbers, oh, I forgot to get my strawberries and ice cream Kind Regards William Some enchanted evening, you may see a stranger, but not before i see youAnon

Nuse ants to meet people for fun. Please, no freaks or liars. I will see

straight through you. I can travel with a bit of notice. I love sex with men and have tried once with a couple. What you see is what you get and of course, I don’t bite (Well! not much). Send me some pics and we shall see!! My profile, pictures and contact info are at

http://www.Sexetera.com/Default.asp?AFL=SWNG – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Love Carrie Hi, Carrie. I am Steve. Currently, I am constantly coughing up this thick yellow-green phlegm, and I am liable to break out in a sudden coughing spasm at any time and cough right in your face. But I assure you that I am not contagious. If this turns you on, perhaps we could get to know each other better. — Steven D. Litvintchouk "I guess I could have paid a little closer attention when I was in English class, but it all worked out OK.  I’m gainfully employed."      – President George W. Bush

Response:

Yeh and he’s making me hungry! Signature To Chat With A LIVE Sales Person { NOW ! } Click On The Box To The Right Add the HumanClick "Click to Chat" button to your own e-mails for free at www.humanclick.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wow you know how to turn a girl on….grrrrrrrrrr.:o) — We are each of us angels with only one  wing, and we can only fly by embracing each other." – Luciano Decrescenzo Nuse ants to meet people for fun. Please, no freaks or liars. I will see straight through you. I can travel with a bit of notice. I love sex with men and have tried once with a couple. What you see is what you get and of course, I don’t bite (Well! not much). Send me some pics and we shall see!! My profile, pictures and contact info are at http://www.Sexetera.com/Default.asp?AFL=SWNG Love Carrie Hi, Carrie. I am Steve. Currently, I am constantly coughing up this thick yellow-green phlegm, and I am liable to break out in a sudden coughing spasm at any time and cough right in your face. But I assure you that I am not contagious. If this turns you on, perhaps we could get to know each other better. — Steven D. Litvintchouk "I guess I could have paid a little closer attention when I was in English class, but it all worked out OK.  I’m gainfully employed."      – President George W. Bush

Response:

Wow you know how to turn a girl on….grrrrrrrrrr.:o) — We are each of us angels with only one  wing, and we can only fly by embracing each other." – Luciano Decrescenzo

Nuse ants to meet people for fun. Please, no freaks or liars. I will see

straight through you. I can travel with a bit of notice. I love sex with men and have tried once with a couple. What you see is what you get and of course, I don’t bite (Well! not much). Send me some pics and we shall see!! My profile, pictures and contact info are at

http://www.Sexetera.com/Default.asp?AFL=SWNG – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Love Carrie Hi, Carrie. I am Steve. Currently, I am constantly coughing up this thick yellow-green phlegm, and I am liable to break out in a sudden coughing spasm at any time and cough right in your face. But I assure you that I am not contagious. If this turns you on, perhaps we could get to know each other better. — Steven D. Litvintchouk "I guess I could have paid a little closer attention when I was in English class, but it all worked out OK.  I’m gainfully employed."      – President George W. Bush

Response:

Nuse ants to meet people for fun. Please, no freaks or liars. I will see straight through you. I can travel with a bit of notice. I love sex with men and have tried once with a couple. What you see is what you get and of course, I don’t bite (Well! not much). Send me some pics and we shall see!! My profile, pictures and contact info are at http://www.Sexetera.com/Default.asp?AFL=SWNG Love Carrie

Hi, Carrie. I am Steve. Currently, I am constantly coughing up this thick yellow-green phlegm, and I am liable to break out in a sudden coughing spasm at any time and cough right in your face. But I assure you that I am not contagious. If this turns you on, perhaps we could get to know each other better. — Steven D. Litvintchouk                   "I guess I could have paid a little closer attention when I was in English class, but it all worked out OK.  I’m gainfully employed."      – President George W. Bush

Response:

Hi Carrie!

Question:

Hi group(ies), well I guess it beats wall to wall Wimbledon were having to endure on Brit TV right now, tho’ their is a grave danger I may be making love to my fist if i keep browsing. And, guess what ? Well I have also got Ulcerative Colitis, and guess who has turned up on the alt.support, chrohns.colitis, yep you’ve got it, so Carrie I too can give lots of gungy yellow/green phlegm and also, which may tuirn you on more, loads of blood streaked crap Have a good day all, back to Wimbers, oh, I forgot to get my strawberries and ice cream Kind Regards William Some enchanted evening, you may see a stranger, but not before i see youAnon

Nuse ants to meet people for fun. Please, no freaks or liars. I will see

straight through you. I can travel with a bit of notice. I love sex with men and have tried once with a couple. What you see is what you get and of course, I don’t bite (Well! not much). Send me some pics and we shall see!! My profile, pictures and contact info are at

http://www.Sexetera.com/Default.asp?AFL=SWNG – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Love Carrie Hi, Carrie. I am Steve. Currently, I am constantly coughing up this thick yellow-green phlegm, and I am liable to break out in a sudden coughing spasm at any time and cough right in your face. But I assure you that I am not contagious. If this turns you on, perhaps we could get to know each other better. — Steven D. Litvintchouk "I guess I could have paid a little closer attention when I was in English class, but it all worked out OK.  I’m gainfully employed."      – President George W. Bush

Response:

Yeh and he’s making me hungry! Signature To Chat With A LIVE Sales Person { NOW ! } Click On The Box To The Right Add the HumanClick "Click to Chat" button to your own e-mails for free at www.humanclick.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wow you know how to turn a girl on….grrrrrrrrrr.:o) — We are each of us angels with only one  wing, and we can only fly by embracing each other." – Luciano Decrescenzo Nuse ants to meet people for fun. Please, no freaks or liars. I will see straight through you. I can travel with a bit of notice. I love sex with men and have tried once with a couple. What you see is what you get and of course, I don’t bite (Well! not much). Send me some pics and we shall see!! My profile, pictures and contact info are at http://www.Sexetera.com/Default.asp?AFL=SWNG Love Carrie Hi, Carrie. I am Steve. Currently, I am constantly coughing up this thick yellow-green phlegm, and I am liable to break out in a sudden coughing spasm at any time and cough right in your face. But I assure you that I am not contagious. If this turns you on, perhaps we could get to know each other better. — Steven D. Litvintchouk "I guess I could have paid a little closer attention when I was in English class, but it all worked out OK.  I’m gainfully employed."      – President George W. Bush

Response:

Wow you know how to turn a girl on….grrrrrrrrrr.:o) — We are each of us angels with only one  wing, and we can only fly by embracing each other." – Luciano Decrescenzo

Nuse ants to meet people for fun. Please, no freaks or liars. I will see

straight through you. I can travel with a bit of notice. I love sex with men and have tried once with a couple. What you see is what you get and of course, I don’t bite (Well! not much). Send me some pics and we shall see!! My profile, pictures and contact info are at

http://www.Sexetera.com/Default.asp?AFL=SWNG – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Love Carrie Hi, Carrie. I am Steve. Currently, I am constantly coughing up this thick yellow-green phlegm, and I am liable to break out in a sudden coughing spasm at any time and cough right in your face. But I assure you that I am not contagious. If this turns you on, perhaps we could get to know each other better. — Steven D. Litvintchouk "I guess I could have paid a little closer attention when I was in English class, but it all worked out OK.  I’m gainfully employed."      – President George W. Bush

Response:

Nuse ants to meet people for fun. Please, no freaks or liars. I will see straight through you. I can travel with a bit of notice. I love sex with men and have tried once with a couple. What you see is what you get and of course, I don’t bite (Well! not much). Send me some pics and we shall see!! My profile, pictures and contact info are at http://www.Sexetera.com/Default.asp?AFL=SWNG Love Carrie

Hi, Carrie. I am Steve. Currently, I am constantly coughing up this thick yellow-green phlegm, and I am liable to break out in a sudden coughing spasm at any time and cough right in your face. But I assure you that I am not contagious. If this turns you on, perhaps we could get to know each other better. — Steven D. Litvintchouk                   "I guess I could have paid a little closer attention when I was in English class, but it all worked out OK.  I’m gainfully employed."      – President George W. Bush

Response:

Quick poll: Age at ostomy & reason

Question:

39 yrs. old at age of ostomy…Crohn’s Disease for 15 yrs. Susan

Response:

46 years at ostomy   ulcerative colits for 10 years. Gerald "bch m8" <dc…@webtv.net

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39 yrs. old at age of ostomy…Crohn’s Disease for 15 yrs. Susan

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48 years old at ostomy.  UC for 6 years. Vince

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28 years old and UC for 4 years Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing – Helen Keller

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62—C.D.  GERRYD34

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22years old, ideopathic mega-colon — TedC

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51 years old at age of colostomy…rectal cancer. Jim — James A. Rice Cache, Oklahoma Co-manager colon cancer discussion list http://LISTSERV.ACOR.ORG/ARCHIVES/COLON.html Stage II rectal cancer survivor dx’d June 1997

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56 years old when the ostomy was done;  for cancer of the bladder… PcolaPhil "Remember:  If you win the rat race, you’re still a rat."          –? ? "bch m8" <dc…@webtv.net

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47 y.o. at ileostomy, U.C. for 23 years. Jim/Chicago I’m not young enough to know everything. — J.M.Barrie

Response:

32……..chrohns since 19…..illeostomy……spent the day at the pool….OUCH!! too much sun!! bch m8 wrote in message

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39 yrs. old at age of ostomy…Crohn’s Disease for 15 yrs. Susan

Response:

34 years old and CD. I hemmorhaged due to non treatment, after 13 years of successful treatment I ws in a new town, the doc refused to beleive the Hopkins diagnosis and refused to treat at all! — Pearl. L pearle…@hotmail.com "Paul Miller" <paul…@aol.comnojunk

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28 years old and UC for 4 years Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing – Helen Keller

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25 yrs. old at time of ileostomy. UC for 4 yrs…73 now… Everything was diagnosed UC in those days …. Crohn’s was not yet being diagnosed…my pathology reports look like Crohn’s tho…and the fact that 34 in of small bowl was removed also makes it look that way.  Jane  

Response:

32……..chrohns since 19…..illeostomy……spent the day at the pool….OUCH!! too much sun!!

hey, i’m a  32, crohn’s since 19, ileostomy, too!  (i got my sunburn at a phillie’s game, tho).   how old are you now? Lauren! (take out the "nojunk" to reply) beer drinking, sax playing, baseball junkie on a rampage … beware!

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Age 22 after 17 years of UC – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -dc…@webtv.net (bch m8) wrote:

39 yrs. old at age of ostomy…Crohn’s Disease for 15 yrs. Susan

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29 yrs old when I got my ileostomy……ulcerative colitis…..big time!!! An Ostomy Is For Living!!! "bch m8" <dc…@webtv.net

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39 yrs. old at age of ostomy…Crohn’s Disease for 15 yrs. Susan

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42…….CD diagnosed for 12 years            eMi

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21 years old at age of ostomy (am 32 now), had been sick with Crohn’s since age 12. Rene "bch m8" <dc…@webtv.net

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39 yrs. old at age of ostomy…Crohn’s Disease for 15 yrs. Susan

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 3 yrs. old at age of ostomy…Spina Bifida  -Mike

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47 at  ileostomy 4/94, was told UC, then crohns, then both,  now still crohns carol

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23 years of age at ostomy time, due to "steroid incalcitrant Crohns colitis" as my doc put it… ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Samuel Ferrier CD Class of ‘97                             Ileostomate since ‘99 http://users.bigpond.net.au/sferrier ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Response:

Ted – is there something more than the megacolon that made them do an ostomy?  Or do you have a MACE?  My daughter (6) has Megacolon and colonic inertia.  Her GI has mentioned doing a MACE stoma.  I am wondering if her megacolon will get so bad that we have to do it anyway.  Right now we are doing NG tubes with Go-Lytely. "Ted C" <ted.coult…@remove.ntlworld.com

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22years old, ideopathic mega-colon — TedC

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Age 30 — ileostomy — CD (My mom was age 48 — ileostomy — UC.  Had hers 2 yrs b4 I had mine). Jeanine

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24 years old at ostomy. Acute UC for 19 days. Is this a record? Hans

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23 at first temp ileostomy & j-pouch — UC for 6 years 26 at jejunostomy (short bowel) for acute gut-killing adhesions – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -bch m8 wrote:

39 yrs. old at age of ostomy…Crohn’s Disease for 15 yrs. Susan

Response:

26 yrs. old at time of colostomy …..radiation damage for cancer of cervix 43 yrs. old at time of urostomy……..same thing ~~~~Pat

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