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AA! If this player had 30 previous attacks while involved with football, why was he still playing? Maybe he liked the game.  Maybe he was good at it and it was his way of paying for a Big Ten college education.

this is important…it may have been his big chance in life…you HAVE to go with things like that otherwise you end up living a life of questions and regrets — eric "live fast, die only if strictly necessary"

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Hey Sheldon! Yesterday was my first msg to asa.  Today, after reading you flame away, I feel right at home. I know, I know, you didn’t flame the newbie, you flamed the guy who seemed to be agreeing with the newbie. Breathing easier w/ a whiff of homesyle brimstone, – Pat – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Eric Jarvis writes: (max smoke and heavy stuff, snipped)

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Sad.  My condolences to his family and his teammates. — Steven D. Litvintchouk

My son is NEVER EVER EVER going to play football.

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It was actually a bit refreshing! Things get dull around here, sometimes. Boyd — "The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity." (Ellen Parr- author)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Sheldon! Yesterday was my first msg to asa.  Today, after reading you flame away, I feel right at home. I know, I know, you didn’t flame the newbie, you flamed the guy who seemed to be agreeing with the newbie. Breathing easier w/ a whiff of homesyle brimstone, – Pat Eric Jarvis writes: (max smoke and heavy stuff, snipped)

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Hi.  I read this ng regularly and post occasionally.  I just left my daughter, a severe steroid dependent asthmatic in Arizona. We are from TX. She is on the gymnastics team at the university there. The first thing I did was make sure she had a good asthma Dr. He was very thorough and I was impressed. His first priority for her was to go to Nat’l Jewish(he trained there). I know she won’t do that right now. He had other ideas as well which I only hope she will follow up on. The coaches are aware of her asthma. This level of athletes are driven..they drive themselves.  I worry because she has the attitude of "I have been through this before and I made it, I will be okay this time. I had to pick her up from a club workout a couple of months ago and she was a little frightened and said " I thought I was going to die". Fortunately her Dr. was 5 min away and they got it resolved.  I am sure now that she feels as though she can push the limits a little farther and be okay.  All I can do is pray(after making sure others are aware). I even told her roommate to make her go to the Dr. if she couldn’t breathe. I know she has to learn to make these choices…I won’t always be there.  I guess the point I am trying to make is that although we have to live our lives, we become too comfortable with the way things are and don’t realize asthma is a very tricky, unpredictable disease. I am hopeful for her because when she went to the Dr. on her 2nd day in AZ her lung functions were low. After being there 1 week, they had improved greatly, so we are hoping the climate will be good for her.

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You only discover your limitations after you attempt to push the envelope.  THAT’S life.

Well said! Patrice

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writes – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If this player had 30 previous attacks while involved with football, why was he still playing? Even if he didn’t have good sense, somebody should have. There’s a story in the _San Jose Mercury News_ today about a San Jose State University football player who had to have part of his leg amputated due to an injury.  Now he’s try to return to playing football with a prosthesis, and the newspaper has written this quest up as if it were heroic.  Why doesn’t somebody come out and speak the truth about this incident, namely, his quest to return to football isn’t heroic, it’s stupid! I have to say I agree with this–but I think we get the message so strongly that handicaps, injuries, impairments, and lack of talent aren’t *really* barriers that a lot of people take it to heart.  "I can overcome this!" is the message of hundreds of movies, where it is shown that there is no problem too big to conquer.  And that’s conquer by *plowing through* rather than finding alternatives. I know I’ve gotten the message that I’m a wimp or that I lack courage or willpower because there are places and activities I avoid–ie, houses where cats live, and strenuous outdoor activity during grass pollen season.  The feeling is very strong, somehow, that a limitation is all in your head, and if you just have the fortitude to "overcome" it, then it will go away. Unfortunately, this isn’t entirely the case.  The tragic story under discussion suggests that the young football player’s asthma wasn’t under good control, and it’s likely that he was pushing himself hard.  It’s a shame.  :-(

It might also indicate that his coach doesn’t know much about asthma and delayed calling help too long – which might only be 10 or 15 minutes. zg

– Five Cats

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Yes, but to each her/his own. Perhaps that genuinely is what that young man wanted…..let’s not judge his choices. That is unfair. Denise Indianapolis USA – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Until last October (when I was promoted) I was an asthmatic who was also a tank commander on an M1A1 Abrams main battle tank.  Should I have decided that because I have asthma I should have quit? I would have to say no, don’t let asthma control your life.  OTOH, you may want to periodically re-evaluate what a reasonable goal for you is based on the reality of your physical condition. When I was 18 and trashed out my knee, I thought, "No Appalachian Trail thru-hiking for me!"  I was very depressed, since hiking the whole Appalachian Trail was at that time very important to me.  Now I’m 39 and I still go hiking all the time, but I go very slowly downhill and don’t carry too much weight.  Next Friday night my boyfriend the asthmatic and I will go backpacking to watch the Perseid meteor showers.  The route we’re going on is completely easy, and serious backpackers would scorn it.  So what?  They may hike more vertical feet than us, but I bet they don’t have a better time! So my thought about the football players is, they should consider that there are other important matters in life besides football — and hiking.  Trying to do an activity that is truly inappropriate for you (as football is for an amputee) will only lead to further injury and misery.  As a person who suffered a serious orthopedic injury, I’m glad I can still walk without a cane.  As a childhood asthmatic who nearly died on many occasions, I’m glad to be nearly symptom-free as an adult.  I try to focus on what I *can* do (nearly everything) rather than obsessing about what I cannot. — (650) 236-2231 [daytime] http://www.wsrcc.com/alison/ The real puzzle of thermodynamics is not why entropy always increases with time, but why it was ever so low in the first place.  – H. Price

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AA! If this player had 30 previous attacks while involved with football, why was he still playing?

Maybe he liked the game.  Maybe he was good at it and it was his way of paying for a Big Ten college education. Even if he didn’t have good sense, somebody should have. Many people cannot do everything they want to do, because of physical limitations, but hey, that’s life. He should not have been playing football! Boyd —

You decide how to live Boyd’s life.  I decide how to live Pat’s life.  Rashidi decided how to live Rashidi’s life.  There is a symmetry in being adults. KS! – Pat

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Until last October (when I was promoted) I was an asthmatic who was also a tank commander on an M1A1 Abrams main battle tank.  Should I have decided that because I have asthma I should have quit?

I would have to say no, don’t let asthma control your life.  OTOH, you may want to periodically re-evaluate what a reasonable goal for you is based on the reality of your physical condition. When I was 18 and trashed out my knee, I thought, "No Appalachian Trail thru-hiking for me!"  I was very depressed, since hiking the whole Appalachian Trail was at that time very important to me.  Now I’m 39 and I still go hiking all the time, but I go very slowly downhill and don’t carry too much weight.  Next Friday night my boyfriend the asthmatic and I will go backpacking to watch the Perseid meteor showers.  The route we’re going on is completely easy, and serious backpackers would scorn it.  So what?  They may hike more vertical feet than us, but I bet they don’t have a better time! So my thought about the football players is, they should consider that there are other important matters in life besides football — and hiking.  Trying to do an activity that is truly inappropriate for you (as football is for an amputee) will only lead to further injury and misery.  As a person who suffered a serious orthopedic injury, I’m glad I can still walk without a cane.  As a childhood asthmatic who nearly died on many occasions, I’m glad to be nearly symptom-free as an adult.  I try to focus on what I *can* do (nearly everything) rather than obsessing about what I cannot. — (650) 236-2231 [daytime]        http://www.wsrcc.com/alison/ The real puzzle of thermodynamics is not why entropy always increases with time, but why it was ever so low in the first place.  – H. Price

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If this player had 30 previous attacks while involved with football, why was he still playing? Even if he didn’t have good sense, somebody should have. Many people cannot do everything they want to do, because of physical limitations, but hey, that’s life. He should not have been playing football!

He should have been better prepared and maintained better control of his asthma.  He had a life to live and he was going to live it – letting asthma control our lives is giving in to the disease. Until last October (when I was promoted) I was an asthmatic who was also a tank commander on an M1A1 Abrams main battle tank.  Should I have decided that because I have asthma I should have quit? "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits." Einstein

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If this player had 30 previous attacks while involved with football, why was he still playing? Even if he didn’t have good sense, somebody should have. There’s a story in the _San Jose Mercury News_ today about a San Jose State University football player who had to have part of his leg amputated due to an injury.  Now he’s try to return to playing football with a prosthesis, and the newspaper has written this quest up as if it were heroic.  Why doesn’t somebody come out and speak the truth about this incident, namely, his quest to return to football isn’t heroic, it’s stupid!

I have to say I agree with this–but I think we get the message so strongly that handicaps, injuries, impairments, and lack of talent aren’t *really* barriers that a lot of people take it to heart.  "I can overcome this!" is the message of hundreds of movies, where it is shown that there is no problem too big to conquer.  And that’s conquer by *plowing through* rather than finding alternatives. I know I’ve gotten the message that I’m a wimp or that I lack courage or willpower because there are places and activities I avoid–ie, houses where cats live, and strenuous outdoor activity during grass pollen season.  The feeling is very strong, somehow, that a limitation is all in your head, and if you just have the fortitude to "overcome" it, then it will go away. Unfortunately, this isn’t entirely the case.  The tragic story under discussion suggests that the young football player’s asthma wasn’t under good control, and it’s likely that he was pushing himself hard.  It’s a shame.  :-( zg

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If this player had 30 previous attacks while involved with football, why was he still playing? Even if he didn’t have good sense, somebody should have. Many people cannot do everything they want to do, because of physical limitations, but hey, that’s life. He should not have been playing football!

There have been several Olympic athletes who have brought home medals despite being asthmatic. And Teddy Roosevelt led the Rough Riders up San Juan Hill despite suffering from severe asthma. You only discover your limitations after you attempt to push the envelope.  THAT’S life. — Steven D. Litvintchouk                   Disclaimer:  As far as I am aware, the opinions expressed herein             are not those of my employer.

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If this player had 30 previous attacks while involved with football, why was he still playing? Even if he didn’t have good sense, somebody should have.

There’s a story in the _San Jose Mercury News_ today about a San Jose State University football player who had to have part of his leg amputated due to an injury.  Now he’s try to return to playing football with a prosthesis, and the newspaper has written this quest up as if it were heroic.  Why doesn’t somebody come out and speak the truth about this incident, namely, his quest to return to football isn’t heroic, it’s stupid!  Most people who have played active sports learn to live with their limitations, be they asthma or injuries.  The acceptance of limitations is the key to trouble-free enjoyment.  Both this football player (Neil Parry) and his parents need psychiatric help. — (650) 236-2231 [daytime]        http://www.wsrcc.com/alison/ The real puzzle of thermodynamics is not why entropy always increases with time, but why it was ever so low in the first place.  – H. Price

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If this player had 30 previous attacks while involved with football, why was he still playing? Even if he didn’t have good sense, somebody should have. Many people cannot do everything they want to do, because of physical limitations, but hey, that’s life. He should not have been playing football! Boyd — "The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity." (Ellen Parr- author)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "EVANSTON, Ill. — The breathing problems that forced Rashidi Wheeler out of a conditioning drill didn’t seem to be any different from the 30 other asthma attacks he’d had while playing football the past three years. "But the Northwestern safety was never able to catch his breath Friday afternoon and later died.  Bronchial asthma was the preliminary cause of death, the Cook County coroner’s office ruled Saturday. "’I didn’t want to wake up this morning,’ said Northwestern coach Randy Walker, still fighting back tears and trying to control his emotions Saturday afternoon…. "Though Wheeler had an inhaler with him, he couldn’t catch his breath. He eventually stopped breathing, and didn’t respond to CPR from the coaching staff or paramedics. He died about an hour later at Evanston Hospital…." http://www.sportsline.com/u/ce/multi/0,1329,4159392_56,00.html Sad.  My condolences to his family and his teammates. — Steven D. Litvintchouk

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Heart breaking. Denise Indianapolis

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "EVANSTON, Ill. — The breathing problems that forced Rashidi Wheeler out of a conditioning drill didn’t seem to be any different from the 30 other asthma attacks he’d had while playing football the past three years. "But the Northwestern safety was never able to catch his breath Friday afternoon and later died.  Bronchial asthma was the preliminary cause of death, the Cook County coroner’s office ruled Saturday. "’I didn’t want to wake up this morning,’ said Northwestern coach Randy Walker, still fighting back tears and trying to control his emotions Saturday afternoon…. "Though Wheeler had an inhaler with him, he couldn’t catch his breath. He eventually stopped breathing, and didn’t respond to CPR from the coaching staff or paramedics. He died about an hour later at Evanston Hospital…." http://www.sportsline.com/u/ce/multi/0,1329,4159392_56,00.html Sad.  My condolences to his family and his teammates. — Steven D. Litvintchouk

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"EVANSTON, Ill. — The breathing problems that forced Rashidi Wheeler out of a conditioning drill didn’t seem to be any different from the 30 other asthma attacks he’d had while playing football the past three years. "But the Northwestern safety was never able to catch his breath Friday afternoon and later died.  Bronchial asthma was the preliminary cause of death, the Cook County coroner’s office ruled Saturday. "’I didn’t want to wake up this morning,’ said Northwestern coach Randy Walker, still fighting back tears and trying to control his emotions Saturday afternoon…. "Though Wheeler had an inhaler with him, he couldn’t catch his breath. He eventually stopped breathing, and didn’t respond to CPR from the coaching staff or paramedics. He died about an hour later at Evanston Hospital…." http://www.sportsline.com/u/ce/multi/0,1329,4159392_56,00.html Sad.  My condolences to his family and his teammates. — Steven D. Litvintchouk                  

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