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Pauly,  Come on? the placebo effect?  If that was the case then the zovirax would have worked also.  Don’t get me wrong, it is ok.  But doesn’t compare to the DMSO and H202.  At least for me.  

I know it is very difficult at first to deal with all the problems which Herpes seems to cause in your life, but don’t knock the concept of life changes and the placebo effect or the newfound weight within your wallet.  There are many who will be willing to take your money and put your health at risk.  Are you saying that liver problems are an acceptable option for having less outbreaks when there are products and other options which are proven safe for long term use?  Also, I am not comparing HIV to herpes.  I am just merely saying, if what I read is true about HIV being undetected in this athlete by oxygenating the body.  You would think it would have to work for herpes because herpes is nothing compared to HIV.  

hmmmm.  By this comparison then, it will cure every disease as none are as bad as HIV by comparison?   Have you read the book, "A cure for all Diseases?"  I talked to a guy that makes the zappers using Dr. Clarks formula.  Yes, I even bought one.  They guy, Don, I forget his last name at the moment also had herpes.  Hasn’t had an OB in years.  Yes, it could be coincidence but I doubt it.  I have two other online friends who are using the same techniques and none of us have had an OB.  I don’t watch what I eat, I don’t stay out of the sun, I don’t take vitamins or supplements, I just do what I want to do.  I used to have approx. 3-4 outbreaks a year.  So far since April of 1998 I haven’t had a one.     I think oxygenation of the body is safe.  You just have to know what you are doing.  The 35% H202 can be extremely dangerous if you don’t know what you are doing.  With atmospheric oxygen decreasing from 35% to less than 20% no wonder disease of all sorts is on the rise.  Take a look at Cancer for example.

What are the long term effects?  Having read the book makes one an expert on how to inject substances into your body?  Anyway, I believe there is a cure for everything.  Maybe herpes can’t be cured with oxygen, but there is a cure out there.  I am just not that kind of person to sit back and accept that I have herpes, take my zovirax and go to bed. That is just not me.  I will fight this virus until the day comes that I test negative on the Western Blot or I die.

This sounds very drastic, Amber.  Do you really wish to die trying to cure your Herpes? I don’t think you quite meant to put it that way, did you?  I can deal with the fact that I have herpes, but cannot accept it as being a part of me.  If that makes sense. Oh well, enough rambling.  I could go on forever.

There is no cure at this time for Herpes.  That in itself is more distressing to those with Herpes than the actual diagnosis or sympoms. Everyone learns to deal with Herpes in their own way. I had Herpes for over 10 years and thought that I had learned how to deal with Herpes merely because I was living with it.  I had never, ever confronted my feelings about Herpes and faced my fears until I had therapy and joined a support group. I now have truly learned to live and love myself in spite of having Herpes.  That in itself healed me, but it also resulted in an incredible reduction of outbreaks. There have been many studies done about antivirals and how to kill the virus, but there have been few studies which have shown that the virus can be controlled by learning to live with it.   I will continue to tout the effectiveness of destressing and lifestyle changes and yes, learning to love yourself with Herpes.   Pauly – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Amber

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Pauly,  Come on? the placebo effect?  If that was the case then the zovirax would have worked also.  Don’t get me wrong, it is ok.  But doesn’t compare to the DMSO and H202.  At least for me.   I know it is very difficult at first to deal with all the problems which Herpes seems to cause in your life, but don’t knock the concept of life changes and the placebo effect or the newfound weight within your wallet.  There are many who will be willing to take your money

Pauly is very right here….placebo effects is going to be of use in the handling of a virus that responses to stress…they can be very potent (down to being next to no use) and are a factor often ignored..this is where the whole ‘he’s got a nice bedside manner’, now whether it actually helps or merely allows the patient to ingore symptoms can be hashed back and forth, but when stress itself is a trigger then the two arguements merge….digging out my citation files we display this….one example of what people are trying to do with it…..note what they consider the three important factors…and imagine how many treatments have happened where one or other breaks down. Authors   Benson H.  Friedman R. Title   Harnessing the power of the placebo effect and renaming it ‘Remembered   wellness’. Source   Annual Review of Medicine. Vol 47 (pp 193-199), 1996. Abstract   The placebo effect yields beneficial clinical results in 60-90% of   diseases that include angina pectoris, bronchial asthma, herpes simplex,   and duodenal ulcer. Three components bring forth the placebo effect: (a)   positive beliefs and expectations on the part of the patient; (b) positive   beliefs and expectations on the part of the physician or health care   professional; and (c) a good relationship between the two parties. Because   of the heavily negative connotations of the very words ‘placebo effect’,   the term should be replaced by ‘remembered wellness.’ Remembered wellness   has been one of medicine’s most potent assets and it should not be   belittled or ridiculed. Unlike most other treatments, it is safe and   inexpensive and has withstood the test of time. Tim When playing rugby, its not the winning that counts, but the taking apart ICQ: 5178568

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Hi Amber.. I’ve recently been infected with our little friend. Still struggling to deal with the emotional backlash, but I’ve been working really hard at researching the different atl ttreatments that are availible. I’ve got the "never an outbreak" book and I think it’s working or at least helping. What is this "zapper" that you mention and what’s the author’s name of the book "A cure for all diseases"? Just curious and hoping that you can provide more info. Thanks!

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"A Cure For All Diseases" by Hulda Clark.  I highly recommend this book to all of us who suffer from any sort of disease.  I also suggest going to www.amazon.com and reading what others have said about this book. www.barnesandnobles.com also sells this book which may arrive sooner, last I knew amazon was on backorder. Amber

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Hello Amber,     If you wish to use electrical pulses, I suggest that you investigate Microcurrent devices, that use current strengths in the milliamperage range. They are quite effective at drying up the sores and reducing the pain.  Some of the other device may be too strong.         David – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello,   I have bought the book, "Never An Outbreak"  and have used some of his methods.  I mix H202  3% content with the DMSO.  I believe that is the only kind you can put on your skin without it burning.  You can use the 35% but you HAVE to dilute it.  It will burn your skin on contact.  The 6% is the one that they use to bleach hair.  I don’t know much about that content.  But I have had success so far.  Some in here will say it is just a coincidence, which it maybe.  I also have the zapper along with the book,  "A cure for all diseases".  I love it.   A friend of mine was telling me something about a Magnetic Pulser that is supposed to be even more effective than the zapper.  I am waiting for a response from him to find out more info about it though.  I usually don’t post in here too often because the people here usually slam these techiques without even trying them.  I, myself am willing to try anything to keep this virus away.  So if you want you can email me if I don’t respond. I haven’t been doing these techniques for very long (less than a year) but so far, no outbreaks.   BTW, I picked up a book called, "Be A Loser" by Greer Childers.  It is a weight loss book using oxygen techniques.  On Page 52, it states that a very famous athlete in our country went through 2 years of oxygen therapy.  They have found for the first time ever that the HIV virus is undetectable in this man.    Is she talking about Magic Johnson?  I am not sure she didn’t state a name, but, if this is true.  Oxygen can get rid of HIV, why can’t it get rid of herpes?? Amber

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<snip  BTW, I picked up a book called, "Be A Loser" by Greer Childers.  It is a weight loss book using oxygen techniques.  On Page 52, it states that a very famous athlete in our country went through 2 years of oxygen therapy.  They have found for the first time ever that the HIV virus is undetectable in this man.    Is she talking about Magic Johnson?  I am not sure she didn’t state a name, but, if this is true.  Oxygen can get rid of HIV, why can’t it get rid of herpes??

And, in addition to Pauly’s comments…this part of Amber’s post I list above is ludicrous.  To read one book, who’s author hints that some "famous athlete in our country" may or may not have been "cured" of HIV and then surmise that it was Magic Johnson and since this treatment works for HIV it will work for HSV is totally inaccurate.  Totally! If Magic Johnson, the most well known HIV positive person on the planet, had been cured it would be front page news–FRONT PAGE.  And the folks responsible for the treatment would be rich beyond their wildest dreams simply from the speaking engagements, let alone book sales, etc.  "Hint" that it’s Magic? Yeah, right! Please, everyone–be cautious with your self-treatments.  Each of us certainly has the right to treat our herpes with whatever means we find necessary–even if the methods *are* unproven, untested, and the side-effects unknown.  But by posting here, we are also suggesting like treatment to others–and if the product has not been fully tested…there could be side effects that crop up years from now that COULD be more of a problem than herpes itself.  Always try to keep this stuff in mind when searching for alternatives please. Just–be careful out there everyone! -G

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Amber, You have my interest peaked in the book" A Cure for All Diseases".  Would you let me know who the author is and where I could obtain a copy?  Incidentally I just started the hydrogen peroxide and DMSO therapy program.  I am like you, I accept Herpes however, I am going to fight it till the day I die.  I also believe there is some kind of cure out there – whether it be one to permanently suppress it forever or better of course eradicate it.  Please let me know the info on the book.  Thanks. Deb

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 Pauly,   Come on? the placebo effect?  If that was the case then the zovirax would have worked also.  Don’t get me wrong, it is ok.  But doesn’t compare to the DMSO and H202.  At least for me.     Also, I am not comparing HIV to herpes.  I am just merely saying, if what I read is true about HIV being undetected in this athlete by oxygenating the body.  You would think it would have to work for herpes because herpes is nothing compared to HIV.      Have you read the book, "A cure for all Diseases?"  I talked to a guy that makes the zappers using Dr. Clarks formula.  Yes, I even bought one.  They guy, Don, I forget his last name at the moment also had herpes.  Hasn’t had an OB in years.  Yes, it could be coincidence but I doubt it.  I have two other online friends who are using the same techniques and none of us have had an OB.  I don’t watch what I eat, I don’t stay out of the sun, I don’t take vitamins or supplements, I just do what I want to do.  I used to have approx. 3-4 outbreaks a year.  So far since April of 1998 I haven’t had a one.      I think oxygenation of the body is safe.  You just have to know what you are doing.  The 35% H202 can be extremely dangerous if you don’t know what you are doing.  With atmospheric oxygen decreasing from 35% to less than 20% no wonder disease of all sorts is on the rise.  Take a look at Cancer for example.     Anyway, I believe there is a cure for everything.  Maybe herpes can’t be cured with oxygen, but there is a cure out there.  I am just not that kind of person to sit back and accept that I have herpes, take my zovirax and go to bed. That is just not me.  I will fight this virus until the day comes that I test negative on the Western Blot or I die.  I can deal with the fact that I have herpes, but cannot accept it as being a part of me.  If that makes sense. Oh well, enough rambling.  I could go on forever. Amber

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Hello,   I have bought the book, "Never An Outbreak"  and have used some of his methods.  I mix H202  3% content with the DMSO.  I believe that is the only kind you can put on your skin without it burning.  You can use the 35% but you HAVE to dilute it.  It will burn your skin on contact.  The 6% is the one that they use to bleach hair.  I don’t know much about that content.  But I have had success so far.  Some in here will say it is just a coincidence, which it maybe.  I also have the zapper along with the book,  "A cure for all diseases".  I love it.   A friend of mine was telling me something about a Magnetic Pulser that is supposed to be even more effective than the zapper.  I am waiting for a response from him to find out more info about it though.  I usually don’t post in here too often because the people here usually slam these techiques without even trying them.  I, myself am willing to try anything to keep this virus away.  So if you want you can email me if I don’t respond. I haven’t been doing these techniques for very long (less than a year) but so far, no outbreaks.     BTW, I picked up a book called, "Be A Loser" by Greer Childers.  It is a weight loss book using oxygen techniques.  On Page 52, it states that a very famous athlete in our country went through 2 years of oxygen therapy.  They have found for the first time ever that the HIV virus is undetectable in this man.    Is she talking about Magic Johnson?  I am not sure she didn’t state a name, but, if this is true.  Oxygen can get rid of HIV, why can’t it get rid of herpes?? Amber

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello,  I have bought the book, "Never An Outbreak"  and have used some of his methods.  I mix H202  3% content with the DMSO.  I believe that is the only kind you can put on your skin without it burning.  You can use the 35% but you HAVE to dilute it.  It will burn your skin on contact.  The 6% is the one that they use to bleach hair.  I don’t know much about that content.  But I have had success so far.  Some in here will say it is just a coincidence, which it maybe.  I also have the zapper along with the book,  "A cure for all diseases". I love it.   A friend of mine was telling me something about a Magnetic Pulser that is supposed to be even more effective than the zapper.  I am waiting for a response from him to find out more info about it though.  I usually don’t post in here too often because the people here usually slam these techiques without even trying them.  I, myself am willing to try anything to keep this virus away.  So if you want you can email me if I don’t respond. I haven’t been doing these techniques for very long (less than a year) but so far, no outbreaks.    BTW, I picked up a book called, "Be A Loser" by Greer Childers.  It is a weight loss book using oxygen techniques.  On Page 52, it states that a very famous athlete in our country went through 2 years of oxygen therapy.  They have found for the first time ever that the HIV virus is undetectable in this man.    Is she talking about Magic Johnson?  I am not sure she didn’t state a name, but, if this is true.  Oxygen can get rid of HIV, why can’t it get rid of herpes?? Amber

Ummmm, I think that some things are slammed because they just are plain dangerous. The placebo effect is often a great healer…consider meditation and humour.  Try  those before injecting or subjecting the body to chemicals that can cause damage to the liver or future problems that could be MUCH worse than Herpes.  If they are tried and true, have no harmful side effects and are not ridiculously expensive, than by all means try it, but please be careful! BTW, HIV  kills, so many are trying dangerous therapies to try to halt it.   Having Herpes cannot be placed in that same category.   Pauly

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Yep.  I’ve had maybe 20 – 25 COMPLETELY herpe free days (no scabs, no aftereffects) in the last 5 months.  My immune system has always been good. I Rarely get colds or flu.  But my immune system seems to be having a helluva time with this virus.  I can’t figure it out.  I exercise regularly, eat healthy, sleep plenty, and don’t drink or do any drugs. I wanted to try suppressive therapy until I found out how expensive it is.

Wow…a real drag.  Same thing happened to me except for some reason I had a 3 month gap between my primary in August 97 and my next outbreak in Nov.  Then, they started coming closer together and lasting longer, even with the meds (Acyclovir).  Finally on Feb 1st of this year I had had enough of back to backs so I went on suppression.  I found the cheapest Acyclovir at Costco (a membership type warehouse club)… about $86.00 for 90 800mg tabs.  I take 400mg x2 per day for suppression and the only outbreaks I’ve had since then have been 3 little small ones (lasted about 3-4 days total) that I can almost directly relate to forgetting to take a day or 2’s meds (DUH! . Otherwise, I’m health as a horse, immune system wise and almost never get the colds and flu that everyone else catches… go figure! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How many different places are you experiencing outbreaks? I’m just wondering because, from the posts here, I’d guess that most folks have a tendancy to have outbreaks in the same area? I have about 5 different places that I get the sores.  It seems to be cyclical, and rotates throughout these 5 areas like clockwork.      So far, I have used the zinc/dmso therapy on 4 out of the 5 areas.  I guess I was a little bit premature in saying that it has stopped the outbreaks in the other areas.      But the sores WERE lasting for about a week in each spot, but with the zinc/dmso, the sores are scabbed over in about 12 hours.  So the outbreak is only itchy/painful for 1 day, as opposed to a week before I started it.

I’ve got 2 different areas so far…but no ‘clockwork’ predictive ability-lol. I’m more random I think.  :( How do you think it’s effecting the dormant virus in your ganglia waiting to replicate? Well the DMSO carries the zinc quite deeply.  I realize that the nerve endings that the virus hides in can extend quite far.  But one thing that is

Yeah, like clear down to the ganglia where they hide, untouched.  At least that’s my take on what happens.  The virus replicates from the ganglia, and the original virus is still there…still safe… still untouched.  To kill the virus there, you’d have to kill the cells–and I’ve been led to believe that’s not a good thing with nerve cells (unless of course you wanna loose feeling, motion, etc. forever…). good with the zinc/dmso therapy is that it traps zinc molecules beneath the skin, and they slowly dissolve/break down over a period of time (not sure how long). Theoretically, when the virus tries to re-emerge, the zinc will still be there to deactivate the virus, and no prodromes will appear.  Hopefully this will be enough of a boost/help for the immune system that it can kill more of the latent virus, and thus create longer periods of remission. This is just my theory right now.

Yeah, very interested in how it goes for you!  So are many others that read here! Keep us posted over the coming months and let us know how it’s going, could you? I will.  I am currently having an outbreak, in the 5th and final area. Hopefully the virus won’t pop up again in the original spot where I’ve used the zinc/dmso therapy.      Even if it does, I am convinced that the zinc plays a key role in reducing the duration of the outbreak.

That "I am convinced" statement is very important.  I’ve long felt that the mind plays an important role in issues of all types–health included. Other applications for DMSO that I am thinking of is to crush up the acyclovir tablets and mix them with DMSO and apply it to sores.  Even if it has no direct effect on the virus physically, it does get into the blood stream with the DMSO,  meaning more of it may be active in the body since it bypasses the digestive tract where some of the drug is deactivated.

I don’t know enough about how meds get into the system but sometimes they RELY on going through the digestive tract in order to be converted to whatever they need to be in order to work.  Make sure this isn’t the case with this med, okay?   Anyone here know enough about this to advise? All this sounds interesting and worth the efforts.  Let us know how it’s going.  Oh, do you know the type of virus you have?  Sounds like it should be HSV2, since it’s causing so much trouble…but has that been confirmed through testing?  And have you ever had a problem with oral herpes before?  Or do you know if you have it also or not? Hang in there! -G

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What "junk" is carried in with DMSO if the skin is clean? Also, I’m using the "purified" kind found in health food stores, not the pet store cleaning solvent kind (I know its the same chemical; I don’t know what it actually means to be "purified"). I don’t know what concentration of hydrogen peroxide he used, but I can find out and post it. I would be very careful with high potencies, though. I have another friend who permanently damaged his nervous system because he put something like 200% H202 on a tumor (close to the top of his spine) during surgery. Oops! He doesn’t walk anymore. Heard of zapping? Check out Hulda Clark’s "Zapper" which evidently kills all viruses in the body. Her book "The Cure for All Diseases" (ProMotion Publishing, 800-231-1776) explains her research and is most fascinating. There also is Bob Beck’s "Plant Growth Stimulator", a similar theory but different approach. I’ve used both. There are lots of versions out there. I don’t have an address, so you’ll have to do a search on the net, where there’s pages and pages of info. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just a word of caution with DMSO (dimethylsulfoxide) it is a very powerful chemical that was used as an industrial cleaning agent. But, in the 70s was used as a carrier agent for drugs applied topically to the skin. Anything mixed with DMSO or found on the skin will be transfered directly into the bloodstream along with a lot of junk. Be clean if you use it. It had a lot of uses, in sports, in alternative medicine, in circuit board production, etc.. But just be aware if you use it. Vic These guys claim that oxygenation is the basis for a cure: http://www.neveranoutbreak.com/index.html They advocate hydrogen peroxide injections and other ingested oxygen sources (which they also sell, wouldn’t you know) to add free oxygen radicals to the body. I have read that free radicals (primarily unpaired oxygen molecules) are implicated in causing at least some forms of cancer and also accelerating the aging process. This makes me question this particular claim to a "cure" as being potentially more deleterious (or deadly) than the herpes. Applying a topical solution to the sacral area sounds dubious to me, but I’d be willing to try it and let you know what happens. What is DMSO? and what concentration of H2O2 did the person use? Drugstore hydrogen peroxide is usually 3%. It will kill the virus on contact and does help heal surface lesions. It also seems to have some residual activity after the water evaporates. This could result from oxygen saturating the skin tissue in the area of application. I’ve heard of someone who mixed DMSO and hydrogen peroxide (I think a higher concentration of it than what you usually get at the grocery store) and applied it topically to their sacrum, since the herpes virus lives in the base of the spinal column. Evidently they have not had an outbreak since then. Anyone else have any information on this? Also, any info on DMSO topically for dissolving scar tissue? Michelle at — Surf Usenet at home, on the road, and by email — always at Talkway. http://www.talkway.com

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have to say that, from what I know about zinc, it makes sense to me that this would work. DMSO, as Tim pointed out, is a useful chemical for delivery of whatever chemical it’s combined with, and zinc has been clinically proven to be a topical antiseptic and, perhaps, antiviral. There are these zinc lozenges called Cold-Eze which were clinically proven to cut the life-span of the common cold in half. I saw that on the mews last winter (so did everybody else, and suddenly all the drugstores were sucked dry of Cold-Eze!!!), but I’ve been using zinc lozenges for years to stave off sore throats. They really work- and I have to admit that Cold-Eze are *extremely* effective. It stands to reason that zinc would be effective against other bacterial/viral infections, if you can apply it directly to the affected area. Yeah, this makes sense to me. I wonder where I can find some? I mean, I still love my Tea Tree oil, but can always use more weapons in my arsenal!!! A

I won’t comment on the DMSO aspect of the above. I have real doubts about it. However, I can vouch for zinc oxide ointment as a topical. This is the same stuff that has been used for years for diaper rash, poison ivy, etc.. It is about 20% zinc oxide in a base of mineral oil, beeswax and white petrolatum. There is the problem of what it comes in contact with (clothing), and the issue of accidental herpes transfer. My outbreaks are nearly exclusively located on my scrotum. I have developed a couple of techniques that work for me. Rather than go into it here; if anyone is interested in the details, they can E-mail me and I will go into it. Chuck

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I’ve heard of someone who mixed DMSO and hydrogen peroxide (I think a higher concentration of it than what you usually get at the grocery store) and applied it topically to their sacrum, since the herpes virus lives in the base of the spinal column. Evidently they have not had an outbreak since then. Anyone else have any information on this? Also, any info on DMSO topically for dissolving scar tissue? Michelle at

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These guys claim that oxygenation is the basis for a cure: http://www.neveranoutbreak.com/index.html They advocate hydrogen peroxide injections and other ingested oxygen sources (which they also sell, wouldn’t you know) to add free oxygen radicals to the body. I have read that free radicals (primarily unpaired oxygen molecules) are implicated in causing at least some forms of cancer and also accelerating the aging process. This makes me question this particular claim to a "cure" as being potentially more deleterious (or deadly) than the herpes. Applying a topical solution to the sacral area sounds dubious to me, but I’d be willing to try it and let you know what happens. What is DMSO? and what concentration of H2O2 did the person use? Drugstore hydrogen peroxide is usually 3%. It will kill the virus on contact and does help heal surface lesions. It also seems to have some residual activity after the water evaporates. This could result from oxygen saturating the skin tissue in the area of application. I’ve heard of someone who mixed DMSO and hydrogen peroxide (I think a higher concentration of it than what you usually get at the grocery store) and applied it topically to their sacrum, since the herpes virus lives in the base of the spinal column. Evidently they have not had an outbreak since then. Anyone else have any information on this? Also, any info on DMSO topically for dissolving scar tissue? Michelle at

– Surf Usenet at home, on the road, and by email — always at Talkway. http://www.talkway.com

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Just a word of caution with DMSO (dimethylsulfoxide) it is a very powerful chemical that was used as an industrial cleaning agent. But, in the 70s was used as a carrier agent for drugs applied topically to the skin. Anything mixed with DMSO or found on the skin will be transfered directly into the bloodstream along with a lot of junk. Be clean if you use it. It had a lot of uses, in sports, in alternative medicine, in circuit board production, etc.. But just be aware if you use it. Vic – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – These guys claim that oxygenation is the basis for a cure: http://www.neveranoutbreak.com/index.html They advocate hydrogen peroxide injections and other ingested oxygen sources (which they also sell, wouldn’t you know) to add free oxygen radicals to the body. I have read that free radicals (primarily unpaired oxygen molecules) are implicated in causing at least some forms of cancer and also accelerating the aging process. This makes me question this particular claim to a "cure" as being potentially more deleterious (or deadly) than the herpes. Applying a topical solution to the sacral area sounds dubious to me, but I’d be willing to try it and let you know what happens. What is DMSO? and what concentration of H2O2 did the person use? Drugstore hydrogen peroxide is usually 3%. It will kill the virus on contact and does help heal surface lesions. It also seems to have some residual activity after the water evaporates. This could result from oxygen saturating the skin tissue in the area of application. I’ve heard of someone who mixed DMSO and hydrogen peroxide (I think a higher concentration of it than what you usually get at the grocery store) and applied it topically to their sacrum, since the herpes virus lives in the base of the spinal column. Evidently they have not had an outbreak since then. Anyone else have any information on this? Also, any info on DMSO topically for dissolving scar tissue? Michelle at — Surf Usenet at home, on the road, and by email — always at Talkway. http://www.talkway.com

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Yeah, like clear down to the ganglia where they hide, untouched.  At least that’s my take on what happens.  The virus replicates from the ganglia, and the original virus is still there…still safe… still untouched.  To kill the virus there, you’d have to kill the cells–and I’ve been led to believe that’s not a good thing with nerve cells (unless of course you wanna loose feeling, motion, etc. forever…).

I wonder how far back the virus actually retreats?  I read somewhere that it can go all the way back to your spinal cord.  But, if there is always a buffer of zinc trapped beneath the skin where the virus likes to peak through, it should ward off any visible signs of an outbreak.  In theory of course. That "I am convinced" statement is very important.  I’ve long felt that the mind plays an important role in issues of all types–health included.

True.  There is a lot to be said for placebo effect.  BUT, I started out trying the DMSO and H2O2 therapy that so many people are talking about, and I had a good feeling it was going to work after reading all the testimonials on the "never an outbreak" website, but I found that it had no real effect on the sores.  However, when I tried the zinc with DMSO, my sore healed in a day.  I thought it might have been fluke, but it has worked on subsequent outbreaks. Other applications for DMSO that I am thinking of is to crush up the acyclovir tablets and mix them with DMSO and apply it to sores.  Even if it has no direct effect on the virus physically, it does get into the blood stream with the DMSO,  meaning more of it may be active in the body since it bypasses the digestive tract where some of the drug is deactivated. I don’t know enough about how meds get into the system but sometimes they RELY on going through the digestive tract in order to be converted to whatever they need to be in order to work.  Make sure this isn’t the case with this med, okay?

True, the meds are manipulated somewhat to make them orally active, but even orally active meds will work intravenously (or transdermally, as the case may be).  BUT, not all IV/IM/SubQ meds will work orally. All this sounds interesting and worth the efforts.  Let us know how it’s going.  Oh, do you know the type of virus you have?  Sounds like it should be HSV2, since it’s causing so much trouble…but has that been confirmed through testing?  And have you ever had a problem with oral herpes before?  Or do you know if you have it also or not?

Yes, it’s HSV2.  I have had HSV1 sores on my cheeks, but they are not recurrent.  I also have HPV!  And I am applying the zinc/dmso to that affected area but having no real success.  I think I’ll go back to Duofilm for that.

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I have to say that, from what I know about zinc, it makes sense to me that this would work. DMSO, as Tim pointed out, is a useful chemical for delivery of whatever chemical it’s combined with, and zinc has been clinically proven to be a topical antiseptic and, perhaps, antiviral. There are these zinc lozenges called Cold-Eze which were clinically proven to cut the life-span of the common cold in half. I saw that on the mews last winter (so did everybody else, and suddenly all the drugstores were sucked dry of Cold-Eze!!!), but I’ve been using zinc lozenges for years to stave off sore throats. They really work- and I have to admit that Cold-Eze are *extremely* effective. It stands to reason that zinc would be effective against other bacterial/viral infections, if you can apply it directly to the affected area. Yeah, this makes sense to me. I wonder where I can find some? I mean, I still love my Tea Tree oil, but can always use more weapons in my arsenal!!! A – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip I wonder how far back the virus actually retreats?  I read somewhere that it can go all the way back to your spinal cord.  But, if there is always a buffer of zinc trapped beneath the skin where the virus likes to peak through, it should ward off any visible signs of an outbreak.  In theory of course. <snip So then, in theory, maybe that’s why you are experiencing alternate sites for your outbreaks?  When the virus replicates and wants to head for the surface, it’s gonna head for the surface through another avenue? Cause it’s surface bound REGARDLESS of how it gets there?  Just wondering.  But it would explain one of the complaints I saw in a NG somewhere (sorry, can’t remember where as it was in August of 97 when I was first diagnosed and frantically searching for ANY info).  In that complaint a guy was griping because for 5 or more years he had had his outbreaks at one particular location (on his penis) and he tried some kinda DMSO therapy (I seriously doubt it was zink and DMSO–but can’t remember all the details) and all of a sudden his outbreak point switched to the buttocks area.  That may be good for some, but he was unable to work because of it–he’s a truckdriver and couldn’t sit down during an outbreak. Really messed him up. I remember this one cause I thought… no… I wanna know where my outbreaks are gonna be (if possible!)… and if I mess with this, I might change things more than they should be changed. Anyway, just some thoughts on all this from a person who’s never tried this method, but is still interested in your experiences. Hang in there -G

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<snip I wonder how far back the virus actually retreats?  I read somewhere that it can go all the way back to your spinal cord.  But, if there is always a buffer of zinc trapped beneath the skin where the virus likes to peak through, it should ward off any visible signs of an outbreak.  In theory of course.

<snip So then, in theory, maybe that’s why you are experiencing alternate sites for your outbreaks?  When the virus replicates and wants to head for the surface, it’s gonna head for the surface through another avenue? Cause it’s surface bound REGARDLESS of how it gets there?  Just wondering.  But it would explain one of the complaints I saw in a NG somewhere (sorry, can’t remember where as it was in August of 97 when I was first diagnosed and frantically searching for ANY info).  In that complaint a guy was griping because for 5 or more years he had had his outbreaks at one particular location (on his penis) and he tried some kinda DMSO therapy (I seriously doubt it was zink and DMSO–but can’t remember all the details) and all of a sudden his outbreak point switched to the buttocks area.  That may be good for some, but he was unable to work because of it–he’s a truckdriver and couldn’t sit down during an outbreak. Really messed him up. I remember this one cause I thought… no… I wanna know where my outbreaks are gonna be (if possible!)… and if I mess with this, I might change things more than they should be changed. Anyway, just some thoughts on all this from a person who’s never tried this method, but is still interested in your experiences. Hang in there -G

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Having read the antiviral effects of zinc, I decided to try applying just zinc to my sores.  It sped up the healing somewhat, but it wasn’t until I crushed up zinc tablets and mixed them with liquid DMSO that I noticed a dramatic increase in recovery time.  The zinc is carried into the skin by the DMSO which is a transdermal carrier, where it can do its work on the virus that is hiding below the surface of the skin. I started doing this about a month ago, and every spot where I have had an outbreak and used this application, no sores have reappeared there.  I continue to have outbreaks in new areas, but hopefully I will soon see a dramatic reduction in the number of outbreaks as I cover more areas.  I am not trying to sell anything, just trying to provide relief for others with this horrible virus.  You can get DMSO from www.DMSO.com or gaines nutrition (www.gaines.com I think)…and the zinc tablets are available at all health food stores. Hey Pipes! Thanks for the post.  How long have you had herpes?

Going on 5 months. And also, how many outbreaks are you having per month, anyway?  It sounds like bunches and bunches from your post.

Yep.  I’ve had maybe 20 – 25 COMPLETELY herpe free days (no scabs, no aftereffects) in the last 5 months.  My immune system has always been good. I Rarely get colds or flu.  But my immune system seems to be having a helluva time with this virus.  I can’t figure it out.  I exercise regularly, eat healthy, sleep plenty, and don’t drink or do any drugs. I wanted to try suppressive therapy until I found out how expensive it is. How many different places are you experiencing outbreaks? I’m just wondering because, from the posts here, I’d guess that most folks have a tendancy to have outbreaks in the same area?

I have about 5 different places that I get the sores.  It seems to be cyclical, and rotates throughout these 5 areas like clockwork.  So far, I have used the zinc/dmso therapy on 4 out of the 5 areas.  I guess I was a little bit premature in saying that it has stopped the outbreaks in the other areas.  But the sores WERE lasting for about a week in each spot, but with the zinc/dmso, the sores are scabbed over in about 12 hours.  So the outbreak is only itchy/painful for 1 day, as opposed to a week before I started it. How do you think it’s effecting the dormant virus in your ganglia waiting to replicate?

Well the DMSO carries the zinc quite deeply.  I realize that the nerve endings that the virus hides in can extend quite far.  But one thing that is good with the zinc/dmso therapy is that it traps zinc molecules beneath the skin, and they slowly dissolve/break down over a period of time (not sure how long). Theoretically, when the virus tries to re-emerge, the zinc will still be there to deactivate the virus, and no prodromes will appear.  Hopefully this will be enough of a boost/help for the immune system that it can kill more of the latent virus, and thus create longer periods of remission.  This is just my theory right now. Keep us posted over the coming months and let us know how it’s going, could you?

I will.  I am currently having an outbreak, in the 5th and final area. Hopefully the virus won’t pop up again in the original spot where I’ve used the zinc/dmso therapy.  Even if it does, I am convinced that the zinc plays a key role in reducing the duration of the outbreak. Other applications for DMSO that I am thinking of is to crush up the acyclovir tablets and mix them with DMSO and apply it to sores.  Even if it has no direct effect on the virus physically, it does get into the blood stream with the DMSO,  meaning more of it may be active in the body since it bypasses the digestive tract where some of the drug is deactivated.

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To Pipes: What form of the DMSO are you using?  I checked the website you recommended, and DMSO is available in several forms  (gel, liquid).  What do you recommend. I’d like to try some.   S.  ;-)

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Having read the antiviral effects of zinc, I decided to try applying just zinc to my sores.  It sped up the healing somewhat, but it wasn’t until I crushed up zinc tablets and mixed them with liquid DMSO that I noticed a dramatic increase in recovery time.  The zinc is carried into the skin by the DMSO which is a transdermal carrier, where it can do its work on the virus that is hiding below the surface of the skin. I started doing this about a month ago, and every spot where I have had an outbreak and used this application, no sores have reappeared there.  I continue to have outbreaks in new areas, but hopefully I will soon see a dramatic reduction in the number of outbreaks as I cover more areas.  I am not trying to sell anything, just trying to provide relief for others with this horrible virus.  You can get DMSO from www.DMSO.com or gaines nutrition (www.gaines.com I think)…and the zinc tablets are available at all health food stores.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Having read the antiviral effects of zinc, I decided to try applying just zinc to my sores.  It sped up the healing somewhat, but it wasn’t until I crushed up zinc tablets and mixed them with liquid DMSO that I noticed a dramatic increase in recovery time.  The zinc is carried into the skin by the DMSO which is a transdermal carrier, where it can do its work on the virus that is hiding below the surface of the skin. I started doing this about a month ago, and every spot where I have had an outbreak and used this application, no sores have reappeared there.  I continue to have outbreaks in new areas, but hopefully I will soon see a dramatic reduction in the number of outbreaks as I cover more areas.  I am not trying to sell anything, just trying to provide relief for others with this horrible virus.  You can get DMSO from www.DMSO.com or gaines nutrition (www.gaines.com I think)…and the zinc tablets are available at all health food stores.

Hey Pipes! Thanks for the post.  How long have you had herpes?  And also, how many outbreaks are you having per month, anyway?  It sounds like bunches and bunches from your post.  How many different places are you experiencing outbreaks?  I’m just wondering because, from the posts here, I’d guess that most folks have a tendancy to have outbreaks in the same area?  How do you think it’s effecting the dormant virus in your ganglia waiting to replicate?  From what I gather it would have to have some effect on the this in order for you to see a "dramatic reduction in the number of outbreaks" you’re shooting for.  I’m not sure that effecting "the virus that is hiding below the surface of the skin" will do much to eliminate future outbreaks–as that’s not where they start from anyway. Keep us posted over the coming months and let us know how it’s going, could you? -G

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To Pipes: What form of the DMSO are you using?  I checked the website you recommended, and DMSO is available in several forms  (gel, liquid).  What do you recommend. I’d like to try some. S.  ;-)

I prefer the 99.9 percent liquid.  The gel just doesn’t seem to penetrate the skin as well (plus it’s not as pure as the liquid).  When you are mixing the zinc with the DMSO, be sure to crush up the tablets into a very fine powder, and add only enough DMSO to make a paste.  When you have the paste, apply it to the sores and let it dry, then leave it there for as long as possible (until it all wears off), and reapply if the sores have not scabbed over.  I found that the sores are are scabbed over within 12 hours with this method. I usually apply it before I go to sleep, and when I wake up, NO MORE PAIN! yay.

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To Pipes: What form of the DMSO are you using?  I checked the website you recommended, and DMSO is available in several forms  (gel, liquid).  What do you recommend. I’d like to try some. S.  ;-)

I prefer the 99.9 percent liquid.  The gel just doesn’t seem to penetrate the skin as well (plus it’s not as pure as the liquid).  When you are mixing the zinc with the DMSO, be sure to crush up the tablets into a very fine powder, and add only enough DMSO to make a paste.  When you have the paste, apply it to the sores and let it dry, then leave it there for as long as possible (until it all wears off), and reapply if the sores have not scabbed over.  I found that the sores are are scabbed over within 12 hours with this method. I usually apply it before I go to sleep, and when I wake up, NO MORE PAIN! yay. -Eric

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